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With over 1000 Palestinians and 13 Israelis killed and the death toll mounting daily as the Gaza offensive escalates, we're urgently demanding action to end the violence and protect civilians.
Sign the petition below calling for robust international action to achieve an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and take further crucial steps toward a fair and lasting peace in the Middle East -- we've made progress at the Security Council but the Gaza violence is still escalating -- our message and numbers signing will be published in US ads (opposite) and delivered to key powers in the coming days:
Petition to the UN Security Council, the European Union, the Arab League and the USA: We urge you to act immediately to ensure a comprehensive ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, to protect civilians on all sides, and to address the growing humanitarian crisis. Only through robust international action and oversight can the bloodshed be stopped, the Gaza crossings safely re-opened and real progress made toward a wider peace in 2009.
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Gold, This time the war needs to play out. To stop it now would only cause more bloodshed in the future. there needs to be a winner in this conlict to the extent that the other side cannot continue. war is brutal but sometimes it solves the problem and is more humane than just going on and on with disruption. No Ceasefire......until Hamas is destroyed.
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I believe that this time, there will be no winner. The perpetrators of this will be hunted down worldwide and if no world court has the guts to punish them, they will pay for their crimes. Insh'allah.
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I read Turkey is now turned its back on ISrael. WAs Turkey not the only Muslim ally Israel had?
Nobody is with Israel now. nobody will help a fascist regime anymore. They have jews in Turkey, primarily in Istanbul, and I think many would agree, these Israeli jews are an embrassment of jewish religion, they give every jew a bad name. these fascist jews should be punished for what they are doing to humanity.
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Actually almost everyone is with Israel. Egypt , Jordan and the moderate arab states have no love for Hamas. The EU refused to even establish relations with Hamas.
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^ No one but communist sympathizers are rooting for the Nazi/Zionists, you pinko Benedict Arnold. America will not be a Communist nation in spite of your blind support for the Marxists.
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Those zionist scum will be hunted down and exterminated just like the nazi war criminals were. I suspect that Jewish communities worldwide will pay a heavy and mostly undeserved price for this. Sanctions are coming soon thank God. I thank God I was not born Jewish, I would be SO ashamed today.
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quote:Originally posted by of_gold: With over 1000 Palestinians and 13 Israelis killed and the death toll mounting daily as the Gaza offensive escalates, we're urgently demanding action to end the violence and protect civilians.
States are amoral entities. The state of Israel, Hamas, the US, even pitiful Egypt, have no obligation but to do what is in their interests. And although they espouse rhetoric of protecting their citizens, these same governments will violently crush their own citizens if they stepped out of line. And complex as these interests are, they often boil down to financial and natural resource interests pushed by the elites in the respective countries.
May God have mercy on the souls of the dead. As for the living, the choice is clear: live free or die trying. And that's hardly limited to Palestine.
quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: Mo Ning, I think the IDF is hunting them down right now in the streets of Gaza.
Well, they've kinda been "hunting them down" for about 60 years so they're either severely incompetent or playing you (the proverbial) for a sucker.
This cat doesn't want to kill the mouse. It needs the mouse to justify its pitiful existence.
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binhaden is 100% correct. International politics is driven only by self interest. The United States took NM, Ariz, California, Utah, Navada and parts of other states away from Mexico because we were stong enough to take it and it was in our NATIONAL INTEREST to do so.
It is not in the INTERST of he state of Israel to create a hostile, armed Palestinian state on it's border and they will not allow that to happen.....ever. You need to develop the ability to at least see the problem from both sides.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: It is not in the INTERST of he state of Israel to create a hostile, armed Palestinian state on it's border and they will not allow that to happen.....
You unread illiterate Jackass, do you know the history of Israeli involvement in the development and promotion of Hamas?
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It does not matter what role Israel had or did not have in the promotion of Hamas. The point is simple, even for a pinhead. Whatever action Israel takes is what they consider to be in 'their' own self interest. It is not in their self interest to have an armed Palestinian state on their borders.....period.
