posted 11 January 2005 05:33 PM            

I live in America, I m a professor at a major college in the states. My father is Egyptian/ mother american. I was raised in Egypt, my father is a doctor. I visit my relatives in Egypt in the summer most of the time.

posted 31 January 2005 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by carolina9:
Misplaced, I'm a 22 yo American young woman dating a 26 yo Egyptian man for 6 months. I am intrigued by your story. I love Esam (the man) and we talk about marriage- not for a couple years though! But i'm scared I'll be pressured to move to Egypt, far from my parents and siblings. Also, I'm scared of these stories about kidnapping and domineering Arab men and what not. Did you encounter any of this? are you happy with the move? whose idea was it- his or your's? did you move b/c he couldn't get a US visa?
any reply would be welcomed! thank you.

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posted 31 January 2005 11:41 PM            

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Originally posted by carolina9:
oh no, we both live now in America. we met in NYC this past summer and now i'm finishing my last year of University and he's still in Manhattan. so the distance is far but it's not international travel! ha ha. by the way, he was a professional civil engineer over in Cairo and he's having trouble finding work here. Any suggestions?

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posted 03 April 2005 12:29 PM            

We having housing awaiting anytime we desire to move to Egypt. I'm willing to give it a try for 2-5 years for my childrens sake and to possibly attend medical school with the help of his supportive family. We also believe we could have more quality family time together in egypt because of the economy.

Is it safe to say that we could live a very comfortable life with $30,000 US dollars budgeted for 9-15 months.

Ideally I would love to spend half the year in Egypt and half in the states, as an adjunct professor somewhere or General tenums physician.

posted 17 April 2005 09:25 AM            

The fantasy plan is to sell are home here in the US plus all of our belongings hopefully that will give us the $30k (equity and stuff). My hubby has a job in Egypt already we send money and documents ever year for retiremnt or something to maintain his position??? It won't pay enough to support us all though.

posted 19 April 2005 06:40 PM            

My husband is from Cairo and we married there last November during Eid. Since I have no family here, his family has become my family. We spent 3 weeks there and I had the most wonderful time. I love his friends and his family.

I could not ask for a nicer husband. He is sweet, cooks for me, is always in a great mood and he really never takes anything too seriously. That's good for me because I tend to be more serious about things. We married later in life, so we have no children. It was quite a relief to find a man who was not looking for a 2nd wife to add to his collection.

He is sort of a moderate in his beliefs and practices too. I can wear western wear as long as the clothing is moderate. I can wear ethnic dress and he always compliments me. I wear hijab by choice. He does not mind that I have a career as a Medical Director for two hospitals. He never complains if I work late.

Yet my husband's personality in some ways are still tied to his culture. He has to bargain for anything he purchases. His cooking is very ethnic and I love his koshory. He has ideas about his financial responsibilities to his family, and for the most part, I agree. What we do not agree on, we work out.

posted 20 April 2005 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Shadya:
Hi everyone, I'm new in the forum. I like this topic!

He does not mind that I have a career as a Medical Director for two hospitals. He never complains if I work late.

I certainly could have done worse! Also, he is very romantic...

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posted 22 April 2005 10:07 PM            

Yes we plan to return to Cairo in Ramadan and Eid. After observing Ramadan and Eid in Cairo, I can not think of spending those days in the US. It is just not the same...

posted 23 April 2005 01:03 PM            

Hubby use to spend $5-6/day on fastfood lunches now he's enjoying 89cent favas beans with pita and tomatoes. I carry salads with boiled eggs.

posted 24 April 2005 05:49 AM            

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Originally posted by MisplacedinAlex:

Car cost used smll sized econo. 20,000 LE
REnt 600-2000LE mnthly

Some gen. prices for you....Good luck

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hi misplaced

rent for 600 LE per month>??

#where?
any chance near roushdi/maimi/gleen/shatby/sprotying, etc

[oh and thank u for that insight of life in alex, it the best i have ever read....and also the general cost ]

posted 25 April 2005 07:00 AM            

i am goinf in the month July this is the summer month write,,,

nevamind gave me some good link for hotel, in alex, 1 and 2*
so im guna get looking in them?

do u like on the east or west of rousshdi??

do u know of any cheap 1 to 3 star hotek from roshdi and surroind area to anywhre going east to. mousfa kemel.

