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After four bloody years the war in Iraq has morphed into little more than a police action. It has even dropped off the radar in the American political campaign. The American military has again done what it has done for decades and defeated the face of evil in the world.
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ya what ever until bush hole gets out there will still be war!!!we need a democrat to stop the war!
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As long as the Middle East has oil, America will remain in their business... With Britain going along for the ride... It is all so very wrong...
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The democrats will continue the same policy in the middle east. The war is over.
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they said they will pull the troops out of iraq they say the war is over for yrs now so why is today any different if it was over our troops wouldnt be there still!
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They say that but they won't. The democrats said that when they won congress but did not do it either. We'll have troops there for 50 years just as we have in Japan, Germany and Korea. The United States in involved right now in building long term bases that would not be built if there was any plans to leave. Defeating the Islamo Fascists is a long term project. Even though the war is dying down now in terms of deaths and actual combat it will take years to change the culture and westernize the region.
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why would they wanna westernize it!!! they have their way of life alot of them dont wanna live like us!!!
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Western civilization is the dominant cultural trend of the last 500 years. The economy has become global and connected. Extreme Islam sees this process as a threat and thus have attacked western nations in a war of terror. They are thus resisting joing the trend toward westernization and capitalism the world has been going through. Capitalism and conservative Islam cannot exist together in harmony. In other words, they'll have to live like us whether they like it or not. You cannot buck the major flow of history. Fifty years from now the middle east will be just like California or London, and in some cases even Amsterdam.
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So Western culture will be forced on the Middle East? Why is the West so arrognt as to think that their way is the best so everybody should live like this? Of course some of the Western culture is good and some of the Eastern Culture is good but neither is perfect. Both cultures have their own individual problems. Does thi idea of forcing culture on people not sound familliar - 'Nazi Germany'! So history will repeat itself eh? Has mankind learned nothing from past experiences? I feel so sad for the future of the world Posts: 1797 | From: By my husband's side | Registered: Nov 2007
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No, not Nazi Germany at all. Its more like Japan and Germany after WW II. Islam as we know it and capitalism are not compatible. Islam will exist 50 years from now but not as we know it today. The world has been moving towaed one culture slowly but surely since 1500.
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that is where i think that theses people are wrong!! that is not the western civilization!!we should not push nothin on them!! nor try to make them live like us!! whats wrong with independant living? i say let them in the arab country keep their ways and we keep ours!!!
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So will America also give Islam their drug problems, crime, vice all the other crap of the Western world ? That will be a sad day for the East Posts: 1797 | From: By my husband's side | Registered: Nov 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Habeeby: So will America also give Islam their drug problems, crime, vice all the other crap of the Western world ? That will be a sad day for the East
yes habeeby yr right!!! they have their own probles y should we add our influences? ooo god egyptian men are crazy enough they dont need to be drinkers too lol jokin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the arab women walkin down the street in bikins hahahaha them men would go crazy!!!more rapes honor killing no i dont think they would let it be westernized by thier own choice!!!
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Well, you can see the glass as half empty or half full Habeeby. Freedom does have the disadvantages you mentioned. That said, would't you rather be free? China and Japn are well on their way to changing their cultures to fit the modern world.
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I politely disagree with you Mr. Hammer. It is all out chaos - I know a few people who are there sir an d you shoud know it is in a bad situation. Have a nice day. Posts: 70 | Registered: Jan 2008
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quote:Originally posted by Habeeby: So will America also give Islam their drug problems, crime, vice all the other crap of the Western world ? That will be a sad day for the East
The Middle East has always had drug problems and crime. Its recorded in their own history. Nothing to do with religion, because the Middle East's population is not perfect like anyone else.
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If the war is over then someone needs to tell the 750,000 Iraqis in the kingdom and the 2 million in Syria. Maybe they could go back home now and insha allah bring the real estate value back to pre-war levels - considering they bought homes in the levant these past few years - driving prices to insane levels.