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He is of the breed that exhibits absolutely no responsibility or accountability for their actions. They constantly create monsters (Taliban, Noriega, Hitler, Saddam, Israel), and when the monster turns on them, they respond as if they are shocked and so unintelligent, they could not possibly have foreseen the consequences of their previous actions. They act without any regard for the future negative ramifications of their actions, I.E., Wall Street, Mortgage meltdown, voting in clowns like Reagan and Bush. They are a lost cause and some of the stupidest people on the entire planet.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: It does not matter what role Israel had or did not have in the promotion of Hamas. The point is simple, even for a pinhead. Whatever action Israel takes is what they consider to be in 'their' own self interest. It is not in their self interest to have an armed Palestinian state on their borders.....period.
The jackass doesnt even know how he contradicted himself here.
Is it or is it not in the interest of the Zionists to create hostile armed Palestinian state on it's border? Make up your mind you uneducated white trash.
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Why do you guys even talk about this crap? Talk, Talk, Talk, that’s all Arab’s do! Be honest! There is not one Arab country that cares about the Palestine tribe! The surrounding Arab countries have the military power and resources to end this ass whopping. And what do they do, talk, talk and talk. Ask yourself' why do you think Arab’s choose not to get involved? Because they don’t care! Hell’ the Iraqi’s and Afghanistan people are willing to take on the western nations and you guy’s sit on your ass and do what! Most Arab men are nothing more then a bunch of women at a tea party. Example: “Sign the petition”.
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quote:Originally posted by cairoexpat: Why do you guys even talk about this crap? Talk, Talk, Talk, that’s all Arab’s do! Be honest! There is not one Arab country that cares about the Palestine tribe! The surrounding Arab countries have the military power and resources to end this ass whopping. And what do they do, talk, talk and talk. Ask yourself' why do you think Arab’s choose not to get involved? Because they don’t care! Hell’ the Iraqi’s and Afghanistan people are willing to take on the western nations and you guy’s sit on your ass and do what! Most Arab men are nothing more then a bunch of women at a tea party. Example: “Sign the petition”.
you're like a broken record! every thread I open YOU are spouting the same crap while sitting on YOUR arse doing fook all! Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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So we have something in common. The both of us are like the other 80 million Egyptians doing nothing for our Arab brothers and sisters in need. Your my hero!
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I am not Arab or Egyptian. So we have nothing in common, at least I signed the petition.
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That is the reality. The only people who really complain about the crisis are the left wing America haters who want to use this as a opportunity to trash the United States, especially when a Republican is in the White House. Arab/Muslim nations have long ago deserted the Palestinians. The Palestinians are too weak and have nothing to offer.
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Patriot, you couldn't be any more wrong. I'm a left-winger who loves America and uses every opportunity to trash the United States government no matter who is in the White House.
Have you seen the new movie Defiance? It's the true story of a group of Jews who, in 1941, refused to be occupied and die like sheep under the Nazis. They fought back guerrilla-style choosing to die rather than live on their knees. Though not unique, the heroism of their resistance is truly inspiring.
And in what seems like an ironic deja vu , Jews are again fighting today (2009) but this time as the oppressors and the occupiers not the freedom fighters.
Being the resident history buff, won't you juxtapose these two events for the gallery? You see, not enough people understand the cyclical and comically ironic nature of "history."
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That roles become reversed over time is nothing new to history. when we wander into moral and ethical considerations in dealing with foreign policy we begin to go off track. The Jews had one set of goals under German dominance, fight back when possible and try to survive if possible. In Palestine up to 1948 Zionists had quite another goal, that of an Independent state. After 1948 the goal changed once again. This time it was to defend the new state and expand it if possible. Thus as the goals have changed the policy has changed as well. Arab/Muslim states in the region all have different goals as well. They are mostly strong American allies how ever much they give lip service to issues that are popular on the street.
