posted 15 July 2004 07:20 AM            

Gulf Arabs are child molestors

"For everyone who does not know,one of the major pleasures for Arabs is molesting little children. Gulf Arabs are quite perculiar in that most like little black boys from Sudan or little boys from Egypt as their little playmates. It's widely known about the little incident with a school master and an Egyptian child quite young. When the father complained the Saudis had him paddled.

Saudi Arabians and other Gulf Arabs are child molestors and many other arabs are too."

http://www.brazzil.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11088

I am surprised that moderator of Egyptsearch could say such BULLSHIT.

""" """ Ausar

!!!

[This message has been edited by Ayazid (edited 15 July 2004).]

posted 15 July 2004 07:44 AM            

It's one thing to say stuff like that when you are fighting with someone, but to say it in such a scholarly fashion is just very dangerous.

Ausar, can we talk frankly for a moment. It all boils down to who's black and who's not as far as you're concerned. But I would let you know that a lot of Saudi citizens are actually very black, and their kids are definitely not molested. Abuse in Saudi Arabia (as in many Arab countries) is based on nationality not race.

I am not a white guy, I am not a black guy. I am one of those raceless people who write "other" under race/ethnicity, I wonder what you would think of me if you met me.

posted 15 July 2004 09:02 AM            

ok here are the proofs to what I'm saying....

<A HREF="http://www.diwanalarab.com/article.php3?id_article=949" TARGET=_blank>http://www.diwanalarab.com/article.php3?id_article=949[/URL]</A>

Also I once came across this fatwa....

فتوى رقم<31409> تاريخ 7\5\1421ه

الحمد لله وحده والصلاة والسلام على من لا نبي بعده---وبعد:

فقد اطلعت اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والافتاء على ما ورد الى سماحة المفتي العام من المستفتي ابو عبدالله محمد الشمري والمحال الى اللجنة من الامانة العامة لهيئة كبار العلماء برقم 1809 وتاريخ 3\5\1421ه وقد سأل المستفتي سؤالا هذا نصه:

انتشرت في الاونة الاخيرة ,وبشكل كبير وخاصة في الاعراس عادة مفاخذة الاولاد الصغار ,ماحكم ذلك مع العلم ان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم كان قد فاخذ سيدتنا عائشة رضي الله عنها

وبعد دراسة اللجنة للاستفتاء اجابت بمايلي:ليس من هدي المسلمين على مر القرون ان يلجأن الى استعمال هذه الوسائل الغير شرعية والتي وفدت الى بلادنا من الافلام الخلاعية التي يرسلها الكفار واعداء الاسلام ,اما من جهة مفاخذة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لخطيبته عائشة فقد كانت في سن السادسة من عمرها ولا يستطيع ان يجامعها لصغر سنها لذلك كان صلى الله عليه وسلم يضع اربه بين فخذيها ويدلكه دلكا خفيفا ,كما ان رسول الله يملك اربه على عكس المؤمنين

بناء على ذلك فلا يجوز التعامل بالمفاخذة لا في الاعراس ولا في المنازل ولا في المدارس ,لخطرها الفاحش ولعن الله الكفار ,الذين اتوا بهذه العادات الى بلادنا,

اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والافتاء

عضو:بكر بن عبد الله ابو زيد

عضو:صالح بن فوزان الفوزان

الرئيس عبد العزيز بن عبد الله بن محمد آل الشيخ

And every time someone faces these guys they defend themselvs by going to Qura'an in ayaet el talaq 65
vers 4 ....it says that...

[4] Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.
http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/dispTargam.asp?l=arb&t=eng&nType=1&nSora=65&nAya=4

وَاللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنَ الْمَحِيضِ مِنْ نِسَائِكُمْ إِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَةُ أَشْهُرٍ وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ وَأُولَاتُ الْأَحْمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ وَمَنْ يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَلْ لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ يُسْرًا
http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KATHEER&nType=1&nSora=6 5&nAya=4

which tafasseer ebn katheer explains it as...

وَاللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنَ الْمَحِيضِ مِنْ نِسَائِكُمْ إِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَةُ أَشْهُرٍ وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ وَأُولَاتُ الْأَحْمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ وَمَنْ يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَلْ لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ يُسْرًا

