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S.Mohammad
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posted 10 June 2004 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for S.Mohammad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ozzy:
As far as I know that is simly an opinion, as he stated also in 2000 that he believed the origin of the Aterian industry would be found there and he named a layer Aterian, but this has not been confirmed as Aterian. Its hardly accepted mainstream which makes it his opinion only. Opinions are not evidence, what sites have produced Aterian artifacts that pre date those traditianly called Aterian from further north? We have an opinion but were is his data, evidence?

Again unless there is generaly accepted artifacts to establish this prior to the release of the report above, they have still stated the then current mainstream opinion, which makes it true to their statment.

Ozzy


That is the new accepted theory, that the Aterian arose in the sub-Saharan and moved north, not south and this is supported by genetic evidence for haplotypes found to be characteristic in North Africa are not found south, plus is an article in Archaelogy Journal, the same author(Van Peer)said the human remains found were sub-Saharan influenced. Mainstream isn't always correct and the old view that the Aterian emerged in northwest Africa is no longer the dominant view.

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posted 15 June 2004 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for supercar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ausar:
[B]It puzzles me why negriod is no longer in scientific use yet the word caucasoid is. I bet these are the same people who claim race is just an illusion yet continue to use such jargon in peer reviwed genetic journals.

Hello everyone. I am glad to join this group of intellectuals on this passionate subject. But speaking of race, I thought it was interesting somebody brought about the subject of the circumcision ritual on one the forum's topics. This ritual is typical of many african cultures,involving both men and women. How many known 'white' civilizations have this ritual widespread, perhaps to even include women? It is yet another indication of the mainly 'black' racial composition of ancient Egypt, and contradictory to the 'white' Ancient Egyptian civilization myth. If this isn't the case, please feel free to shed more light on the matter!

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homeylu
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posted 18 June 2004 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for homeylu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Supercar
It is yet another indication of the mainly 'black' racial composition of ancient Egypt, and contradictory to the 'white' Ancient Egyptian civilization myth. If this isn't the case, please feel free to shed more light on the matter!

I agree, white Europeans have never practiced circumcision in a ritual sense. The only ones that have historically done so are those that had close ties with the Egyptians, like the Hebrews (although from other threads you'd never think the Hebrews ever came in contact with Egyptians in "significant" numbers- since "Israel is only mentioned in one Egyptian document").
Nevertheless, even today, circumcision is still not practiced widespread in Europe. I understand that the practice was also adopted by Muslims, and some claim that this is how it spread to sub-sahara Africa. As I am not well informed of all the tribal rituals of Africans, and maybe you can shed some light for me as to whether its also practiced amongst ethnic groups not affilliated with Islam. In the USA its widespread practice is medically and voluntarily (by the parents that is, lol)
and has no religious connections whatsoever.I also learned that the US introduced this practice to the Koreans after the Korean was, and it is now widespread there as well. But please inform me if non-muslim Africans practice this ritual?

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posted 18 June 2004 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for supercar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by homeylu:
Originally posted by Supercar
[b]It is yet another indication of the mainly 'black' racial composition of ancient Egypt, and contradictory to the 'white' Ancient Egyptian civilization myth. If this isn't the case, please feel free to shed more light on the matter!

I agree, white Europeans have never practiced circumcision in a ritual sense. The only ones that have historically done so are those that had close ties with the Egyptians, like the Hebrews (although from other threads you'd never think the Hebrews ever came in contact with Egyptians in "significant" numbers- since "Israel is only mentioned in one Egyptian document").
Nevertheless, even today, circumcision is still not practiced widespread in Europe. I understand that the practice was also adopted by Muslims, and some claim that this is how it spread to sub-sahara Africa. As I am not well informed of all the tribal rituals of Africans, and maybe you can shed some light for me as to whether its also practiced amongst ethnic groups not affilliated with Islam. In the USA its widespread practice is medically and voluntarily (by the parents that is, lol)
and has no religious connections whatsoever.I also learned that the US introduced this practice to the Koreans after the Korean was, and it is now widespread there as well. But please inform me if non-muslim Africans practice this ritual?[/B]



I realize it's a common practice here in the U.S., and perhaps it's becoming popular in Europe. But I'm speaking in the context of historical times, in particular during the AE dynastic period. Cheikh Anta Diop, a renowned Egyptologist, quotes some Greek writers expressing their curiosity about the Egyptian tradition of circumcision, a pratice they (the Greeks) were not familiar with. I am sure through the Hebrews, like you said, the practice gradually passed onto the Europeans. As far as circumcision in Africa is concerned, I'm not sure of it's affiliation with religion. Although, again like you stated, the Muslim religion makes it a practice.

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