posted 28 June 2002 03:02 PM            

1.) Facial Features. The eyes are rounder,bigger and cheek bones higher

2.) The Hair. Richer, blacker and without the need to dye.

3.) Skin color is naurally tanned

4.) Derriere. Firmer and Higher

5.) Femininity. Egyptian behave and act more like woman more so than their western counterparts.

6.) Sensuous. Definitely more intimate when alone with her

7.) Loyality. Egyptian babes when dating someone they give you their all and there eyes
almost always never wander looking for something better,different and whatever

8.) Forbidden Fruit.

9.) Much more interesting in conversation and not always in to the latest fad.

10.) Economical. Ask your Egyptian girlfriend where she would like to go,
9 times out of 10 she will say "your place"

11.) Style. An Egyptian babe with one of those sleeve less dresses patterned with tiny
flowers on it with a G-string underneath is a Lord Have Mercy Site.

12.) Hygene. Egyptian babes always shower before and after.

13.) Supportive. If an Egyptian Babe loves you, your heart should be at ease
because you have someone who will stand by you no matter what.

14.) Fun. They are up for anything as long as they are home on time.

posted 28 June 2002 09:58 PM            

Catatom...Yes 1.2.3.4 are turn-ons but isn't looks and being satisfied with your partner very important. Attractiveness
is part of a relationship. Call me superficial, immature or whatever but looks go a long way in a healthy relationship.

5...now this point is experience from dating many women. It's how they act and talk and it's how
they play the role of women perfectly. There isn't a gray area with them. There isn't a debate or anything
to prove when when it comes to Egyptian Babes and sexuality. They know their role as women and master it.
While some western women many times always feel like they have to prove something. All i'm saying that it is
more natural for Egyptian women to be themselves there isn't any pressure on them from society to make them
cross over into male territory. A women is a women and a man is a man. It's clear cut. Call me old fashioned
but it's very appealing to many guys like me.

6...This point i can not get into detail. I don't want to stir more controversey because the nature of this
point is pleasure between two ppl.

7...This point is shared by me and some of my friends some single, some married to Egyptians and some
who were divorced so this is a consesus.

8...Forbidden Fruit is an Egyptian Babe and knowing it is Forbidden for her to be with you because she is
a muslim is such an incredible turn-on and an aphrodisiac.

Yes they are much more interesting in conversation. Have you ever had a conversation with someone in
their native language. It's not like the same talking to them in english. They talk about real life and issues
like politics, the wrong and right and when they talk love. Hhhhhhhh.

Supportive is in their nature they are naturally more caring, they were never brought up with the western
mentality where you are literally on your own.

My present girlfriend lives with her parents so yes she must be home at a certain time. Age has nothing to
do with this. Most females in Egypt live with their parents, that is until they get married

dunes

posted 29 June 2002 01:44 PM            

There are feminine, caring, and loyal woman in every country, with black hair, and nice skin.....
With all my respect to Egyptian Babes, I would mention 1 fact that most of the foreigners are not aware off:

97% of Egyptian girls performed FGM (FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION)......Egyptian women are circumcised, therefore they are sexually dysfunctional. After all, without "klitoris" they can not feel any sexual pleasures, because the organ whose function was to receive and transmit sexual sensations is removed.
Male equivalent of FGM would be cutting off all his genitals. Yet people still say that their Egyptian girls are satisfied and they enjoy sex, yeah right...in fact she feels "nothing", she cant, she is circumcised. This means her sex life is to give, not to receive, THEREFORE (in sexual field )she is basically just "used" by her male to please himself only....and eventually to give birth.

I am not sure who is considered "western woman". Colombia, Brazil, Costa Rica, Venezuela.....I dont consider girls from those countries as "western girls".

posted 30 June 2002 10:16 PM            

Yes some Egyptian females are circumcised. It is practiced here by many people
out of plain ignorance, there is not one reason to justify female gential mutilation.
Not religously because it is forbidden in their religion or any other logical reason.
However your 97% rate is absurd. I take it you came up with that percentage from
a website on the net.