يَقُول تَعَالَى مُبَيِّنًا لِعِدَّةِ الْآيِسَة وَهِيَ الَّتِي قَدْ اِنْقَطَعَ عَنْهَا الْمَحِيض لِكِبَرِهَا أَنَّهَا ثَلَاثَة أَشْهُر عِوَضًا عَنْ الثَّلَاثَة قُرُوء فِي حَقّ مَنْ تَحِيض كَمَا دَلَّتْ عَلَى ذَلِكَ آيَة الْبَقَرَة وَكَذَا الصِّغَار اللَّائِي لَمْ يَبْلُغْنَ سِنّ الْحَيْض أَنَّ عِدَّتَهُنَّ كَعِدَّةِ الْآيِسَة ثَلَاثَة أَشْهُر وَلِهَذَا قَالَ تَعَالَى " وَاَللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ " وَقَوْله تَعَالَى " إِنْ اِرْتَبْتُمْ " فِيهِ قَوْلَانِ" أَحَدُهُمَا " وَهُوَ قَوْل طَائِفَة مِنْ السَّلَف كَمُجَاهِدٍ وَالزُّهْرِيّ وَابْن زَيْد أَيْ إِنْ رَأَيْنَ دَمًا وَشَكَكْتُمْ فِي كَوْنه حَيْضًا أَوْ اِسْتِحَاضَة وَرَتَّبْتُمْ فِيهِ " وَالْقَوْل الثَّانِي " إِنْ اِرْتَبْتُمْ فِي حُكْم عِدَّتهمْ وَلَمْ تَعْرِفُوهُ فَهُوَ ثَلَاث أَشْهُر وَهَذَا مَرْوِيٌّ عَنْ سَعِيد بْن جُبَيْر وَهُوَ اِخْتِيَار اِبْن جَرِير وَهُوَ أَظْهَر فِي الْمَعْنَى وَاحْتَجَّ عَلَيْهِ بِمَا رَوَاهُ عَنْ أَبِي كُرَيْب وَأَبِي السَّائِب قَالَا ثَنَا اِبْن إِدْرِيس أَنَا مُطَرِّف عَنْ عَمْرو بْن سَالِم قَالَ : قَالَ أُبَيّ بْن كَعْب يَا رَسُول اللَّه إِنَّ عِدَدًا مِنْ عِدَد النِّسَاء لَمْ تُذْكَر فِي الْكِتَاب : الصِّغَار وَالْكِبَار وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال قَالَ فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّه عَزَّ وَجَلَّ " وَاَللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنْ الْمَحِيض مِنْ نِسَائِكُمْ إِنْ اِرْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَة أَشْهُر وَاَللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ " . وَرَوَاهُ اِبْن أَبِي حَاتِم بِأَبْسَط مِنْ هَذَا السِّيَاق فَقَالَ : ثَنَا أَبِي ثَنَا يَحْيَى بْن الْمُغِيرَة أَنَا جَرِير عَنْ مُطَرِّف عَنْ عُمَر بْن سَالِم عَنْ أُبَيّ بْن كَعْب قَالَ : قُلْت لِرَسُولِ اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ إِنَّ نَاسًا مِنْ أَهْل الْمَدِينَة لَمَّا أُنْزِلَتْ هَذِهِ الْآيَة الَّتِي فِي الْبَقَرَة فِي عِدَّة النِّسَاء قَالُوا لَقَدْ بَقِيَ مِنْ عِدَّة النِّسَاء وَلَمْ يُذْكَرْنَ فِي الْقُرْآن : الصِّغَار وَالْكِبَار اللَّائِي قَدْ اِنْقَطَعَ مِنْهُنَّ الْحَيْض وَذَوَات الْحَمْل قَالَ فَأُنْزِلَتْ الَّتِي فِي النِّسَاء الْقُصْرَى " وَاَللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنْ الْمَحِيض مِنْ نِسَائِكُمْ إِنْ اِرْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَة أَشْهُر وَاَللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ " وَقَوْله تَعَالَى " وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ " يَقُول تَعَالَى وَمَنْ كَانَتْ حَامِلًا فَعِدَّتُهَا بِوَضْعِهِ وَلَوْ كَانَ بَعْد الطَّلَاق أَوْ الْمَوْت بِفَوَاقِ نَاقَة فِي قَوْل جُمْهُور الْعُلَمَاء مِنْ السَّلَف وَالْخَلَف كَمَا هُوَ نَصُّ هَذِهِ الْآيَة الْكَرِيمَة وَكَمَا وَرَدَتْ بِهِ السُّنَّةُ النَّبَوِيَّة وَقَدْ رُوِيَ عَنْ عَلِيّ وَابْن عَبَّاس رَضِيَ اللَّه عَنْهُمَا أَنَّهُمَا ذَهَبَا فِي الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجهَا أَنَّهَا تَعْتَدّ بِأَبْعَد الْأَجَلَيْنِ مِنْ الْوَضْع وَالْأَشْهُر عَمَلًا بِهَذِهِ الْآيَة وَاَلَّتِي فِي سُورَة الْبَقَرَة وَقَالَ الْبُخَارِيّ ثَنَا سَعِيد بْن حَفْص ثَنَا شَيْبَان عَنْ يَحْيَى قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو سَلَمَة قَالَ : جَاءَ رَجُل إِلَى اِبْن عَبَّاس وَأَبُو هُرَيْرَة جَالِس فَقَالَ أَفْتِنِي فِي اِمْرَأَة وُلِدَتْ بَعْد زَوْجهَا بِأَرْبَعِينَ لَيْلَة فَقَالَ اِبْن عَبَّاس آخِر الْأَجَلَيْنِ قُلْت أَنَا " وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلهنَّ " قَالَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَة أَنَا مَعَ اِبْن أَخِي - يَعْنِي أَبَا سَلَمَة - فَأَرْسَلَ اِبْن عَبَّاس غُلَامه كُرَيْبًا إِلَى أَمِّ سَلَمَة يَسْأَلهَا قَالَتْ : قُتِلَ زَوْج سُبَيْعَة الْأَسْلَمِيَّة وَهِيَ حُبْلَى فَوَضَعَتْ بَعْد مَوْته بِأَرْبَعِينَ لَيْلَة فَخُطِبَتْ فَأَنْكَحَهَا رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَكَانَ أَبُو السَّنَابِل فِيمَنْ خَطَبَهَا هَكَذَا أَوْرَدَ الْبُخَارِيّ هَذَا الْحَدِيث هَاهُنَا مُخْتَصَرًا وَقَدْ رَوَاهُ هُوَ وَمُسْلِم وَأَصْحَاب الْكُتُب مُطَوَّلًا مِنْ وُجُوه أُخَر وَقَالَ الْإِمَام أَحْمَد : ثَنَا حَمَّاد بْن أُسَامَة أَنَا هِشَام عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ الْمِسْوَر بْن مَخْرَمَة أَنَّ سُبَيْعَة الْأَسْلَمِيَّة تُوُفِّيَ عَنْهَا زَوْجهَا وَهِيَ حَامِل فَلَمْ تَمْكُث إِلَّا لَيَالِي حَتَّى وَضَعَتْ فَلَمَّا تَعَلَّتْ مِنْ نِفَاسهَا خُطِبَتْ فَاسْتَأْذَنَتْ رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فِي النِّكَاح فَأَذِنَ لَهَا أَنْ تُنْكَح فَنُكِحَتْ وَرَوَاهُ الْبُخَارِيّ فِي صَحِيحه وَمُسْلِم وَأَبُو دَاوُد وَالنَّسَائِيّ وَابْن مَاجَهْ مِنْ طُرُق عَنْهَا كَمَا قَالَ مُسْلِم بْن الْحَجَّاج حَدَّثَنِي أَبُو الطَّاهِر أَنَا اِبْن وَهْب حَدَّثَنِي يُونُس بْن يَزِيد عَنْ اِبْن شِهَاب حَدَّثَنِي عُبَيْد اللَّه بْن عَبْد اللَّه بْن عُتْبَة أَنَّ أَبَاهُ كَتَبَ إِلَى عُمَر بْن عَبْد اللَّه بْن الْأَرْقَم الزُّهْرِيّ يَأْمُرهُ أَنْ يَدْخُل عَلَى سُبَيْعَة بِنْت الْحَارِث الْأَسْلَمِيَّة فَيَسْأَلُهَا عَنْ حَدِيثهَا وَعَمَّا قَالَ لَهَا رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ حِين اِسْتَفْتَتْهُ ؟ فَكَتَبَ عُمَر بْن عَبْد اللَّه يُخْبِرهُ أَنَّ سُبَيْعَة أَخْبَرَتْهُ أَنَّهَا كَانَتْ تَحْت سَعْد بْن خَوْلَة وَكَانَ مِمَّنْ شَهِدَ بَدْرًا فَتُوُفِّيَ عَنْهَا فِي حَجَّة الْوَدَاع وَهِيَ حَامِل فَلَمْ تَنْشَب أَنْ وَضَعَتْ حَمْلَهَا بَعْد وَفَاته فَلَمَّا تَعَلَّتْ مِنْ نِفَاسهَا تَجَمَّلَتْ لِلْخُطَّابِ فَدَخَلَ عَلَيْهَا أَبُو السَّنَابِل بْن بَعْكَك فَقَالَ لَهَا مَالِي أَرَاك مُتَجَمِّلَة ؟ لَعَلَّك تَرْجِينَ النِّكَاح إِنَّك وَاَللَّه مَا أَنْتِ بِنَاكِحٍ حَتَّى تَمُرَّ عَلَيْك أَرْبَعَة أَشْهُر وَعَشْر . قَالَتْ سُبَيْعَة فَلَمَّا قَالَ لِي ذَلِكَ جَمَعْت عَلَيَّ ثِيَابِي حِين أَمْسَيْت فَأَتَيْت رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَسَأَلْته عَنْ ذَلِكَ فَأَفْتَانِي بِأَنِّي قَدْ حَلَلْت حِين وَضَعْت حَمْلِي وَأَمَرَنِي بِالتَّزْوِيجِ إِنْ بَدَا لِي هَذَا لَفْظ مُسْلِم وَرَوَاهُ الْبُخَارِيّ مُخْتَصَرًا ثُمَّ قَالَ الْبُخَارِيّ بَعْد رِوَايَته الْحَدِيث الْأَوَّل عِنْد هَذِهِ الْآيَة : وَقَالَ أَبُو سُلَيْمَان بْن حَرْب وَأَبُو النُّعْمَان ثَنَا حَمَّاد بْن زَيْد عَنْ أَيُّوب عَنْ مُحَمَّد هُوَ اِبْن سِيرِينَ قَالَ كُنْت فِي حَلْقَة فِيهَا عَبْد الرَّحْمَن بْن أَبِي لَيْلَى وَكَانَ أَصْحَابه يُعَظِّمُونَهُ فَذَكَرَ آخِر الْأَجَلَيْنِ فَحَدَّثْت بِحَدِيثِ سُبَيْعَة بِنْت الْحَارِث عَنْ عَبْد اللَّه بْن عُتْبَة قَالَ فَضَمَرَ لِي بَعْض أَصْحَابه وَقَالَ مُحَمَّد فَفَطِنْت لَهُ فَقُلْت لَهُ إِنِّي لَجَرِيء أَنْ أَكْذِبَ عَلَى عَبْد اللَّه وَهُوَ فِي نَاحِيَة الْكُوفَة قَالَ فَاسْتَحْيَا وَقَالَ لَكِنَّ عَمّه لَمْ يَقُلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَقِيت أَبَا عَطِيَّة مَالِك بْن عَامِر فَسَأَلْته فَذَهَبَ يُحَدِّثنِي بِحَدِيثِ سُبَيْعَة فَقُلْت هَلْ سَمِعْت عَنْ عَبْد اللَّه شَيْئًا ؟ فَقَالَ كُنَّا عِنْد عَبْد اللَّه فَقَالَ أَتَجْعَلُونَ عَلَيْهَا التَّغْلِيظ وَلَا تَجْعَلُونَ عَلَيْهَا الرُّخْصَة ؟ فَنَزَلَتْ سُورَة النِّسَاء الْقُصْرَى بَعْد الطُّولَى " وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ" وَرَوَاهُ اِبْن جَرِير مِنْ طَرِيق سُفْيَان بْن عُيَيْنَة وَإِسْمَاعِيل بْن عُلَيَّة عَنْ أَيُّوب بِهِ مُخْتَصَرًا وَرَوَاهُ النَّسَائِيّ فِي التَّفْسِير عَنْ مُحَمَّد بْن عَبْد الْأَعْلَى عَنْ خَالِد بْن الْحَارِث عَنْ اِبْن عَوْن عَنْ مُحَمَّد بْن سِيرِينَ فَذَكَرَهُ وَقَالَ اِبْن جَرِير : حَدَّثَنِي زَكَرِيَّا بْن يَحْيَى بْن أَبَان الْمِصْرِيّ ثَنَا سَعِيد بْن أَبِي مَرْيَم ثَنَا مُحَمَّد بْن جَعْفَر حَدَّثَنِي اِبْن شُبْرُمَة الْكُوفِيّ عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيم عَنْ عَلْقَمَة بْن قَيْس أَنَّ عَبْد اللَّه بْن مَسْعُود قَالَ : مَنْ شَاءَ لَاعَنْته مَا نَزَلَتْ" وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلُهُنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ " إِلَّا بَعْد آيَة الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجهَا قَالَ : وَإِذَا وَضَعَتْ الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجهَا فَقَدْ حَلَّتْ يُرِيد بِآيَةِ الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا " وَاَلَّذِينَ يُتَوَفَّوْنَ مِنْكُمْ وَيَذَرُونَ أَزْوَاجًا يَتَرَبَّصْنَ بِأَنْفُسِهِنَّ أَرْبَعَةَ أَشْهُرٍ وَعَشْرًا " وَقَدْ رَوَاهُ النَّسَائِيّ مِنْ حَدِيث سَعِيد بْن أَبِي مَرْيَم بِهِ ثُمَّ قَالَ اِبْن جَرِير : ثَنَا أَحْمَد بْن مَنِيع ثَنَا مُحَمَّد بْن عُبَيْد ثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيل بْن أَبِي خَالِد عَنْ الشَّعْبِيّ قَالَ : ذُكِرَ عِنْد اِبْن مَسْعُود آخِر الْأَجَلَيْنِ فَقَالَ مَنْ شَاءَ قَاسَمْته بِاَللَّهِ إِنَّ هَذِهِ الْآيَة الَّتِي فِي النِّسَاء الْقُصْرَى نَزَلَتْ بَعْد الْأَرْبَعَة الْأَشْهُر وَالْعَشْر ثُمَّ قَالَ : أَجَلُ الْحَامِلِ أَنْ تَضَعَ مَا فِي بَطْنِهَا . وَقَالَ اِبْن أَبِي حَاتِم ثَنَا أَحْمَد بْن سِنَان الْوَاسِطِي ثَنَا عَبْد الرَّحْمَن بْن مَهْدِيّ عَنْ سُفْيَان عَنْ الْأَعْمَش عَنْ أَبِي الضُّحَى عَنْ مَسْرُوق قَالَ بَلَغَ اِبْن مَسْعُود أَنَّ عَلِيًّا رَضِيَ اللَّه عَنْهُ يَقُول آخِر الْأَجَلَيْنِ فَقَالَ مَنْ شَاءَ لَاعَنْته إِنَّ الَّتِي فِي النِّسَاء الْقُصْرَى نَزَلَتْ بَعْد الْبَقَرَة " وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلهنَّ " وَرَوَاهُ أَبُو دَاوُد وَابْن مَاجَهْ مِنْ حَدِيث أَبِي مُعَاوِيَة عَنْ الْأَعْمَش . وَقَالَ عَبْد اللَّه اِبْن الْإِمَام أَحْمَد حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّد بْن أَبِي بَكْر الْمُقَدَّمِيّ أَنَا عَبْد الْوَهَّاب الثَّقَفِيّ حَدَّثَنَا الْمُثَنَّى عَنْ عَمْرو بْن شُعَيْب عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ عَبْد اللَّه بْن عَمْرو عَنْ أُبَيّ بْن كَعْب قَالَ : قُلْت لِلنَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ " وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ " الْمُطَلَّقَة ثَلَاثًا أَوْ الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجهَا ؟ فَقَالَ : هِيَ لِلْمُطَلَّقَةِ ثَلَاثًا وَلِلْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا . هَذَا حَدِيث غَرِيب جِدًّا بَلْ مُنْكَر لِأَنَّ فِي إِسْنَاده الْمُثَنَّى بْن الصَّبَّاح وَهُوَ مَتْرُوك الْحَدِيث بِمَرَّةٍ وَلَكِنْ رَوَاهُ اِبْن أَبِي حَاتِم بِسَنَدٍ آخَر فَقَالَ حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّد بْن دَاوُد السَّمَّانِيّ ثَنَا عَمْرو بْن خَالِد يَعْنِي الْحَرَّانِيّ ثَنَا اِبْن لَهِيعَة عَنْ عَمْرو بْن شُعَيْب عَنْ سَعِيد بْن الْمُسَيِّب عَنْ أُبَيّ بْن كَعْب أَنَّهُ لَمَّا نَزَلَتْ هَذِهِ الْآيَة قَالَ لِرَسُولِ اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَا أَدْرِي أَمُشْتَرَكَة أَمْ مُبْهَمَة ؟ قَالَ رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ " أَيَّة آيَة " قَالَ " أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلهنَّ " الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا وَالْمُطَلَّقَة ؟ قَالَ : نَعَمْ وَكَذَا رَوَاهُ اِبْن جَرِير عَنْ أَبِي كُرَيْب عَنْ مُوسَى بْن دَاوُد عَنْ اِبْن لَهِيعَة بِهِ ثُمَّ رَوَاهُ عَنْ أَبِي كُرَيْب أَيْضًا عَنْ مَالِك بْن إِسْمَاعِيل عَنْ اِبْن عُيَيْنَة عَنْ عَبْد الْكَرِيم بْن أَبِي الْمُخَارِق أَنَّهُ حَدَّثَ عَنْ أُبَيّ بْن كَعْب قَالَ : سَأَلْت رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ " وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلُهُنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ " قَالَ : أَجَل كُلِّ حَامِل أَنْ تَضَع مَا فِي بَطْنهَا عَبْد الْكَرِيم هَذَا ضَعِيف وَلَمْ يُدْرِكْ أُبَيًّا وَقَوْله تَعَالَى وَمَنْ يَتَّقِ اللَّه يَجْعَل لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ يُسْرًا " أَيْ يُسَهِّل لَهُ أَمْرَهُ وَيُيَسِّرُهُ عَلَيْهِ وَيَجْعَل لَهُ فَرَجًا قَرِيبًا وَمَخْرَجًا عَاجِلًا .

