But I don't understand your need to bash Islam here on a site whose membership is predominately Muslim. What is it you are trying to accomplish?

Because if you think spewing evil and cruel things about a person's religion is somehow going to make them *leave* that religion, you are only fooling yourselves. They will only entrench themselves further in their love for Islam. There are a lot of things I hate about my country (US), and I'm trying to fix them, but if someone comes out of left field excoriating my nation without trying to offer constructive criticism, it just makes me defend the US even more (even if I somehow agree with them!).

Do you *enjoy* being mean and cruel and insulting? Then you are no better than the evil you claim exists in Islam, as you denounce an entire religion.

So my real question to you is, what are you doing to make this world a better place? What, if anything, are you doing to reduce poverty? To increase health care and education? To reach out to your neighbor in peace? How much food have you given to your local food bank recently? Have you taken in a foster child? Have you even taken in a foster *pet?* What charities do you contribute to? What charities do you volunteer with? What have you done to improve race relations? What have you done to help abused children? How many times have you merely *smiled* at someone today who looks like he needs a smile?

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Because if you think spewing evil and cruel things about a person's religion is somehow going to make them *leave* that religion, you are only fooling yourselves. They will only entrench themselves further in their love for Islam.[/B]

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You know what, your hypocrisy makes me soo sick. Where are you when people are spewing hatred on our religion or our way of life? That is also cruel. At least the claims I make are not false. It is not my fault that Quran says cruel things.

We are only reacting to your holier than thou attitude, and responding to your insults.
You called me idiot and stupid in another thread. Thank you, you just got me started.

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Originally posted by kafir4ever:
You know what, your hypocrisy makes me soo sick. Where are you when people are spewing hatred on our religion or our way of life? That is also cruel. At least the claims I make are not false. It is not my fault that Quran says cruel things.

We are only reacting to your holier than thou attitude, and responding to your insults.
You called me idiot and stupid in another thread. Thank you, you just got me started.

I suggest you learn first to show respect to other people and quit calling them idiots if they dare react to your insults. Then we might start respecting you too.

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Originally posted by kafir4ever:
You know what, your hypocrisy makes me soo sick. Where are you when people are spewing hatred on our religion or our way of life? That is also cruel. At least the claims I make are not false. It is not my fault that Quran says cruel things.

We are only reacting to your holier than thou attitude, and responding to your insults.
You called me idiot and stupid in another thread. Thank you, you just got me started.

I suggest you learn first to show respect to other people and quit calling them idiots if they dare react to your insults. Then we might start respecting you too.

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Funny. Somehow I *knew* you wouldn't answer my question. And I don't ever remember calling anyone an idiot. You'll have to point that out to me.

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Originally posted by kafir4ever:
I suggest you learn first to show respect to other people and quit calling them idiots if they dare react to your insults. Then we might start respecting you too.

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I sincerely do not want your respect. I sincerely want you to be more kind to the human race as a whole.

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Originally posted by kafir4ever:
You called me idiot and stupid in another thread. Thank you, you just got me started.

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That puzzled me. While I'm not saying I'm immune from calling someone an idiot or stupid, it's really not my style. So I did a search on my name and *stupid* and *idiot* and it only came up with one post. I mentioned that America's village idiot must be the one posting the porn on one of the threads. So, Mr. President, I apologize.

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Snoozin, You truly give me hope that there are still good ppl in this world. thanks for that dear.

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You are too kind to me, Serendipity. But thank you.

There are many people here on ES like you, who really add (positively) to my life. Thank *you.*

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Originally posted by Serendipity:
Btw, the word idiot is actually not an insult AT ALL!!Its from the old greek, which literary meant "anti politics" which was said as an insult for the ppl who were not interested in politics which at that time was a big discrace.
Soooo coming from that its not an insult at ALL. in todays politics it would be a compliment!

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Really, I had no idea. That is interesting...guess you could say, then, the US is filled with idiots.

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Originally posted by Snoozin:
Really, I had no idea. That is interesting...guess you could say, then, the US is filled with idiots.

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hehe its amazing what some word that today may be offensive or be words with lots of emotions can be in reality just rubbish.

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Originally posted by Snoozin:
So my real question to you is, what are you doing to make this world a better place? What, if anything, are you doing to reduce poverty? To increase health care and education? To reach out to your neighbor in peace? How much food have you given to your local food bank recently? Have you taken in a foster child? Have you even taken in a foster *pet?* What charities do you contribute to? What charities do you volunteer with? What have you done to improve race relations? What have you done to help abused children? How many times have you merely *smiled* at someone today who looks like he needs a smile?

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I asked these questions of people who post hateful types of messages for one reason. If you actually *are* doing charitable work, it keeps you mindful of other humans, of their differences and similarities, of their strengths and fragilities. It makes you *less likely* to attack.

I think, on the other hand, if a person leads a very self-centered life, he or she is more inclined to feel such fear of others. And it truly is fear that motivates hatred.