[i know hotel new capri,,,but that is too west, from roushi]...

posted 30 April 2005 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by MisplacedinAlex:
Wish I could help you but don't know info on hotels ....

Wondering what happened to original gal who posted here, Jenna.
Did you get information you needed have not seen a post from you lately..??

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posted 08 May 2005 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by sonomod:
She had a revolving door of usernames, hassencheb for one, she and LL (LuxorLover) duked it out for a while.

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Actually it's you, you psychotic child of an alcoholic sugar mama, with a disfunctional family of hill billy drunks!

Get A Life, you are the one with a thousand user names, and I know Alana is you! You fool!

posted 08 May 2005 03:37 PM            

I don't even believe you are married, who could marry a pyscho, you dont even know you are! I believe you are one of those desperate lonely, pimple faced girls who lives in a fantasy world online. I bet you have a slew of online husbands under the various user IDs you have, yeah stay online 24 hours and get your useless home course degree online, you idiot! Can't even get into a real college.

posted 12 May 2005 10:08 AM            

It's a nice story...
You are a lucky girl!!!

How did you met your husband? In Egypt?

Bye

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Originally posted by Shadya:
Hi everyone
We live in Houston Texas and we both love the city. My husband spent 6 weeks in Cairo and just returned on April 17th. Now get this....I took him to a dentist in Houston because he had a tooth ache. The Dentist gave us a bill for $36,000.00 of which we were expected to pay $9,600.00 out of pocket. So we did the math! Round trip ticket to Cairo - $660. Staying with his family - $0. And the dentist? Only $1000.00 for the same work. Bridges, root canals, cosmetics and cleaning.

Yes we plan to return to Cairo in Ramadan and Eid. After observing Ramadan and Eid in Cairo, I can not think of spending those days in the US. It is just not the same...

Inshallah we will spend three weeks there.

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posted 12 May 2005 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by hassancheb:
Sonomod you lonely low life broad with a multiple personality disorder!

I don't even believe you are married, who could marry a pyscho, you dont even know you are! I believe you are one of those desperate lonely, pimple faced girls who lives in a fantasy world online. I bet you have a slew of online husbands under the various user IDs you have, yeah stay online 24 hours and get your useless home course degree online, you idiot! Can't even get into a real college.

Loser!

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posted 13 May 2005 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by FunnyGirl:

HI Shadya!!!

It's a nice story...
You are a lucky girl!!!

How did you met your husband? In Egypt?

Bye

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posted 14 June 2005 03:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Koks2005:
Hello all,
this is an interesting conversation,but I want to make some modification in the topic,I am an egyptian man,and I want to ask you now Egyptain men,what do you think about American women?
I want to tell my opinion about most of them or at least those whom i meet,they are very kind and loving and funny....and really really really I would love to marry an american woman one day,I am in love now with one of em,and she is all my life and she is everything for me,plz all you people all over the world ,pray for me,and thank you all

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If you marry an American woman you must learn to adjust to our culture as well. At least 20% of the life with her must have an American custom to it.

Don't expect her to be Egyptian overnight, don't expect her to give up all her expectations of marriage and love and adapt your expections entirely.

posted 15 June 2005 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Koks2005:
Hi Sonomod,
thank you very much for replying,of course I agree with you but I have some notes.
I want to tell you that love and marriage is not only about satisfying needs.and 20%of living the american custom is unfair for her.I would never want her to give up her expectations,or dreams or anything...on the other hand i should be beside her and support her....of course we both will get to know eachother's culture,I think this is what love about.
I dont want someone to just satisfy my needs,I dont think about women this way.
The girl that I am in love with now,I am in love with her soul more than anything else,she is an Angel.
I really didnt understand what you meant by a revert?revert from what to what?I dont know....hope hear from you soon

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Wow you don't consider 20% too much? Kinda strange.

Now are you in the USA already, or she in Egypt with you or is it a distance thing? And the age gap, is there one or are you the same relatively age?

Those factors make such a big difference.

Plus if you are in Egypt most people will give you space to enjoy being married, if you are the groom, the wife is picked apart.

