posted 08 August 2004 03:32 AM            

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Originally posted by EgyptLady:
Okay so now can someone please tell me what's up with men kissing their girlfriends or wives in public???

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posted 08 August 2004 04:44 AM            

as Ashkar said, it is about modesty.

The question is: why would a man kiss his g/f in the street in front of all the strangers? to show off? to show what he has and his brother hasn't?

Islam is a big deal about protecting dignity, honor and modesty in all aspects of life and society. What will the young man next to the couple think, who is not able at the moment to get married, or has not even found the right one for him, or the shy girl, who is passing by and gets intimidated by the scene, and what do children think about it who get raised on very different standards of moral? and the group of young men in their puberty standing there smoking enjoying the full view laughing and joking?

such 'innocent' kiss in public can incite the others to jealousy, bad feelings, suspicions, backtalking and destroy reputations - are they really married or not? - up to if she is only his g/f, then maybe I could stand a chance with her, too? and anything that causes harm or bad feelings or haram (forbidden) thoughts to our fellow brothers and sisters, we simply don't do to protect them and us, their feelings and ours.

Dignity and honor is something with very high value in Egypt, and if you ask this man in the street, if he'd approve of his sister or daughter kissing her lover in the street like he did just now, he'll throw a tantrum and certainly refuse the idea and threaten anyone who would just be thinking about it.

See, what does this tell us about the morals, standards of this man and his sincerety and love towards his partner? and this is exactly the message the people in the street will get about the situation; that she is a cheap girl and he does not care about her...

posted 08 August 2004 09:01 AM            

Dignity and honor is something with very high value in Egypt,

posted 08 August 2004 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Dalia:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by EgyptLady:
[b]Okay so now can someone please tell me what's up with men kissing their girlfriends or wives in public???

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posted 08 August 2004 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Gogo:
Dalia, men don't kiss their girlfriends or wives on the cheek!

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posted 08 August 2004 04:34 PM            

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Dalia, men don't kiss their girlfriends or wives on the cheek!

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I just don't like people smooching in public, that's all. I don't think it's a major scandal that might cause all the complications Karin mentions, but to me a kiss is something rather intimate, and I don't want to be forced to watch people doing it, just as I wouldn't want other people watching me when I kiss someone.

I've seen it a lot back home when sitting behind a couple on the subway or standing on a street ... I just think it's pretty rude.

posted 08 August 2004 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by asiaq:

Dignity and honor is something with very high value in Egypt,

YES we hear that every day on this board !!!!

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Starting something here?

posted 08 August 2004 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Sarinah:
I have been reading the postings to the topic of kissing in public.
Do you not think that it is up to the people that are doing it whether it is right or wrong? If they feel ashamed about it they will stop. If they don't they will continue.
Remember that only Allah can judge us on what we do right or wrong. We do not have that right.

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i noticed you're a new member..and i welcome your insight since its refreshing, honest and true...

posted 09 August 2004 02:23 AM            

Karin told it exactly as it is.

posted 10 August 2004 01:17 AM            

Kissing in public of a woman and a man in Egypt is haraam. One of the first rules every foreigner should know and respect.

posted 10 August 2004 01:33 AM            

I think there be some restrictions on such acts in the Egyptian law, because it is against Egyptians traditions of decency.

May be he knows this, kissing in public could carry a penalty of five years in jail.

And U must ask about jail in Egypt...

posted 10 August 2004 03:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Adoula:
I think it is not only an issue in Islam or Christianity.

I think there be some restrictions on such acts in the Egyptian law, because it is against Egyptians traditions of decency.

May be he knows this, kissing in public could carry a penalty of five years in jail.

And U must ask about jail in Egypt...

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posted 14 August 2004 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by madmax:
not worth it

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posted 17 August 2004 03:41 AM            

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Originally posted by EgyptLady:
Samia maybe I think seeing a woman all covered up in America is degrading and DISGUSTING and BACKWARDS and she should have the right to cover her body any way she like.