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^ why do you always expose your ignorance of the facts. Zionists had always planned to disposes the Arabs in the cause of a "greater Israel". Ian Pappe is a good start. These books are just not on your church group reading list back in white trashville where you live.
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Hammer calls me an American hater because he believes that America is a dictatorship where everyone should believe as he does or they are anti America.
Its sad that you don't understand my country Hammer. One of our rights is the right to dissent. You should read up on it. Posts: 3891 | From: No good deed goes unpunished. | Registered: May 2007
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"he believes that America is a dictatorship where everyone should believe as he does or they are anti America."
"If you're not for us, you're against us'
Uhoh. It IS GWB. The spelling and grammar gave him away. We misunderestimated Hammer.
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Gold, Jimmy Carter, 1977. "It is unacceptable for any power to play a major role in the middle east other than the United states." You are anti American only when you take a position that opposes the best interests of the United States. Keep in mind that your man, Barrak Obama, agrees with me. It is not our job to promote the interests of the Palestinians or any other foreign group. It is our mission to promote the best interests of the United States.
Every administration since Truman, both Democrat and Republican, both liberal and conservative have believed that it is in the best interest of the United States to support Israel. Am I to believe they are ALL wrong and you are right?
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^ Jimmy Carter may well have directed those words at Israel warning them against their constant efforts at wanting to be the major player in the ME.
And your knowledge of your own government is flakey at best. No surprise as you are an unread red neck. Israel LobbyPosts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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You are a nut. I have never heard such nonsense in my life. Don't give us your Nazi propaganda. The fact is that every sane person knows full well that the arabs did not accept the settlement of 1948. You live in a country where the average IQ is literally less than 80 and you bash the United States where black people have the highest standard of living in the world.
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^ of course you never heard of any other history save the Zionist one that has been spoon fed you by your church pastor. A version of history that has already been debunked by Israelis scholars themselves. You simply prove my point: you're an unread red neck. Thanks.
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Ya'll forgive Hammer. He's the most uneducated person on the Forum and after years of being on the site, has yet to show any slight intelligence in any given area, particularly, History.
Hammer stands as the poster child against the extreme dangers and resultant brain damage due to generations of inbreeding.
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these two guys are classic examples of why black people bring up the rear of every important educational and economic catagory in the world. Poorest, least educated, lowest IQ etc the list goes on and on.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: these two guys are classic examples of why black people bring up the rear of every important educational and economic catagory in the world. Poorest, least educated, lowest IQ etc the list goes on and on.
Patriot, you were doing just fine taking the high road and ignoring the insults and ad hominem attacks. Now, you've been lured into the gutter and have insulted hundreds of millions of people.
I know the temptation is great but restrain yourself. You're being insulted because you've dominated the debate. Now you sound like everyone else. Posts: 216 | Registered: Dec 2005
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^ Actually, it would be, BILLIONS of people, but not one takes any nonsense from an uneducated lame such as Hammer seriously.
DEAR Abby:
I am sixteen year old lieberated woman who has been on the pill for the last 4 years. It's getting expensive and I think my boyfriend should share half the cost, but I don't know him well enough to discuss money with him.
American Hammer's future Mum
Eight months later:
Dear Abby,
I have a man I never could trust. Why? He cheats so much, I'm not sure this baby boy (American Hammer) I'm carrying is really his.
American Hammer's Future Mum
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quote:Originally posted by binhaden: You're being insulted because you've dominated the debate. Now you sound like everyone else.
No surprise you would say this as you Jewish lefties always end up taking sides with the Christian Zionists when it comes to Israel/Palestinian conflict. Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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^^^^ You know nothing about me, son. Besides insults and pedantic one-liners, what have you brought to the discussion? Get your emotions in check and use your wits. Instead of slander, take on Patriot and demolish his arguments as they're hardly solid. But if you're unable, then you're only bringing a knife to a gunfight.
