posted 12 May 2005 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Thought2:
Thought Writes:

The Greek people in general carry Sub-Saharan Y-Clades in a frequency approaching ~25% of their gene pool.

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mike...FOLKORE...modern genetics...CORRECTs..the flawed thoughts of otheres...so if ur going to bombared us with eurocentric OUTDATERD..distorted...data..thats unreliable...and invalid...THIS IS NOT DODONA...i just checked that site out...and its ..a ...comedy house...

MIKE...GO BACK TO DODONA...im just frantic at the idea a fragiled mind can see such eurocentric propaganda on the net...

posted 12 May 2005 10:14 PM            

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Dondona: and its ..a ...comedy house

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Agreed. My view is that cites like Dodona, Stormfront, Race 'reality', are not worth educating because the level of discourse is frankly too low.

However, the least ill-educated of the lot, will eventually, inevitably come to sites like this.

I never click on any of Erroneous E's links for example. [so he is wasting his time in that regard ] Whatever he has to say, he can say here, but...don't waste my time.

posted 12 May 2005 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by rasol:

Agreed. My view is that cites like Dodona, Stormfront, Race 'reality', are not worth educating because the level of discourse is frankly too low.

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Thought Writes:

These sorts of sites are like therapy for those who can't seem to accept the results of modern genetic analysis. Hence they get together in a club and blame the results of genetic analysis on some Left Wing, Politically Correct conspiracy. But the fact remains SCIENCE is moving in a very different direction than psuedo-science and the outdated concept of Race.

Thought Posts:

Anthropologist C.L. Brace

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/brace.html

"There is nothing wrong with using geographic labels to designate people. Major continental terms are just fine, and sub-regional refinements such as Western European, Eastern African, Southeast Asian, and so forth carry no unintentional baggage. In contrast, terms such as "Negroid," "Caucasoid," and "Mongoloid" create more problems than they solve. Those very terms reflect a mix of narrow regional, specific ethnic, and descriptive physical components with an assumption that such separate dimensions have some kind of common tie. Biologically, such terms are worse than useless. Their continued use, then, is in social situations where people think they have some meaning."

posted 12 May 2005 10:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Mike the Hellene:
Yeah... "Caucasoid race"... pffffft! As if!

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Yeah...."Berlin Wall"....pffft! As if.

posted 12 May 2005 10:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Mike the Hellene:

Yeah... "Caucasoid race"... pffffft! As if!

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Thought Writes:

Mike, what are you talking about?

posted 12 May 2005 10:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Thought2:
Thought Writes:

Mike, what are you talking about?

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thought

posted 12 May 2005 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Mike the Hellene:

EgyptSearch has made me a new man. I always knew I was black at heart, but with 25% sub-Saharan ancestry, I know I've got a smokin' future as a human boombox. Check out my mad skillz: Ba-doom, bada-bada, bada-boom, ba-da-doom, wicka wicka, posh ba-doom.

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Thought Writes:

Very mature Mike. Instead of addressing the fact that Y-Clade analysis traces migration patterns from East Africa around the circum-Mediteranean basin within the last 10,000 years you ATTEMPT to make off-color jokes that aren't even creative or funny. Let's refocus our energy on science and anthropology. Your loose usage of terminology is reflective of sloppy scholarship. There is no 'Greek race' and the FACT that Greeks have Sub-Saharan genetic lineages does NOT make them Black.

posted 12 May 2005 11:15 PM            

Please, don't go anywhere. I can still be black! You'll see! Just a second!

posted 12 May 2005 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Mike the Hellene:
EgyptSearch has made me a new man. I always knew I was black at heart, but with 25% sub-Saharan ancestry, I know I've got a smokin' future as a human boombox. Check out my mad skillz: Ba-doom, bada-bada, bada-boom, ba-da-doom, wicka wicka, posh ba-doom.

[This message has been edited by Mike the Hellene (edited 12 May 2005).]

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wolf in sheeps clothing

im not familar with Evil E....

but this character...sure mimics Evil E but with a bucket of juvenile smirks....

Ausr is this character one of evil e personal...

posted 12 May 2005 11:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Mike the Hellene:

Here I am chillin' with my crew. The guy with the 25% black ancestry is me. It's like we're all brothers or something.

