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7aya Member Posts: 1340 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 10 October 2005 12:56 PM Anybody knows the real story of those two? I heard like ten different versions. I'd be interested to know, because I've always been fascinated by their story! thanks IP: Logged
Kamal211 Member Posts: 292 Registered: Jun 2005	posted 10 October 2005 02:22 PM It would be nice if you posted one version of the ten IP: Logged
Sora Member Posts: 71 Registered: Jun 2005	posted 10 October 2005 03:34 PM I heard that they were 2 sisters living in Alex making a living by selling materials back in the 40s or 50s. They would visit homes to sell their materials then tell their female customers that they have more materials at their own home if they wanted to have a look at. Once the customer comes to the sister's home, they would kill her and steel her jewels and golds on her. They buried the bodies in their living room..... Their home is just beside a police station and this house still exists!!! This is all what I have heard about them. I am interested to know other versions if any! Ramadan Kareem IP: Logged
Karah_Mia Member Posts: 1334 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 10 October 2005 03:44 PM quote: Originally posted by 7aya: Anybody knows the real story of those two? I heard like ten different versions. I'd be interested to know, because I've always been fascinated by their story! thanks Their story in a form of an Egyptian TV series is televised daily on ART (evenings) channel. It covers their lives way back into the past and kind of sheds light on the motifs behind the killings. It has no English subtitles so I am staring on TV like an idiot, but just the 'visual part' alone makes me interested to come back next day... IP: Logged
Kamal211 Member Posts: 292 Registered: Jun 2005	posted 10 October 2005 04:00 PM Oh my.... Is this a true story???? Where about in Alex? quote: Originally posted by Sora: I heard that they were 2 sisters living in Alex making a living by selling materials back in the 40s or 50s. They would visit homes to sell their materials then tell their female customers that they have more materials at their own home if they wanted to have a look at. Once the customer comes to the sister's home, they would kill her and steel her jewels and golds on her. They buried the bodies in their living room..... Their home is just beside a police station and this house still exists!!! This is all what I have heard about them. I am interested to know other versions if any! Ramadan Kareem IP: Logged
7aya Member Posts: 1340 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 10 October 2005 04:01 PM quote: Originally posted by Karah_Mia: Their story in a form of an Egyptian TV series is televised daily on ART (evenings) channel. It covers their lives way back into the past and kind of sheds light on the motifs behind the killings. It has no English subtitles so I am staring on TV like an idiot, but just the 'visual part' alone makes me interested to come back next day... hehe yeah i know i watch the series. but the thing is the egyptian public have been fascinated by them for years. their story was made into several movies, one serious and two comedy, plus a really famous and hillarious pplay. however, as i said there are so many versions. i'm not even sure if the current series give the most accurate story. i mean they've cast the beautiful actress sommaya el khashab as Raya, who is supposed to be a sexy vixen who belly dances for a living, and is chased by men. however, i've seen their pics in the citadel, and believe me neither one of them is beautiful. infact they are the scariest and ugliest women i've ever seen!! IP: Logged
Sora Member Posts: 71 Registered: Jun 2005	posted 10 October 2005 04:24 PM My neigbour tells me it is at saba benet Street (7 girls) in down town. This does not mean that 7 girls were killed there... it has been called so before them. IP: Logged
7aya Member Posts: 1340 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 10 October 2005 04:33 PM quote: Originally posted by Sora: My neigbour tells me it is at saba benet Street (7 girls) in down town. This does not mean that 7 girls were killed there... it has been called so before them. well the one fact i know, is that they moved several times. but probably the house in 7 banat was the last one! thanks sora for the info IP: Logged
Corvinous Member Posts: 1487 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 10 October 2005 04:44 PM 7asra 3aleha ya 7asra 3aleha ya 7asra 3alehaaaaaaaaa el malla7a wel malla7a we habibti malow el tora7a ... wana eh zanby, labaly elmandil el banby ya7'ti 3aleha we ya7'ti 3aleha we ya7'ti 3alehaaaaaaaaa That is my add to the version IP: Logged
Corvinous Member Posts: 1487 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 10 October 2005 04:47 PM 7aya, why were not you born in Alexandria at that time ??????? you would have been the ideal candidate IP: Logged
Corvinous Member Posts: 1487 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 10 October 2005 04:50 PM if you wanna see their pictures, go to the Police Museum in the Citadelle of Saladin, they displayed their pictures there last time I visited, I hope you don't find some smiliraties between your n some of their features LOL IP: Logged