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They'll all be back in time Exiled. Tell me, what war have you ever heard of in which 6 guys get killed in a week? If thats a war you are the Pope. The 'war' by definition is over. What is going on there is a mop up job. The ememy, such as they are, may be able to kill a few old ladies and kids with car bombs like the cowardly Hamas guys do but thats about it. We havce a bigger war than this in East LA every weekend.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanHammer: They'll all be back in time Exiled. Tell me, what war have you ever heard of in which 6 guys get killed in a week? If thats a war you are the Pope. The 'war' by definition is over. What is going on there is a mop up job. The ememy, such as they are, may be able to kill a few old ladies and kids with car bombs like the cowardly Hamas guys do but thats about it. We havce a bigger war than this in East LA every weekend.
January 21st, 2008: 2 GIs, 15 Iraqis killed; 18 wounded
January 20th, 2008: 41 Iraqis killed, 43 wounded
January 19th,2008: 29 Iraqis killed, 65 wounded
January 18th,2008: 1 Gi, 171 Iraqis killed, 213 wounded
January 17th,2008: 41 Iraqis killed, 40 wounded
January 16th,2008: 3GIs, 32 Iraqis killed; 72 Iraqis wounded
January 15th,2008: 15 Iraqis killed, 38 wounded
January 14th,2008: 56 Iraqis killed, 11 wounded
January 13th, 2008: 1 GI, 13 Iraqis killed; 26 wounded
January 12th,2008: 1 GI, 30 Iraqis killed; 9 Iraqis wounded
44 Iraqis have been killed on average each day over the past 10 days.
This will result in about 1300 killed for January and thousands more wounded.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanHammer: They'll all be back in time Exiled. Tell me, what war have you ever heard of in which 6 guys get killed in a week? If thats a war you are the Pope. The 'war' by definition is over. What is going on there is a mop up job. The ememy, such as they are, may be able to kill a few old ladies and kids with car bombs like the cowardly Hamas guys do but thats about it. We havce a bigger war than this in East LA every weekend.
January 21st, 2008: 2 GIs, 15 Iraqis killed; 18 wounded
January 20th, 2008: 41 Iraqis killed, 43 wounded
January 19th,2008: 29 Iraqis killed, 65 wounded
January 18th,2008: 1 Gi, 171 Iraqis killed, 213 wounded
January 17th,2008: 41 Iraqis killed, 40 wounded
January 16th,2008: 3GIs, 32 Iraqis killed; 72 Iraqis wounded
January 15th,2008: 15 Iraqis killed, 38 wounded
January 14th,2008: 56 Iraqis killed, 11 wounded
January 13th, 2008: 1 GI, 13 Iraqis killed; 26 wounded
January 12th,2008: 1 GI, 30 Iraqis killed; 9 Iraqis wounded
44 Iraqis have been killed on average each day over the past 10 days.
that really sounds like the war is over to mee!! that makes me sick!! so what now we dont care about the irauis diein but when an american dies there hes a hero? sounds stupid what kind of hero will go to someones country to kill?
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As usual you guys change the subject. The thread was about the war being over....it is. These large civilian death tolls are caused by the pond scum you guys support. What kind of coward sets off a car bomb in a market and kills civilians? Further, they reflect badly on all of you. Many in the west see this and think arab/muslim men are cowards who fight out of worm holes blowing up civilians. The situation in Palestine, and now in Iraq should show you that a modern army cannot be defeated by terror strikes. They can kill a few people here and there but can never win. Iraqi leaders in western Iraq have made strong pacts with Americans and Iraqi government leaders, this war is over.
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You were spot on to determine that death count is a great calculating factor in determining the status of a war. However you are overconfident and personally I would be very joyous to read or hear that the war has ended. But the fact is approximately 19,000 Iraqis were killed in 2007 as a result of the war. So those statistics are reliable and they shed light on the current situation on the ground. After all 2007 ended only 3 weeks ago.
There is one misconception that you have relative to such deaths and I believe you think that most killing are attributed to suicide bombings and bombing in general. The fact is 70% of all killings of Iraqis civilians were the result of executions and gunfire. The remaining 30% are deaths were the result of bombings.