http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KATHEER&nType=1&nSora=6 5&nAya=4

pretty serious stuff hah...

even el khomainy ...said what he thinks about this....

لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين ، دواما كان النكاح أو منقطعا ، و أما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة و الضم و التفخيذ فلا بأس بها حتى فى الرضيعة ، و لو وطأها قبل التسع و لم يفضها لم يترتب عليه شى‏ء غير الاثم على الاقوى ، و إن أفضاها بأن جعل مسلكى البول و الحيض واحدا أو مسلكى الحيض و الغائط واحدا حرم عليه وطؤها أبدا لكن على الاحوط فى الصورة الثانية ، و على أي حال لم تخرج عن زوجيته على الاقوى ، فيجري عليها أحكامها من التوارث و حرمة الخامسة و حرمة أختها معها و غيرها ، و يجب عليه نفقتها مادامت حية و إن طلقها بل و إن تزوجت بعد الطلاق على الاحوط ، بل لا يخلو من قوة ، و يجب عليه دية الافضاء ، و هى دية النفس ، فإذا كانت حرة فلها نصف دية الرجل مضافا إلى المهر الذي استحقته بالعقد و الدخول ، و لو دخل بزوجته بعد إكمال التسع فأفضاها لم تحرم عليه و لم تثبت الدية ، و لكن الاحوط الانفاق عليها مادامت حية و إن كان الاقوى عدم الوجوب
http://www.ansar.org/arabic/radee3ah.htm

Oh ...one more thing...I mean 7adeeth...

‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏يعقوب ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏أبي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن إسحاق ‏ ‏قال وحدثني ‏ ‏حسين بن عبد الله بن عباس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عكرمة ‏ ‏مولى ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عباس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عباس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أم الفضل بنت الحارث ‏
‏أن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏رأى ‏ ‏أم حبيبة بنت عباس ‏ ‏وهي فوق الفطيم قالت فقال ‏ ‏لئن بلغت بنية ‏ ‏العباس ‏ ‏هذه وأنا حي لأتزوجنها
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=25636&doc=6

Finally another 7adeeth....

‏حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن إسمعيل ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏إبراهيم بن يحيى بن محمد بن عباد المدني ‏ ‏حدثني ‏ ‏أبي يحيى بن محمد ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏محمد بن إسحق ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏محمد بن مسلم الزهري ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عروة بن الزبير ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة ‏ ‏قالت ‏ ‏قدم ‏ ‏زيد بن حارثة ‏ ‏المدينة ‏ ‏ورسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏في بيتي فأتاه فقرع الباب فقام إليه رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏عريانا يجر ثوبه والله ما رأيته عريانا قبله ولا بعده فاعتنقه وقبله ‏
‏‏قال ‏ ‏أبو عيسى ‏ ‏هذا ‏ ‏حديث حسن غريب ‏ ‏لا نعرفه من حديث ‏ ‏الزهري ‏ ‏إلا من هذا الوجه

سنن الترمذي .. كتاب الإستئذان و الآداب عن رسول الله .. باب ما جاء في المعانقة و القبلة

Pretty impressive hah???

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Originally posted by kimo_the_maniac:
Ausar, did you really write that stuff? I personally said that there are cases of child abuse and general abuse in the gulf that go unpunished. But I disagree strongly with the image you are trying to paint. Saudis (or any other nationality) are definitely not all perverts, they are not even perverted in the majority. I lived in Saudi Arabia, and believe me there is nothing like an organised slave trade or people showing particular fondness to Sudanese kids.

It's one thing to say stuff like that when you are fighting with someone, but to say it in such a scholarly fashion is just very dangerous.

Ausar, can we talk frankly for a moment. It all boils down to who's black and who's not as far as you're concerned. But I would let you know that a lot of Saudi citizens are actually very black, and their kids are definitely not molested. Abuse in Saudi Arabia (as in many Arab countries) is based on nationality not race.

I am not a white guy, I am not a black guy. I am one of those raceless people who write "other" under race/ethnicity, I wonder what you would think of me if you met me.

Anyway, I can't really reach that link, but if you did write that stuff Ausar then it's a real disappointment.

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posted 15 July 2004 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Mokoo:
Why you guys fireing at the guy....It's true....it's known internationally...I couldn't agree more with him....It's not like every single person in Saudi Arabia does this,,,but u can say good 80 to 90% of these guys are sick with this...

ok here what proves what I'm saying....
open this link and read...you will vomit...careful...
http://www.diwanalarab.com/article.php3?id_article=949

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No, not even close to a single digit percentage. Well known internationally??? As in how? As in Hollywood for example? Well a lot of things are "well known internationally" about certain ethnic groups and they turn out to be senseless **** . It was once "well known internationally" that blacks are mentally inferior to whites.

And what does that link prove exactly? It talks about a thousand child abuse cases over a period of a few years in a country of 5 mil. I don't know how that leads to a good 80 or 90%.

posted 15 July 2004 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by kimo_the_maniac:

No, not even close to a single digit percentage. Well known internationally??? As in how? As in Hollywood for example? Well a lot of things are "well known internationally" about certain ethnic groups and they turn out to be senseless **** . It was once "well known internationally" that blacks are mentally inferior to whites.

