posted 23 November 2003 11:16 AM            

I am sorry,but no they have not. Arabs have only recently come into Egypt recently through the Arab invasion in 640 AD. There is no pre-Islamic time when Arabs and Egyptians mixed. Maryam the Qubt does not exist,because she was brought to Mohammed as a gift from the Alexzandrian Copts.

''The First Arabs Came out of Yemen (himyaar) they then Formed Tribes under Yusef Ibn Qahtan, (the Channanites,Syriacs and Naubatanians are Qahtani) Where as The Himyar Pressed into Ethiopia (banu rasshida''

Ethiopia is not Egypt!!!!! The Ethiopians have 30 % admixture from Yemani Arabs you called Himyarites. Probally that mixture in Ethiopia comes from the Sabeans who have ver little in common with the Himyarites.

Caanites are Semetic,but they are not Arabs.

''The Sanai and Syria Himyar was a Famous King of Syria, The First Use of the Word Arab Comes from ancient Egypt describing those who live in the desert as Arapu here is where Egypt Comes into Arab Culture Ibrahim (ra) had an Egyptian wife , Ismai'l was the Patriarch of the Adanian Branch of the Arabs.''

Wrong,the ancient Egyptians called the Arabs Aamu[Asiatics] and sometimes Bedu. The sand-dwellers in the text of the Upper Egyptian solider Weni brags about killing the ''sand dwellers'',so obviously there experiance with the Bedu was not very freindly. Senworset II sends armies into the Sinai to ''Hack up the Ammu''. If you read the Tales of Sinhue you will notice that an Egyptian flees persecution and it in around Jordan ''land of the sandwellers''. Although,Sinhue marries into a bedu family he returns home for burial,because in the ancient Egyptian relgion your Ka would only exist if you were buried in the territory of Egypt. Even Asiatic outposts in Caanan were considerewd foreign land,so I doubt very much mixing existed at this time. Even in the Sinhue texts Bedu are looked down upon.

The story about Ishamel and Hagar is simple Quranic legends. Nothing historically factual about them. We have no proof such such existence.

Here is the first mention of the Arab:

Noah's eldest son shem is regarded as the ancestor of the
Hebrews,Arabs,and Arameans-the speaker of the Semetic languages. The
term invented by the German historian A.L. Schlozer in 1781. But the
term Arab is not mentioned in Genesis. So far as is known the word
first appears in an inscription opf the Assyrian king Shalmaneser III
annoucing victory over a group f cheiftains,one of whom is refered to
as 'Gindibu the Arabi'From the on Assyrian and Babylonian
insciriptions refer frequently to Arabi or Arabu. They are nomadic
people living in the north Arabian desert,and their tribute to their
Assyrian overlords was usually in the form of camels,first
domesticated in Arabic between 1500 B.C. and 1200 B.C

........In the Bible the name Arab is first used in the second book
of Chronbicles {Xvii,II] to refer to nomads from the east bank of the
river Jordan in the time of King Jehosophat[c900-800 BC.]........

An Arab was therfore a nomad inhabitant of the central and Northern
Arabian peninsula. The word itself is probally derived from a Semetic
root related to nomadicism. there are several posiblities,including
the word abhar which means 'to move' or to pass and from which the
word Hebrew is probally derived. In the Arabic language,which
developed later than Hebrew,the word Arab[plural] means 'Those who
speak indistinctly-a term which later became applied to Persians.
this does not tell us the derivation of the word but only the
definition it was given to Arabic pseaking peoples themselves

Pages 14-15

The Arab World: A Comprehensive History
by Peter Mansfield

''Ibrahim (ra and Ismail Ra) Built Paran which is also Known as Mekka, With the onset of The Quranic Revalation Egypt Passed from Roman rule to the Rule of Islam, ''

The Kababa stone is a Sabean idol. It has nothing to do with either Ishamel or Ibrahim,because these people are parables for real people. In actual history they donot exist.

The Arabic invasion in 640 AD is hotly debated wheater the Egyptians turned over peacefully to the Arabs to get rid of Byzhatine rule. John of Nikiu keep a diary of the Arabic invasion in Egypt in clear detail. Egypt during this time was under Byzhatine rule not Roman rule.

''Many arabs came some of whom were Adanian , But When the Fatamids were overthrown Two whole arab tribes came and settled all of North africa, The Banu Hillal (tribe of the crescent) and banu Sulahfim (tribe of the turtle)Both of whom were Adanian Tribes!''

The force of Amr Ibn Al-As was very small. No more than 5,000 people invaded,and most of them settled around what is modern day Cairo aka ''Al-Fustat''.