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Keep in mind that the surge began in late spring. Any stats you look at need to be calculated with that in mind. The crucial factor that has ended the war for all effects and purposes is the political agreements in the western part of the country. Your position in opposition is either emotional or sinister. If you oppose the effort going on in Iraq you not only oppose the Americans but also the Iraqi government , the tribal leaders in the west and the Kurds in the north. You do so to the advantage of the terror groups involved and the Iranians. One can draw no other conclusion except that you support the terroists. You need to think this through. If you want a strong, healthy, modern Iraq there is no alternative to the America/iraqi effort there. Keep in mind Exiled, we cannot leave until global terror is defeated. We have no choice but to kill these people until they stop. That , my friend, is just reality.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanHammer: Keep in mind that the surge began in late spring. Any stats you look at need to be calculated with that in mind. The crucial factor that has ended the war for all effects and purposes is the political agreements in the western part of the country. Your position in opposition is either emotional or sinister. If you oppose the effort going on in Iraq you not only oppose the Americans but also the Iraqi government , the tribal leaders in the west and the Kurds in the north. You do so to the advantage of the terror groups involved and the Iranians. One can draw no other conclusion except that you support the terroists. You need to think this through. If you want a strong, healthy, modern Iraq there is no alternative to the America/iraqi effort there. Keep in mind Exiled, we cannot leave until global terror is defeated. We have no choice but to kill these people until they stop. That , my friend, is just reality.
so yr solution is kill kill kill>? not right!!the souilders in iraq will all go to hell!! all they wanna do is kill and rape for their entertainment!!
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The American and Iraqi soldiers in Iraq are fighting evil and will send the terrists to hell everytime they find them.
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ya and the american souilders are the terrorists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 in iraq
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The American soldiers are not blowing up car bombs and sneaking around in worm holes kamal. Look up the definition of terrorism and educate yourself a bit.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanHammer: The American soldiers are not blowing up car bombs and sneaking around in worm holes kamal. Look up the definition of terrorism and educate yourself a bit.
Here is a question for you AmericanHammer:
What would your response be if foreign invading forces, for example Germany came in the manner that the U.S. has done to Iraq? Meaning:
Q. What would you do as an American to the foreign invading force(s)?
1. Would you sit back and do nothing like a dog with its tail between it's legs?
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2. Would you as an American fight and defend against All enemies foreign or domestic?
Now what do you expect the Iraqis who believe that the U.S. Forces and their partners are invaders (not welcomed, not invited, didn't asked to be there) to do to its foreign invaders?
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I love when you make a post Undercover and then remove it..and place it with something else..
Next you will say there were WMDs in Iraq also. LOL
Bush and his intellegance group made former Secetary of State Collin Powell look like a idiot at the United Nations with all of those lies.
With all of what you're suggestion. There were no terrorist attacks against Saddam Hussien and his regime. The so called terriorst attacks came when the infidels placed their feet on the ground in Iraq.
Ask most Iraqis today and they will tell you life was better under Saddam Hussein then under the current administations. You don't have Iraqi refugees in the USA like you have all over the ME. Talk to the Iraqis refugees and they will tell you live was better under Saddam!
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Well Sands, If the attitude you mentioned were the majority view we would find it impossible to stay there. You also know that the domestic situation in Iraq is complex. Life was better under saddam because the terrorists were not wreaking havoc all over the country. If we were willing to use Saddam's methods we could end the terror next week. The point is though that Saddam became unacceptable to the west and to most of the other arab states...who are as you know pro american in the war that just ended.
As for Germany in the U.S. it would depend on the situation. If we were so fragmented that we could not solve our own problems perhaps it would have to happen. On some sort of emotional level I would agree with you.
The problem is that arab/muslims have no political social skills. They have carred out a terror campaign at various levels for 25 years and are no closer to winning now than they were in the 70's. You cannot win with terror stikes. Hamas, for example, can never win the way they are trying to do it. You can kill alot of people but defeat is assured.
