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[QUOTE]Originally posted by newcomer: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by primak: [qb] Snoozin, try " newcomer"...she/he seems to be quite learned on the subject.[/qb][/QUOTE]An interesting referral there! Not quite sure how to take it though seeing the source of it!? Although this is a subject I do have some personal views on, I didn't join the discussion earlier as there are some technical details I am not sure about on this issue and so I didn't want to say anything that could be misleading. But the way I understand the issue (that of a physical punishment/stoning for adultery, with a more severe punishment for a married person as they have a legitimate way to have sexual intercourse) is that it is looking at society as a whole and the needs of society, and its not at individuals, and this is what makes it more difficult for someone with a western frame of reference to grasp. It is looking at preserving the cohesion of the society and the structure/preservation of the family, and that is being put as a priority over the needs/desires/weaknesses of the individual. The punishment is there more in a deterrent role to indicate the severity of the crime on the fabric of society. However the conditions for the punishment, being witnessed by four trustworthy witnesses, makes it virtually impossible to carry out as it would mean that the act was being committed in such a public place for it to be described as an obscenity in many eyes. In a way I suppose it can be compared to the level that has been sunk to in Britain that I was reading about, that I think they said was called "dogging", where people actually go out deliberately to have sex in public parks, and places like that, so they can get the additional "thrill" of maybe being observed by casual passers-by!!!! The other aspect is that Islam teaches that, due to its inherent justice, sins will be punished in some form or other, in this world or the next, and so a punishment in this world gives a person reprieve from a punishment in the Hereafter. And this would be a reason that could encourage some people to confess to their sin to avoid what may come after, as was shown in the Hadith when the woman repeatedly came to the Prophet confessing her sin and he kept on telling her to go away until after she had delivered her baby, then until after she had breastfed it for the required two years. But she still came back confessing to her sin and she was given the stipulated punishment. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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