posted 25 August 2003 12:07 PM            

I'm located in East London in England, although I lived for many years in the USA, mostly in Brooklyn New York.

posted 26 August 2003 04:41 PM            

Whch part of Egypt are you from?

posted 26 August 2003 08:28 PM            

I am originally from Springfield, Massachusetts. I currently live in The Bronx, New York

posted 26 August 2003 09:21 PM            

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Originally posted by ausar:
Glad to see another Egypt on the message board. Intrest in Egytology by Egyptian native is most definatley lacking. The only prominant Egyptian Egyptologist,excluding Hawass,is Selim Hassan.

Whch part of Egypt are you from?

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posted 26 August 2003 10:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Kem-Au:
there's another egyptian egyptologist, but i can't remember his name. it's a shame because i've seen him so many times. he believes that kmt civilization originated in africa, so i was trying to get his name for obenga. of course now i can't find him.

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Moustafa Gadalla?

posted 27 August 2003 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by ausar:
Glad to see another Egypt on the message board. Intrest in Egytology by Egyptian native is most definatley lacking. The only prominant Egyptian Egyptologist,excluding Hawass,is Selim Hassan.

Whch part of Egypt are you from?

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Hi Ausar,
Hi All,

I couldn't agree more... This actually bothers me very much, How come it is called "Egyptology" and Egyptians are the least nation interested in it ???!!!

Well, I've been interested in Egyptology since I was a little kid. Currently I am working on several Egyptological researches I've been working on them for couple of years now but I haven't got the time to finish them yet.

My roots go down to Luxor but my family has been residing at Alexanrida for few decades now, and I am too for the time being, I don't know if I'll move or not I haven't decided yet.

Amun, by the way I wouldn't classify "Mostafa Gadalla" as an Egyptologists he always bring up controversial theories without being based on archeological facts and I believe (and I guess we all do??) that theorizing must be according to facts and evidence that can logically lead to such presumptions and not an arbitrary process of imposing personal conviction and beliefs. One can just take a look at his website to see how deviated he is from the main stream of "unbiased science" I mean Science for science with no hidden agendas, or otherwise how on earth Egyptology is related to his racism against Muslims or Arabs or the septemper 11th brutal terrorists actions ???!
wouldn't you agree??

RD

posted 27 August 2003 07:23 PM            

I also feel that Upper Egyptians,like myself,hold the keys to understanding the pharonic past,and we also represent some of the ones who have not been as saturated with foregin admixture as much as the Delta people have been. However,I do see that many Egyptians tend to embrace their modern Arabic culture;while leaving their pharoanic past behind. I shall not do this because I love my ancestors for what they were worth. This has nothing to do with September 11,or anti-Arab hatred.

You may dislike much of what Gadaalla says,but much of his information is right on the money. He knows about the Baladi,Fellahin,and rual Egyptians are the real desendants of the Ancient Egyptians. Gadalla might be wrong in the manner he adresses situlations,but much of his infromation is right on point. I can verify much of what he says

By the way,I don't consider myself to be an Arab. No disrespect,but I simply donot consider myself to be one.

posted 27 August 2003 08:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Rhythm Divine:

Amun, by the way I wouldn't classify "Mostafa Gadalla" as an Egyptologists he always bring up controversial theories without being based on archeological facts and I believe (and I guess we all do??) that theorizing must be according to facts and evidence that can logically lead to such presumptions and not an arbitrary process of imposing personal conviction and beliefs. One can just take a look at his website to see how deviated he is from the main stream of "unbiased science" I mean Science for science with no hidden agendas, or otherwise how on earth Egyptology is related to his racism against Muslims or Arabs or the septemper 11th brutal terrorists actions ???!
wouldn't you agree??

RD

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true gadalla is not an egyptologist, and true he does sometimes show bias, but his work should not be dismissed. he makes some good points, and usually backs them up.

posted 28 August 2003 05:06 AM            

You are talking about the Gebel-Arrak knife,which has been dimissed in Egyptology as representing an Mesopotamian invasion. This theory was held in high regard by Sir Flinders Petrie,but is know dismissed by the whole entire Egyptology community. An Egyptologist named WB Emery,who discovered the tomb of Nefer,had similar thoughts to the dyanstyic race,but he is no longer taken serious.

posted 28 August 2003 06:46 AM            

I do respect some of Moustafa Gadalla's opinions and I do agree that he raises some very good points which must be taken into consideration, especially those ones which are ""backed up"" with Egyptological evidence, However what I really dislike is his lack of objectiveity sometimes, I don't believe that Egyptology organizations should be assigned to another task other than Egyptology and this is what he actually does in every occasion he can find a chance to express his hatred for the Arabs & Islam he assignes his organization to that task which make it less objective. This is a very dangerous turn that we must avoid pushing Egyptology into, science must always be for science not for policy, racism, religion or personal agandas. By this we can guarantee a safe environment for scientists/ Egyptologists to work in.