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Originally posted by kafir4ever:
You know what, your hypocrisy makes me soo sick. Where are you when people are spewing hatred on our religion or our way of life? That is also cruel. At least the claims I make are not false. It is not my fault that Quran says cruel things.

We are only reacting to your holier than thou attitude, and responding to your insults.
You called me idiot and stupid in another thread. Thank you, you just got me started.

I suggest you learn first to show respect to other people and quit calling them idiots if they dare react to your insults. Then we might start respecting you too.

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Isn't Snoozin a christian?
I guess you just answered yourself didn't you 'idiot' ?

Thank you for your post.

You are right. There is no need for bashing someone’s religion or way of life. There are people who bash things because they do not know what it really is and so they simply ‘bash’ them out of fear like homosexuality. I am not homosexual but we shouldn’t bash them just because they are homosexual.

However, saying that on the other hand you try to treat them like God would as much as humanly possible to treat them but you should also inform them that what they are doing is wrong unforcefully with a reason why . If they accept it fine, if they don’t it like water off a duck’s back.

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Do you *enjoy* being mean and cruel and insulting? Then you are no better than the evil you claim exists in Islam, as you denounce an entire religion.
So my real question to you is, what are you doing to make this world a better place? What, if anything, are you doing to reduce poverty? To increase health care and education? To reach out to your neighbor in peace? How much food have you given to your local food bank recently? Have you taken in a foster child? Have you even taken in a foster *pet?* What charities do you contribute to? What charities do you volunteer with? What have you done to improve race relations? What have you done to help abused children? How many times have you merely *smiled* at someone today who looks like he needs a smile?

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Where have I been cruel and insulting? Being cruel saying that someone’s religion is evil and teasing it, mocking it and them for no reason. I have not mocked Islam. Concerning the theological aspect of Islam have I not backed up the arguments with Koran and Authentic Hadis? Inviting everyone to put in their input and having their say, is this fair or not?

Not only that, I have asked people both registered on this board and visitors to check my posts and information with my arguments to see if what I am saying is valid. No one would do this if they have doubt on what they are saying.

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So my real question to you is, what are you doing to make this world a better place?

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Assuming what your saying is what steps have I taken to improve this world, it does not matter to anyone else but between me and God. I have to answer to God alone, as so does everyone else independently.

Islam theologically
My real last name is not ‘Elias’ so I could be anyone in the world. I could be on the welfare payment or I could be running my own business. Does this make a difference to my theological points against Islam and for Christianity? If it does in your mind, why?
If not, then feel free to go through my points and see what is right or not without calling me a basher. We should all be learning on this forum and who knows? I could be wrong. But until someone undoubtedly proves my point wrong, My point is right and Islam is wrong.

Speaking of theology, I not only discuss religion with Muslims, but also Roman Catholics, Jehovah’s witnesses, Protestants, new age, atheists etc. It always good to learn something. However the golden rule is if you can’t objectively and logically prove your religion right then leave it.

One last point in which didn’t I debate with you about the fundamentals of human nature whether we are good or bad? I also remember our conversation about the ‘paths’ to God. You’re not Islamic and yet I debated with you then, so hence your theory that I only ‘bash’ Islam does not stick.

Islam’s ideology
Do you really think that anyone would believe ‘Islam’ is translated to ‘peace’? You would be surprised how many people do. This is because Islam allows the practitioners to lie to infidels because they are at war. I remember in real life a Pakistanian Muslim, a real one, was trying to me (and he doesn't speak Arabic) that Islam was translated in 'peace.' How can I convert to a religion that this is allowed (Dar el Harb).

On and on not only I have heard people in this forum lie through their teeth but in real life Muslims feel no shame as they tell me ‘jihad is only to overcome the soul’s temptation and terrorists interpret this in the wrong way to kill other people etc. etc.’ With God’s support I try to tell people, everyone that this is a pure lie but only when they engage me into a religious conversation. No one should go around screaming that Muslims lie but on the other hand I will not back down from my point until I am proven wrong, fair enough?

I state that Islam is not a beautiful religion. I believe that Muslims are brainwashed themselves into believing that this murderer, rapist, pedophile, liar is the prophet of God. I have made my claims with proof, if you disagree with it then feel free to prove me wrong. If you can’t do it then don’t convert to it and don’t stop me from posting articles on this forum by calling me a ‘basher.’

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If you do these types of things, and do them consistently, I promise that you will change the world to a better place much more quickly than if you spend your time denigrating those things you do not agree with.

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I half agree with this comment. I believe in general that religion is a pandorras box, if anyone doesn’t understand then don’t defend it (this is not directly aimed at you).

Many hundreds if not thousands of people go through this religious forum daily. They see the arguments that are for and against Islam and Christianity and they can make up their minds for themselves if the people are really just haters or if they are justified.

I know Islam is religion that specifically the most intolerant, violent religion in the world. Allah commands the humiliation, terror and discrimination to all religious minorities under their control and this is something that no one should respect.

With this in mind, look at the previous arguments and see if I am a basher or do I make sense.