Myself i don't know what percentage is accurate. Now from personal experience
i would say less than 60% are circumcised. Now once again this is from personal
experience. I think my quote is a bit more accurate than say an NGO visting an
upper Egypt village and asking the women there how many of them are circumcised.

As for the ones that are circumcised not being able to climax or feel anything, i beg
to differ. Yes one would have to work more harder to make them climax but it is
very possible if you have the stamina.

posted 01 July 2002 12:10 AM            

IF U COME UP WITH LESS THAN 86% FROM ANY SOURCE IT EXISTS ON THIS PLANET.....SHOW ME.....SO 8 OUT OF 10 ARE SEXUALLY DISFUNCTIONAL, EVEN IF IT IS 6 OUT OF 10, THATS STILL TOO MUCH.
I KNOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SHOCKED TO HEAR THIS, BUT IT IS FACT, AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE A FACT.
DUNES.....NO MATTER HOW MUCH U WANT ME TO BELIVE U THAT CIRCUMCISED WOMAN CAN CLIMAX, BIOLOGICALLY ITS IMPOSSIBLE. ONCE EXTERNAL SEX ORGANS ARE REMOVED ,THE RAW EDGES THEY SEW TOGETHER, ONLY A TINY OPENING IS LEFT 4 URINE AND MENSTRUAL DISCHARGE. THE OPENING IS ENLARGED AFTER THE MARRIAGE TO PERMIT INTERCOURSE, ITS GRADUAL PROCESS THAT IS OFTEN MADE DIFFICULT BY SCAR TISUE FROM THE CIRCUMCISION. TEARING OF SURROUNDING TISSUES ARE COMMON CONSEQUENCES, IT MAKE TAKE 3 MONTHS OR LONGER BE4 THE OPENING IS LARGE ENOUGH TO ALLOW PENETRATION. SHE IS LEFT ONLY WITH INTERNAL SEX ORGANS SUCH AS VAGINA, TUBE, UTERUS ETC. VAGINAL WALLS ARE RICH WITH BLOOD VESSELS BUT POORLY SUPPLIED WITH NERVE ENDINGS, SO SINCE HER EXTERNAL SEX OGANS RESPONSIBLE 4 TRANSMITTING AND RECEIVING SEXUAL SIGNALS ARE REMOVED, VAGINA IS THERE BASICALLY JUST TO CONTAIN MALE SEXUAL ORGAN DURING THE INTERCOURSE AND THROUGH WHICH IS BABY BORN.

And all this make me so sad, that God created a woman with everything she needs to function normally, but unfortunatelly this is what is happening.

I am not Egyptian but I feel 4 woman in any part of this WORLD, and you foreign guys who are dating Egyptian girls should be aware of what are you going into, before u pick up a girl 4 fun or any other kind of relationship.
Dont take advantage, but instead make a difference in somebody's life 4 good, and have compassion 4 woman all over the world, without discriminating and dividing us on nationality or look, because whatever difference you point between Egyptian or Europian girls, you have to remeber that we are all females and we cry in silence when we see our sisters to be treated by a man so insesitively. And 4 all man, dont underestimate the power of "western girl", she can make your life heaven or hell, its really up to her.

Female Genital Mutilation (FGM): About 97% of women who have ever been married, have undergone FGM. 86% of adolescent girls between the ages of 13 and 19 have undergone FGM.
A study conducted in 1995 places the percentage of women who have ever been married who have undergone FGM at 97 percent. In February the Population Council released the results of a 1997 survey of Egyptian adolescents, which found that 86 percent of girls between the ages of 13 and 19 had undergone FGM. FGM generally is performed on girls between the ages of 7 and 10, with equal prevalence among Muslims and Christians.

The Court of Cassation issued a decision in 1997 that upheld the legality of the decree banning FGM issued in 1996 by the Minister of Health and Population Planning. In addition to enforcing the decree, the Government supports a range of efforts to educate the public. The Sheikh of Al-Azhar, the most senior Islamic figure in the country, and the leader of the Coptic Christian community, Pope Shenouda, have stated repeatedly that FGM is not required by religious doctrine.