Now if you are in USA, you will be picked apart from other Arabs. They will not leave you alone, you will constantly be critized.

Plus she will be torn apart and ostrasized everyday for marrying you. Is she a strong person? If she is middle class and white it will change every aspect of her life. Plus don't allow her to take your last name untill you have children or not at all. She will face discrimination at a whole new high when she does. If she is rich, she will get some hate but much less, because money talks. Plus alot of your Arab friends will assume that she is rich and will take care of you financially, so when they come to ask for money beware. Alot of single Arab men will leech off of another Arab friend because of his American wife. For a while these will be your only friends.

A revert is a Christain who has had their Shaddah, chosen Islam. Most of the time these new Muslimahs become basically spineless creatures. Believing that they are biologically, spiritual, and intellectual inferiors to men. Plus they hate the west and hate Christainity vehmentally. Just look to our 'Religion' and 'Politics' section of the forum. Hate isn't a virtue of Islam, but this is the only reason that brought these women to Islam.

Be careful, the way you feel about your American girlfriend and her faith will change within weeks of marriage. Then you will know who your friends are.

posted 15 June 2005 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by newcomer:
A "revert" is a term sometimes used for a person who has reverted to the religion that they were born into. Muslims believe that everyone is born as a Muslim, i.e. as a being created by Allah who lives by the natural laws that He also created, but that human beings learn beliefs from their families and the environment that they are raised in. This may lead them to practice Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc. etc. But if at a later stage in life they learn about Islam and choose of their own free will to follow its teachings some people describe it as them having reverted to the religion that they were born into.

For anyone to stand up in public and declare their acceptance of Islam is no spineless matter, particularly in these days when the media and politicians are creating and developing such negative images of Islam. And all those negative stereotyped biased prejudiced generalizations written above need to be seen in that light and treated accordingly!

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spineless? deep thinking
Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves.

posted 15 June 2005 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by newcomer:
A "revert" is a term sometimes used for a person who has reverted to the religion that they were born into. Muslims believe that everyone is born as a Muslim, i.e. as a being created by Allah who lives by the natural laws that He also created, but that human beings learn beliefs from their families and the environment that they are raised in. This may lead them to practice Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc. etc. But if at a later stage in life they learn about Islam and choose of their own free will to follow its teachings some people describe it as them having reverted to the religion that they were born into.

For anyone to stand up in public and declare their acceptance of Islam is no spineless matter, particularly in these days when the media and politicians are creating and developing such negative images of Islam. And all those negative stereotyped biased prejudiced generalizations written above need to be seen in that light and treated accordingly!

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Agree completely.

posted 15 June 2005 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by newcomer:

For anyone to stand up in public and declare their acceptance of Islam is no spineless matter, particularly in these days when the media and politicians are creating and developing such negative images of Islam. And all those negative stereotyped biased prejudiced generalizations written above need to be seen in that light and treated accordingly!

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By spineless I meant that she has a tendancy to accept cultural practices of Muslims before actual Islamic juriprudence.

You didn't even bother to realize in my post that by marrying a muslim she will be critized up the yahzu by non-Muslims and Muslims alike.

I have known women for several years before they actually reverted. When they do many anti-woman attitudes that they possessed before their Shaddah is explosively apparent. They don't want women to work, or live on their own before marriage, go around with a bible trying to exercise people's demons in public places, whether the person wants them exercised or not. Its on the same line as African-American men who have spent time in and out of prison. Black-Militia attitude.

Its a matter of hating Christainity and white race more than accepting a monothestic religion that has improved so much of the world's population. That is the exact reason why so many individuals in the west fear reverts.

And to be entirely honest many of these women had a very hard time finding a husband before and after they reverted. Since it fullfills half a Muslims faith to be married, they assume their chances of finding a husband by reverting increases. Plus so many of these women come out of extremely religious families, and some have survived Christain cults.

Its a way of purging something from themselves without doing any meaningful insightful work to purge it.

My husband has seen this for himself and he is utterly ashamed of the black militants and the "Nation of Islam", let alone the reverts who donn the niqab, wear socks in their sandels, hand gloves and then go around like a doomsday cult telling all will go to hell.

I think the word is "eccentric."