And what does that link prove exactly? It talks about a thousand child abuse cases over a period of a few years in a country of 5 mil. I don't know how that leads to a good 80 or 90%.

You are simply racist.

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posted 15 July 2004 11:18 AM            

I'm not even going to go back and forth defending and repeating myself...you have eyes...you have brains...read...It's so much information, if I stop and explain you what this and that means...I will probably sit here forever...

I just thought to share some knowledge...I'm far from being religious ...I just simply ...read books....nice habbit ...

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Originally posted by kimo_the_maniac:
Mokoo, I don't know what you are trying to do. There is nothing in your post still that makes any difference to what I said. So you added a hadith by the prophet congratulating someone who had a baby girl by saying she's already so cute he would marry her if she grew old enough while he's still alive. That's a far cry from pre-Islamic Arabia where they buried baby girls alive.

Look, you have a very clear vendetta against Islam, again whatever your negative experience with religious conversion try to be a bit more tolerant to other people. Whatever religion you follow (even if you are atheist), I can show you "evidence" that your religion according to some people is perverted.

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posted 15 July 2004 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by BahYBasha:
what the heck? 90 - 80 % of Saudis! From where the heck did u got ur statistics man/woman! I spend a part of my childhood in Saudi and it was amazing! I used to go to school walking and play in gardens near my house for 6 yrs of my childhood and never got harassed. If it ur statistics is right, I would had been harassed millions of time during this 6 yrs although I am not denying that there are negative things in Saudi that I donصt like.

it is just ppl like u moko, that claim to read books, while they are full of hate and racism. From where did u have this 90%? Send a proof of what u claim.

U hate Saudi Arabia that is ur problem. Just donصt u spread hate because u r just intolerant.

Moko, go get a life!

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posted 15 July 2004 02:20 PM            

I know many Saudis are black but that's really not to the point. The reason why so many black Saudis exist is because their ancestors were taken as slaves. Arabs have always enslaved other African people and despised Africans. Arabs during the Middle Ages even took Egyptian slaves whose revolt were broken down because of the taxiation.

Gulf Arabs are known to be child molestors and continue to have that reputation.

Say what you like but my ancestors were ancient Egyptians and not Arabs. I am not ashamed of who I am not do i wish to be an Arab.

More Egyptians support my assumptions:

And it is very well known that many Peninsula/Gulf Arabs are sodomites
and pedophiles...remember that incidence with the Egyptian boy...they
didn't wip the Schoolteacher but the boy's father! Everyone knows the
sickness that is in these societies.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=The+Hab++Gulf+Arabs&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=4k6cmo%24eqv%40sam.inforamp.net&rnum=3

The Hab

posted 15 July 2004 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by ausar:
Kimo, what I said about the Saudis I heard on soc.culture.egy from a poster there. I don't regret what I posted because it's true about the Saudis. That incident with the Egyptian child is very well known in many circles of people.

I know many Saudis are black but that's really not to the point. The reason why so many black Saudis exist is because their ancestors were taken as slaves. Arabs have always enslaved other African people and despised Africans. Arabs during the Middle Ages even took Egyptian slaves whose revolt were broken down because of the taxiation.

Gulf Arabs are known to be child molestors and continue to have that reputation.

Say what you like but my ancestors were ancient Egyptians and not Arabs. I am not ashamed of who I am not do i wish to be an Arab.

More Egyptians support my assumptions:

And it is very well known that many Peninsula/Gulf Arabs are sodomites
and pedophiles...remember that incidence with the Egyptian boy...they
didn't wip the Schoolteacher but the boy's father! Everyone knows the
sickness that is in these societies.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=The+Hab++Gulf+Arabs&hl=e n&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=4k6cmo%24eqv%40sam.inforamp.net&rnum=3

The Hab

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Ausar, just because you heard something from an Egyptian doesn't make it a fact. We have ignorant asses here just like everywhere else.

Anyway *I* was the one who brought up this incident with the doctor first on ES. My point was not that Saudis are child molestors, my point was that Saudis don't punish criminals if the victim is foreign (more specifically Egyptian).

And don't just say stuff like: Saudis have a reputation of this and that. Every nationality has a bad reputation about something that is not really true.

Anyway if you want to know more about the gulf, get to know some gulf people personally. They are disappointingly normal!

And I don't know where I claimed I had an Arab ancestry or tried to shove some down your throat! I just said that you have a problem with sking colour. I am probably (but then again, I am not sure of this) lighter skinned than you are but I am definitely more Egyptian because I lived here most of my life and this IS my native culture. You on the other hand seem to have this genealogical fascination and tend to classify people according to their blood, which is well ... racist. Tell me, what would you do if you found out that you had some Arab blood in you (very probable), would it make any difference to who you are? Definitely not. I have blood in my family that could drive white and black supremacists crazy, I am the ultimate mongrel, and yet I am 100% Egyptian. There is no other place I know or call home.

posted 15 July 2004 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by kimo_the_maniac:
Yalla, khalas. It's over for you Ausar, if you insist on seeing things from a black supremacist point of view there is no talking to you. Mind that I am not telling you to be ashamed of being black or African, but I am also telling you not to be proud of it. There is nothing sillier than someone being proud of his/her skin colour.

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Hmmm, interesting statement... I *think* I disagree with you, but I can see where you're coming from.

posted 15 July 2004 06:47 PM            

Where do you get off calling me a black supremist? I admit I just don't like Arabs and why should I like Arabs after all the things Arabs have done in regions of Upper Egypt. Arabs haave literally made these regions war zones because of their arrogant ways and treatment of the Fellahin there. Why don't you read some of the things your Arab friends did in the Middle Ages to people they considered Mawali. Yes,that includes your Egyptian ancestors in the Delta. Don't know which part of the Delta you come from but a good chance if it's the Eastern part you have some Arab ancestry also.

Maybe I do have some Arab ancestry,and even if I did I would wonder if the ancestry was something I would want to claim. You know Arabs didnot mix with Upper Egyptians that much then in the Delta regions. Some Arabs came in later times and some even live in Luxor around the Valley of the Kings. The numbers are so small they are simply insignificant to the majority of the population.

Your great leader Nasser was also half Arab. One of the reasons he started proclming that all Egyptians are Arabs slogan.

You grew up in Egypt so good for you,but might I mention I have family members who still live there. Even if an Egyptian was born or lived on foregin soil does that make a person any less Egyptian? The poster multisphinx who posts here is an Egyptian but he was raised most his life in the states. He told me his mother is from the Delta.

You know what I also know that in certain neighboorhoods in Cairo like Boulaq the Saidi Egyptians don't get along very much with the Fellahin from the Delta. Other Egyptians always tell me how sneaky those from the Delta are. Don't believe them but this is what I hear.

When I first came to this website I was shocked that people were aruging over the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians. You had a poster here named pelas and egyptmed who was trying to proclaim all Egyptians as white people. Being that I am an Egyptian and not white I got pissed off. You never said anything to egyptmed. Why is this?

posted 15 July 2004 08:00 PM            

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Originally posted by kimo_the_maniac:
Yalla, khalas. It's over for you Ausar, if you insist on seeing things from a black supremacist point of view there is no talking to you. Mind that I am not telling you to be ashamed of being black or African, but I am also telling you not to be proud of it. There is nothing sillier than someone being proud of his/her skin colour.

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Interesting...first time I've heard of such a thing as a Black "supremacist"! I have heard of "angry" blacks because of the way they've been treated in the past and present, but a black who thinks he is superior to another race, is a new one on me.

posted 15 July 2004 09:10 PM            

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Originally posted by supercar:
Interesting...first time I've heard of such a thing as a Black "supremacist"! I have heard of "angry" blacks because of the way they've been treated in the past and present, but a black who thinks he is superior to another race, is a new one on me.

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Oh, those folks definitely exist. That philosophy is part & parcel of the Nation of Islam.

And "a black person" would have been more appropriate than "a black". Black is an adjective, not a noun.

posted 15 July 2004 09:43 PM            

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Oh, those folks definitely exist. That philosophy is part & parcel of the Nation of Islam..

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Nation of Islam are very funny people considering the fact that many whorship a white guy named Wallace Dodd. He was a white guy who was proclaimed a living incarnate of god.

I must say though from my observation of race as am American that black supremacy is just a responce to white supremacy--albeit probabaly not a very good responce. You must understand that hate and extremism breed extremism. The two work toghter.

The racist and supremist I am worried about are the white ones with degrees that believe in Eugenics. Not all white supremist are people with white sheets and a limited vocabulary. Some of the most infamous white supremist have Nobel prizes much like Willam Shockley.

I even read a book by Richard Lynn that said the average iq of an Egyptian is 83.This is no joke. These people see all non-whites as inferior. To them you're just a mud race in a third world trash heap.

Nobody takes the Nation of Islam serious but many people will take Ivy league professors with a agenda very seriously. Lothro Stroddard was a Harvard professor that assisted Margaret Sanger's project which only had the plan to strelized countless of minorty groups. This stuff scares me more than black suprmeist and it should you to.

posted 15 July 2004 09:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Carleen:
Oh, those folks definitely exist. That philosophy is part & parcel of the Nation of Islam.

And "a black person" would have been more appropriate than "a black". Black is an adjective, not a noun.

