posted 12 March 2005 12:48 PM            

The late 17th and 18th dynasty royal mummies display the strongest "Nubian" affinities. The difference between late 17th and 18th dynasty royal mummies and contemporary Nubians is slight. In summation, the New Kingdom Pharaohs and Queens whose mummies have been recovered bear strong similarity to either contemporary Nubians, or with Mesolithic-Holocene "Nubians".

Thutmose II displays the globular cranium common among more recent Nubians.

Elder lady [Queen Tiye?], pronounced prognathsism, Mesolithic Nubian affinities.

Thutmose III with 'unaltered' nose.

Lady Tuty New Kingdom, 18th dynasty
http://www.geocities.com/pinatubo.geo/data7.htm

posted 12 March 2005 01:43 PM            

This was of interest as well.

http://www.geocities.com/pinatubo.geo/data7.htm

"The projecting zygomatic arches of Seti I suggest remnants of the old Natufian/Tasian types of the Holocene period."

Thought Writes:

It coincides with:

The Races of Europe
Carleton Coon
1939

"...these late Natufians represent a basically Mediterranean type with minor Negroid affinities..."

AND

Raymond Furon
Manuel de Prehistorie Generale
1958

"The caves of Erg-el-Ahmar ....produced 132 individuals for Miss Garrod. All these Natufians share the same physical type, completly different from earlier Palestinians. They are short, about 160 cm. and dolichocephalic. They were probably Cro-Magnoid Mediterraneans, presenting certain negroid characteristics attributable to crossbreeding...

Thought Writes:

Of course the Natufians and other Mesolithic and early Neolithic Mediterraneans were a a hybrid group of Europeans with a degree of tropical African influence. Of course with the incursion/back migration of Indo-European speakers into the Mediterranean and Levant the original genetic frequencies, phenotype and political orientation has shifted from the south to the north.

Thought Posts:

"We conclude that there has been substantial back-migration into the Near East"

Am J Hum Genet. 2000 Nov;67(5):1251-76

Tracing European founder lineages in the Near Eastern mtDNA pool.

Richards M, Macaulay V, Hickey E, Vega E, Sykes B, Guida V, Rengo C, Sellitto D, Cruciani F, Kivisild T, Villems R, Thomas M, Rychkov S, Rychkov O, Rychkov Y, Golge M, Dimitrov D, Hill E, Bradley D, Romano V, Cali F, Vona G, Demaine A, Papiha S, Triantaphyllidis C, Stefanescu G, Hatina J, Belledi M, Di Rienzo A, Novelletto A, Oppenheim A, Norby S, Al-Zaheri N, Santachiara-Benerecetti S, Scozari R, Torroni A, Bandelt HJ.

Institute of Molecular Medicine, University of Oxford, Oxford; and Department of Biology, University College London, United Kingdom. M.B.Richards@hud.ac.uk

Founder analysis is a method for analysis of nonrecombining DNA sequence data, with the aim of identification and dating of migrations into new territory. The method picks out founder sequence types in potential source populations and dates lineage clusters deriving from them in the settlement zone of interest. Here, using mtDNA, we apply the approach to the colonization of Europe, to estimate the proportion of modern lineages whose ancestors arrived during each major phase of settlement. To estimate the Palaeolithic and Neolithic contributions to European mtDNA diversity more accurately than was previously achievable, we have now extended the Near Eastern, European, and northern-Caucasus databases to 1,234, 2, 804, and 208 samples, respectively. Both back-migration into the source population and recurrent mutation in the source and derived populations represent major obstacles to this approach. We have developed phylogenetic criteria to take account of both these factors, and we suggest a way to account for multiple dispersals of common sequence types. We conclude that (i) there has been substantial back-migration into the Near East, (ii) the majority of extant mtDNA lineages entered Europe in several waves during the Upper Palaeolithic, (iii) there was a founder effect or bottleneck associated with the Last Glacial Maximum, 20,000 years ago, from which derives the largest fraction of surviving lineages, and (iv) the immigrant Neolithic component is likely to comprise less than one-quarter of the mtDNA pool of modern Europeans.

posted 12 March 2005 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
It would be interesting to see skeletal reconstruction of some of the heterogeneous natufian types.

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posted 12 March 2005 04:27 PM            

Why?
Ans: The vast majority of West Asians (Southern Arabs, Southern Iranians, etc are dolichocephalic. Therefore these scholars increasing the probability of the Natufians being European is illogical. Caucasians are not the majority of the Middle East today and this was not the case yesterday either. It is very likely that these early Natufians were dark skinned (not tanned/hybrid) West Asian people, akin to the Arabs of the Peninsula.

posted 12 March 2005 04:41 PM            

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Food for Thought, I have been noticing that scholars are pleasing the Africans by being truthful about their history, while still clinging to the fallicious theory that West Asians are Caucasians.

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That's a good observation Roy. You know...Europeans BADLY NEED West Asians placed in 'their' white-European caucasian 'race' catagory because that is the basis upon which Europe lays claim to Mesopotamia, among other things.

The racial discourse in history was created by Europeans and is sustained by them, in order to prepetuate their racial mythology, which is of great political utility to them.

This is also why Eurocentrists cling by the fingernails to a somehow racially-white-european-caucasoid Kemet {Ancient Egypt}. Because one thing leads to another - Ta Seti, Kemet, Sumer, Kush, Axum, Greece.... and once you expose the root fallacies of the ws.t discourse...they all fall like dominoes.

posted 12 March 2005 07:17 PM            

"In summation, the New Kingdom Pharaohs and Queens whose mummies have been recovered bear strong similarity to either contemporary Nubians, as with the XVII and XVIII dynasties, or with Mesolithic-Holocene Nubians, as with the XVIV and XX dynasties. The former dynasties seem to have a strong southern affinity, while the latter possessed evidence of mixing with modern Mediterranean types and also, possibly, with remnants of the old Tasian and Natufian populations. From the few sample available from the XXI Dynasty, there may have been a new infusion from the south at this period."

posted 13 March 2005 09:42 AM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
It would be interesting to see skeletal reconstruction of some of the heterogeneous natufian types.

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Thought Writes:

posted 17 March 2005 11:20 AM            

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The caves of Erg-el-Ahmar......produced 132 individuals for Miss Garrod. All these Natufians share the same physical type, completely different from that of earlier Palestinians. Raymond Furon
"Manuel de Prehistorie Generale"
1958

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