Just to be frank its going to have to be done our way in Iraq and Afghanistan. In the end it comes down to raw power. The Iraqis who work with us will progress and have power and prosperity. The ones that do not will suffer. I hate to put it that way but thats the way it is.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanHammer: The American soldiers are not blowing up car bombs and sneaking around in worm holes kamal. Look up the definition of terrorism and educate yourself a bit.
no their killin people and rapin thier children that is worse!!!!
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They are not killing people and raping their children, that is nonsense. I can show you cases where American soldiers violated the law in Iraq and were punished severly. You can not show me a case where they violated the law and were not punished. You are buying into terrorist propaganda.
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dont start it with me cas now yr wrong u need to look up info before u start it!!!!!!!!
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You just proved my point Tina, the man got 90 frickin years...what more could you ask for. The point is when you have 150,000 troops in an area there will be crimes committed....those people are punished. The American people will not put up with that kind of criminality. What about the creeps you support that blow up civilians with car bombs....the only justice they get is when our soldiers find them.
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ya u just watch wat the news tells u im sure more did it and just never got gaught
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i didnt say i was for terrorism geez dont be stupid!! noone is for that here im stating the fact that we dont know what all the american souilders are doin there maybe worse then what we know u do not know!!!! only they didnt get caught!! i dont condone that!!
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Not all criminals get caught but Americans have no tolerance for that. Abuse of women is a muslim thing, we do not put up with it here. Here is the point. If you try the same old thing for years and years and never win would not a smart person try something else? Terror will not win vs the American or Israeli armies. The key is negioation, thats what sane people do. Palestine is a classic example. The Palestinians continue to be stupid people (and they are ignorant) and play right into Israel's hands. The more they fight, the weaker they get and they never learn from their mistakes.
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look i dont discuss no religion but what gives u the right to blame islam?? its not islam its the bad people who do it!!! islam is against it but like everywhere there is good and bad inpeople!! look at the catholie priestes!!! they rape kids>boys and are they terrorists too yes inusa also we have american bombers!!! so what are they muslim cas they bombed a fed building? geezzz people not only muslims are terrorists! they have their belifes so what we we agree or not that is not for us only god can decide who was right or wrong!!!
alot of american men abuse women so u cant use the muslim thing !!! try harder to make a ligit point
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanHammer: Well Sands, If the attitude you mentioned were the majority view we would find it impossible to stay there. You also know that the domestic situation in Iraq is complex. Life was better under saddam because the terrorists were not wreaking havoc all over the country. If we were willing to use Saddam's methods we could end the terror next week. The point is though that Saddam became unacceptable to the west and to most of the other arab states...who are as you know pro american in the war that just ended.
As for Germany in the U.S. it would depend on the situation. If we were so fragmented that we could not solve our own problems perhaps it would have to happen. On some sort of emotional level I would agree with you.
The problem is that arab/muslims have no political social skills. They have carred out a terror campaign at various levels for 25 years and are no closer to winning now than they were in the 70's. You cannot win with terror stikes. Hamas, for example, can never win the way they are trying to do it. You can kill alot of people but defeat is assured.
Just to be frank its going to have to be done our way in Iraq and Afghanistan. In the end it comes down to raw power. The Iraqis who work with us will progress and have power and prosperity. The ones that do not will suffer. I hate to put it that way but thats the way it is.
I read your respon to SITS quesiton and your gave typical political response. You were asked a legitmate quesiton and you skipped all around it.
The question was as I recall and SITS can correct me if I am wrong was basically: If a foreign force invaded the USA what would you as an Amerian do?
Now deal with that question first.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanHammer: Well Sands, If the attitude you mentioned were the majority view we would find it impossible to stay there. You also know that the domestic situation in Iraq is complex. Life was better under saddam because the terrorists were not wreaking havoc all over the country. If we were willing to use Saddam's methods we could end the terror next week. The point is though that Saddam became unacceptable to the west and to most of the other arab states...who are as you know pro american in the war that just ended.