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But that is the way she wants to cover her body so what is your problem

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But the thing about this is that you Learn to RESPECT EVERYONES ideals and cultural differences. So I get over it and accept that that is how THEY WILL Dress but not me personally SOOOOO I WILL KISS MY MAN IN PUBLIC IN EGYPT! And if YOU DON'T LIKE IT... DOn'T LOOK!

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So you are going to show respect to Egypt and Egyptians by kissing in public. Wow they will certainly impress them. And they will show their respect(none) to you for your action.

I am amazed that your Egyptian husband shows his respect to you by doing this. His respect to you must be really high (not). Normally a husband would never do anything to bring his wifes reputation into disrespect by family, friends and the community.

posted 17 August 2004 09:43 AM            

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Originally posted by welsafty:
Well< as Dalia said before , there is a big difference when it comes the what type of a kiss< a simple kiss on a check is not like a French kiss of course,
it is not only something we see in Egypt,
even in the states, some people don’t like to show public affection, it is just that in Egypt you have a combination of tradition, religion , and ( well you can call it modesty if you like), something else< you may not believe me because I didn’t believe it myself < back while ago I was out with couple of friends in Michigan and one of my friends got a TECKIT for kissing his girlfriend in public< it was what Dalia calls a smooch , and the police officer insisted to write the ticket and explained it to us that there is a law against it in Michigan and he have the right to ticket anyone who perform an act of public indecency< of course my friend fought the ticket in the court and took us as witnesses, and we witnessed that he wasn’t doing anything obscene or indecent , the Judge dismissed the case of course but after we have learned that even the American laws sometimes doesn’t see public affection as easy as we all think
so you see Penny < if there is a law in Egypt against public Kissing it is also back home, the difference is that in Egypt ( By some luck) the law and the common values meet when it comes to showing public affection, Me myself< I have no problem doing anything in public if I didn’t think it is wrong, and if I felt like kissing my girlfriend, so be it , Oh and Penny , No Americans can ever get jailed in egypt unless the have Committed a Haines crime < and if the embassy didn’t want to get involved< and I suggest to anyone who doubt , to go to a public square in cir and kiss her or his Boyfriend/girlfriend husband/or wife, or significant other and see if anyone cares < maybe you will get this strange look < but still no one cares ( well maybe when it is SIGNIFICANT Other )

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posted 24 August 2004 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by alliamuslimah:
wow so they think its disgusting and backwards to cover the body ...amazing...you know what i find is backwards and disgusting? well the fact that before i became muslim i spent 23 years dressing my sexy 6 foot tall slender body and wearing high heels until one day i found islam and discovered that covering my body and not showing off all of my assets to every tom dick and harry actually made me feel quite liberated..from what you might ask? well i was liberated from having to have the latest hairstyle...annoying feeling of hairspray to live up to the "in look"...the aching feeling of wearing high heels to have that ultra feminine sex bomb appearance...the thong underwear that never stopped riding up my butt oh and the underwire push up bra that always seemed to get a hole in the part where the metal wire pokes out and stabs my boob...not to mention the mini skirt that i had to always double check and make sure my underwear dont show...so now when i throw on my long simple dress and quickly wrap a scarfe over my hair i feel incredibly clean, respectable and free from being a slave to the sex industry that never allows women to ever feel they are pretty enough, likable enough or seductive enough..and now insteade of two failed marriages to men who cheated on me i have one faithful loving gentle husband who's eyes never wander to any girl in the street...so if you want to have a young gorgeous doctor who will treat you like a queen and never cheat you, like i found in my husband, my advice is to be modest and respectful because good men never go for easy women who dont respect thier bodies...they only use them for small favors until they find wife material...and the real good ones like my husband wait until after they marry you and commit to you before they ever dare lay a hand on you.
before you all start crying and complaining about what i just said and debating what true freedom is...take one look on your t.v. screen and tell me how many women you see half naked and then tell me why? ill make it easier for you all and tell you why...because women sell themselves to get ahead because the men are ruled by their eyes and their penis in the west and now its seeping into our communities...but guess what? we do not want those kind here... they use their bodies and do not value their femininity, sexuality or beauty at all and they allow men to use them as objects to fulfill their desires. sex sells ladies but i wont sell myself for nobody and you shouldnt be fooled by all the garbage the media feeds your minds.
alhamdulillah i found islam,,,and im a queen in my home....about kissing in public....i think you have a lot of growing up to do if your mentality is so low that you insist you must display your lustful desires for the world to see...especially when we clearly do not wish to see it. and as for jealousy...haha as if...i have nothing to be jealous of, my husband is ready anytime...he is egyptian...the best of lovers. he respects me too much to let other people see what is only for his pleasure...he doesnt share his wife.
have fun tearing this one apart.
salam alykum to my bro's and sisters