[This message has been edited by Carleen (edited 15 July 2004).]

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posted 15 July 2004 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by ausar:
Nation of Islam are very funny people considering the fact that many whorship a white guy named Wallace Dodd. He was a white guy who was proclaimed a living incarnate of god.

I must say though from my observation of race as am American that black supremacy is just a responce to white supremacy--albeit probabaly not a very good responce. You must understand that hate and extremism breed extremism. The two work toghter.

The racist and supremist I am worried about are the white ones with degrees that believe in Eugenics. Not all white supremist are people with white sheets and a limited vocabulary. Some of the most infamous white supremist have Nobel prizes much like Willam Shockley.

I even read a book by Richard Lynn that said the average iq of an Egyptian is 83.This is no joke. These people see all non-whites as inferior. To them you're just a mud race in a third world trash heap.

Nobody takes the Nation of Islam serious but many people will take Ivy league professors with a agenda very seriously. Lothro Stroddard was a Harvard professor that assisted Margaret Sanger's project which only had the plan to strelized countless of minorty groups. This stuff scares me more than black suprmeist and it should you to.

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posted 15 July 2004 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by supercar:
Boy, you crack me up!
Anybody who comes to this forum for grammar lessons from people who may be of "less than average" intelligence, surely needs his/her head checked. Since this is obviously your first experience in participating in any internet forum, I don't blame you for being nitpicky about grammatical mistakes. Good luck, you have monumental task ahead of you!

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posted 15 July 2004 10:29 PM            

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Originally posted by ausar:
I don't mind if people correct my grammar or spelling mistakes. In all honesty I don't really double check my work before posting it to the forum. Despite what grammatical mistakes I have,my points should be coherant those reading my post. Definatley not the best speller but you will understand my post. Most of it never has any type of street slang or pedestrian type language.

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posted 15 July 2004 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Carleen:
No, I didn't think you were making a grammatical error at all. Your error was the way in which you referred to black people. But you're so obtuse that you didn't even see the point I was making.

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posted 16 July 2004 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by kimo_the_maniac:
Ausar, did you really write that stuff? I personally said that there are cases of child abuse and general abuse in the gulf that go unpunished. But I disagree strongly with the image you are trying to paint. Saudis (or any other nationality) are definitely not all perverts, they are not even perverted in the majority. I lived in Saudi Arabia, and believe me there is nothing like an organised slave trade or people showing particular fondness to Sudanese kids.

It's one thing to say stuff like that when you are fighting with someone, but to say it in such a scholarly fashion is just very dangerous.

Ausar, can we talk frankly for a moment. It all boils down to who's black and who's not as far as you're concerned. But I would let you know that a lot of Saudi citizens are actually very black, and their kids are definitely not molested. Abuse in Saudi Arabia (as in many Arab countries) is based on nationality not race.

I am not a white guy, I am not a black guy. I am one of those raceless people who write "other" under race/ethnicity, I wonder what you would think of me if you met me.

Anyway, I can't really reach that link, but if you did write that stuff Ausar then it's a real disappointment.

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Yes...I have to agree with maniac...but to add to that...its just a matter of making Arabs look bad that is what it is all about...nothing else.Why go through all the trouble of posting something so disgusting when you know there are Arabs checking these posts for information as well as giving information.Maybe ausar is trying to provoke some people for his own sick pleasure.

posted 16 July 2004 01:28 AM            

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Yes...I have to agree with maniac...but to add to that...its just a matter of making Arabs look bad that is what it is all about...nothing else.Why go through all the trouble of posting something so disgusting when you know there are Arabs checking these posts for information as well as giving information.Maybe ausar is trying to provoke some people for his own sick pleasure.

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First off,I posted it on another message board which has nothing to do what-so-ever with Arabs or Arabic people. Second,it was a evesdroping poster named Ayazid who posted this information on this message board I guess to expose me. I feel that whatever a person does on another message board should travel with him to a totally different message board which has nothing to do with the next.

No arabs post on the other message board and what I was doing was not to provoke anybody.

The message board I posted on is not very serious. Could understand if you mean a listserve or a message board directly targeted to Arabs,but it's a board about Brazil. The topics on the message board are about race.

I am not cowardly about my actions. I own up to them,and yes I did post the following.

posted 16 July 2004 01:47 AM            

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Originally posted by ausar:
Could understand if you mean a listserve or a message board directly targeted to Arabs,but it's a board about Brazil. The topics on the message board are about race.

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posted 16 July 2004 04:32 AM            

First off,I posted it on another message board which has nothing to do what-so-ever with Arabs or Arabic people. Second,it was a evesdroping poster named Ayazid who posted this information on this message board I guess to expose me. I feel that whatever a person does on another message board should travel with him to a totally different message board which has nothing to do with the next.

No arabs post on the other message board and what I was doing was not to provoke anybody.

The message board I posted on is not very serious. Could understand if you mean a listserve or a message board directly targeted to Arabs,but it's a board about Brazil. The topics on the message board are about race.

I am not cowardly about my actions. I own up to them,and yes I did post the following.

[/B][/QUOTE]

So why did you post it in the first place...what was the purpose?..Excuse me I am stupid and I cant figure out why one would go through all this trouble and explaining if he wasnt guilty.

posted 16 July 2004 05:05 AM            

That part about people from the delta being sneaky is extremely racist. I have never heard this stereotype before! I honestly think that you make up half the stuff you write. Anyway Ausar, I come from the delta, from the hardcore of the delta. And I have an EXTREMELY mixed ancestry. And I am neither ashamed nor proud of it, it's just how things ARE.

And I don't know why you mentioned Pelyas, do you honestly think anyone took him seriously? Would you pause for a minute and think. The reason what you posted is shocking is that people expect a bit more from you.

posted 16 July 2004 05:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Amun:
I hate generalizations. I really have a hard time believing pedophilia is normal and acceptable behavior in any culture.

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posted 16 July 2004 05:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Carleen:
Hmmm, interesting statement... I *think* I disagree with you, but I can see where you're coming from.

And way OT: Kimo, do you mind if I ask where you were educated?? Your command of English, especially colloquial English, is really remarkable.

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posted 16 July 2004 05:44 AM            

http://www.diwanalarab.com/article.php3?id_article=949

Also I once came across this fatwa....

فتوى رقم<31409> تاريخ 7\5\1421ه

الحمد لله وحده والصلاة والسلام على من لا نبي بعده---وبعد:

فقد اطلعت اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والافتاء على ما ورد الى سماحة المفتي العام من المستفتي ابو عبدالله محمد الشمري والمحال الى اللجنة من الامانة العامة لهيئة كبار العلماء برقم 1809 وتاريخ 3\5\1421ه وقد سأل المستفتي سؤالا هذا نصه:

انتشرت في الاونة الاخيرة ,وبشكل كبير وخاصة في الاعراس عادة مفاخذة الاولاد الصغار ,ماحكم ذلك مع العلم ان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم كان قد فاخذ سيدتنا عائشة رضي الله عنها

وبعد دراسة اللجنة للاستفتاء اجابت بمايلي:ليس من هدي المسلمين على مر القرون ان يلجأن الى استعمال هذه الوسائل الغير شرعية والتي وفدت الى بلادنا من الافلام الخلاعية التي يرسلها الكفار واعداء الاسلام ,اما من جهة مفاخذة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لخطيبته عائشة فقد كانت في سن السادسة من عمرها ولا يستطيع ان يجامعها لصغر سنها لذلك كان صلى الله عليه وسلم يضع اربه بين فخذيها ويدلكه دلكا خفيفا ,كما ان رسول الله يملك اربه على عكس المؤمنين

بناء على ذلك فلا يجوز التعامل بالمفاخذة لا في الاعراس ولا في المنازل ولا في المدارس ,لخطرها الفاحش ولعن الله الكفار ,الذين اتوا بهذه العادات الى بلادنا,

اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والافتاء

عضو:بكر بن عبد الله ابو زيد

عضو:صالح بن فوزان الفوزان

الرئيس عبد العزيز بن عبد الله بن محمد آل الشيخ

And every time someone faces these guys they defend themselvs by going to Qura'an in ayaet el talaq 65
vers 4 ....it says that...

[4] Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy. http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/dispTargam.asp?l=arb&t=eng&nType=1&nSora=65&nAya=4

وَاللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنَ الْمَحِيضِ مِنْ نِسَائِكُمْ إِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَةُ أَشْهُرٍ وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ وَأُولَاتُ الْأَحْمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ وَمَنْ يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَلْ لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ يُسْرًا http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KATHEER&nType=1&nSora=6 5&nAya=4

which tafasseer ebn katheer explains it as...

وَاللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنَ الْمَحِيضِ مِنْ نِسَائِكُمْ إِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَةُ أَشْهُرٍ وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ وَأُولَاتُ الْأَحْمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ وَمَنْ يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَلْ لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ يُسْرًا

يَقُول تَعَالَى مُبَيِّنًا لِعِدَّةِ الْآيِسَة وَهِيَ الَّتِي قَدْ اِنْقَطَعَ عَنْهَا الْمَحِيض لِكِبَرِهَا أَنَّهَا ثَلَاثَة أَشْهُر عِوَضًا عَنْ الثَّلَاثَة قُرُوء فِي حَقّ مَنْ تَحِيض كَمَا دَلَّتْ عَلَى ذَلِكَ آيَة الْبَقَرَة وَكَذَا الصِّغَار اللَّائِي لَمْ يَبْلُغْنَ سِنّ الْحَيْض أَنَّ عِدَّتَهُنَّ كَعِدَّةِ الْآيِسَة ثَلَاثَة أَشْهُر وَلِهَذَا قَالَ تَعَالَى " وَاَللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ " وَقَوْله تَعَالَى " إِنْ اِرْتَبْتُمْ " فِيهِ قَوْلَانِ" أَحَدُهُمَا " وَهُوَ قَوْل طَائِفَة مِنْ السَّلَف كَمُجَاهِدٍ وَالزُّهْرِيّ وَابْن زَيْد أَيْ إِنْ رَأَيْنَ دَمًا وَشَكَكْتُمْ فِي كَوْنه حَيْضًا أَوْ اِسْتِحَاضَة وَرَتَّبْتُمْ فِيهِ " وَالْقَوْل الثَّانِي " إِنْ اِرْتَبْتُمْ فِي حُكْم عِدَّتهمْ وَلَمْ تَعْرِفُوهُ فَهُوَ ثَلَاث أَشْهُر وَهَذَا مَرْوِيٌّ عَنْ سَعِيد بْن جُبَيْر وَهُوَ اِخْتِيَار اِبْن جَرِير وَهُوَ أَظْهَر فِي الْمَعْنَى وَاحْتَجَّ عَلَيْهِ بِمَا رَوَاهُ عَنْ أَبِي كُرَيْب وَأَبِي السَّائِب قَالَا ثَنَا اِبْن إِدْرِيس أَنَا مُطَرِّف عَنْ عَمْرو بْن سَالِم قَالَ : قَالَ أُبَيّ بْن كَعْب يَا رَسُول اللَّه إِنَّ عِدَدًا مِنْ عِدَد النِّسَاء لَمْ تُذْكَر فِي الْكِتَاب : الصِّغَار وَالْكِبَار وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال قَالَ فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّه عَزَّ وَجَلَّ " وَاَللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنْ الْمَحِيض مِنْ نِسَائِكُمْ إِنْ اِرْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَة أَشْهُر وَاَللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ " . وَرَوَاهُ اِبْن أَبِي حَاتِم بِأَبْسَط مِنْ هَذَا السِّيَاق فَقَالَ : ثَنَا أَبِي ثَنَا يَحْيَى بْن الْمُغِيرَة أَنَا جَرِير عَنْ مُطَرِّف عَنْ عُمَر بْن سَالِم عَنْ أُبَيّ بْن كَعْب قَالَ : قُلْت لِرَسُولِ اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ إِنَّ نَاسًا مِنْ أَهْل الْمَدِينَة لَمَّا أُنْزِلَتْ هَذِهِ الْآيَة الَّتِي فِي الْبَقَرَة فِي عِدَّة النِّسَاء قَالُوا لَقَدْ بَقِيَ مِنْ عِدَّة النِّسَاء وَلَمْ يُذْكَرْنَ فِي الْقُرْآن : الصِّغَار وَالْكِبَار اللَّائِي قَدْ اِنْقَطَعَ مِنْهُنَّ الْحَيْض وَذَوَات الْحَمْل قَالَ فَأُنْزِلَتْ الَّتِي فِي النِّسَاء الْقُصْرَى " وَاَللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنْ الْمَحِيض مِنْ نِسَائِكُمْ إِنْ اِرْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَة أَشْهُر وَاَللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ " وَقَوْله تَعَالَى " وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ " يَقُول تَعَالَى وَمَنْ كَانَتْ حَامِلًا فَعِدَّتُهَا بِوَضْعِهِ وَلَوْ كَانَ بَعْد الطَّلَاق أَوْ الْمَوْت بِفَوَاقِ نَاقَة فِي قَوْل جُمْهُور الْعُلَمَاء مِنْ السَّلَف وَالْخَلَف كَمَا هُوَ نَصُّ هَذِهِ الْآيَة الْكَرِيمَة وَكَمَا وَرَدَتْ بِهِ السُّنَّةُ النَّبَوِيَّة وَقَدْ رُوِيَ عَنْ عَلِيّ وَابْن عَبَّاس رَضِيَ اللَّه عَنْهُمَا أَنَّهُمَا ذَهَبَا فِي الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجهَا أَنَّهَا تَعْتَدّ بِأَبْعَد الْأَجَلَيْنِ مِنْ الْوَضْع وَالْأَشْهُر عَمَلًا بِهَذِهِ الْآيَة وَاَلَّتِي فِي سُورَة الْبَقَرَة وَقَالَ الْبُخَارِيّ ثَنَا سَعِيد بْن حَفْص ثَنَا شَيْبَان عَنْ يَحْيَى قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو سَلَمَة قَالَ : جَاءَ رَجُل إِلَى اِبْن عَبَّاس وَأَبُو هُرَيْرَة جَالِس فَقَالَ أَفْتِنِي فِي اِمْرَأَة وُلِدَتْ بَعْد زَوْجهَا بِأَرْبَعِينَ لَيْلَة فَقَالَ اِبْن عَبَّاس آخِر الْأَجَلَيْنِ قُلْت أَنَا " وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلهنَّ " قَالَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَة أَنَا مَعَ اِبْن أَخِي - يَعْنِي أَبَا سَلَمَة - فَأَرْسَلَ اِبْن عَبَّاس غُلَامه كُرَيْبًا إِلَى أَمِّ سَلَمَة يَسْأَلهَا قَالَتْ : قُتِلَ زَوْج سُبَيْعَة الْأَسْلَمِيَّة وَهِيَ حُبْلَى فَوَضَعَتْ بَعْد مَوْته بِأَرْبَعِينَ لَيْلَة فَخُطِبَتْ فَأَنْكَحَهَا رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَكَانَ أَبُو السَّنَابِل فِيمَنْ خَطَبَهَا هَكَذَا أَوْرَدَ الْبُخَارِيّ هَذَا الْحَدِيث هَاهُنَا مُخْتَصَرًا وَقَدْ رَوَاهُ هُوَ وَمُسْلِم وَأَصْحَاب الْكُتُب مُطَوَّلًا مِنْ وُجُوه أُخَر وَقَالَ الْإِمَام أَحْمَد : ثَنَا حَمَّاد بْن أُسَامَة أَنَا هِشَام عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ الْمِسْوَر بْن مَخْرَمَة أَنَّ سُبَيْعَة الْأَسْلَمِيَّة تُوُفِّيَ عَنْهَا زَوْجهَا وَهِيَ حَامِل فَلَمْ تَمْكُث إِلَّا لَيَالِي حَتَّى وَضَعَتْ فَلَمَّا تَعَلَّتْ مِنْ نِفَاسهَا خُطِبَتْ فَاسْتَأْذَنَتْ رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فِي النِّكَاح فَأَذِنَ لَهَا أَنْ تُنْكَح فَنُكِحَتْ وَرَوَاهُ الْبُخَارِيّ فِي صَحِيحه وَمُسْلِم وَأَبُو دَاوُد وَالنَّسَائِيّ وَابْن مَاجَهْ مِنْ طُرُق عَنْهَا كَمَا قَالَ مُسْلِم بْن الْحَجَّاج حَدَّثَنِي أَبُو الطَّاهِر أَنَا اِبْن وَهْب حَدَّثَنِي يُونُس بْن يَزِيد عَنْ اِبْن شِهَاب حَدَّثَنِي عُبَيْد اللَّه بْن عَبْد اللَّه بْن عُتْبَة أَنَّ أَبَاهُ كَتَبَ إِلَى عُمَر بْن عَبْد اللَّه بْن الْأَرْقَم الزُّهْرِيّ يَأْمُرهُ أَنْ يَدْخُل عَلَى سُبَيْعَة بِنْت الْحَارِث الْأَسْلَمِيَّة فَيَسْأَلُهَا عَنْ حَدِيثهَا وَعَمَّا قَالَ لَهَا رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ حِين اِسْتَفْتَتْهُ ؟ فَكَتَبَ عُمَر بْن عَبْد اللَّه يُخْبِرهُ أَنَّ سُبَيْعَة أَخْبَرَتْهُ أَنَّهَا كَانَتْ تَحْت سَعْد بْن خَوْلَة وَكَانَ مِمَّنْ شَهِدَ بَدْرًا فَتُوُفِّيَ عَنْهَا فِي حَجَّة الْوَدَاع وَهِيَ حَامِل فَلَمْ تَنْشَب أَنْ وَضَعَتْ حَمْلَهَا بَعْد وَفَاته فَلَمَّا تَعَلَّتْ مِنْ نِفَاسهَا تَجَمَّلَتْ لِلْخُطَّابِ فَدَخَلَ عَلَيْهَا أَبُو السَّنَابِل بْن بَعْكَك فَقَالَ لَهَا مَالِي أَرَاك مُتَجَمِّلَة ؟ لَعَلَّك تَرْجِينَ النِّكَاح إِنَّك وَاَللَّه مَا أَنْتِ بِنَاكِحٍ حَتَّى تَمُرَّ عَلَيْك أَرْبَعَة أَشْهُر وَعَشْر . قَالَتْ سُبَيْعَة فَلَمَّا قَالَ لِي ذَلِكَ جَمَعْت عَلَيَّ ثِيَابِي حِين أَمْسَيْت فَأَتَيْت رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَسَأَلْته عَنْ ذَلِكَ فَأَفْتَانِي بِأَنِّي قَدْ حَلَلْت حِين وَضَعْت حَمْلِي وَأَمَرَنِي بِالتَّزْوِيجِ إِنْ بَدَا لِي هَذَا لَفْظ مُسْلِم وَرَوَاهُ الْبُخَارِيّ مُخْتَصَرًا ثُمَّ قَالَ الْبُخَارِيّ بَعْد رِوَايَته الْحَدِيث الْأَوَّل عِنْد هَذِهِ الْآيَة : وَقَالَ أَبُو سُلَيْمَان بْن حَرْب وَأَبُو النُّعْمَان ثَنَا حَمَّاد بْن زَيْد عَنْ أَيُّوب عَنْ مُحَمَّد هُوَ اِبْن سِيرِينَ قَالَ كُنْت فِي حَلْقَة فِيهَا عَبْد الرَّحْمَن بْن أَبِي لَيْلَى وَكَانَ أَصْحَابه يُعَظِّمُونَهُ فَذَكَرَ آخِر الْأَجَلَيْنِ فَحَدَّثْت بِحَدِيثِ سُبَيْعَة بِنْت الْحَارِث عَنْ عَبْد اللَّه بْن عُتْبَة قَالَ فَضَمَرَ لِي بَعْض أَصْحَابه وَقَالَ مُحَمَّد فَفَطِنْت لَهُ فَقُلْت لَهُ إِنِّي لَجَرِيء أَنْ أَكْذِبَ عَلَى عَبْد اللَّه وَهُوَ فِي نَاحِيَة الْكُوفَة قَالَ فَاسْتَحْيَا وَقَالَ لَكِنَّ عَمّه لَمْ يَقُلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَقِيت أَبَا عَطِيَّة مَالِك بْن عَامِر فَسَأَلْته فَذَهَبَ يُحَدِّثنِي بِحَدِيثِ سُبَيْعَة فَقُلْت هَلْ سَمِعْت عَنْ عَبْد اللَّه شَيْئًا ؟ فَقَالَ كُنَّا عِنْد عَبْد اللَّه فَقَالَ أَتَجْعَلُونَ عَلَيْهَا التَّغْلِيظ وَلَا تَجْعَلُونَ عَلَيْهَا الرُّخْصَة ؟ فَنَزَلَتْ سُورَة النِّسَاء الْقُصْرَى بَعْد الطُّولَى " وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ" وَرَوَاهُ اِبْن جَرِير مِنْ طَرِيق سُفْيَان بْن عُيَيْنَة وَإِسْمَاعِيل بْن عُلَيَّة عَنْ أَيُّوب بِهِ مُخْتَصَرًا وَرَوَاهُ النَّسَائِيّ فِي التَّفْسِير عَنْ مُحَمَّد بْن عَبْد الْأَعْلَى عَنْ خَالِد بْن الْحَارِث عَنْ اِبْن عَوْن عَنْ مُحَمَّد بْن سِيرِينَ فَذَكَرَهُ وَقَالَ اِبْن جَرِير : حَدَّثَنِي زَكَرِيَّا بْن يَحْيَى بْن أَبَان الْمِصْرِيّ ثَنَا سَعِيد بْن أَبِي مَرْيَم ثَنَا مُحَمَّد بْن جَعْفَر حَدَّثَنِي اِبْن شُبْرُمَة الْكُوفِيّ عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيم عَنْ عَلْقَمَة بْن قَيْس أَنَّ عَبْد اللَّه بْن مَسْعُود قَالَ : مَنْ شَاءَ لَاعَنْته مَا نَزَلَتْ" وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلُهُنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ " إِلَّا بَعْد آيَة الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجهَا قَالَ : وَإِذَا وَضَعَتْ الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجهَا فَقَدْ حَلَّتْ يُرِيد بِآيَةِ الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا " وَاَلَّذِينَ يُتَوَفَّوْنَ مِنْكُمْ وَيَذَرُونَ أَزْوَاجًا يَتَرَبَّصْنَ بِأَنْفُسِهِنَّ أَرْبَعَةَ أَشْهُرٍ وَعَشْرًا " وَقَدْ رَوَاهُ النَّسَائِيّ مِنْ حَدِيث سَعِيد بْن أَبِي مَرْيَم بِهِ ثُمَّ قَالَ اِبْن جَرِير : ثَنَا أَحْمَد بْن مَنِيع ثَنَا مُحَمَّد بْن عُبَيْد ثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيل بْن أَبِي خَالِد عَنْ الشَّعْبِيّ قَالَ : ذُكِرَ عِنْد اِبْن مَسْعُود آخِر الْأَجَلَيْنِ فَقَالَ مَنْ شَاءَ قَاسَمْته بِاَللَّهِ إِنَّ هَذِهِ الْآيَة الَّتِي فِي النِّسَاء الْقُصْرَى نَزَلَتْ بَعْد الْأَرْبَعَة الْأَشْهُر وَالْعَشْر ثُمَّ قَالَ : أَجَلُ الْحَامِلِ أَنْ تَضَعَ مَا فِي بَطْنِهَا . وَقَالَ اِبْن أَبِي حَاتِم ثَنَا أَحْمَد بْن سِنَان الْوَاسِطِي ثَنَا عَبْد الرَّحْمَن بْن مَهْدِيّ عَنْ سُفْيَان عَنْ الْأَعْمَش عَنْ أَبِي الضُّحَى عَنْ مَسْرُوق قَالَ بَلَغَ اِبْن مَسْعُود أَنَّ عَلِيًّا رَضِيَ اللَّه عَنْهُ يَقُول آخِر الْأَجَلَيْنِ فَقَالَ مَنْ شَاءَ لَاعَنْته إِنَّ الَّتِي فِي النِّسَاء الْقُصْرَى نَزَلَتْ بَعْد الْبَقَرَة " وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلهنَّ " وَرَوَاهُ أَبُو دَاوُد وَابْن مَاجَهْ مِنْ حَدِيث أَبِي مُعَاوِيَة عَنْ الْأَعْمَش . وَقَالَ عَبْد اللَّه اِبْن الْإِمَام أَحْمَد حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّد بْن أَبِي بَكْر الْمُقَدَّمِيّ أَنَا عَبْد الْوَهَّاب الثَّقَفِيّ حَدَّثَنَا الْمُثَنَّى عَنْ عَمْرو بْن شُعَيْب عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ عَبْد اللَّه بْن عَمْرو عَنْ أُبَيّ بْن كَعْب قَالَ : قُلْت لِلنَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ " وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ " الْمُطَلَّقَة ثَلَاثًا أَوْ الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجهَا ؟ فَقَالَ : هِيَ لِلْمُطَلَّقَةِ ثَلَاثًا وَلِلْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا . هَذَا حَدِيث غَرِيب جِدًّا بَلْ مُنْكَر لِأَنَّ فِي إِسْنَاده الْمُثَنَّى بْن الصَّبَّاح وَهُوَ مَتْرُوك الْحَدِيث بِمَرَّةٍ وَلَكِنْ رَوَاهُ اِبْن أَبِي حَاتِم بِسَنَدٍ آخَر فَقَالَ حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّد بْن دَاوُد السَّمَّانِيّ ثَنَا عَمْرو بْن خَالِد يَعْنِي الْحَرَّانِيّ ثَنَا اِبْن لَهِيعَة عَنْ عَمْرو بْن شُعَيْب عَنْ سَعِيد بْن الْمُسَيِّب عَنْ أُبَيّ بْن كَعْب أَنَّهُ لَمَّا نَزَلَتْ هَذِهِ الْآيَة قَالَ لِرَسُولِ اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَا أَدْرِي أَمُشْتَرَكَة أَمْ مُبْهَمَة ؟ قَالَ رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ " أَيَّة آيَة " قَالَ " أَجَلهنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلهنَّ " الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا وَالْمُطَلَّقَة ؟ قَالَ : نَعَمْ وَكَذَا رَوَاهُ اِبْن جَرِير عَنْ أَبِي كُرَيْب عَنْ مُوسَى بْن دَاوُد عَنْ اِبْن لَهِيعَة بِهِ ثُمَّ رَوَاهُ عَنْ أَبِي كُرَيْب أَيْضًا عَنْ مَالِك بْن إِسْمَاعِيل عَنْ اِبْن عُيَيْنَة عَنْ عَبْد الْكَرِيم بْن أَبِي الْمُخَارِق أَنَّهُ حَدَّثَ عَنْ أُبَيّ بْن كَعْب قَالَ : سَأَلْت رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ " وَأُولَات الْأَحْمَال أَجَلُهُنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ " قَالَ : أَجَل كُلِّ حَامِل أَنْ تَضَع مَا فِي بَطْنهَا عَبْد الْكَرِيم هَذَا ضَعِيف وَلَمْ يُدْرِكْ أُبَيًّا وَقَوْله تَعَالَى وَمَنْ يَتَّقِ اللَّه يَجْعَل لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ يُسْرًا " أَيْ يُسَهِّل لَهُ أَمْرَهُ وَيُيَسِّرُهُ عَلَيْهِ وَيَجْعَل لَهُ فَرَجًا قَرِيبًا وَمَخْرَجًا عَاجِلًا .
http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?l=arb&taf=KATHEER&nType=1&nSora=6 5&nAya=4