You know, I dont want to say nothin more, as I become emotional about this issue.
But at least maybe someone will read, and think about it.

posted 01 July 2002 11:41 AM            

Thank you 4 your support in this matter. I really hope 4 same as you.

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Originally posted by MoDoc:
Miss Sarajevo,
Thank you for your very insightful and very well written message.
I hope it makes a difference in some of the readers lives.

Modoc

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posted 01 July 2002 11:42 AM            

It is only through education and empowerment of women to say no that this terrible practice and tradition will stop.

posted 01 July 2002 02:14 PM            

Miss Sarajevo please don't use CAPS it's the equivalent of shouting. Anyway

I wonder how many of you who posted actually Live in Egypt or actually know any women. Nobody is hiding the fact of female circumcision. It is one thing to know the details of the procedure removing the clitoris, etc. But it is another thing to speak on behalf of women who are circumcised and insist that they do not enjoy sex. You say without the clitoris there is no pleasure. Then i guess you also doubt the Grafenberg Spot(G-spot) it's female ejaculation that has nothing to do with the Clitiros.

By the way here is a website regarding females circumcised and their ability to orgasm.
http://www.fgm.org/HLKarticle.html

Now i told you it is very possible but you guys seem hard headed. And like i stated in and earlier post "always feel you need to prove something"

Cairowannabe i never made love to an Egyptian virgin or a Married Egyptian women nor a Divorced Egyptian woman. You should read what you post before you submit it. Please don't speculate.

Girls here have sex and they enjoy it and because some foreign guys get it, that distresses you! And worst yet you speculate what kind of females we date.

Obviously you don't know much about Cairo and what's going on here.

There's two kinds of foreigners in Egypt:

1.) The kind who mixes with the locals and accepts them and is accepted by them. I'm not talking about talking to your gardener or driver. I mean getting in there right in the thick of things.Like Love, Sex, Drama, Friendships, not feeling afraid to go to any part of the City.

and then there's

2.) The kind who keeps to his own and the first thing they do when they get here is look for community centers with people of their own nationality. The same people who make for themselves an island amist true life here. And the same who choose to speculate rather than experience.

Now i take it some of you fall in to #2

posted 01 July 2002 05:10 PM            

Sorry 4 caps, it was not done intentionally.
I am not here to prove anything, maybe your genitals are "pinhole-sized",hahah....just kidding... and u manage to bring circumcised woman to climax....
Imagine MGM (male genital mutilation) removal of all male external genitals. Hard to belive ha? Some women are so easy to convince ,willing to do so many ridiculous things 4 a man, even to risk her life and cut off her external genitals to please himmmmmmmmm, oh my God, wake up.....the man who loves u ....would never ever want u to be hurt and to suffer the consequences and risk your life, the man who loves u would want u to be happy in sex with him, and to be who u are, the way God created you originally, and if you just mention MGM to a man, he would run away....hehe.....YOU THINK HE WOULD DO IT?
NEVERRRRRRRRR. Even if this procedure involves cutting of just half of his male genital,hehe......and how about just 1/3 of his size? How about small kids? Isnt FGM SO CRUEL for a 9 years old innocent angels? Why they put them through so much suffering?
I also have read the article that you provided in posted link. Sorry, FGM does nothing but create sexually dysfunctional female, it causes just pain and suffering, a lots of consequences and takes away female human rights.