In our conversations on this site, I don't feel like you have ever *bashed* Islam so this wasn't really directed at you. I am totally fine with people not liking a particular religion, with criticizing it in a respectful way. We cannot have good open dialogue and therefore cannot learn if we all entirely agree with each other.

I know you hold strong feelings against Islam, and that's fine with me. I might disagree with you, but like I said, we cannot learn if we are all on the same page all the time.

There are people who post such evil, cruel things here, that it makes me question the human heart sometimes. But that's *my* own battle to fight.

So, truce, OK?

Whatever then is found to be true would be accepted as being true and whatever is found to be false will be rejected as being false.

That is an Islamic law by the way. If you know something that is not true then you must be unafraid and state it the matter will then be discussed and whatever if found true is accepted as being true and whatever is found false will be rejected as being false.

I had no real interest in the fabricated religion of Islam at that Time but they goaded and goaded me and so I accepted their Chalolenge and went to their forum where over 1000 Muslims were waiting to defend their religion from my God given Revelations.

That very day people islam bit the Dust and not one Muslim not one muslim could defend their religion from me. As you see the whole of Islam is powerless as I out right proved by the Sura 4?82 that the Koran did not come from God and that fact proved Muhammad was a liar and a fraud and the Islamic law that was invoked forces all Muslims to convert away from Islam and reject the Koran and the blasphemous words of Muhammad.

Those Muslims who challenged me then realise they were poerless and they all shirked away after all their bragging they all shirked away and they did that by deception.

They thought the challenge would end if they just vanished in their shirk. But they had goaded me to challenge Islam and I challenged the whole of Islam world wide. So the challenge is being passed about and Muslims are being converted and they are rejecting the Koran and the words of Muhammad because islamic law and blasphmey laws say they must.

So Muslims demanded I challenge Islam and its followers and as you see I am doing exactly that. So stop whining for pity and attempt to defend your religion of convert. What is it do you not think Islam can be defended in your views. Have I shown too much of that proof already that proves the Koran does not come from God taking the power out of your sales. Well I think you blow out enough wind now why not put that to good use and show everyone how you can defend Islam. The Sura 4:82 challenge is easy to reply to but I say you Muslims are right proper shirkers who dare not and cannot explain away all those many errors that exist in the Koran.

I say go tell your Imams what has been said and how Starjade can convert Muslims and even Imams away from the fabricated religion of Islam using hahaha Islamic law and the Sura 4:82. Get your Imam online and see how he fares Warn him I eat Imams for breakfast and he is not in a position to defend his religion and he may think he can but I will enlighten him. Islamic law forces Imams to convert also. It forces all Muslims to convert. So either way you will eat the Dust.

Moses led the Hebrews into the Red Sea but Starjade leads Muslims into denial.

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Originally posted by Starjade:
I say go tell your Imams what has been said and how Starjade can convert Muslims and even Imams away from the fabricated religion of Islam using hahaha Islamic law and the Sura 4:82. Get your Imam online and see how he fares Warn him I eat Imams for breakfast and he is not in a position to defend his religion and he may think he can but I will enlighten him. Islamic law forces Imams to convert also. It forces all Muslims to convert. So either way you will eat the Dust.

Moses led the Hebrews into the Red Sea but Starjade leads Muslims into denial.

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I disagree with this comment. Muslims have a certain rigid ness when it comes to admitting they are wrong. Especially Imams.

Logic doesn’t apply to the Muslim mind. They consider themselves the victims and that all infidels are actually out to hurt them. Not only that but they consider themselves better than everyone else and that then gives them the right to do what they want to us because we are nothing and not only that, but we’ve done something really bad somewhere down the line of history so revenge is sweet.

Take the Beslan Massicare (May God rest their souls) where Muslims planned to actually kill innocent school children in the name of Islam because kafer Russian politics wouldn’t allow Chechnya to liberate. I am not saying that the Russians are right or wrong but what I am saying is that slaughtering innocent children is wrong.

Now back the Muslim mind. It doesn’t accept any logic concerning humans. It’s us vs. them mentality I never heard a real Sheik in the Kingdom, Iran, Iraq etc. that condemned the murderers and emigrated sheikhs go on about how much of a ‘tragedy’ this was. Why is that? This is because were dirty kafers, not humans as such.

Not a peep from the Islamic leadership of Arabic countries. Infact, they believe we deserved it. Imams don’t convert, they can’t convert even if they wanted too. The killing of the apostates is much worse to the imam than the average Ahmed because he is in a higher position.

People's thoughts?

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People's thoughts?

God bless,
Benjamin Elias
zaki_boxing@yahoo.com

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My thoughts are I still haven't hear from people like Kafir and Starjade about what they do, if anything, to help people on this planet.

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Originally posted by ben_elias:
I disagree with this comment. Muslims have a certain rigid ness when it comes to admitting they are wrong. Especially Imams.

Logic doesn’t apply to the Muslim mind. They consider themselves the victims and that all infidels are actually out to hurt them. Not only that but they consider themselves better than everyone else and that then gives them the right to do what they want to us because we are nothing and not only that, but we’ve done something really bad somewhere down the line of history so revenge is sweet.