As you mentioned,later the Banu Hilal and Banu Sulafin were settled around Middle and Upper Egypt,but they were later pushed out to Libya. During the 10th century most of the Egyptians were either praticing their traditional relgions or they were Christains. Only after the 10th century under Caliphte Al-Hakim did Egyptians start to convert to Islam. It was after years of Gizya tax was forced upon the population. Not to mention a thing called Mawali.

At first the fighting was done only by the bedowin Arad warriors,lured on by the booty of the luxurious empires they were destoying,they did not settle as owners of the lands they had taken,but went on seeking further conquests. At this stage the Arabs formed the the ruling class amung Muslims;the Islmacist state was essentially an Arab confederation. The idea that non-Arabs should become Muslims ,although clearly sationed by the Koran,was still so unfamilar that any convert who was not a full member by descent of an Arab tribe had to become a mawali,or clients,of one of them. Persians,Egyptians,Berbers of Northern Africa and even Arabs by blood and language who had failed to prove their full membership of the dominant caste became mawali. Page 40
In theory they were treated equal to the 'pure' Arab Muslims but impratic they were treated with contempt by these Arab warriors and for some time denied more than a residual share in treasure accuired by their conquests.

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The Arab World: A Comprehensive History
by Peter Mansfield

Even during Mawali the Arabs did not mix with the Egyptians or anyone else.

''The Banu Hillal (tribe of the crescent) and banu Sulahfim (tribe of the turtle)Both of whom were Adanian Tribes! Even The Copts have a degree of Arab Blood as many Bedouin converted to their religion and settled and abbandoned the nomadic way of life''

This is not true since most Egyptian Muslims are one time Coptic converts. The word Coptic simply means ''Egyptian''. Prior to the Arabic invasion it was a term used by byzhatine and Arabs to denote Egyptians. The Coptics in Middle and Lower Egypt have lots of foregin admixture that is not even Arabic. Some might even desend from foregin Syrians,Jews,Romans and Greeks who settled these regions. Coptics are not the pure desendants of the ancient Egyptians.

The people who are the pure desendants of the ancient Egyptians are rual Upper Egyptians that have not mixed with nobody. Sa3eadi is what the Arabs called Upper Egyptians. Many of these same Sa3eadi still speak languages that is similar to the pharoanic tongue. No way are these people Arabs!!!!!!

''There is no way to sepparate the two of us and indeed who would want to unless they want riots in the streets and for us to be weak. About The Banu Hashem who claim that they are the "ultimate" arabs Adanians are Arabized Arabs, as opposed to the Pure Himyar/Qahtanis.''

Yes there is !!!!!!! Egyptians called Asiatic Arabs Shemy. Egyptians seperate themselves from Arabs all the time. Hopefully,the move of Umm Al Misri will catch on and Egyptians will no longer live under the spell of Arabization.

Sheikh Tahtawi,a great Egyptian nationalist,defined Egyptians as a unique people sharing a unified goal. Arabs were not included in it.

"Egyptians are far more capable than Arabs.” Saad Zaghlul

posted 30 November 2003 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by The Libyan Bedawi:
Dear brothers let us not be fooled there is an Agenda for this Question, But what people fail to realise is that Egypt and The Arabs have Thousands of years of Mixing, The First Arabs Came out of Yemen (himyaar) they then Formed Tribes under Yusef Ibn Qahtan, (the Channanites,Syriacs and Naubatanians are Qahtani) Where as The Himyar Pressed into Ethiopia (banu rasshida) The Sanai and Syria Himyar was a Famous King of Syria, The First Use of the Word Arab Comes from ancient Egypt describing those who live in the desert as Arapu here is where Egypt Comes into Arab Culture Ibrahim (ra) had an Egyptian wife , Ismai'l was the Patriarch of the Adanian Branch of the Arabs. Ibrahim (ra and Ismail Ra) Built Paran which is also Known as Mekka, With the onset of The Quranic Revalation Egypt Passed from Roman rule to the Rule of Islam, Many arabs came some of whom were Adanian , But When the Fatamids were overthrown Two whole arab tribes came and settled all of North africa, The Banu Hillal (tribe of the crescent) and banu Sulahfim (tribe of the turtle)Both of whom were Adanian Tribes! Even The Copts have a degree of Arab Blood as many Bedouin converted to their religion and settled and abbandoned the nomadic way of life. We are as much an Arab people as we are to the faroon, There is no way to sepparate the two of us and indeed who would want to unless they want riots in the streets and for us to be weak. About The Banu Hashem who claim that they are the "ultimate" arabs Adanians are Arabized Arabs, as opposed to the Pure Himyar/Qahtanis.

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I have a question for you Libyan, are you familiar with the Garamantes of the Fezzan? What race were they?