As for Germany in the U.S. it would depend on the situation. If we were so fragmented that we could not solve our own problems perhaps it would have to happen. On some sort of emotional level I would agree with you.
The problem is that arab/muslims have no political social skills. They have carred out a terror campaign at various levels for 25 years and are no closer to winning now than they were in the 70's. You cannot win with terror stikes. Hamas, for example, can never win the way they are trying to do it. You can kill alot of people but defeat is assured.
Just to be frank its going to have to be done our way in Iraq and Afghanistan. In the end it comes down to raw power. The Iraqis who work with us will progress and have power and prosperity. The ones that do not will suffer. I hate to put it that way but thats the way it is.
I read your respon to SITS quesiton and your gave typical political response. You were asked a legitmate quesiton and you skipped all around it.
The question was as I recall and SITS can correct me if I am wrong was basically: If a foreign force invaded the USA what would you as an Amerian do?
Now deal with that question first.
Why answer to a question which doesn't need a response in the first place?
You people come up with all kind of stupid ideas...
quote:Originally posted by tina kamal: ya and the american souilders are the terrorists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 in iraq
Brainwashed in Iowa? WTH are you on recently? Are you sure you are an American? No one forces you to support your troops - their mission is debatable - but heck woman you just talk rubbish now!!
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Like it or not, First, lets say America had a brutal dictator with tens of thousands in mass graves and a long documented history of abuses. If the Germans or anyone else could come in and remove that, liberate my country and give me the right to vote, yes, I would support that. Any sane , thinking person in Iraq should support the American army 110%. It is the only thing that stands between them and disaster. Further, the United States is not going to turn Iraq over to UBL or the Iranains. You people need to put emotion aside and be realistic.
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Thats the point, thats not a war. What we have is a group of terrorists killing civilians.
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It is not the Americans who are dying and paying the price. It is the Iraqis who are being slaughtered. The American presence is the reason Iraqis are dying. Jesus Christ does what does one have to put a sticky note on your forehead?
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quote:Originally posted by Somewhere in the sands: The American presence is the reason Iraqis are dying.
Okay but now they are there. What do you think how would the figures go up on the Iraqi's side if the US troops would pull out straight away??
You can't turn back time and erase the past but you can try to minimize the loss now and bring stability back to the region - and move out soon ISA.
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So using your twisted logic Sands we would say that terrorists are killing innocent civilians because of Americans thus we need to leave and let them have the entire country? Thats pretty sick stuff. What you do is defeat evil when you find it. John McCain (likely our next president) said it best, "In Iraq our values and our interests have come together."
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quote:Originally posted by Somewhere in the sands: The American presence is the reason Iraqis are dying.
Okay but now they are there. What do you think how would the figures go up on the Iraqi's side if the US troops would pull out straight away??
You can't turn back time and erase the past but you can try to minimize the loss now and bring stability back to the region - and move out soon ISA.
No-one is asking to turn back time. Just get the hellout. The Americans have done enough damage in terms of loss of life, collateral damage to people lives, livelihoods and welfare that will effect future generations for years to come.
They can still negotiate for oil and gas..just get the hell out of the country enough damage has been done.
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quote:Originally posted by Somewhere in the sands:
quote:Originally posted by Tigerlily:
quote:Originally posted by Somewhere in the sands: The American presence is the reason Iraqis are dying.
Okay but now they are there. What do you think how would the figures go up on the Iraqi's side if the US troops would pull out straight away??
You can't turn back time and erase the past but you can try to minimize the loss now and bring stability back to the region - and move out soon ISA.
No-one is asking to turn back time. Just get the hellout. The Americans have done enough damage in terms of loss of life, collateral damage to people lives, livelihoods and welfare that will effect future generations for years to come.
They can still negotiate for oil and gas..just get the hell out of the country enough damage has been done.
yes it's sad to se muslim killing muslim all the time ,just beacourse there are so many sect in Islam ,Allah should had made a more clear message ,so this savages could understand better ! Oh well we can only sit back and watch Posts: 366 | From: some day | Registered: Dec 2007
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