Parents can name son 'holy war,' says German court
A German court ruled that the name Djehad, which means holy war in Arabic, had "very strong negative connotations" after the attacks of September 11, 2001 but that it was essentially "harmless."
A German court has upheld the right of a German-Egyptian man to call his young son Djehad, a name that means holy war in Arabic, a court official told AFP on Wednesday.
The court in Berlin said the name, often transcribed as Jihad and a common name in the Muslim world, had "very strong negative connotations" after the attacks of September 11, 2001 but that it was essentially "harmless."
"With the choice of the first name 'Djehad' for their son, the parents have not endangered the well-being of the child," the court ruled.
It added: "The fact that radical Islamists have recently used the word in the sense of an armed struggle against non-believers using terrorist means changes nothing."
The father of the boy, Reda Seyam, brought the case before the court after officials had refused to allow him to enter the name in the registry of births.
The 49-year-old Seyam was charged by Munich prosecutors last week with incitement to racial hatred and membership of a banned organisation, prosecutor's office spokeswoman Barbara Stockinger told AFP.
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Seyam Reda is a German Islamist Egyptian descent who is suspected of belonging to the persons behind the bomb attack in Bali.
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Life [edit] Seyam was suspected, one of the groups behind the bomb attack in Kuta on Bali on 12 Have been in October 2002 that resulted in the deaths on a pleasure mile 202 people lost their lives. [1] In this context, he was interviewed in Indonesia by the CIA. The BKA convicted him pointed out to Germany to prevent the introduction into a secret prison to [2]. Seyam was among the visitors to the Neu-Ulm, multi-cultural center, on 28 December 2005 by the Bavarian state government has been concluded [3] [4] Seyam now lives in Berlin [5] and has German citizenship. Seyam wanted to enforce a court to give his son the first name of jihad. The first was accepted, but then put the Berlin Interior Senator Ehrhart Korting complaint against it. [6] According to a ruling of 2 September 2009 allowed the son now called jihad. The Supreme Court stressed that this is one of the Arab world, commonly used name [7].
In 1988 he married a woman who later published under the pseudonym Doris Glück, the story of her marriage. She wrote that after several years of marriage was Seyam become increasingly Muslim and had led his first few religious women to Islam. 1994 both had gone to Bosnia, where Seyam had engaged with other Muslims to jihad and persuaded his wife to have to create a chador. Then he had married another woman. Once her husband had brought her to a training camp of the Mujahideen, where she had watched at executions. [8] As a German, he dresses in Taliban move freely in Berlin and lives with his second wife and six children on welfare. His first wife must hide. It was recorded by the BKA in a witness protection program, got a new name, had to leave their homes and abandon their work [9].
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TL this is all alleged, when a person writes a sour and scandelous book about their ex you've got to take whatever she/he writes with a grain of salt.
I know alot of guys named Jihad, Jihad means "struggle" not war in al-Arabic.
There is the "greater struggle" which is an internal struggle to live according to God's will and the "lesser struggle" which is to behave like a nazi.
Certainly on a hate bender aren't you?
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Yeah, "jihad" can mean struggle, but so can the German "Kampf" (as in "Mein .....")
I wonder if the German judge would approve "Kreuzzug" ("crusade")?
Children named “Djehad” may be halal. Teddy bear owners, on the other hand, may find “Djehad” unbearable.
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Of course jihad doesn’t “always have to mean holy war.” Jihad literally means “struggle” or “striving. Questions remain:
1) When waging “Djehad,” precisely what is being struggled against, why, and in what way? 2) What authority does a non-Muslim court hold in defining jihad for Muslims or non-Muslims? 3) What is communicated or implied when a “leading Islamist” who waged jihad violently in Bosnia calls his son, “Djehad?” Such a name could very well refer to “holy war.”
Will this young man be brought up with a peaceful, interior understanding of the concept for which he is named?
Was the father unable to convince the official of a true, peaceful intent behind his son’s name? If he was later more convincing, will he then adhere to a more peaceful understanding of “Djehad,” and repudiate in words and actions any violent connotations “Djehad” carries?
"With the choice of the first name 'Djehad' for their son, the parents have not endangered the well-being of the child," the court ruled."
A valid concern. Where is the analysis of why, how, and from whom the child’s welfare is most prone to endangerment?
"It added: "The fact that radical Islamists have recently used the word in the sense of an armed struggle against non-believers using terrorist means changes nothing."
Could this apply to Radical Islamists, like the “father of Djehad?”
"Egyptian Reda Seyam, is being monitored by German intelligence agencies and is known to have fought as a jihadist in Bosnia."
He’s “being monitored,” good. What business does he have in Deutschland in the first place?
Reda Seyam is a terrorist and he lives on German welfare, the taxpayer's money. Having six children he receives a lot of child benefits, he's got five children with his second wife, an Albanian woman, one child is from his wife's previous marriage.
His first wife got a new identity. When applying for a job she always has to explain irregularities or gaps in her CV. Her ex is obviously a terrorist and the Germans feed him and his spawn. He doesn't raise his kids according to the German constitution. He's got something else in mind. Guess what.
Here's a picture of the repulsive Reda Seyam, with his still-innocent little boy:
quote:Originally posted by unfinished thought.: Yeah, "jihad" can mean struggle, but so can the German "Kampf" (as in "Mein .....")
I wonder if the German judge would approve "Kreuzzug" ("crusade")?
Children named “Djehad” may be halal. Teddy bear owners, on the other hand, may find “Djehad” unbearable.
Jihad isn't a German name, Jihad has been a name for men/boys since before the Crusades and naturally long before 9/11.
Got news for you Teddy bears got the name from Theodore Roosevelt and Pres. Roosevelt wasn't an Arab, but he sure did love being photographed with a gun.
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Untill now the German name "Adolf" is associated with Hitler. So, almost no Adolfs have been born since the secons world war. When somebody should name their son Adolf, the parents can expect questions : Why should anybody name their son after such a man? And indeed it wouldn't be in the child's wellfare. Same counts for many names, a name isn't only a name, it has a meaning, it calls up associations, preferances, even political views.
Germany is a free country, but they also have to protect their citizens. A baby, who hasn't got any idea about names, can be protected by law if parents should do something what could work out negatively to the child.
I see it as a provocation. A provocation against the West. A signal that he doesn't approve the way of living there. I agree that from one side he fills his pockets with all the benefits this society is giving him, and from the other side rejects that same society.
But, what I find more interesting: the man hasn't alwys been this way. What made him change?
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I think it's a shame that the guy, wife and offspring are able to remain in country. Hopefully the German law system will find a way to expel him from our country - I am sure they have more than enough proof of his extremist activities. He's scum among our people, a danger to our nation. He needs to go.
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