posted 03 December 2004 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Orionix:
According to this study Mauritanians have U6 frequency of 16%.

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posted 03 December 2004 05:38 PM            

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That source you cited says NOTHING about the frequecy of U6. No beef in between the bread.

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Not this study, this one in pdf:
http://www.white-history.com/portugal_files/Gonzalez2003.pdf

The newer study says that Moroccan Berbers are close to southern Spaniards but still not exactly there.

posted 03 December 2004 07:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Orionix:
[QUOTE][b]That source you cited says NOTHING about the frequecy of U6. No beef in between the bread.

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Not this study, this one in pdf:
http://www.white-history.com/portugal_files/Gonzalez2003.pdf

The newer study says that Moroccan Berbers are close to southern Spaniards but still not exactly there.

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Posting links from a white supremacist site? Come on now you can do better than that.

posted 03 December 2004 07:13 PM            

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S.Muhammad:

Posting links from a white supremacist site? Come on now you can do better than that.

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You did the same and also you're an alias.

I'm starting to think you are Ausar. He's the only who can delete posts since his position as a Moderator.

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posted 03 December 2004 08:25 PM            

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Why was my last post deleted?

You did the same and also you're an alias.

I'm starting to think you are Ausar. He's the only who can delete posts since his position as a Moderator.

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Dude give it a rest, I'm not Ausar, Sohnofunk nor am I shuqqah. I never posted any link from a white supremacist site, I'm way smarter than you.

posted 03 December 2004 08:28 PM            

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Dude give it a rest, I'm not Ausar, Sohnofunk nor am I shuqqah. I never posted any link from a white supremacist site, I'm way smarter than you.

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posted 03 December 2004 08:42 PM            

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I think it is relevant enough. It's just not relevant to you.

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You are damn right, that all this gibberish about color variations amongst Berbers, is of little relevance to Berber origins in East Africa. Whether they come in yellow, blue, green or black, doesn't in any way change the origins of Berber in East Africa. Gene flow study gives us an idea about the path of expansion of Berber speaking folks, which originates in East Africa, and then we come across maternal genetic influences by incoming European slaves and Arab invaders.

posted 24 March 2005 08:31 AM            

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Ausar writes: The only indigenous Berber speakers in Egypt are people living in the Siwa oasis.

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rasol writes:
The Egyptians called the population of the neighboring Libya `Tehenu.' They were pictured with dark complexion and curly hair [Ahmed Fakhir, `Siwa Oasis', (Cairo, 1973), p. 75]

The coast has been settled since Mesolithic times, in turn by the Tehenu (ancient dwellers of that coast), Greeks, Romans (marked by two brief but destructive Persian invasions), Byzantines, Berbers, Arabs and modern Egyptians - Ministry Water Resoures and Irrigation - Giza Egypt.

During Egypt's Old Kingdom, it was a part of Tehenu, the Olive Land that may have extended as for east as Mareotis.

Aside from that, the Siwa Oasis has little in common with the other Western Oasis. The Siwan people are mostly Berbers, the true Western Desert indigenous people, who once roamed the North African coast between Tunisia and Morocco. They have their own culture and customs and, as well as speaking Arabic, speak own Berber (Amazigh) language. Women still wear traditional costumes and silver jewellery.

The modern town of Siwa is set among thick palm groves, walled gardens and olive orchards, with numerous freshwater springs and salt lakes. Siwa also clusters beneath the impressive remains of the ancient fortress town of Shali. http://www.arabworldbooks.com/new/siwahistory.html

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posted 15 May 2005 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Orionix:
[QUOTE][b]That source you cited says NOTHING about the frequecy of U6. No beef in between the bread.

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Not this study, this one in pdf:
http://www.white-history.com/portugal_files/Gonzalez2003.pdf

The newer study says that Moroccan Berbers are close to southern Spaniards but still not exactly there.

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Out of interest what are your origins??

posted 18 July 2005 09:16 AM            

I do not want to blindly follow what the present data show though it is accurate but as we see, some of us here can shape information in a false way to deceieve (they do try).

posted 10 August 2005 09:03 AM            

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Thought Writes:

Rando et al.
1998

"The majority of maternal ancestors of the Berbers mus have COME FROM EUROPE and the Near East SINCE the Neolithic."

Gonzalez et al.
2003

The most prominent North African mtDNA was found to be Haplogroup H at a nearly 20% frequency.

Plaza et al.

The most prominent Moroccan Berber mtDNA was found to be Haplogroup H at a frequency of 42.2%.

The most prominent Southern Berber mtDNA was found to be Haplogroup H at a frequency of 32% and V at 10%.

Given these scientific results the following study by Achilli et al. 2004 is of interest. Haplogroups V and H seem to have spread together from the Franco-Cantabrian refugia after the LGM. Table 1 is of particular interest. Haplogroup H has a frequency of 36.8% in Moroccan Berbers and 1.4% in Egyptian Berbers. It has a frequency of 51.9% in Basques and 46.9% in Northern Italians. Haplogroup H has a frequency of 19.9% in Iraq and 10.6% in Arabian Peninsula populations. This indicates that the predominate Berber mtDNA Haplogroups (H and V) did NOT spread from the Near East to NW Africa but from the Iberian peninsula and Europe straight to Africa. This information correspondes with the historical data of female derived slavery into NW Africa.
http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Achilli2004.pdf

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"Haplogroup H has a frequency of 36.8% in Moroccan Berbers and 1.4% in....Egyptian Berbers".

posted 10 August 2005 02:32 PM            

"This proposal is in accordance with a population expansion involving E3b2-M81 believed to have occurred in northwestern Africa 2 ky.

The CONSIDERABLY OLDER linear expansion estimate of the Egyptian E3b2-M81 (5.4 ky ago) is also compatible with this scenario.