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[QUOTE]Originally posted by bibo1978: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by loveforever: [qb] [QUOTE] [b]Just tell me what fruit did christianity offered to the world, is in it the crusaide and the inquisition, we have a better record than yours we have always developed human nature to the best[/b] [/QUOTE]when we are talking about this standard that Jesus put to examine the false prophet then we have to apply it on the teaching of the prophet and what the religion is teaching the followers to do. When you check the Gospel/Injeel you will not find anything inciting to kill or fighting in wars against anybody but unlike that you will find Jesus teaching to love your enemy and to bless who cursing you and I think you have debated with so many before and you are fully aware about what inside the Gospel and the teaching about the love and the peaceful. Then when you talking about the cross crusade was the fruits of Christianity it means you are cheating yourself first and your Muslims readers second. Because you are aware that who did these wars they were not following the teaching of Jesus and the cross that was putting on their banners was not a sign of war but was a sign of redemption and the sacrifice of Jesus for others,then it's clear that they put the cross for their desires only and to give their wars the religion colour Therefore your example is fully wrong because is not related to Jesus's teaching. And when you talk that you have developed human natures Just give me one example from the Muslims country surrounding us and to check how their citizens are living and how they are treated from their dictator's governments so now would you like to talk about Quran and Mohamed's teaching to check if Muslims is following the teaching of their prophet or not? Note that our homes are from the steel that christians discovered and Manufactured not from the glass that we also discovered ;) [/qb][/QUOTE]I wasn't saying that this is jesus teaching which is not what it is now, I won't go to this conflict yet I will only mention a word "go and read the dead sea scrolls". Yet I will answer you about islam, Islam was the first culture to treat people equal no difference between white, black , rich or poor. Islam was the first culture that let people hold there believe in whatever they want without any kind of disgrace or torture. Islam was the first religion to encourage for knowledge and science, and asks its followers to seek for science and knowledge in Quran and Sunnah. In islam scientest are the second grade after prophets Islam was the first culture to free woman from the un-equal treatment, islam never condemned woman of things that she didn't do we never said that god have put some kind of disgrace in women, "The church in dark ages have looked as islam as over freeing woman, now the west look at us as if we are improsoning woman" .. it is a shame that when moderate is treated with extermist as extreme. Islam is the one religion that have always hold and steady in its judgement no matter what the time was unless for some minor changes, look at the church now and a millinium ago, if the church breaching a millinium ago is seen the they would have been hericates and now you look at the church preachings as [b] fundemalistics[/b]. Our society now is much better than other society with the same dictators and povery status I am not saying we are perfect yet all what we have here of defauxs comes from people whom have lost there morals, just for demonstration I have had an Argintinian friend and one day he told me he is amazed that he can park his car in the road something he would never do in Argintina. I am not condemning Argintina I like the people a lot but I am only showing you what our culture fruit is like regarding the poverty and ignorance we are at. I believe in jesus preaching more than any christian would do, actually all muslims do believe in his preaching. Now the europian culture is not related to christianity, and it is not made of steel just check where you are going, so west is not christianity although christianity is trying to change there religion to show that this is there preachings, on the other hand islam is against hypocritic changes. I never would have wanted to say such words but such arrogance and in-appropriate condemnation have forced me to do this, I am not against your faith but for sure just don't through on us something before looking at yourself, I wasn't the one whom said what is that the fruit of islam is evil .. and for sure I never stated in the above that the fruit of christianity is evil, what I care for the most is morality and if christianity offers morality which it does in most of the cases then I will always support the morals. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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