1) I know that you dont support FGM,
what makes you so sure that circumcised Egyptian girl is not sexually dysfunctional and can have orgasm KNOWING her external genitals are removed, especialy "clitoris" which function is transmitting and receiving sexual sensations and pleasure, and its equivalent to male sexual organ? This would mean as if somebody says, man without his external genitals is able to orgasm, although all his main genital organ that is needed to receive and transmit sexual pleasure is removed?!
2) Are u saying?...... man has a power in sex to go against anatomy of female sexual organs,and can correct it in some way, how do u replace "clitoris" I am curious to know.
3) Since when "clitoris " is same as G spot?
4)How can circumcised woman tell about orgasm anyway if her external sex organs were removed BEFORE she ever even know what is an orgasm, its done in her early age.
5)How can circumcised girl describe an orgasm AFTER..... if she never exeprienced it WITH ALL her external sex organs....?
6)If FGM is practiced ... to control her sexuality be4 marriage ,and they think "clitoris" is responsible... therefore they are removing it...... how they give her sexuality and "clitoris" back once she is entitled to her sexual life as "married woman"? This leads to conclusion that "married woman"is actually not entitled to her sexuality, because what is taken from her while she was not entitled, she can never get back even if she is entitled. True?

Sexual problems: 1) Frigidity due to dyspareunia, injuries sustained during early intercourse, pelvic infection; 2) Lack of orgasm due to the amputation of the glans clitoris. A study conducted on 651 circumcised Egyptian women showed that their sexual desire was not affected by the procedures, BUT THE ABILITY OF ACHEIVING AN ORGASM was because of the severity of the operation; 3) Coital difficulty or INABILITY to have vaginal intercourse AT ALL, because of stenosis of the vagina,(thats why they engage in "anal sex" just wait until they circumcise her there as well so poor woman would not be able to use toilet....what a human right...u can eat, drink and breath air, but we cut your "clitoris" so its better 4 u Babe, oh my God, where is here "common sense"....so what is than "vagina" for????????); 4) Marital conflicts.

By the way, FGM will make sure she is "virgin", but if she has "anal sex"...before marriage....so whats that? Still virgin? YEAH, just in dreams....So whats than definition of virgin? Obvioulsy FGM does not serve intended purpose, and thats what is happening when u mess with God creation, u see God made a woman with a "clitoris" for a reason. You take away his reason, you mess with God. If a woman wants to mess around she will do it circumcised or not circumcised. You can not really know about female sexual feelings, unless u go into female body and than u may know, so u cant convince any female that when you cut of all external genitals, she can have an orgasm as if she is fully equiped with "klitoris". Certainly u may think u know, but realistically, since u are not female u cant really know how woman experience sex.

I think you are just dissapointed that FGM made many beautiful Egyptain girls sexually disfunctional, and in sex, this greatly dissapoint some males, especially if they fall in love, as they want her lady to be really happy and satisfied, so they are in denial, as it is very painful to accept the fact that a girl may never ever experience orgasm with man she loves. This make man, especially Western man, to feel responsible or even guilty, as they think they can do something about it. I wish, but chances are very low. Sorry Dunes...but I doubt. It not up to woman, its FGM.

posted 01 July 2002 05:10 PM            

hey dolphin may i know where are you from... actually i found it unny that we here don't know what's happening around us...

for the FGM in egypt probably Miss Saraeyo you read that it's 97% in certain villages in upper egypt...but no way 97% in whole egypt.. it means that app. 1050000 are NOT and that's immposible... i'm not saying it's not present but not 97%...
oh boy it means that more than half of the girls of cairo and the beautifal girls of alex. are disfunctional.. make another search and i'll too..

kimo

posted 01 July 2002 05:58 PM            

All I can say is what my Egyptian friend (who lives in Cairo) says to me when I quote something I've read on the internet about Egypt. "Don't believe everything you read".

I have also read about FGM and what I read agrees with Kimo. This procedure is mainly practiced in small villages in Upper Egypt. NOT Major metropolitan areas such as Cairo and Alexandria. And is more common in other parts of Africa.

posted 02 July 2002 12:26 AM            

Miss Sarajevo...I think my topic has created an FGM obsessed maniac(you)
Look when/If you get here i am sure you will meet some Egyptian women and you
will know everything you think you already know from searching and surfing the web.