Troubles101 Member Posts: 1529 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 10 October 2005 11:40 PM They were all hanged in 1921. I read the real story and there is much similarities. They were discovered by chance. The Bukhoor thng is real they used it to cover the smell of dead bodies they hide under the floor, but of course they didn't do it all by themselves, their husbands and other men helped in killing while they brought the women.They killed like 20 women or something. Sekenah had many affairs with men...It's one f'd up family. What's interesting was during the confesssion, how Bade'ah the daughtur of Raya tried to blame it all on Sakeenah and save her Mom while Sakeenah tried to save her husband who she loved alot. Still some love was their in those hearts IP: Logged
7aya Member Posts: 1340 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 11 October 2005 09:22 AM quote: Originally posted by Troubles101: They were all hanged in 1921. I read the real story and there is much similarities. They were discovered by chance. The Bukhoor thng is real they used it to cover the smell of dead bodies they hide under the floor, but of course they didn't do it all by themselves, their husbands and other men helped in killing while they brought the women.They killed like 20 women or something. Sekenah had many affairs with men...It's one f'd up family. What's interesting was during the confesssion, how Bade'ah the daughtur of Raya tried to blame it all on Sakeenah and save her Mom while Sakeenah tried to save her husband who she loved alot. Still some love was their in those hearts wow that is very interesting! thanks ya troubles. so they got their poor daughter involved too, hmmmm. and which one of the dozens of men that skeena flirted with was her husband at the time of capture? ya lawhi. wallahi deeh 7aga tekhawef! IP: Logged
tukker Member Posts: 46 Registered: Oct 2005	posted 11 October 2005 09:24 AM I know Raya...wanna heer phone number..?? IP: Logged
Columbo Member Posts: 163 Registered: Oct 2005	posted 11 October 2005 09:48 AM quote: Originally posted by 7aya: ugliest women i've ever seen!! This confirms my theory that ugly people are psychopaths, or at least sociopaths. IP: Logged
Snoozin Member Posts: 2069 Registered: Dec 2004	posted 11 October 2005 10:07 AM quote: Originally posted by 7aya: Anybody knows the real story of those two? I heard like ten different versions. I'd be interested to know, because I've always been fascinated by their story! thanks 7aya, This sounds a lot like an old folk tale I've heard, but I thought it was Viking or something. I also read a novel years ago, maybe young adult fiction, I'm not sure, similar to this. But it was the Skein of Life or something like that. Skein (pronounced skayn) is a big loop of yarn wound in a loose coil. The legend is one sister would weave the thread of life, the other sister would measure it (i.e. how long your life would last) and the third sister would cut it (end your life). I dunno if it's related or not, the cooincidence of thread/sewing/cloth and death just struck me. IP: Logged
Snoozin Member Posts: 2069 Registered: Dec 2004	posted 11 October 2005 10:18 AM I'm an idiot. What I was referring to were the Fates in Greek Mythology. A lot of other fiction is based on these three. Like the three weird sisters in MacBeth. But I guess it probably has nothing to do with your story since you've only got two sisters. The Fates Daughters of Zeus and Themis, their names are: Clotho, Lachesis and Atropos, known as The Fates. Life is woven by Clotho, measured by Lachesis and the thread of life is cut by Atropos. The Fates are old and predate the gods. It is not entirely clear how far their power extends. It is possible that they determine the fate of the gods as well. Not even the most powerful is willing to trifle with them. [This message has been edited by Snoozin (edited 11 October 2005).] IP: Logged
Karah_Mia Member Posts: 1334 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 11 October 2005 11:08 AM quote: Originally posted by Troubles101: They were all hanged in 1921. I read the real story and there is much similarities. They were discovered by chance. The Bukhoor thng is real they used it to cover the smell of dead bodies they hide under the floor, but of course they didn't do it all by themselves, their husbands and other men helped in killing while they brought the women.They killed like 20 women or something. Sekenah had many affairs with men...It's one f'd up family. What's interesting was during the confesssion, how Bade'ah the daughtur of Raya tried to blame it all on Sakeenah and save her Mom while Sakeenah tried to save her husband who she loved alot. Still some love was their in those hearts I think theirs was the example of human endurance of powerty, pain and hopelessness pushed way too far... Their life sucked to the point of a breakdown. I honestly feel sorry for both them and their victims. IP: Logged
Karah_Mia Member Posts: 1334 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 11 October 2005 11:12 AM I almost forgot: when Sekeena does her belly dancing thing my husband leaves the room mumbling something about fast, breaking, and unfair. And a breathtaking beast she is indeed! IP: Logged
Troubles101 Member Posts: 1529 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 11 October 2005 12:33 PM quote: Originally posted by Karah_Mia: I almost forgot: when Sekeena does her belly dancing thing my husband leaves the room mumbling something about fast, breaking, and unfair. And a breathtaking beast she is indeed! Hehe I don't leave.. I sit and say "ya rab yewla3o" may they burn, this is when I'm alone but with other guys, they have a hell of words to say, I just say "Amen" .. IP: Logged