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Do you need to go from a bombshell look to embracing Islam just to get rid of such habits and cover up to learn the value of virtues and decency?

posted 24 August 2004 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by foreigngirl:
Living in America, people would be surprised that the culture really is kind of conserative (except for the spring break scenes) For example, nude bathing is a European thing.

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You are right. America is more conservative than many think about it.

posted 24 August 2004 10:19 PM            

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Originally posted by katrina:
You are right. America is more conservative than many think about it.

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posted 24 August 2004 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by welsafty:
Well< as Dalia said before , there is a big difference when it comes the what type of a kiss< a simple kiss on a check is not like a French kiss of course,
it is not only something we see in Egypt,
even in the states, some people don’t like to show public affection, it is just that in Egypt you have a combination of tradition, religion , and ( well you can call it modesty if you like), something else< you may not believe me because I didn’t believe it myself < back while ago I was out with couple of friends in Michigan and one of my friends got a TECKIT for kissing his girlfriend in public< it was what Dalia calls a smooch , and the police officer insisted to write the ticket and explained it to us that there is a law against it in Michigan and he have the right to ticket anyone who perform an act of public indecency< of course my friend fought the ticket in the court and took us as witnesses, and we witnessed that he wasn’t doing anything obscene or indecent , the Judge dismissed the case of course but after we have learned that even the American laws sometimes doesn’t see public affection as easy as we all think
so you see Penny < if there is a law in Egypt against public Kissing it is also back home, the difference is that in Egypt ( By some luck) the law and the common values meet when it comes to showing public affection, Me myself< I have no problem doing anything in public if I didn’t think it is wrong, and if I felt like kissing my girlfriend, so be it , Oh and Penny , No Americans can ever get jailed in egypt unless the have Committed a Haines crime < and if the embassy didn’t want to get involved< and I suggest to anyone who doubt , to go to a public square in cir and kiss her or his Boyfriend/girlfriend husband/or wife, or significant other and see if anyone cares < maybe you will get this strange look < but still no one cares ( well maybe when it is SIGNIFICANT Other )

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It is true there are laws in many states for violation of indecency and public exposure

posted 24 August 2004 10:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Karah_Mia:

Too bad!!!!!

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posted 24 August 2004 10:34 PM            

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Originally posted by katrina:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Karah_Mia:
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Too bad!!!!!

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Doing my best, girl! In all honesty, America is more conservative than most of the European countries. What's funny, a lot of Americans believe they live in moral Hell and they haven't even seen Amsterdam by night meaning they ain't seen nothing yet.

posted 25 August 2004 01:35 AM            

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Originally posted by alliamuslimah:
well the fact that before i became muslim i spent 23 years dressing my sexy 6 foot tall slender body and wearing high heels until one day i found islam and discovered that covering my body and not showing off all of my assets to every tom dick and harry actually made me feel quite liberated..from what you might ask? well i was liberated from having to have the latest hairstyle...annoying feeling of hairspray to live up to the "in look"...the aching feeling of wearing high heels to have that ultra feminine sex bomb appearance...the thong underwear that never stopped riding up my butt oh and the underwire push up bra that always seemed to get a hole in the part where the metal wire pokes out and stabs my boob...not to mention the mini skirt that i had to always double check and make sure my underwear dont show...

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I am not a Muslim, yet I never felt the need to "show off all my assets", wear underwire push up bras, high heels and the likes. Neither do most of the women I know.