pretty serious stuff hah...

even el khomainy ...said what he thinks about this....

لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين ، دواما كان النكاح أو منقطعا ، و أما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة و الضم و التفخيذ فلا بأس بها حتى فى الرضيعة ، و لو وطأها قبل التسع و لم يفضها لم يترتب عليه شى‏ء غير الاثم على الاقوى ، و إن أفضاها بأن جعل مسلكى البول و الحيض واحدا أو مسلكى الحيض و الغائط واحدا حرم عليه وطؤها أبدا لكن على الاحوط فى الصورة الثانية ، و على أي حال لم تخرج عن زوجيته على الاقوى ، فيجري عليها أحكامها من التوارث و حرمة الخامسة و حرمة أختها معها و غيرها ، و يجب عليه نفقتها مادامت حية و إن طلقها بل و إن تزوجت بعد الطلاق على الاحوط ، بل لا يخلو من قوة ، و يجب عليه دية الافضاء ، و هى دية النفس ، فإذا كانت حرة فلها نصف دية الرجل مضافا إلى المهر الذي استحقته بالعقد و الدخول ، و لو دخل بزوجته بعد إكمال التسع فأفضاها لم تحرم عليه و لم تثبت الدية ، و لكن الاحوط الانفاق عليها مادامت حية و إن كان الاقوى عدم الوجوب http://www.ansar.org/arabic/radee3ah.htm

Oh ...one more thing...I mean 7adeeth...

‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏يعقوب ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏أبي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن إسحاق ‏ ‏قال وحدثني ‏ ‏حسين بن عبد الله بن عباس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عكرمة ‏ ‏مولى ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عباس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عباس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أم الفضل بنت الحارث ‏
‏أن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏رأى ‏ ‏أم حبيبة بنت عباس ‏ ‏وهي فوق الفطيم قالت فقال ‏ ‏لئن بلغت بنية ‏ ‏العباس ‏ ‏هذه وأنا حي لأتزوجنها http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=25636&doc=6

Finally another 7adeeth....

‏حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن إسمعيل ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏إبراهيم بن يحيى بن محمد بن عباد المدني ‏ ‏حدثني ‏ ‏أبي يحيى بن محمد ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏محمد بن إسحق ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏محمد بن مسلم الزهري ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عروة بن الزبير ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة ‏ ‏قالت ‏ ‏قدم ‏ ‏زيد بن حارثة ‏ ‏المدينة ‏ ‏ورسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏في بيتي فأتاه فقرع الباب فقام إليه رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏عريانا يجر ثوبه والله ما رأيته عريانا قبله ولا بعده فاعتنقه وقبله ‏
‏‏قال ‏ ‏أبو عيسى ‏ ‏هذا ‏ ‏حديث حسن غريب ‏ ‏لا نعرفه من حديث ‏ ‏الزهري ‏ ‏إلا من هذا الوجه

سنن الترمذي .. كتاب الإستئذان و الآداب عن رسول الله .. باب ما جاء في المعانقة و القبلة

Pretty impressive hah???

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ausar:
[b]Kimo, what I said about the Saudis I heard on soc.culture.egy from a poster there. I don't regret what I posted because it's true about the Saudis. That incident with the Egyptian child is very well known in many circles of people.

I know many Saudis are black but that's really not to the point. The reason why so many black Saudis exist is because their ancestors were taken as slaves. Arabs have always enslaved other African people and despised Africans. Arabs during the Middle Ages even took Egyptian slaves whose revolt were broken down because of the taxiation.

Gulf Arabs are known to be child molestors and continue to have that reputation.

Say what you like but my ancestors were ancient Egyptians and not Arabs. I am not ashamed of who I am not do i wish to be an Arab.

More Egyptians support my assumptions:

And it is very well known that many Peninsula/Gulf Arabs are sodomites
and pedophiles...remember that incidence with the Egyptian boy...they
didn't wip the Schoolteacher but the boy's father! Everyone knows the
sickness that is in these societies.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=The+Hab++Gulf+Arabs&hl=e n&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=4k6cmo%24eqv%40sam.inforamp.net&rnum=3

The Hab

posted 16 July 2004 06:37 AM            

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Originally posted by ausar:
First off,I posted it on another message board which has nothing to do what-so-ever with Arabs or Arabic people.

No arabs post on the other message board and what I was doing was not to provoke anybody.

The message board I posted on is not very serious. Could understand if you mean a listserve or a message board directly targeted to Arabs,but it's a board about Brazil. The topics on the message board are about race.

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Your excuses are even worse than your actions. You're posting false accusations about people that you know don't read where you're posting and so they won't have a chance to respond to you. Shame on you.

I assume you mean the Gulf Arabs when you say Arabs or just all Arabs? Not that it makes any difference.

posted 16 July 2004 07:16 AM            

Oh what a tangled web Alberto aka Auser weaves!...Found this under Egyptology...but he should pratice what he preached!Dont you think?

Warning!!!!
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Any more race threads than there already is then most will be deleated. If you are a poster posting under different names then your posts will be deleated also. No more race threads!! We have more than our fair share already,and please also comment on the non-race related topics about AE soceity. Enough is Enough!!!

posted 16 July 2004 09:58 AM            

As far as the comment about the streotype of Upper Egyptians being stupid. one of the finest intellectuals came from Minya named Taha Hussein. You must know him that he probabaly has made more impact upon Egypt than given credit.

One again I never posted those comments on this message board. It was another message board that I posted the comments. The post had absolutely nothing to do with this board. I followed my advice and have never posted anything about race in the Living in Egypt sectrion.

posted 16 July 2004 09:59 AM            

As far as the comment about the streotype of Upper Egyptians being stupid. one of the finest intellectuals came from Minya named Taha Hussein. You must know him that he probabaly has made more impact upon Egypt than given credit.

One again I never posted those comments on this message board. It was another message board that I posted the comments. The post had absolutely nothing to do with this board. I followed my advice and have never posted anything about race in the Living in Egypt sectrion.

posted 16 July 2004 10:31 AM            

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So why did you post it in the first place...what was the purpose?..Excuse me I am stupid and I cant figure out why one would go through all this trouble and explaining if he wasnt guilty. .

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When did I say I was not guilty. I admitted to posted the following thread on another message board. You apparently did not read my statement. I posted it because I don't like Gulf Arabs. Gulf Arabs are not very nice people to Egyptians,so I don't particularly like them. My motives were very clear,and I followed through with what I said.

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Your excuses are even worse than your actions. You're posting false accusations about people that you know don't read where you're posting and so they won't have a chance to respond to you. Shame on you.

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What was false about what I said. Gulf Arabs are known across the Arab world as sodomites. Nothing is made up as an accusation. For the record,there is also a chatter on this particular message board who claims to be Arabic. I never made any execuses for my actions.

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Oh and what you say about the people from the Delta is as meaningless as what people say about Upper Egyptians being stupid for example, blondes having no brains, and black people being such and such.

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I have nothing against Delta Egyptians. They're fellow Egyptians. I just know what goes on and what my family members tell me about shaabi and balady neighboorhoods in Cairo. Saidi and Delta Egyptians sometimes have street fights. The streotype about us Upper Egyptians is we are stupid and have hot attitudes.

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Oh what a tangled web Alberto aka Auser weaves!...Found this under Egyptology...but he should pratice what he preached!Dont you think?

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I do! I never posted any race threads or started a flame war about race on the Living in Egypt section. What I do on other boards is really my own buiness. Has no bearing on this message board.

posted 16 July 2004 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by ausar:
dajjal,my father does not work in the Gulf Arab countries but many of my relatives do. None are adolesant boys so they don't have much to worry about. Some Gulf Arab tries and will get an asskicking Saidi style.

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posted 17 July 2004 06:30 AM            

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Originally posted by ausar:

I just know what goes on and what my family members tell me about shaabi and balady neighboorhoods in Cairo. Saidi and Delta Egyptians sometimes have street fights.

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posted 18 July 2004 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Alabanda:
Then trust me there is a big difference between what happens in reality in what you call your country and what your family tells you.

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posted 18 July 2004 06:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Mokoo:
Most Gulf Arabs are sex freaks I agree ASAR

[This message has been edited by Mokoo (edited 16 July 2004).]

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posted 18 July 2004 07:12 AM            

lol Kimo....I'm sure you're a good guy...seriously...I'm sure that most people here are wonderful educated human beings...but that CAN NOT humble problems like the ones we are discussing...Egyptians are not Arabs...and some Arabs are child abusers "known by that"...get over it...and read facts and history...You have it all up there...I did all the researches for you...you don't even have to move your behind and go somewhere to look it up...I brought it all to you...
Toz Feek too!!!

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Originally posted by kimo_the_maniac:
Toz feek

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posted 18 July 2004 08:44 AM            

And some of the fundamentalists in Sudan try to justify slavery of blacks even today, could that also be because the prophet had slaves, are these people trying to live their life like it was 2000 years ago? Times have changed its time to get out of the dark ages!!!

posted 18 July 2004 09:18 AM            

And believe it or not, but no religion bans slavery. Not Judaism and Christianity (two religions that actually encourage it). Not even eastern religions despite the fact that they are vogue now. And BTW those people practicing slavery in Sudan are ALL blacks. The masters are black and the slaves are black. In fact Islam shows very little tolerance for slavery, encouraging the freeing of slaves in every occasion, and stressing that race is not an issue. Which is more than could be said for Judaism and Christianity given the notorious passage in genesis about the projeny of Ham.