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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ayisha: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Rahala: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Ayisha: So its ok for Khan, even if his understanding is not right but its not ok for Ali to put His when meaning Allah's Wisdom which is obvious from the Arabic? [/QUOTE]No ,I use copy/paste Khan's translation since i have it as electronic copy . And it is not obvious from the Arabic ,it just says Al-Hikmah and does not say Allah's Hikmah .[/QUOTE]does it say sunnah of prophet Muhammed and hadith? NO. who taught Muhammed the Wisdom? ALLAH, so whose Wisdom is it? ALLAH's [QUOTE]And [b]Wisdom can't be in the Quran ,because Quran is so wise[/b] ,if we say that wisdom in the Koran then there are some parts of the Koran are not wise ,which can not be true .(assuming Al-Hikmah means wisdom !!)[/QUOTE] :confused: Hikmah means wisdom, dont start running in circles saying it means something else, it means WISDOM. Allah is Wise, His Wisdom is in Quran. He taught Muhammed and all prophets His Wisdom, He did not teach them the prophets sunnah or hadith. 039.001 YUSUFALI: The revelation of this Book is from Allah, the Exalted in Power, full of Wisdom. Is Allah full of the prophets sunnah? 043.004 YUSUFALI: And verily, it is in the Mother of the Book, in Our Presence, high (in dignity), full of wisdom. is the Mother of the Book full of the prophets sunnah? 043.084 YUSUFALI: It is He Who is Allah in heaven and Allah on earth; and He is full of Wisdom and Knowledge. Is Allah full of the prophets sunnah? 046.002 YUSUFALI: The Revelation of the Book is from Allah the Exalted in Power, Full of Wisdom. Allah full of the prophets sunnah? 045.002 YUSUFALI: The revelation of the Book is from Allah the Exalted in Power, Full of Wisdom. [QUOTE]And I said before the Arabs and the Arab style forbid repetition of meaning in the same sentence.[/QUOTE]What has that got to do with anything? [QUOTE] [QUOTE] Pilgrimage has been going on since Abraham, so has cleaning oneself before prayer, they are not new, try another [/QUOTE]I said Al-wudu'. Jesus and Moses PBUH did not do any Haj ,this is new in the light that Islam has a new legislation from the most last message.[/QUOTE]Wudu is cleaning/purifying before prayer, its been going on since longgggggg before Muhamme, its not new. Hajj/Pilgrimage 022.026 YUSUFALI: Behold! We gave the site, to [b]Abraham,[/b] of the (Sacred) House, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or stand up, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer). 022.027 YUSUFALI: "And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; 022.028 YUSUFALI: "That they may witness the benefits (provided) for them, and celebrate the name of Allah, through the Days appointed, over the cattle which He has provided for them (for sacrifice): then eat ye thereof and feed the distressed ones in want. 022.029 YUSUFALI: "Then let them complete the rites prescribed for them, perform their vows, and (again) circumambulate the Ancient House." The above was said TO ABRAHAM 002.125 YUSUFALI: Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer). 003.097 YUSUFALI: In it are Signs Manifest; (for example), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures. Hajj/Pilgrimage is not new. [QUOTE] [QUOTE] Torah was revealed to Moses, not the 'Bible', the Gospel was revealed to Jesus. Where does it say these Books are corrupted?[/QUOTE]Look up ^[/QUOTE]look up for a clearer meaning [QUOTE] [QUOTE] I know who its addressing but Al Hikamh is what Allah taught the prophet so it is ALLAH'S WISDOM and not, and cannot be, 'Prophet's Sunnah - legal ways,' as Khan ADDED, so Ali is RIGHT and Khan is WRONG for adding words that were not there in the original text. [/QUOTE]so Ali is right in inserting words not in the text God's words ?![/QUOTE]by YOUR Logic if its ok for Khan to add his interpretion to make the reader think it means something that Allah did not even put there, then it must be ok for Ali to clarify it is the Wisdom of Allah by adding 'his' to the verse. [QUOTE]Typical Ayisha insane logic .[/QUOTE]normal logic which you do not have the capacity to follow. [QUOTE]I do not want to be trapped in the this .[/QUOTE]I dont blame you, you have shown your inabilities, lack of thought and lack of knowledge clearly yet again. :D [QUOTE]the main point is : In the Arabic version ,Allah says that 2 thing are recited in the houses of the prophet 1-Quran 2-Al-hikmah And they can not be the same for the reasons I pointed before . Let's see how are you going to escape from this . [/QUOTE]escape? LOL you are running. The recitation that Muhammed gave of the verses WHICH CONTAIN THE WISDOM OF ALLAH and are FROM ALLAH. In light of the many other verses I have given containing the word HIKMAH this CANNOT mean the sunnah of the prophet and no amount of twisting, adding and re-twisting will make it mean that. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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