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Thought Writes:

Mike, as close as you are standing to these guys it is likely that you HAVE had some Black ancestry up in you. If that is why you came over here, well.... we don't swing that way. It's 'Greek' to us!

posted 12 May 2005 11:23 PM            

I am the ghost of Evil Euro! Come to plague the black man with the Hamitic Hypothesis!

posted 12 May 2005 11:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Thought2:
Thought Writes:

Mike, as close as you are standing to these guys it is likely that you HAVE had some Black ancestry up in you. If that is why you came over here, well.... we don't swing that way. It's 'Greek' to us!

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lmao... that's gold.

posted 12 May 2005 11:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Mike the Hellene:

lmao... that's gold.

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Thought Writes:

Mike "The Booty Bandit" finds this funny? I was serious.

posted 12 May 2005 11:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Thought2:
Thought Writes:

Mike, as close as you are standing to these guys it is likely that you HAVE had some Black ancestry up in you. If that is why you came over here, well.... we don't swing that way. It's 'Greek' to us!

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lol...lmao...thought

i was dying in laughter...cause..

if mike is looking for a "group" to join its certainly is not egyptsearch...

im not bashing the guy..

but stay at that...greek "frat"...club...

since i cant speak for all but myself...

does not want to see the sight of that on this forum

egyptians ...egyptsearch doesnt.... swing that "way".....

i know i can blame you Mike...we wont know..

ITS A GREEK THING

posted 13 May 2005 05:21 AM            

As for Mike the Hellene - who has contributed heroically to local mirth and mehem appearing on this board (which is sometimes too hammer and tongs for words) the toga party continues over at...
http://www.egyptology.com/niankhkhnum_khnumhotep/

Forget Bacchus and Pan. Egypt will make a real party animal out of you. Call it a manic cure...

posted 13 May 2005 07:24 AM            

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Originally posted by mali:

boo hooo...evil euro....stop winning...

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posted 13 May 2005 07:27 AM            

Because they're ashamed of this . . .

posted 13 May 2005 10:01 AM            

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rasol posts:
East Africans have been equatorial [black] for many 10's of thousands of years. - CL Brace

dark skinned is the original state of Homo Sapiens - N. Jablonski

claims that Caucasoid peoples once lived in eastern Africa have been shown to be wrong - J.O. Vogel

the peopling of East Africa was carried out by three main African groups: the Cushitic-speaking peoples; the Nilotic-speaking peoples; the Bantu-speaking peoples....ancestors of most present-day East Africans– the Black Africans. - Dr. Elisabeth Dunstan and David Hall

"Hamite" has long been discredited and no longer exists as a legitimate racial, genetic or linguistic concept.

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No answers?

Kush

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Originally posted by Thought2:
Thought Writes:

You didn't even answer my question. I asked you SPECIFICALLY which refuge the Greeks came out of?

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What's taking so long?

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Originally posted by Thought2:
TROPICAL desert covered much of {LGM} Horn of Africa http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/new_africa.html

Please provide ONE study that states East Africa was NON-Tropical during the period in question?

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What's taking so long?

posted 13 May 2005 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
[b]Unrefuted Facts:
What's taking so long?

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posted 14 May 2005 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by rasol:

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Originally posted by Thought2:

Thought Writes:

You didn't even answer my question. I asked you SPECIFICALLY which refuge the Greeks came out of?

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What's taking so long?

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Thought Posts:

Biomed Pharmacother. 2005 May 9; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links

Haplotype XV of the Y-chromosome is the main haplotype in West-Europe.

Dieterlen F, Lucotte G.

Institute of Molecular Anthropology, Paris, France.

We have analyzed Y-chromosome variation in a large sample of males from Western Europe by surveying p49a,f TaqI polymorphisms. Haplotype XV (A3, Cl, D2, Fl, Il) is the main Y-chromosome haplotype in West Europe, with a Basque focus in Southwestern Europe. This study demonstrates that the geographic distribution of Y-chromosome variation for p49a,f TaqI haplotype XV reveals an important genetic identity for populations that live in the Occidental part of Europe.

Thought Posts:

Semino et al.
2000

posted 14 May 2005 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Pimander:

Just a thank you to Super Car and Co. for the information I requested on the monumental Ethiopian "lion" arch. I am intrigued because it appears to be a much larger than life replica of the classic "friction" style of divination used among various African tribes.