I wish you the best and no hard feelings.

posted 02 July 2002 02:14 AM            

I dont need your wishes. You will not get any reply from me in the future.

posted 02 July 2002 02:35 PM            

I'll search for them...

posted 04 July 2002 06:46 AM            

while Dani.. i rememeber i read ur story.. and that family was in cairo i guess... if so then need not worry.. with Gods will your daughters will be safe..

posted 07 July 2002 04:58 PM            

Question: how do women who have been FGM'ed give labor? Are they recut open? eew.

posted 07 July 2002 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by norase2000:
I'm a med school student at U of Cairo and I remember talking about fgm at school a couple of times. It happens in small farming villages but practically non existant in the city. It NEVER happens in middle-high class society. But unfortuetly, when it occurs, it occurs in poor, uneducated, farming families. And I'm POSITIVE No ONE, i mean NO ONE, I know has ever been FGm'ed so statistically, the 97% is definetly wrong. But I agree with whoever said that it could be 97% of village inhabitants, bt even that sounds like too high.

Question: how do women who have been FGM'ed give labor? Are they recut open? eew.

--Nora

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posted 09 July 2002 01:10 AM            

Once its done... its done. Cosmetic reasons, probably...

posted 09 July 2002 08:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Debbie:
As it turns out I was at my gynocologists office on Saturday and decided that I bet this guy knows about it.... so I asked him. He is a well known doctor in that field in Cairo as well as his father before him, and he was telling me horror stories about when he was in training and working at a hospital IN CAIRO and how little girls about 9 yrs old would come in bleeding to death from it. You are aware that barbers are the ones that do this to the girls, right? Anyway, he said it is alive and well in CAIRO, unfortunately, and he offered to loan me a book on the subject that he has in his office (I didn't pick it up yet). When I do I'll offer info from it, for what it's worth.

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I was aware that many times this procedure is performed by barbers. I had no idea that
it is so widespread. I have met a few women that have had this forced on them. I can not imagine anything more inhumane.

posted 16 January 2005 07:55 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Miss Sarajevo:
Hi Dunes,

There are feminine, caring, and loyal woman in every country, with black hair, and nice skin.....
With all my respect to Egyptian Babes, I would mention 1 fact that most of the foreigners are not aware off:

97% of Egyptian girls performed FGM (FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION)......Egyptian women are circumcised, therefore they are sexually dysfunctional. After all, without "klitoris" they can not feel any sexual pleasures, because the organ whose function was to receive and transmit sexual sensations is removed.
Male equivalent of FGM would be cutting off all his genitals. Yet people still say that their Egyptian girls are satisfied and they enjoy sex, yeah right...in fact she feels "nothing", she cant, she is circumcised. This means her sex life is to give, not to receive, THEREFORE (in sexual field )she is basically just "used" by her male to please himself only....and eventually to give birth.

I am not sure who is considered "western woman". Colombia, Brazil, Costa Rica, Venezuela.....I dont consider girls from those countries as "western girls".

[This message has been edited by Miss Sarajevo (edited 29 June 2002).]

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posted 16 January 2005 08:41 AM            

Too many familys 'do it' with their girls hidden IN CAIRO!!!
In the 'Balad' it is a simple Habbit and everybody is doing it there with the girls!!!
If anybody doesn't, this means a big big shame, and nobody would even think about to marry that girl later!!!
Even the 'Bauwwaebs' in the town MUST go back to the Balad to do this with their girls, because the relatives are waiting for this celebrated day.
My husband tryed once, because I pleased him, to speak to the bauwwaeb, to change his mind - he told me, that the bauwwaeb self refused it, but he MUST, because of the relatives and familymembers. It is a MUST for them.
What a shame ! They havn't own mind!

And they don't cut only a little skin, nono, they cut out it all, and then they ask theirself, why their wifes are coldblooded!

They do it, to keep the women away from the other sex.
What a nonsense.
They do it, if cut away or not !
It's a matter of islamic understanding and moral growing up between the parents hands.

posted 16 January 2005 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by EFLVirgo:
I know this is a 2 year old thread, but I just couldn't help it. I just want to put one thing straight: Girls from educated middle-class to upper-class families DO NOT undergo FGM.
I personally know hundreds of Egyptian females that haven't been FGMed and are leading active sexual lives with their husbands.