But there are women who revert and do so without going over the deep end and without dumping all their Christian friends and family. women who don't dump their mortage, stop listening to music or watching TV, refuse to pay taxes, who keep their children at home instead of public or private school (in effect installing a great deep seated fear of all Christians and westerner I am phrasing this on the line of Waco), or even to so far as to rearrange their anatomy down south.

I mean the more severe outlook that Muslims can produce these reverts take it to an extreme. I have seen very few actually balance their lives and see Islam as flexible and progressive religion.

But of course so many reverts on these egy boards either reverted to get married and don't take Islam seriously or they go overboard. There isn't much of a Middle ground like if they were born Muslim.

posted 15 June 2005 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by sonomod:
But there are women who revert and do so without going over the deep end and without dumping all their Christian friends and family. women who don't dump their mortage, stop listening to music or watching TV, refuse to pay taxes, who keep their children at home instead of public or private school (in effect installing a great deep seated fear of all Christians and westerner I am phrasing this on the line of Waco), or even to so far as to rearrange their anatomy down south.

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posted 15 June 2005 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by sonomod:
By spineless I meant that she has a tendancy to accept cultural practices of Muslims before actual Islamic juriprudence.

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If that is your definition of “spineless” I would say that it actually applies more to people who are "born Muslims" than to “reverts”, as the majority of new Muslims do try to seek out information about their new found religion and follow it as it was revealed rather than just carrying on the accepted family traditional ways of practice.

posted 15 June 2005 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by sonomod:
Wow you don't consider 20% too much? Kinda strange.

Now are you in the USA already, or she in Egypt with you or is it a distance thing? And the age gap, is there one or are you the same relatively age?

Those factors make such a big difference.

Plus if you are in Egypt most people will give you space to enjoy being married, if you are the groom, the wife is picked apart.

Now if you are in USA, you will be picked apart from other Arabs. They will not leave you alone, you will constantly be critized.

Plus she will be torn apart and ostrasized everyday for marrying you. Is she a strong person? If she is middle class and white it will change every aspect of her life. Plus don't allow her to take your last name untill you have children or not at all. She will face discrimination at a whole new high when she does. If she is rich, she will get some hate but much less, because money talks. Plus alot of your Arab friends will assume that she is rich and will take care of you financially, so when they come to ask for money beware. Alot of single Arab men will leech off of another Arab friend because of his American wife. For a while these will be your only friends.

A revert is a Christain who has had their Shaddah, chosen Islam. Most of the time these new Muslimahs become basically spineless creatures. Believing that they are biologically, spiritual, and intellectual inferiors to men. Plus they hate the west and hate Christainity vehmentally. Just look to our 'Religion' and 'Politics' section of the forum. Hate isn't a virtue of Islam, but this is the only reason that brought these women to Islam.

Be careful, the way you feel about your American girlfriend and her faith will change within weeks of marriage. Then you will know who your friends are.

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Hi Sonomod,nice to hear from you.I beleive that some of what you say is true and happens.but Hey life is much more beautiful than that,not all the people are bad people and not all of em are good.besides I dont wanna marry a revert,you wont beleive that one thing that attracted me to this girl is her strong faith in her religion,she is christian and she goes to the church frequently,and she helps poor people and children,I mean c'mon I love that in her.Yes I am a muslim ,and i wish if she one day will be convinced with Islam BY HER WILL,because me being a muslim,i beleive that this is the way to heaven,and being in love with her,I wnt her to be in heaven.but TAKE CARE,when i think about that,she also beleives that christianity is the way to heaven and she wishes me to be in heaven too.so see there is noone better than the other or much worthy to be followed.one term of Love is to respect the other person,again respect the other person.if one day a woman come to me and says"i will be your slave",I will hate this woman of course,women and men are human beings,God created us having many things in common and a little things different,but eventually,we are the same,we are equal.beleive me,I will not regret if i married her,and she wont too thank you Sonomod for your concern

posted 15 June 2005 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by newcomer:
If that is your definition of “spineless” I would say that it actually applies more to people who are "born Muslims" than to “reverts”, as the majority of new Muslims do try to seek out information about their new found religion and follow it as it was revealed rather than just carrying on the accepted family traditional ways of practice.