You're using a stereotype to defend another stereotype which reminds me of a story I've read several times, it's used to illustrate how Islam liberates women, and it describes two (fictional) twin sisters, one dressed in hijab, the other one wearing the kind of outfit you're describing and of course the one dressed in hijab gets much more respect etc. ...

posted 25 August 2004 05:32 AM            

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Originally posted by alliamuslimah:
wow so they think its disgusting and backwards to cover the body ...amazing...you know what i find is backwards and disgusting? well the fact that before i became muslim i spent 23 years dressing my sexy 6 foot tall slender body and wearing high heels until one day i found islam and discovered that covering my body and not showing off all of my assets to every tom dick and harry actually made me feel quite liberated..from what you might ask? well i was liberated from having to have the latest hairstyle...annoying feeling of hairspray to live up to the "in look"...the aching feeling of wearing high heels to have that ultra feminine sex bomb appearance...the thong underwear that never stopped riding up my butt oh and the underwire push up bra that always seemed to get a hole in the part where the metal wire pokes out and stabs my boob...not to mention the mini skirt that i had to always double check and make sure my underwear dont show...so now when i throw on my long simple dress and quickly wrap a scarfe over my hair i feel incredibly clean, respectable and free from being a slave to the sex industry that never allows women to ever feel they are pretty enough, likable enough or seductive enough..and now insteade of two failed marriages to men who cheated on me i have one faithful loving gentle husband who's eyes never wander to any girl in the street...so if you want to have a young gorgeous doctor who will treat you like a queen and never cheat you, like i found in my husband, my advice is to be modest and respectful because good men never go for easy women who dont respect thier bodies...they only use them for small favors until they find wife material...and the real good ones like my husband wait until after they marry you and commit to you before they ever dare lay a hand on you.
before you all start crying and complaining about what i just said and debating what true freedom is...take one look on your t.v. screen and tell me how many women you see half naked and then tell me why? ill make it easier for you all and tell you why...because women sell themselves to get ahead because the men are ruled by their eyes and their penis in the west and now its seeping into our communities...but guess what? we do not want those kind here... they use their bodies and do not value their femininity, sexuality or beauty at all and they allow men to use them as objects to fulfill their desires. sex sells ladies but i wont sell myself for nobody and you shouldnt be fooled by all the garbage the media feeds your minds.
alhamdulillah i found islam,,,and im a queen in my home....about kissing in public....i think you have a lot of growing up to do if your mentality is so low that you insist you must display your lustful desires for the world to see...especially when we clearly do not wish to see it. and as for jealousy...haha as if...i have nothing to be jealous of, my husband is ready anytime...he is egyptian...the best of lovers. he respects me too much to let other people see what is only for his pleasure...he doesnt share his wife.
have fun tearing this one apart.
salam alykum to my bro's and sisters

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posted 25 August 2004 07:26 AM            

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Originally posted by christina44:
i think we should just all respect each other as who we r culturaly and religously....

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Thanks girl, I really can not exist without a hairspray!

posted 25 August 2004 11:29 AM            

And also I am shocked of Arabic people thinking it's OK to kiss and hold hands in public if you are of the same sex. Believe me, if you live in Europe this is NOT OK.

posted 25 August 2004 06:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Lori:
I do not favor kissing in public, even the hug and peck on the cheek you give to good friends. However, I am baffled about people of the same sex who hold hands and kiss in public in Egypt.

And also I am shocked of Arabic people thinking it's OK to kiss and hold hands in public if you are of the same sex. Believe me, if you live in Europe this is NOT OK.

I have women friends, nice normal married women originally from Arabic countries, who want to walk on the street holding hands or arm in arm. I would welcome advice on how to discourage them from doing this without appearing rude.

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posted 25 August 2004 09:30 PM            

On the other hand couples do not usually kiss and hugg in public, because its not acceptable there.

So their outlet is to express this with their buddies and friends of the same sex. It might seem "strange" to you but thats how the culture is and I don't see anything bad about it. (that's my opinion)