As for Mike the Hellene - who has contributed heroically to local mirth and mehem appearing on this board (which is sometimes too hammer and tongs for words) the toga party continues over at...
http://www.egyptology.com/niankhkhnum_khnumhotep/

Forget Bacchus and Pan. Egypt will make a real party animal out of you. Call it a manic cure...

a bientot
DMc

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Thought Writes:

The scene of Bush and the Saudi Prince kissing and holding hands really through America for a tailspin. But we all know that it was a tradition and not homosexuality being expressed. Likewise, Homosexuality was NOT a part of traditional African culture (unlike Greece).

posted 14 May 2005 04:08 PM            

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Thought Posts:

Semino et al.
2000

Population Haplotype Frequency
Dutch Haplotype XV (R1b1) 70.4%
Italian Haplotype XV (R1b1) 62%
French Haplotype XV (R1b1) 52.2%
German Haplotype XV (R1b1) 50%
Greek Haplotype XV (R1b1) 27%
Syrian Haplotype XV (R1b1) 15%[/B]

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posted 14 May 2005 04:33 PM            

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Evil knows not says: Because they're ashamed of this . . .

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First of all most Africans don't live in dwellings like that, or at least not as shabby as that. Second, how many times have people told you that that make-shift hut is used by nomadic people that don't stay in one place too long.

Also, I suggest you read this book:

African Civilizations: Precolonial Cities & States in Tropical Africa - An Archaeological Perspective
by Graham Connah

(btw, the author's not an afrocentric but a white professor of archaeology and anthropology)

posted 14 May 2005 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
...btw, he's not an afrocentric but a white professor of archaeology and anthropology

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Keep in mind that 'Afrocentrism' has been extended to white folks, who even slightly challenge or reject distorted Eurocentric establishments. Think Bernal.

posted 14 May 2005 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
Not this stuff again!

First of all most Africans don't live in dwellings like that, or at least not as shabby as that. Second, how many times have people told you that that make-shift hut is used by nomadic people that don't stay in one place too long.

Also, I suggest you read this book:

[b]African Civilizations: Precolonial Cities & States in Tropical Africa - An Archaeological Perspective
by Graham Connah

(btw, the author's not an afrocentric but a white professor of archaeology and anthropology)

[This message has been edited by Djehuti (edited 14 May 2005).][/B]

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I actually have that book by Graham Connah.

posted 14 May 2005 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Super car:

Can you please give me the title of the Semino et al. study that you took these frequencies from?

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Thought Posts:

http://www.uvm.edu/~biology/Classes/296c/thegenetic.pdf

posted 14 May 2005 09:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

As for Thought, Rasol, and others, what is it with you guys in the Greek-E3b thing?

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Thought Writes:

Djehuti, can you please expand your question to form a complete sentence?

posted 14 May 2005 10:00 PM            

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Thought Posts:

http://www.uvm.edu/~biology/Classes/296c/thegenetic.pdf

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I appreciate it.

posted 15 May 2005 07:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Thought2:
Homosexuality was NOT a part of traditional African culture (unlike Greece).

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"There are at least 33 different cultures in Africa (From the Yoruba in Northern Nigeria and the Barenda of the Northern Transvaal, to the Kamba of East Africa) where marriages between women are recognized. Academics are quick to deny that lesbianism has any role in such arrangements despite considerable evidence to the contrary.

"One study on homosexuality in Africa indicates that of 78 cultures with little contact with Western values, 49 approved of or at least tolerated homosexuality. This may indicate that homophobia (NOT homosexuality) is a Western colonial import."

posted 15 May 2005 07:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
First of all most Africans don't live in dwellings like that, or at least not as shabby as that. Second, how many times have people told you that that make-shift hut is used by nomadic people that don't stay in one place too long.

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Typical African villages:

posted 15 May 2005 09:07 AM            

Erroneous, instead of "looking for Lesbians" online, perhaps you should seek some answers?

Unrefuted Facts:

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rasol posts:
East Africans have been equatorial [black] for many 10's of thousands of years. - CL Brace

dark skinned is the original state of Homo Sapiens - N. Jablonski

claims that Caucasoid peoples once lived in eastern Africa have been shown to be wrong - J.O. Vogel

the peopling of East Africa was carried out by three main African groups: the Cushitic-speaking peoples; the Nilotic-speaking peoples; the Bantu-speaking peoples....ancestors of most present-day East Africans– the Black Africans. - Dr. Elisabeth Dunstan and David Hall

"Hamite" has long been discredited and no longer exists as a legitimate racial, genetic or linguistic concept.