Troubles101 Member Posts: 1529 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 11 October 2005 12:52 PM quote: Originally posted by 7aya: wow that is very interesting! thanks ya troubles. so they got their poor daughter involved too, hmmmm. and which one of the dozens of men that skeena flirted with was her husband at the time of capture? ya lawhi. wallahi deeh 7aga tekhawef! I don't think their daughtur was involved in the crimes but she agreed to be a witness and confess what she saw but she tried to blame it all on Sakeenah. according to Sakeenah, it was Raya who brought her to that way when she once visited her when Sakeena was sick with a swoellen leg . Raya took sakeena with her to her home and in their way, Raya reminded her of a woman she knew and said she got alot of jewellery and said that they should upset this annoying woman...when they reached sakeenah found that woman dead in Raya's home, she got scared but Abdul Al'al and the other gang threatened her and then she got used to it when they gave her money. Sakeenah's husband was Abdul al'al I guess, he was a young man who fell in love with Sakeenah and despite his family requests to leave her, he kept loving her. It's hard really to kow what happened exactly as everyone seemed to have a story and it was Raya or sakeenah who was questioned many times in police station and everytime went out without being accused because of how talented they were in deceiving others IP: Logged
7aya Member Posts: 1340 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 11 October 2005 04:58 PM quote: Originally posted by Troubles101: I don't think their daughtur was involved in the crimes but she agreed to be a witness and confess what she saw but she tried to blame it all on Sakeenah. according to Sakeenah, it was Raya who brought her to that way when she once visited her when Sakeena was sick with a swoellen leg . Raya took sakeena with her to her home and in their way, Raya reminded her of a woman she knew and said she got alot of jewellery and said that they should upset this annoying woman...when they reached sakeenah found that woman dead in Raya's home, she got scared but Abdul Al'al and the other gang threatened her and then she got used to it when they gave her money. Sakeenah's husband was Abdul al'al I guess, he was a young man who fell in love with Sakeenah and despite his family requests to leave her, he kept loving her. It's hard really to kow what happened exactly as everyone seemed to have a story and it was Raya or sakeenah who was questioned many times in police station and everytime went out without being accused because of how talented they were in deceiving others wow troubles thanks. how come you all know this? did you read something about them? snoozin, raya and skeena are not fictional characters, they are real egyptian serial killers who were captured, tried and executed by the egyptian police! thanks everyone for the info!! IP: Logged
Snoozin Member Posts: 2069 Registered: Dec 2004	posted 11 October 2005 07:00 PM quote: Originally posted by 7aya: snoozin, raya and skeena are not fictional characters, they are real egyptian serial killers who were captured, tried and executed by the egyptian police! thanks everyone for the info!! Sorry! The story just sounded too much like a fable to me. That's awful that it's real! IP: Logged
Kamal211 Member Posts: 292 Registered: Jun 2005	posted 11 October 2005 07:13 PM quote: Originally posted by 7aya: [B] snoozin, raya and skeena are not fictional characters, they are real egyptian serial killers who were captured, tried and executed by the egyptian police! B] I thought raya and skeena were the victiims here not the serial killers? The two girls who use to belly dance, or sell things on peoples dooor IP: Logged
Troubles101 Member Posts: 1529 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 12 October 2005 05:22 AM quote: Originally posted by 7aya: wow troubles thanks. how come you all know this? did you read something about them? ... It was a booklet with documents containing pictures and story according to police files. I think it said that Raya and Sakeenah were the first women to be hanged in Egypt as before this time death penatly happened outside the prison and they didn't allow women to be seen like that but with Raya and sakeenah they built places for hanging inside the prison. Can you imagine the reaction of the crowd praticulary the families of the dead ppl when they saw Raya and Sakeenah in the court? IP: Logged
infamousangel55 Junior Member Posts: 1 Registered: Oct 2005	posted 19 October 2005 01:04 PM raya and sakeena (sakina)... i searched the internet and finally went al ahram newspaper stories to get the information... this is the information i have at this time... from the pictures in the newspaper articles i do not see them as so scary... nor was raya fat as depicted in television series... they actually look like any women of the early 1920's... so hope you all enjoy the story... it is interesting that in my search i found that most things seem to regard as women that were given too much freedom and the case was used by muslim brotherhood and others to try to enforce laws to keep women in the home... i found an interesting article that downloaded to acrobat reader explaining this... http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/1999/434/chrncls.htm IP: Logged

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