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This is also my belief based on many articles and all I have read about this practice. I do believe it still happens but much less frequently now. My understanding that the reason this was done anyway was to keep the female from having "wondering" eyes and to "help" her remain a virgin until marriage. I disagree with the comments saying the women can still receive sexual pleasure as the "clitoris" requires some sort of stimulation to achieve orgasm. Now this is a fact!!!! If most, or all of it is removed then its impossible. I believe the practice should be banned entirely and no girl or woman of any age should have to go thru this very unneccesary procedure.

posted 16 January 2005 05:33 PM            

He went on to tell me he would never and has never performed such an operation in the 40years he has been a surgeon, despite on rear occasions being asked. In fact he is horrified that the odd case still goes on and has stated most of his operations are repairing girls/women which had been butchered in this and other ways i.e. childbirth. Some baby deliveries in Saudi are carried out by surgeons only to happy to deliver by caeserean because it involves more money, but he says they can be hasty with a knife.

posted 16 January 2005 08:19 PM            

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Originally posted by sin-dee:
This is also my belief based on many articles and all I have read about this practice. I do believe it still happens but much less frequently now. My understanding that the reason this was done anyway was to keep the female from having "wondering" eyes and to "help" her remain a virgin until marriage. I disagree with the comments saying the women can still receive sexual pleasure as the "clitoris" requires some sort of stimulation to achieve orgasm. Now this is a fact!!!! If most, or all of it is removed then its impossible. I believe the practice should be banned entirely and no girl or woman of any age should have to go thru this very unneccesary procedure.

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I agree that FGM's are traditional and not religious, as they have been performed for thousands of years before the 'book' religions throughout Asia and Africa, and many indigenuous African tribes with no connection whatsoever to islam are still practicing circumcisions as a 'right of passage' for both men and women.

However it is NOT a fact that the only way a woman can achieve sexual stimulation is thru the clitoris. All women have an internal and external sex stimulator. The external is the clitoris, and the internal is a spot on the uterine wall, which is called the G-spot. Many women are not aware of their G-spot as it has unfortunately for them, never been stimulated. Experts claim that the male principal must be 'sizable' enough to reach this 'spot' in order to stimulate it. And pardon my frankness, but I don't think Egyptian men have a problem reaching that spot, as may be the case with their European counterparts.

posted 17 January 2005 06:19 AM            

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Originally posted by saeeda:
Sara,
what is the Balad and who is the Bawaab, may you please explain to a stupid foreigner??
thanks

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Dearest Saeeda,
a Bauwwaeb is the man (most with family) living under mostly every house or in a small room at the stairs. They live for free and their job is to secure the house and washing the stairs, garages and cars, carry bags upstairs, go for you shopping, et., for a small money. They get from each flat a monthly sallary of between 30 and 50 Pounds.

They are mostly from the Balad, the balad is the countryside. The most people from there like to work as a Bauwwaeb, because they are mostly very poor and don't find work at home. Their 'fashion'clothes are mostly the Galabeya; a long dress, similar to a longarmed shirt, until the feet.Men and women.

By the way, Saeeda, there are NO STUBID FOREIGNERS OR QUESTIONS.......only stupid answers!
So, keep asking, honey!

posted 17 January 2005 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by AnotherNewMember:
I agree that FGM's are traditional and not religious, as they have been performed for thousands of years before the 'book' religions throughout Asia and Africa, and many indigenuous African tribes with no connection whatsoever to islam are still practicing circumcisions as a 'right of passage' for both men and women.

However it is NOT a fact that the only way a woman can achieve sexual stimulation is thru the clitoris. All women have an internal and external sex stimulator. The external is the clitoris, and the internal is a spot on the uterine wall, which is called the G-spot. Many women are not aware of their G-spot as it has unfortunately for them, never been stimulated. Experts claim that the male principal must be 'sizable' enough to reach this 'spot' in order to stimulate it. And pardon my frankness, but I don't think Egyptian men have a problem reaching that spot, as may be the case with their European counterparts.

So needless to say, many Egyptian women without their clitoris are still achieving orgasm.

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