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No answers?

Kush

quote:

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Originally posted by Thought2:
Thought Writes:

You didn't even answer my question. I asked you SPECIFICALLY which refuge the Greeks came out of?

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What's taking so long?

quote:

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Originally posted by Thought2:
TROPICAL desert covered much of {LGM} Horn of Africa http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/new_africa.html

Please provide ONE study that states East Africa was NON-Tropical during the period in question?

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posted 15 May 2005 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:

[b]"There are at least 33 different cultures in Africa (From the Yoruba in Northern Nigeria and the Barenda of the Northern Transvaal, to the Kamba of East Africa) where marriages between women are recognized. Academics are quick to deny that lesbianism has any role in such arrangements despite considerable evidence to the contrary.

"One study on homosexuality in Africa indicates that of 78 cultures with little contact with Western values, 49 approved of or at least tolerated homosexuality. This may indicate that homophobia (NOT homosexuality) is a Western colonial import."

-- Neil Miller, Out in the World: Gay and Lesbian Life From Buenos Aires to Bangkok

[/B]

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Thought Writes:

Peer-reveiwed study please?

There is a clear ANCIENT history to homosexuality and pedophilla in ancient Greece. But anyway this is a side-issue to this forum so I'll leave it alone....

posted 15 May 2005 01:18 PM            

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Evil-Knows not says: "There are at least 33 different cultures in Africa (From the Yoruba in Northern Nigeria and the Barenda of the Northern Transvaal, to the Kamba of East Africa) where marriages between women are recognized. Academics are quick to deny that lesbianism has any role in such arrangements despite considerable evidence to the contrary.

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Actually, there is no lesbianism involved with such "marriages". An anthropology professor of mine actually explained this. That this custom is usually practiced by women in matrilineal societies of Africa where married women who are barren and unable to produce heirs can take on a psuedo-wife which produces heirs for her. This psuedo-wife is usually a woman of low rank and her children take on the name and inheritance of the real wife. No actual lesbianism involved!!

And yes, there are some societies in Africa where homosexuality is present but is really not as common.

posted 15 May 2005 01:23 PM            

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Knows not also says: Typical African villages:

How impressive.

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Again I say read

posted 15 May 2005 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

And yes, there are some societies in Africa where homosexuality is present but is really not as common.

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Thought Writes:

And that is very different than an actual ANCIENT HISTORICAL record of homosexual practices in Africa. Many things happen in Africa NOW.

posted 15 May 2005 01:48 PM            

Greeks are 100% heterosexual.
Greeks are 100% heterosexual.
Greeks are 100% heterosexual.
Greeks are 100% heterosexual.

posted 15 May 2005 01:49 PM            

There is an interesting book by Classicist Eva C. Keuls called Reign of the Phallus. It gives a very in depth look at sexual politics of Classical Greece and how it pervaded everything in their society!

posted 15 May 2005 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Thought2:
Thought Writes:

Peer-reveiwed study please?

There is a clear ANCIENT history to homosexuality and pedophilla in ancient Greece. But anyway this is a side-issue to this forum so I'll leave it alone....

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Thats all that evil..Euro..can cling onto

Ancient Greece the "post child" of homosexuality. The "love of a man"...

posted 15 May 2005 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Thought2:
Thought Writes:

Peer-reveiwed study please?

There is a clear ANCIENT history to homosexuality and pedophilla in ancient Greece. But anyway this is a side-issue to this forum so I'll leave it alone....

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Thats all that evil..Euro..can cling onto

Ancient Greece the "poster child" of homosexuality. The "love of a man"...

posted 16 May 2005 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Thought2:

Thought Writes:

You didn't even answer my question. I asked you SPECIFICALLY which refuge the Greeks came out of?

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Originally posted by Rasol:

What's taking so long?

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Originally posted by Thought2:

Thought Posts:

Biomed Pharmacother. 2005 May 9;

Haplotype XV (R1b1) of the Y-chromosome is the main haplotype in West-Europe.

Dieterlen F, Lucotte G.

Institute of Molecular Anthropology, Paris, France.

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Thought Posts:

"Concerning the East Mediterranean, haplotype frequencies fall from Albania (14.7%) and Ex-Yugoslavia (10%) to value 3.8% in Greece and 2.6% in Central Turkey."