I agree that Egyptology needs to be stirred up a lit bit. Most of Egyptologists now are some what "affraid of change", old theories are like holy books for them and any other new theory or suggestion based on scinetific bases is like "heretical". I remember attending a lecture for a several "phd's holder in Egyptology" at Bibliotecha Alexandrina, it was about the pyramids and oblisks and the man was telling the most old and outdated Egyptological thoeries ever, as if they were the ultimate truth. I was going to fall asleep if I was able to quit being so angry for what Egyptology had turned up into.

I think at some point Egyptology was altered to stem its credibility from individuals rather than from archeological facts, evidence and findings so that whatever Zahi Hawas says is right but "whatever" papyrus is telling is aparently wrong because it must have been changed in the second intermediate period for some "Uknown" reason.
I think this must change....

posted 28 August 2003 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by ausar:

You are talking about the Gebel-Arrak knife,which has been dimissed in Egyptology as representing an Mesopotamian invasion. This theory was held in high regard by Sir Flinders Petrie,but is know dismissed by the whole entire Egyptology community. An Egyptologist named WB Emery,who discovered the tomb of Nefer,had similar thoughts to the dyanstyic race,but he is no longer taken serious.

We have some evidence of Mesopotamian influence,but not an invasion that was earlier preposed.

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it's true that many people no longer accept the invasion theory, but some still do, like david rohl. the oxford history of ancient egypt doesn't seem to support the invasion theory, but it does mention that native kemites were gradually replaced over time.

posted 28 August 2003 02:32 PM            

Hello, I live in Spain so I suppose I am Spanish
But I was born in Australia so I suppose that makes me Australian.
But my mother is Spanish so I suppose that makes me Spanish.
Although my father is Australian so I suppose that makes me Australian.
Or maybe that makes me half Spanish and half Australian.
But my father’s father was German, so I suppose that makes me part Spanish and part German-Australian.
But my mother is actually born in the Canary Islands and has history of aboriginal Guanche on her Mothers side of the family so that makes me, Part Spanish, part Canary islander, part Australian, and part German.
Now my fathers, mothers side of the family are English and they have lived in an Australian Country gold mining town were Chinese, Australian Aboriginal and Swedish were introduced to the family at intervals over 150 years. So that would make me part Spanish, part Guanche, part Australian, part German, part Chinese, part Australian aboriginal, and part Swedish
Recently whoever my mother found out the Canary Islanders from Tenerife were actually from North Africa, and she posses similar Dna to the Berber, So that would now make me part Spanish, part Guanche, part North African part Australian, part German, part Chinese, part Australian aboriginal, and part Swedish,.
What I didn’t know till recently is that my Fathers mothers’ father was actually Scottish and have a long history in the Scottish hinterlands. So that will now make me, part Spanish, part Guanche, part North African part Australian, part German, part Chinese, part Australian aboriginal, part Swedish and part Scottish.
And If that wasn’t enough. My Scottish side of the family who live in the hinterlands were involved in Dna studies of people of the area to see what affect the centuries of invasion had made on the local population, they found that their family had little Anglo-saxon, Vikings, Romans, or Norman blood but had maintained the Celtic blood similar to the Basques, who live in a mountainous refuge on the French-Spanish border, who it turns out, also sport a proportion of the North African DNA. So now that would make me part Spanish, part Guanche, part North African part Australian, part German, part Chinese, part Australian aboriginal, part Swedish part Scottish, part Celtic, and even part north African again.
If I went back more than three generations I’m sure I would find more. So when someone asks me who I am, I say, I’m just me!!

posted 30 August 2003 06:22 AM            

i am an Egyptian and live in Egypt

also i am managing a web site about travelling to Egypt called : www.egypttoursclub.com

posted 31 August 2003 09:16 AM            

I'm also new to this board. I was born and live in the UK, though I don't like admitting it because I'm not a great fan of the British and have never felt I belong here. I feel much more at home when I'm in Egypt.

Ozzy - that was a great post. If you were a dog I'd say you were a mongrel, the most robust, good-natured and loyal of 'breeds'. But I guess we are all mongrels if we go back far enough. The Brits are a mixture of Celtic, Roman, Scandanavian and ancient British to name but a few races. And where did the Celts originate - probably the Middle East!

posted 03 September 2003 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Amun:
Moustafa Gadalla?