Some of the reactions you are describing to new Muslims are exactly the same as people describe in reaction to “born-again Christians” or to college students who think they are the only people who have ever opened a book and studied anything about life. It comes from their over-enthusiasm to adjust to their newfound knowledge/faith. However to generalize this to all new-Muslims/reverts is what I was objecting to.

It’s a fascinating world we are living in today, where women are called “eccentric” because they choose to dress conservatively and wear socks in their sandals, gloves, scarves, and cover their faces. But if they walk around with their bellies hanging over the top of their skirts or trousers/pants, or a dress that leaves absolutely nothing to the imagination about what it is theoretically meant to be covering, they are considered fashionable!

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Yeah right. My husband has requested that a few new reverts not take their Shaddah. Because they are doing so for the wrong reasons.

What I am trying to explain here is that many of these reverts are damaged people. And damaged people can do alot of harm to a religion's image.

You know how many people are turned away from Al-Azhar because they are risky students? You know how many people are deported from Jureusalem of all three faiths because they are a security risk or just plain freaky?

People should adopt a faith because it feels right for them. Not because they hate who they are or hate the society they are surrounded by or because it will increases their chances for finally landing a husband.

People can see these innappropriate motivations for what they are. Usually reverts with innappropriate motivations end up scaring people off from exploring a faith who would've ended up adopting the faith for the right reasons.

posted 16 June 2005 02:08 AM            

There are many people who adopt new ways of life/seek knowledge for their own personal reasons, for example, how many people do you think go to study psychiatry/ psychology/ social work because they are looking for answers to problems in their own lives or go out to look for answers in any religion they can find? Some may find healing in the new way and for others it can be a form of escapism. Insha Allah all those who need healing will eventually find the right way without taking too many dead ends.

posted 27 June 2005 08:35 PM            

thanks
Haydee

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Originally posted by Shadya:
Hi everyone, I'm new in the forum. I like this topic!

My husband is from Cairo and we married there last November during Eid. Since I have no family here, his family has become my family. We spent 3 weeks there and I had the most wonderful time. I love his friends and his family.

I could not ask for a nicer husband. He is sweet, cooks for me, is always in a great mood and he really never takes anything too seriously. That's good for me because I tend to be more serious about things. We married later in life, so we have no children. It was quite a relief to find a man who was not looking for a 2nd wife to add to his collection.

He is sort of a moderate in his beliefs and practices too. I can wear western wear as long as the clothing is moderate. I can wear ethnic dress and he always compliments me. I wear hijab by choice. He does not mind that I have a career as a Medical Director for two hospitals. He never complains if I work late.

Yet my husband's personality in some ways are still tied to his culture. He has to bargain for anything he purchases. His cooking is very ethnic and I love his koshory. He has ideas about his financial responsibilities to his family, and for the most part, I agree. What we do not agree on, we work out.

I certainly could have done worse! Also, he is very romantic...

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posted 03 July 2005 07:43 PM            

They are also very intelligent.

I also think that if an Egyptian man who lives in Egypt has a father or brothers who take more than one wife, that there is a higher likelihood that he may also. Just an afterthought.

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Hi Everyone,

I live in America, I m a professor at a major college in the states. My father is Egyptian/ mother american. I was raised in Egypt, my father is a doctor. I visit my relatives in Egypt in the summer most of the time.

Love to hear from American women from all over and there views, thoughts, any input on egyptian men.

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posted 03 July 2005 09:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Catherine_S:
I live in America also, have lived here my entire life. I met my first Egyptian man and thought that I really needed to get to know this man better. We have been friends for almost 3 years now. The thing that I notice about Egyptian men is that they are very very close to their mothers. And they are very hard workers, working 6 days a week and very long hours.

They are also very intelligent.

I also think that if an Egyptian man who lives in Egypt has a father or brothers who take more than one wife, that there is a higher likelihood that he may also. Just an afterthought.

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Yes, I agree about Egyptian men and their relationship with their mums. They are such mummy's boys which I find really sweet! The Egyptian man I know is also very hard working and intelligent. Omigod! I hope that we are not talking about the same man!

Anyway, thanks for the afterthought on the possibility of 'heredity' pattern of more than one wives. I will do further investigation on my Egyptian man.