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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dalia*: [QB] Hi homing pigeon Yes, I've read the translation, but I'm well aware of the issues regarding expression of gender in the Arabic language and that they can create confusion when translating. But I still think he is exclusively (or mainly) addressing men here. Yes, it's possible that he means "young men and women" where the translator wrote "young men", but then he also speaks about semen and mentions that those who can support a wife should get married, imo that seems to suggest he's referring to men. He also says that Hanbali jurists allow masturbation "if the person doesn't have the means to marry" which again seems to indicate that men are addressed here. [i]The pressing need to relieve himself of sexual tension may drive a young man to masturbation.[/i] [i]The Prophet (peace be on him) said, Young men, those of you who can support a wife should marry, for it keeps you from looking at women (lit., lowers your gaze) and preserves your chastity[/i] [i]For example, a young man has gone abroad to study or work, thereby encountering many temptations which he fears he will be unable to resist ...[/i] Also, if this paragraph was addressing both, men as well as women, why then would he address women separately in another speech / fatwa and give them a different advice as he did in the text I quoted above? [QUOTE]Originally posted by homing pigeon: [qb] I'm not about to defend his sexual attitudes...as I said before.... he may well be hindered by any number of inhibitions imposed in a cultural way. What I defend only is that he would not knowingly misrepresent things and that he tries to be as objective as he can. Sometimes he'll be wrong, naturally but there is more right than wrong in his general opinions. In no way I represent him as infallible... but I would represent him as honest and more reasonable than many. [/qb][/QUOTE]But one thing I don't understand is ... if you admit that he is probably influenced by his culture and upbringing, particularly in his views on sexuality, then why do you think it is recommendable to read his opinion on the status of women? Doesn't this obvious bias decrease his credibility? For me personally, his opinion on FGM alone would be enough to completely disqualify him from talking about womens' rights or status. I could never accept someone who holds such views as a spiritual mentor or a religious advisor. In fact, I can't even bring myself to respect such a person at all. OK, he's not as bad as the Salafi scholars, but is that enough? Aren't there other scholars with a more enlightened view who would be worth listening to or reading? I think there are and I'm sure you know better about those than me. So why chose the writings of someone whose work also contains a lot of objectionable stuff? Honestly, if I was someone with no background knowledge at all and read his texts about women I'd be scared off and get a very negative image of Islam ... [/QB][/QUOTE]
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