Take the Beslan Massicare (May God rest their souls) where Muslims planned to actually kill innocent school children in the name of Islam because kafer Russian politics wouldn’t allow Chechnya to liberate. I am not saying that the Russians are right or wrong but what I am saying is that slaughtering innocent children is wrong.

Now back the Muslim mind. It doesn’t accept any logic concerning humans. It’s us vs. them mentality I never heard a real Sheik in the Kingdom, Iran, Iraq etc. that condemned the murderers and emigrated sheikhs go on about how much of a ‘tragedy’ this was. Why is that? This is because were dirty kafers, not humans as such.

Not a peep from the Islamic leadership of Arabic countries. Infact, they believe we deserved it. Imams don’t convert, they can’t convert even if they wanted too. The killing of the apostates is much worse to the imam than the average Ahmed because he is in a higher position.

People's thoughts?

God bless,
Benjamin Elias
zaki_boxing@yahoo.com

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Originally posted by everyday_angel:
What about the infalibility of the catholic church, the pope? I will await your next post questioning them and giving points to your opinions and questions. After all, we do want to be fair.

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Hi Everyday_angel,

I'm not Catholic im Coptic. I don't believe in the infalibility of the Pope nor do I believe in the doctrines of the Catholics that contridicts the Oriental Orthodox.

Don't compare me with the Catholics. This is like comparing the Sunni with the Druze then coming to the conclusion that Islam is not the real religion because Druze contridicts Sunni Can I blame Sunni Islam for Hakim's instanity?

What I mean is 'After all, we do want to be fair.'

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Hi Susan,

Thank you for your post.

You are right. There is no need for bashing someone’s religion or way of life. There are people who bash things because they do not know what it really is and so they simply ‘bash’ them out of fear like homosexuality. I am not homosexual but we shouldn’t bash them just because they are homosexual.

However, saying that on the other hand you try to treat them like God would as much as humanly possible to treat them but you should also inform them that what they are doing is wrong unforcefully [b] with a reason why . If they accept it fine, if they don’t it like water off a duck’s back.

I half agree with this comment. I believe in general that religion is a pandorras box, if anyone doesn’t understand then don’t defend it (this is not directly aimed at you).

Many hundreds if not thousands of people go through this religious forum daily. They see the arguments that are for and against Islam and Christianity and they can make up their minds for themselves if the people are really just haters or if they are justified.

I know Islam is religion that specifically the most intolerant, violent religion in the world. Allah commands the humiliation, terror and discrimination to all religious minorities under their control and this is something that no one should respect.

With this in mind, look at the previous arguments and see if I am a basher or do I make sense.

God bless,
Benjamin Elias (not my real name)
zaki_boxing@yahoo.com[/B]

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Kafir4eva, Ben and Starjade - Are you really here to consider the Muslim point of view? Do you really want answers to your questions? It seems to me that your minds are made up and closed.. it doesn't matter what we say because before we have even written a word you believe we are wrong.

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Originally posted by Leila:
Kafir4eva, Ben and Starjade - Are you really here to consider the Muslim point of view? Do you really want answers to your questions? It seems to me that your minds are made up and closed.. it doesn't matter what we say because before we have even written a word you believe we are wrong.

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Assalamu alaykum Leila,

They are not here to discuss, but to argue/try to prove their point of view. Whatever you say will not change their mind as they have closed their hearts and don't want to listen. They think they know better. And when one of them eventually disappears another one comes with the same arguments that they have been preparing before they came and have probably been trying out on another board previously, or the same cut and paste articles that we have seen here before, and they expect the people who come to this forum to relax to spend all their time answering all their millions of questions and points, instead of doing something positive with our lives somewhere else. Personally if people what to know something I am more that willing to discuss ideas with them and try to find answers for them if I can, but to spend my time answering people who don't want to listen, but just come here to argue thinking that they understand Islam better than we do, no thanks!

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I don't know how many of the posters here are old enough to have watched the 1960's propaganda videos / movies against marijuana ...

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No, what were they about? (I was alive in the 60s but maybe not very aware, and no, that doesn't mean I was doing drugs. I was three.)

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No, what were they about? (I was alive in the 60s but maybe not very aware, and no, that doesn't mean I was doing drugs. I was three.)

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They caricatured the effects of dope to the extreme - and it had an opposite effect ... driving kids into seeing if it "really" was such a wild and crazy thing.

A single puff of a joint would turn women into raving nymphomaniacs who'd tear their clothes off and jump the first man that they could lay their hands on ... young men would grow horns (literally !) and become thieves, murderers, rapists ... hilarious stuff !!

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Originally posted by Pendarth:
They caricatured the effects of dope to the extreme - and it had an opposite effect ... driving kids into seeing if it "really" was such a wild and crazy thing.

A single puff of a joint would turn women into raving nymphomaniacs who'd tear their clothes off and jump the first man that they could lay their hands on ... young men would grow horns (literally !) and become thieves, murderers, rapists ... hilarious stuff !!

