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kafir 4ever
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What is faith? Faith is belief in something without evidence. Once you have the evidence it is no more belief but knowledge. For example, there are people who believe in the Bigfoot. The Bigfoot is said to be a human-like animal living in North America. There is not enough evidence of the existence of such creature, yet some believe that it exists. If this belief is strong it becomes faith.

But what will happen if we actually find such creature? Do you say that you “believe” that Bigfoot exists? No, at that time you “know” that it exists. Knowledge is based on facts. Belief is based on suppositions and lack of facts. Primitive people invented fables and gods and believed in them. They built religions around them. Even today some people believe that snakes are gods, some believe in cows, some believe that rats are the spirits of their ancestors, others believe that a black meteorite is fallen from heaven and therefore must be worshipped. Muslims believe that Muhammad split the moon, they believe that he performed Vudoo as soon as he was born and started to praise Allah. Jews believe that Moses parted the Red Sea and Christians believe that Jesus rouse from the dead and ascended to heaven. All of these religious people believe that Noah collected all the living animals in his ark while the whole earth was flooded for 40 days. They don’t doubt the absurdity of these beliefs. How could the polar bear go to Canaan? Who informed the Australian Kangaroos to head to Middle East? How these animals got there? All these stories are absurd. There is no evidence for any of them, yet people believe in them, because belief does not require evidence.

Logically it does not make sense that god send a messenger in a corner of the world without the rest of the world having the chance to learn about it immediately. If we are all children of God we all should have equal chance for salvation. God could have sent thousands of messengers with the same message in every corner of the world.

Also it make no sense that god make his message so confusing and illogical. All these so-called holy books are replete with scientific incongruencies, errors and absurdities. A host of apologists are trying desperately to reinterpret the so-called “difficulties” in their holy books. Shouldn’t the message of God be simple and clear to understand?

All those calling themselves prophets wanted to keep people ignorant. They were a bunch of liars and impostors. They kept telling you it is not up to you to test God, but God must test you. They praised people for believing without questioning. The stronger was this belief, the better it was. Of course it was better for them, because people did not dare to question them and expose their lies. Now that we are mature, we have to ask these questions. We have to become skeptic and doubt whatever we were told and accepted as true. This does not mean to reject everything. It means we should ask for facts and stop believing things for which we have no evidence. It’s time to “know” not to “believe”. Doubt is the path to knowledge. If you don’t doubt you don’t ask and if you don’t ask you’ll not learn. The world owes to men and women who doubted. We owe to Galileo to Copernicus to Newton, to Einstein and to all those who doubted what they were told and found the facts. Now we no more BELIEVE that the Earth is flat but we KNOW that it is round.

The so called Holy books never helped humans in their scientific quest. We invented the television, the Internet and every other thing when we stopped believing in the mumbo jumbo of those prophets and tried to find our own way.

We humans are all created equal. We are all endowed with reason. We can put our heads together and find the truth helping each other, but it would be a mistake to take someone as our guru and follow him blindly. No man is infallible. Become a skeptic and accept only what makes sense to YOU.
Following blindly one’s father’s religion is the source of all human ignorance, division, hatred and most of the wars and bloodshed. We perpetuate those fallacies and fight with each other to impose them on others. If we independently searched for the truth, we would have found that no one can find the absolute truth and we would have become understanding of each other instead of condemning each other, calling each other Kafir and Murtad as we do know.

Truth is very hard to accept when you are cocooned in lies and deceit. Your emotional attachment to those lies makes it extremely painful to face the truth. For example, a child loves his father immensely. What will happen to him if someone tells him that his father is a thief? He cannot accept it. His emotions come in between and force him to deny it. His father might be a thief indeed, but it is not possible for this person to see that. That is why the acceptance of the truth is hard. Truth will set you free, but it is very bitter and hard to swallow. What is easy is faith. You can easily believe in anything if you allow yourself to believe it.

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Faith has six pillar

To beleive in:
amantu bllah
1.There is One God and
2 His angels
3. His Scriptures
4. His Messengers
5. Day of Judgement
6. all is Pre-Decree by Him

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quote:
Originally posted by kafir 4ever:
What is faith? Faith is belief in something without evidence.

Faith *is* believing in something without evidence. So?

I haven't seen any scientific theory or fact that somehow refutes or disproves the existence of God. To me, it all *leads* to God.

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quote:
Originally posted by Snoozin:
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Originally posted by kafir 4ever:
What is faith? Faith is belief in something without evidence.

Faith *is* believing in something without evidence. So?

I haven't seen any scientific theory or fact that somehow refutes or disproves the existence of God. To me, it all *leads* to God.

Believing in God is one thing, but believing in every absurdity of Muhammad as the *words* of God is quite another. That is an insult to God.

Like Galileo said: I do not think it is necessary to believe that the same God who has given us our senses, reason, and intelligence wished us to abandon their use, giving us by some other means the information that we could gain through them. ~ Galileo Galilei (1564 ~ 1642)

God endowed us with reason. Could god have such big lapse of judgment to pick a low life like Muhammad to be his messenger? Could a man of such and ethic low moralal values guide humanity?
Muhammad's use of religion to justify his exploitation of women to satisfy his sexual desires has led to Islamic sexual exploitation of women throughout history. His use of sex and divine revelations into manipulating his followers into going to war against the infidel has led to a history of bloody wars against the non-believers and murder of non-believers that continues to this day.

Can a thief teach us honesty? Can a murderer tell us about human dignity and the sacredness of life? Can woman abuser protect the rights of women?
Is it more reasonable to believe that God is a merciless tyrant as described in the Quran or that the Quran is a false book?

Is it reasonable to accept a lunatic god as described in the Quran or is it more reasonable to believe that Muhammad did not receive any revelation or that he had any knowledge of divine reality.

Does it make sense to believe in a vengeful, vindictive God?
'God says do what you wish, but make the wrong choice and you will be tortured for eternity in hell. That, sir, is not free will. It would be akin to a man telling his girlfriend, 'Do what you wish, but if you choose to leave me, I will track you down and blow your brains out.' When a man says this we call him a psychopath and cry out for his imprisonment/execution. When a god says the same, we call him loving and build churches in his honor'. ~ William C. Easttom II

It is surprising that while so many people admit that there is something unjust in the structure of this world they accept all that injustice under the pretext that God must know what he is doing and we are not to even think of questioning him.

~ A doubter might come closer to God than all the churchgoers. ~

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''I'm not against God. I'm against the Misuse of God.'' ~ Marilyn Manson

I agree.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kamal211:
Faith has six pillar

To beleive in:
amantu bllah
1.There is One God and
2 His angels
3. His Scriptures
4. His Messengers
5. Day of Judgement
6. all is Pre-Decree by Him

Rule #1 when interpreting God or the will of God is to keep it to yourself unless you want to become the God of someone else's life.
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quote:
Originally posted by kafir 4ever:
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Rule #1 when interpreting God or the will of God is to keep it to yourself unless you want to become the God of someone else's life.
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Tell that to Kafir.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tiger,Tiger:
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Originally posted by kafir 4ever:

Rule #1 when interpreting God or the will of God is to keep it to yourself unless you want to become the God of someone else's life.
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Tell that to Kafir. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Bwah hahahh! ROFL!!!! [Big Grin]

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