He repeatedly tells you what you know is true but you cannot accept because it pains you. Arabs are weak and most are allied with the United States. That's why Israel kills Palestinian children with impunity. These are facts. Other than that, most things Patriot spews on here are predictions and weak analysis.
You can moan about injustice, oppression and war crimes on this forum till you're blue in the face but that won't change anything.
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HAMAS doesn't really care about its people as individuals because of its hateful supremacist ideology-"we love death more than you love life" and "Israel will continue to exist, until Islam destroys it, just as Islam has destroyed many nations before it."
"For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry
In which excel the women and all the people of this land:
The older people excel, the jihadists excel
And the children excel
Consequently, [the Palestinians] created a human shield of women, children
Older people and jihadists
Against the Zionist bombing machine
That is telling the Zionist enemy
We want death just as much as you desire life."
There is nothing sacred about children who have been programmed to kill you because you are Jewish. I'm not moved by dead Palestinians anymore. They preach death, they teach death, they breath and breed it, and they desire it. Let them have it until they don't want it anymore.
Saddam was paying $30,000 per shaheed to the family's of those who were targeting pizza shops in Israel. He was on not so secret double probation for gobbling up, ironic, like Hitler, assets of foreign investment. Enough was enough. When Saddam was overthrown, the intifada stopped. Until Iran and Syria and God knows who else picked up the ball.
Imagine the outrage if Israel had been firing rockets into Gaza in an attempt to pick a fight with Hamas, as Hamas has done to Israel. Hamas got away with picking fights with Israel for years and the world remained quiet. Yeah, imagine if the roles were reversed and Israel fired just one rocket into Gaza trying to pick a fight with Hamas - in one DAY and with one rocket the crazies would rear their ugly heads and there would have been rioting in the streets. What a double-standard.
Meanwhile Islamic supremacists continue to wage jihad against the Christians of Iraq, while in the United States besotted partisans continue to burble about that country's wonderful steps toward "democracy."
Here’s a video with clips from Hamas TV, featuring children singing a song of praise for Qassam rockets, followed by a visit with creepy child host Saraa and Assud the giant Jew-eating rabbit in his hospital room, shortly before the whiny carnivorous bunny died from his IDF-inflicted injuries.
that is hamas education and light hearted fun for children. always about death.
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quote:Originally posted by binhaden: ^^^^ You know nothing about me, son. Besides insults and pedantic one-liners, what have you brought to the discussion? Get your emotions in check and use your wits. Instead of slander, take on Patriot and demolish his arguments as they're hardly solid. But if you're unable, then you're only bringing a knife to a gunfight.
He repeatedly tells you what you know is true but you cannot accept because it pains you. Arabs are weak and most are allied with the United States. That's why Israel kills Palestinian children with impunity. These are facts. Other than that, most things Patriot spews on here are predictions and weak analysis.
You can moan about injustice, oppression and war crimes on this forum till you're blue in the face but that won't change anything.
What the hell are you talking about? Are you that dumb you dont even know where I actually disagreed with the red neck? Or are you throwing in the usual lefty Jew red herrings? Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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I couldn't care any less where, when or how you disagree with him. Your replies are riddled with so many slurs, insults and the occasional mysteriously italicized word, it's hard to know what you're saying.
And you call people dumb?
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akoben, you know, I once was an insolent brat like you, then I grew up. There's hope, even for you.
quote:Originally posted by finished: Meanwhile Islamic supremacists continue to wage jihad against the Christians of Iraq, while in the United States besotted partisans continue to burble about that country's wonderful steps toward "democracy."
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LOL, to argue about presenting FACTS to American Hammer is just absurd. Hammer possesses a FACT proof skull. Only FACTOIDS get pass that 4" thick, titanium like noggin. LMAO!! As if any society is established rather then emergent. The flaw in Hammer's, and other Bushites social views are inherent and inanely corrupt. They seek only to maintain status quo by stagnating growth and progress.
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