(I watched it in the 70's during my college years ... it was one of the best comedies screened on campus)

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That's really interesting, because a lot of this anti-Islam stuff on this site is actually driving me *to* Islam! It's very funny to watch the psychological effects it's having on me. Of course, I know it's happening, so I won't be swayed by it. (If I choose to convert, it's because *I* made the decision to do it). It's just weird seeing it happen to myself.

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Originally posted by Leila:
Snoozin - thank you for posting this.. you are absolutely right..the world would be a much better place if people of all faiths put into practice the morality and goodness they preach.. rather than sitting behind a computer and attacking other religions as evil and immoral.

Kafir4eva, Ben and Starjade - Are you really here to consider the Muslim point of view? Do you really want answers to your questions? It seems to me that your minds are made up and closed.. it doesn't matter what we say because before we have even written a word you believe we are wrong.

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Hi Leila,

Please read through my arguments and see that I always ask people to go through my point and put in their input.

Have I once said I am right and only because I said so? If I have, where? Every argument has been left open for everyone to debate.

Yes I want your answers. Go through my posts and see what is true and what is not and objectively prove me wrong, this goes for everyone else.

If you can't objectively prove me wrong (and I am not concerned with the other people) then that means I am right and Islam is wrong. If Islam is wrong, don't hold onto a religion that is incorrect.

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ostaz ya ben!!!

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Men el Kedese bas. Kristos Anesti!

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Assalamu alaykum Leila,

They are not here to discuss, but to argue/try to prove their point of view. Whatever you say will not change their mind as they have closed their hearts and don't want to listen. They think they know better. And when one of them eventually disappears another one comes with the same arguments that they have been preparing before they came and have probably been trying out on another board previously, or the same cut and paste articles that we have seen here before, and they expect the people who come to this forum to relax to spend all their time answering all their millions of questions and points, instead of doing something positive with our lives somewhere else. Personally if people what to know something I am more that willing to discuss ideas with them and try to find answers for them if I can, but to spend my time answering people who don't want to listen, but just come here to argue thinking that they understand Islam better than we do, no thanks!

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Thats funny. Weren't you the same person who thinking about challenging me, I agreed then you completely disappeared off the block?

Well everyone has their chance to prove me wrong objectively. You say I don't want to debate but I think I am right, then why would I ask people to prove me wrong? To 'enlighten' me? I have used Koran and Authentic Hadis, since you have the perfect religion then feel free where I have incorrectly used them. We should use the Arabic translation instead of the English if Yusuf Ali contridicts the Arabic.

I wrote about verse 4.82 in another thread. Prove the logic that applies to that wrong, we are all open to your imput.

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Thats funny. Weren't you the same person who thinking about challenging me, I agreed then you completely disappeared off the block?

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It was the other way round, I was the one you were trying to goad into an argument, but if you had read my whole post, not just skimmed through it, you would have read my reasons for deciding not to bother.

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Hi Newcommer,

Actually you started it by saying I'm just another Anti-Islamic guy. I answered your points. Look at the post on the 1st of August, That was my last response to you and you didn't write back.

Starjade says: (cough splutter) scuse me a minute you made me laugh so much from those words that nose goo is splattering out of my nostrils over my computer screen. All I can say is you need to get out more. I have already had conversations with Imams and they are afraid of me and cannot face the cold reality of my God given Revelations and trust me they went into denial. Now they dare not face me. They still come online for a chat of course and their religious knowledge betrays them yet still powerless to defend islam and knowing that for a fact has made them all hide their faces from me. So as you see I call those chicken legged Imams out so their shame forces them to give their account. They even ignore Islamic law and the Sura 4:82 of the Koran. Imagine that an Imam and muslims all ignoring Islamic law and the words of the Koran. That makes their situation even more laughable. What kind of Muslim is that. Trust me Ben I do get about and lots of Muslims have certainly encountered me and they are shirkers. Not religious men of God.

Ben Elias you said:
Logic doesn’t apply to the Muslim mind.

Starjade says: Aint that the truth

Ben Elias you said:
They consider themselves the victims and that all infidels are actually out to hurt them. Not only that but they consider themselves better than everyone else and that then gives them the right to do what they want to us because we are nothing and not only that, but we’ve done something really bad somewhere down the line of history so revenge is sweet.

Starjade says: Yes I have seen many Muslims perform of course in my situation it is they who really do become victims as I make them eat the dust of their golden calf the Koran. They do not act so clever when their religious beliefs are proven unreliable. They are false prophet worshippers and worshippers of a God of that false Prophets imagination which makes all Muslims guilty of Blasphemy and those who commit Blasphemy are Devils in disguise. Hence evil deeds are expected. Tsk Tsk Tsk.

Ben Elias you said:

Take the Beslan Massicare (May God rest their souls) where Muslims planned to actually kill innocent school children in the name of Islam because kafer Russian politics wouldn’t allow Chechnya to liberate. I am not saying that the Russians are right or wrong but what I am saying is that slaughtering innocent children is wrong.