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I'm not having much luck catching the program again, but i have seen a good 2 or 3 times. perhaps one of you may have seen it. there were two egyptologists, one was a younger looking woman, and the other was an older arab man who looks a little slimmer than hawass.

anyway, when asked about the origin of kmt, he said that when the sahara dried up, there were people wandering the desert with desert technology, and people situated along the nile with river technology. the meeting of these two groups and the sharing of their ideas gave birth to civilization.

posted 22 September 2003 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Obenga:
I'm curious as to where all the regular posters here are located.

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posted 06 November 2003 06:57 AM            

Anyway,let's get off this racial issue and talk about ancient Egypt[KMT].

posted 06 November 2003 09:14 AM            

I don't agree with you acessment on being an Arab. Egyptians most definatley are in many ways Arabic in culture,but share a different history than many of those in the Arab world. Arabs to me are not Northern Africans,but people from the Gulf to the Sinai. People who are nomadic bedouins are true Arab;as well as the Hashemites in Jordan who claim desent from the phophet mohammed[pbuh]. So it is not fair to say people who speak Arabic are Arabs. Much of the Egyptian coloquial Arabic spoken by Egyptians is even different from the dialects used in the gulf countries. Saidi Egyptian is almost non-understandable to both Cairene Egyptians and Arabs.

Aussar, itīs true but fact is that 90% of the Arabs then arenīt Arabs because their origin is rather berber, coptic, arameic,nubian etc.The Arabs which I know said me that the arab language is basic link of all Arabs and ground of their identity.Of course, itīs especially classical Arabic but itīs undeniable fact that all arab dialects from Mauritania to Oman have their common roots in the dialects of nomadic Arabs which emigrated from the Arab peninsula to all these countries in the Middle Ages.

posted 06 November 2003 09:29 AM            

Yes,and most of these groups you mentioned donot indentify with Arabs. Coptic is just a term that the Arabs used for all Egyptian populations who were then mostly aminist or Christain. Even today,Sa3eadi Egyptians,due to their circumstance and isolation,have a distinctive culture that sets them apart from the other Arab groups. Much of the politics of these people might concern the Arab world,but they are by definition not ''true Arabs'' in the sense that Hashemites are.

You might have heard about Mawali. This was mandated by Arabs as a instrument of colonial conquest where Persians,Berbers,Coptics[Medevil term for Egyptians that includes all Egyptians],and other people. The people were forced to become clients of the Arabs in order to convert to Al-Islam. In the case of Egypt many converted to avoid Jizya tax and keep their property.

During the Arabic through Turkish period the Egyptians indentified themselves as ''Baladi'' denoting rual populations that remained ture to their culture. This is still much of the setiment of rual sa3eadi and Baladi Egyptians. Even though,many rual Egyptians are becoming increasing Arabized.

posted 06 November 2003 09:35 AM            

Saidi Arabic dialects are different from either of these dialects. They pocess many Sahidic Coptic words. Sahidic Coptic was spoken in Upper Egypt during the 16 th century. This means that rual Egyptians pocess much of the same language as their ancestors.

The original people of Mauritania are the Bafour known to be the ancestors of the Soninke,Wolof,and other people of that region. During the Middle Ages nomadic Arabs from Yemen moved in and blended in with the aboriginal black population. Before all the Arab migrations there was a culture there with walled cities built with stone that praticed agritculture. This culture also grew out of the cultures of Dhat Tchitt around 1500 B.C.

posted 07 November 2003 03:45 AM            

It is colloquial dialect not fully Arabic. It is distinct from Gulf Arabs and other Arabic dialects. Believe me,life in Said is like night and day compared with the Northern Region. You have to vist or go there to know for yourself.

posted 23 November 2003 12:28 PM            

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Originally posted by ausar:
Well,I have a different opinion on Arabs than most Egyptians. I don't have the grestest love for Islam or Arabs,but I can tolerate people that are different from me.

I also feel that Upper Egyptians,like myself,hold the keys to understanding the pharonic past,and we also represent some of the ones who have not been as saturated with foregin admixture as much as the Delta people have been. However,I do see that many Egyptians tend to embrace their modern Arabic culture;while leaving their pharoanic past behind. I shall not do this because I love my ancestors for what they were worth. This has nothing to do with September 11,or anti-Arab hatred.

You may dislike much of what Gadaalla says,but much of his information is right on the money. He knows about the Baladi,Fellahin,and rual Egyptians are the real desendants of the Ancient Egyptians. Gadalla might be wrong in the manner he adresses situlations,but much of his infromation is right on point. I can verify much of what he says

By the way,I don't consider myself to be an Arab. No disrespect,but I simply donot consider myself to be one.

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