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ABAZA Member Posts: 778 |
posted 24 January 2005 10:13 PM
  
This is a link from the Royal Ontario Museum, that tells us some honest truth about AE. Source:
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Thought2 Member Posts: 858 |
posted 24 January 2005 10:26 PM
quote: Thought Writes: Dr. Fletcher has since revised her position on this matter. IP: Logged |
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ABAZA Member Posts: 778 |
posted 25 January 2005 06:32 AM
Dr. Fletcher has also been banned from doing any scientific work on Egyptian Mummies!! [This message has been edited by ABAZA (edited 25 January 2005).] IP: Logged |
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fromashes_rise Junior Member Posts: 13 |
posted 25 January 2005 07:55 AM
the truth has been known even before egyptology started. all you need to do is look at the dynastic and old kingdom bust of pharoahs, if menes was the first pharoah more then likely the people would also look as african as him. IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 1751 |
posted 25 January 2005 09:44 AM
quote: Make up your mind Abaza. Are you quoting her as an expert? Are you attacking her as a fraud? Essentially you repeat a notorious misquote of her, then reject a serious assessment of her work. Read her book: Search For Nefertiti, she asserts that Nefertiti often wore her hair in a 'nubian' style. She concurs that the facial reconstruction done by forensic scientists [which she had no influence over], does in fact bear a resemblance to the known iconography. Don't just quote from white race myth websites. [which make you look bad, and don't upset anyone here] Instead take the time to read and learn. At least you will have something pseudo-substantive to base your racist views on, and the game will possibly be of some 'passsing' interest. IP: Logged |
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ABAZA Member Posts: 778 |
posted 25 January 2005 10:01 AM
I did not quote her, the Royal Ontario Museum did! The bust of Queen Nefertiti ( the Beautiful One ) is still around in Berlin, as far as I know. This bust is actually, what is used by many Nordic Websites to show that the original Ancient Egyptians were Nordic People. So, don't go flying off the handle, because the Canadians, who are know for their honesty and goodwill, choose to use Dr. Fletcher's opinion. We all know, that the truth can and has been twisted by many people, including the afrocentrics and others, but this does not mean that respected Museums around the world are trying to deceive anyone!! The problem with you guys and others who are into the habit of trying to coverup any information that shows that AE was not a Black African Society, is that you try not to listen to what the whole world is telling you. Covering up your eyes and ears will not work, at least not in the long run....... I guess you can keep on ignoring all the respected Egyptologists and World Reknowned Museums, but at the end you'll have to face the Truth one way or another!! Two wrongs will never make a right!!
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Horemheb Member Posts: 596 |
posted 25 January 2005 10:04 AM
The problem with that facial reconstruction is that the woman who did it admitted she chose a 'racial' model before she began. the three mummies that Fletcher worked with were as white as white could be. They were there in plain view for anyone to see. If a body is going to change color in death it usually becomes darker, not lighter. Queen tiye's father was an Asian and her hair is hardly Nubian. IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 1751 |
posted 25 January 2005 10:29 AM
quote: Well, i'm quoting you.: This is a link from the Royal Ontario Museum,that tells us some honest truth about AE. They quote Fletcher. You attack Fletcher. Which is it?
quote:There are dozens of portraits of Nefertiti in Kemetian iconography [many examples in the Fletcher book, btw.]. In some reliefs she has the same skin-tone, and similar facial features as the reconstructed mummy.
quote: Yes, and these are the same fools who claim that Black African statues found in 1st Dynasty tombs in Abydos are really from the 25th Dynasty. You need to stay away from those sites, as they traffic in staggering ignorance to which you have proven to be susceptible.
quote:lol. Don't go flying off at the handle because Fletcher does not, in fact, subscribe to said opinion. Forcing you to denounce the very scholarship that you yourself link to.  [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 25 January 2005).] IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 1751 |
posted 25 January 2005 10:49 AM
quote: That is not an accurate statement. The procedures used were not based on any ethnic presumptions but rather from actual examination of the remains, via digital x-ray. This is how forensic reconstructions are done. In the case of the skull believed by a number of UK experts to be that of Nefertiti, digital X-rays gave Evison and Schofield an image of the skull inside the mummy. At this point they had no clues as to the mummy’s possible identity. ....this is the best facial shape we could get from the X-rays we were given. If I saw this face, and Nefertiti [based on iconography?] was my daughter, I think I would recognise this face as hers. - Damian Schofield, Sheffield University. Fletcher: "I was bowled over by it, to be honest. The face is that of a very strong individual indeed. She has such a beautiful profile. She is stunning" http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2003-08-12-nefertiti-usat_x.htm Of course there is still a legitimate issue over whether or not that 'really is' Nefertiti, or some other 18 Dyansty royal. But the forensic work cannot be faulted, simply on the basis that you do not like the fact that she looks like an African woman. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 25 January 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Horemheb Member Posts: 596 |
posted 25 January 2005 11:22 AM
It is an accurate statement rasol. I heard her say it plain as day. Her comment was that in some cases such as this a racisal componet had to be assigned. In other words the final result could lean one way of the other depending on which you chose. IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 1751 |
posted 25 January 2005 11:27 AM
quote: You are not even referring to the forensic scientists who reconstructed the skull. You are referring the to graphic artist who added the skintones to the reconstruction afterwards. Your statement is inaccurate. IP: Logged |
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supercar Member Posts: 1312 |
posted 25 January 2005 11:33 AM
quote: Besides personal attacks, does Horemheb ever have a valid argument? Examine all his posts, and you'll see what I mean. IP: Logged |
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Horemheb Member Posts: 596 |
posted 25 January 2005 12:48 PM
rasol...don't tell me what I am referring to. I watched the woman with both eyes and both ears, as usual you just don't like the answer. IP: Logged |
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Horemheb Member Posts: 596 |
posted 25 January 2005 01:00 PM
Supercar, I am not going to get down into the afrocentric mud with you. Many scholars have articles all over the web making the same arguments I would. If you want to get into real scholarship and out of racial politics I will be glad to help you out, thats my job. IP: Logged |
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supercar Member Posts: 1312 |
posted 25 January 2005 01:17 PM
quote: This reply is a perfect example: all childishness; empty argument. I stand vindicated in my last statement. IP: Logged |
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fromashes_rise Junior Member Posts: 13 |
posted 25 January 2005 01:20 PM
what point do either of you lot want to prove. IP: Logged |
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Horemheb Member Posts: 596 |
posted 25 January 2005 01:28 PM
its not an empty argument Supercar because its not an argument at all. When I see worthy scholarship I'll be glad to argue with you, right now all I see is flame throwing. IP: Logged |
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supercar Member Posts: 1312 |
posted 25 January 2005 01:30 PM
quote: You tell me. IP: Logged |
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supercar Member Posts: 1312 |
posted 25 January 2005 01:33 PM
quote: That was the whole point of the term "empty". Ranting is not a substitution for substantiation. IP: Logged |
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