Starjade says: I agree that act was a shame on Islam. I told those Chechnyans to stop their warrings years ago. They did not listen of course. I pointed out as was seen in the world wars, those Russians will die in their millions defending their territories and Chechnya was in Russian Territory. So they continue to war at great loss of life and now look how they live in a ruined city that Russia will have no reason to re build.

As for those who went into that school to kill and be blown up that kind of murder is done by those losing their own children or having their own childrens arms and legs blown off by bombs and such things. Evil begats Evil. When you consider what happened to Muslim children then you can see what motivated a cold heart to commit such atrocities.

Ben Elias you said:
Now back the Muslim mind. It doesn’t accept any logic concerning humans. It’s us vs. them mentality I never heard a real Sheik in the Kingdom, Iran, Iraq etc. that condemned the murderers and emigrated sheikhs go on about how much of a ‘tragedy’ this was. Why is that? This is because were dirty kafers, not humans as such.

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The Thing about the Muslim mind is they are motivated by brainwashing from the Koran. Hence when I speak with Muslims I speak under Islamic law which you have seen me already post. That gives me a right to speak and it gives Muslims a right to respond. Then I quote the Sura 4:82 Challenge that gives me a way to get that Muslim mind to listen after all I am using words of the Koran so who is a Muslim who thinks they could ignore such a thing.

Islamic law and the Sura 4:82 of the Koran is really the only way a Muslim is allowed to speak but of course many muslims are really thick and stupid and not that religiously minded and so they do not know.

Ben Elias you said:
Not a peep from the Islamic leadership of Arabic countries. In fact, they believe we deserved it. Imams don’t convert, they can’t convert even if they wanted too.

Starjade says: I do note your opinion but it is in error. Islamic law forces all Muslims to convert from the ordinary grunt in the street right up to the Kalipha. They say no Muslim can convert once they become a Muslim. Well according to Islamic law they must reject the words of the Koran and Mad Muhammad and convert from Islam because otherwise they commit open Blasphemy.

Incidentally it can be proven I do Prophesies real earthquakes and I have seen many world wide earthquakes and so I can judge and stone entire continents to death and so be sure I am in Judgment and in a position to follow religious laws on Blasphemy so it is not the wise of any Muslim to commit Blasphemy or follow false Prophets or worship false Gods. Not whiles I know about it and am in Judgments. The wrath of the Living God will be upon them if they ignore the Living Gods demands that they do not follow false prophets or worship Gods of that false prophet’s imagination. At the least I offer them Redemption.

The Sura 4:82 and the many errors found in the Koran prove outright by the words of the Koran itself that The Koran did not come from God. Islamic law will force even Imams to convert. Of course if they are not religious men who do not submit to the will of the Living God of Abraham and of Moses and of Starjade then they will ignore Islamic law and the words of the Koran and continue to spread the word of a false Prophet and an imagined God called Allah and that is their shame to carry isn’t it. No man is above religious law.

Besides as the Koran is proven to not come from God and Muhammad is by that revelation proven to be a liar and a fraud who is presumptuous to think he could speak in Gods name then Muslims do not have an authentic religion. So either way they are going to bite the Dust especially as the much loved Doomsday prophet has challenged Islam and got them all by their short and curlies.

Starjade says; Come now newcomer you are being deceptive. I do not try and prove my points of view I outright prove my God given Revelations are facts and already Muslims cannot dispute them and neither can you. I am not ignoring the truth or Islamic law or the Sura 4:82 as a matter of convenience to you. Dispute those errors and that settles that matter. But you know you cannot dispute my words. I am the immortal Doomsday prophet Starjade and all who come before me to dispute the truth of my words bites the Dust. Even you dare not take up that challenge.

By the way Newcomer. I learned the religion of Islam from Islamic experts and didn’t I just listen well. Now I have Islam by the short and curlies and your imams are even afraid to come and face me. they hide their faces from me but my words still haunt them. They dare not I say those imams dare not make accusations of Blasphemy against me. They already know the religious laws I quote that establish my words as being true and you have seen me invoke Islamic law and the Sura 4:82 and outright prove the Koran does not come from God proving Muhammad is a liar and a fraud. yeah get me on a public forum and watch me eat those who stand against me for breakfast. Close your mind to that reality but dwell not for the facts will haunt you too.

Newcomer you said;
They think they know better. And when one of them eventually disappears another one comes with the same arguments that they have been preparing before they came and have probably been trying out on another board previously, or the same cut and paste articles that we have seen here before,

Starjade says: Well there sure as hell has never been a Phenomenon like Starjade before. When I disappear it is because I am busy writing in other places or some Islamic moderator bans me from giving God given revelations. Either way though I am still here and if I vanish I am spreading the word elsewhere. Naturally as many have not heard the word then they must be repeated. Does that piss you off then.

Starjade says: On every forum I visit I am the main topic of conversation and I attract writers especially religious writers and many of high calibre. Some of the threads I started are well over 24 pages long and range from 1000 views to 5000 views. Even when I wrote for Internet newspapers I was the main reporter. I am most popular and people do follow me around on the Internet. I am an astonishing and startling Phenomena.

Some people have waited some 6000 years approximately for me to arrive. That is worth going into cyberspace for isn’t it. Certainly if you are religiously minded and like to indulge in something that is so unbelievable and yet true. Welcome to Starjades Twilight zone

My specialist religious knowledge raises excitement in people who want a good debate that is hard core and to the bone in search of religious truths. I am known to be very blunt and to the point and often speak of things considered to be taboo and I always back up my mouth and prove all my words to be true and it is most entertaining when some disbeliever comes along with their ten penneth worth that they believed true with that cocky attitude that they can above all others before them prove Starjades words to be wrong. Dreamers eh.

Are you Muslims or sheep grazing in a field of self pity. Right then so Muslims like to speak of religious things. They love flame wars just as I do and I have been on some Islamic forums that would turn your ears blue. Of course there is always that Sound of Silence when Starjade appears and gives everyone some God given revelations that nody on this planet can dispute. At first reaction from the congregations is the jibes then insults and then after being given Revelations that inevitable SOUND OF SILENCE.

Newcomer you say:
Personally if people what to know something I am more that willing to discuss ideas with them and try to find answers for them if I can, but to spend my time answering people who don't want to listen, but just come here to argue thinking that they understand Islam better than we do, no thanks!

Starjade says: Regarding this claim you understand islam better than I do. Sura 4:82 did you bother to mention that to other Muslims or people then. Did you bother to point out how there are many errors existing in the Koran proving that the Koran did not come from God. Or did you just allow the congregations to follow a false Prophet and worship a false God. Did you encourage them to commit Blasphemy in their religious ignorance. Is that what you think Islam is about and how you did good for the spirituality of the congregations. .

Well it is clear your knowledge of islam was limited so nothing was learned. Be sure people learn religion from me and I sure give some powerful Revelations. I am not someone who tolerates lies and deceptions so my words always are true. So people do become spiritually enlightened and isn’t that the better way to be. Do you really kid yourself that you could do the same. When you yourself are ignorant to the Challenge of the Sura 4:82 and when faced with that challenge you find yourself who thinks he knows about Islam unable to respond a sound reply.

Clearly as you do not mention Sura 4:82 or realise that Muslims must convert from Islam and reject the Koran and the words of Muhammad then your religious teachings are not worthy to note. By all means speak to people on their individual problems if you think you can help them. But do leave the teaching of religious knowledge to the congregations to the God given religious experts like myself.

Starjade says: Here are some of the things I have done to help people on this planet without them even being aware of that fact. http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm

Of course I also bring Salvation and Redemption Illumination and Revelation and the chance of Survival for those apocalyptic days to come of the future. Plus other stuff but why should I brag when it is my business and none of yours. My own plans are far too long and extensive to explain right here but trust me they are mind boggling. You could never know what I have sacrificed on behalf of the population of this entire Planet. Yet now I consider humans as insignificant as the stench of gnats piss on a summers day. You really were not worthy of the sacrifices I have made.

You just want to be a judge and say well you do nothing so how can you talk. Well we all do things in our own way and sometimes we are powerless that is life isn’t it. So do you do things and is that why you always speak on this topic. Is it you who wants us all to acknowledge the deeds you do so you can stitch on the wings of self righteousness. ?

Snoozing you said:
The killing of the apostates is much worse to the imam than the average Ahmed because he is in a higher position.

Starjade says: No I am here to challenge islam with Islamic law and the Sura 4:82. Regarding of course the authenticity of the fabricated religion of islam. It is in my own view the place for all Muslims to answer an account as required by religious law.

Now that is being considerate isn’t it ? but be sure I do not give a toss about a Muslim mind or a Christians mind or even a Jews mind for I am here to speak in my Fathers name and my Father is the Living God of Abraham and of Moses. So I only consider the Living Gods point of view. OK.

Leila you said:
Do you really want answers to your questions? It seems to me that your minds are made up and closed..

Starjade says: It is not answers I look for as I already know all the answers before I even speak. And my words are strong and Muslims are at a loss to answer. Islamic law and the Sura 4:82 conclusion is their only answer. The rest they speak is just waffles of opinions. I did not have a choice of mind. The Sura 4:82 states it clear. If just one error exists in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God. That fact does prove Muhammad is a liar and a fraud and trust me I can and have proven that without even using the Koran or Islamic law. There are other ways that prove Muhammad was a fraud.

Be sure I have made no error and though I do openly challenge islam the fact is Islam bit the Dust so very long ago. But not all Muslims have heard just how or who challenged islam bringing about its Down fall.

The Living God has said he would raise up only one prophet not two. Both Jesus and Muhammad have both claimed themselves to being that very specific Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. One or both just had to be lying and I will not at this Time speak of Mad Muhammads belief in Jesus or the 11 Chapters of the Koran believing in Jesus which is a whole 11 chapters more of errors that exist in the Koran.

The fact is both jesus and Muhammad are proven to be frauds. Easily as well I might add and by now I am sure many of you realize I am someone who has already backed his mouth up and brought Islam to bite the Dust and none of you would have thought that possible yet when you think and look at that evidence it is proven and by Islamic law so you are not in a position to argue very much on that matter are you. I do know my own power over islam. and Christianity. Your false prophets bit the Dust a long Time ago.

So as Jesus and Muhammad are proven to be frauds then logic says that the real Prophet must still be out there. Just so you all know in 1995 I approached the Jews with apocalyptic details of future earthquakes and land movements and stuff. With a view to an Exodus of Jews world wide out of areas of land I know will be devastated by future earthquakes and land movements deluges and other stuff. If they stay on those lands then they will have no hope of survival.

I used the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 to prove to the Jews I was a genuine Prophet who does have a provable connection to the Living God which is impossible even today for anyone to dispute because that law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 establishes all of my words as being true and that in my proclamations I am not guilty of any crime of iniquity or sin. I also pointed out the many signs in the heavens and my own acts and deeds to authenticate and establish my word as true in accordance with the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15. This evidence I showed does establish by religious law that I am that very specific Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up.

Trust me many thousands of thousands of people have come before you attempting to dispute these facts and many were religious experts in their own religious fields of Knowledge and everyone of them has bitten the Dust. Christianity bit the Dust just as Islam has bitten the Dust. Everyone bites the Dust. I am unchallenged and there are no other contenders to my Throne. So you see as I am that specific prophet and it is clearly obvious I would have to prove the false Prophets Jesus and Mad Muhammad were frauds and do so in front of the eyes of those religious congregations.

The Living God only promised to raise up one Prophet and religious law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 already established that prophet is me to the Jews way back in 1995. It is clear nobody bothered to tell any of you lot about that fact.

The Living God only promised to raise up one prophet and it is proven for a fact that neither Jesus nor Muhammad was that Prophet. In fact they are not prophets from God. Just mankind’s tall tales. Of course those who foolishly daring to dispute my being that prophet have been unable to dispute that claim and they shirked away as they bit the dust.

Starjade is the only King of the apocalyptic Castle from now and beyond the End of Times and you saw with your own eyes my challenge Islam and watched as Islam bit the Dust. Muslims are stuck they know it and I already knew that.

Leila you said:
it doesn't matter what we say because before we have even written a word you believe we are wrong.

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Leila you said:

Now that is being considerate isn’t it ? but be sure I do not give a toss about a Muslim mind or a Christians mind or even a Jews mind for I am here to speak in my Fathers name and my Father is the Living God of Abraham and of Moses. So I only consider the Living Gods point of view. OK.

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Starjade says: Hey I am on a roll no time to shut down when on the flow go with the flow. kernal error eh. Thats nuts

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Snoozing you said:
The killing of the apostates is much worse to the imam than the average Ahmed because he is in a higher position.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Jada, What do you mean, attacking Islam. I haven't heard anyone here doing that.

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It's all over these religion boards, Horemheb. If you read them carefully, you will see many have stepped over the line of politeness and open dialogue and are downright insulting. It's one thing to say, *I don't agree with such and such,* or *I prefer such and such about Christianity or some other religion.* It's entirely another thing to throw insults at the Prophet (pbuh) and call him a child molester for marrying Aiysha when she was nine.

I don't know if you are Christian or not, but to insult the Prophet (pbuh) I believe feels as bad as when artists here, in the name of art, desecrate the image of the Virgin Mary by doing something like spreading feces over her face, or showing Jesus Christ in a sexual manner. It's offensive, period. And generally people who have no legitimate basis for their arguments resort to insults.

People don't have to *like* Islam, but I would think they'd show a modicum of *respect* for Islam on a board that is predominately Muslim. I would expect the same on a Christian board. Dispute to your heart's content passages or beliefs a particular religion holds. Just be polite about it. Otherwise, we learn nothing.

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Originally posted by Jada:
snoozin ur right...Im catholic but learning about islam..I dont think anyone has the right to say negative stuff about muslims
Bye 4 now :-)

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Jada, try not to worry about them. The really *insulting* stuff is being thrown around by people who feel very insecure about something within themselves. You *can* learn a lot here about Islam and interfaith relationships. You have to wade through the weird crap, but the good stuff is definitely there. You will quickly find who's very helpful, like Newcomer, Pendarth, and Humanized. And you will quickly find out who's *not.*

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
snoozin, I see what you mean. Well, i'm a Methodist, we don't get very radical about anything. Let me say this....I would never attack the religion. I might say something critical about some of the people in it but that is different from attacking the religion. Even though I am pretty conservative on most issues I am big on keeping government out of a religion. Religion is something you just can't force on people by law. I would never interfere with a Muslims right to worship but these Islamo-Facists have to go.

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Oh, no horemheb it's not you at all we're talking about here. Not political discussions either. These are to the heart of the religion itself, people telling others that Islam is evil, the Qur'an is evil, that type of thing. Trying to convert them or something. I'm not sure.

I agree with you on separation of church and state. That's a *very* American idea that is *very* ingrained in me.