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so i googled "it's just a gd piece of paper"
and i have to say that the sources are a little questionable...
i'm not defending Bush or saying he didn't say it (he doesn't have to, it's obvious he uses the constitution when it suits him), but when the first source to come up is "prisonplanet.com" and the second is "guerrilla news network"... ummm, yeah, i have to question the integrity of these articles...also, many of them say the same exact thing...it is obvious one person wrote the article and lots of others just copied and pasted it! the same article is posted on many blogs - not exactly a reliable source!
i went through 5 pages of hits and not one of them was from a noteworthy publication...
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Masonic has NEVER set up a criteria for looking at this administration in relation to the others. We keep getting this mindless babble about a health care plan the president opposed.
Masonic, Conservatives, including me, do not support health care plans run by the federal government. President Bush would be "inconsistent" with his principles if he supported such a plan.
Again, if we are to have a rational conversation about where the President ranks in history a criteria has to be set up that can include all 43 presidents.
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The US has a federally run health care plan. In fact, they run several, the largest being The US Veterans Administration Health care system. It used to work very well, in fact the best health care system in the world. That was up until, Reagan and the republicans got their hands on it. It got even worst under Bush's watch. Ironic since the Bush's are promoting war at every turn.
A universal US health care system can easily be extended from the present VA model, but the culture of greed, masquerading as free enterprise blocks forward progress and therefore, both veterans and citizens are compromised.
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quote:Originally posted by The Hammer: Tina, George Bush did not invade Iraq, the United States did.
Walking, I read your polls, I have seen them all before, even voted in some and I can assure you George Bush will not make the bottom ten. You cannot set up a criteria that puts him in that position.
Lets look at the ten best.
1. Franklin Roosevelt- pulled America through the depression and WW II, a no brainer.
2. Ronald Reagan- United the country after Vietnam, won re election with a 49 state landslide. Ended the cold war by making it impossible for the Soviet Union to keep up.
3. Thomas jefferson- literally doubled the size of the United States, was the intellect behind the republic.
4. Harry Truman - Pushed through the Marshall plan to rebuild Europe, gathered the votes in the UN to create Israel and led America into the post war era.
5. Theodore Roosevelt- Kicked off the Progressive era putting in much needed reforms.
6. George Washington- He was first and he did his job getting the nation off to a good start. was able to hold everything together when many had doubts.
7. Dwight Eisenhower- Best crisis management president in American history
8. John F Kennedy- only served three years but showed brilliance. Pioneered tax cutting philosophy later used by Reagan and GW Bush. Hard line anti communist.
9. William McKinley- Laid the groundwork for the emergence of America as a global military power.
10. (tie) Abe Lincoln and James K Polk.
In my view these men are far and above the rest though most of the others are adequate. These men stand out for the reasons given.
We decry violence all the time in this country, but look at our history. We were born in a violent revolution, and we've been in wars ever since. We're not a pacific people.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: The US has a federally run health care plan. In fact, they run several, the largest being The US Veterans Administration Health care system. It used to work very well, in fact the best health care system in the world. That was up until, Reagan and the republicans got their hands on it. It got even worst under Bush's watch. Ironic since the Bush's are promoting war at every turn.
A universal US health care system can easily be extended from the present VA model, but the culture of greed, masquerading as free enterprise blocks forward progress and therefore, both veterans and citizens are compromised.
That's the truth-it makes no sense to not have a universal plan as I have said before not only do we have the veterans plan we have medicare, medicaid, also all inmates both on state and federal levels get free health care. The only reason is greed and the huge health care companies that hold government officials in their pockets to prevent this from happening..
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What you are asking for Rummy is the "Granny State" in which the government takes care of you from cradle to grave. Socialized health care is crappy health care. All it is is a rationing system. There is no free lunch, if you want something of value you have to pay for it.
It will not pass here because it does not have the votes even with a democrat in white house. The republicans together with some sane democarats have the votes to either defeat it outright or filibuster it to death. Socialized medicine amy well be the dumbest idea ever though up by civilized man.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: The US has a federally run health care plan. In fact, they run several, the largest being The US Veterans Administration Health care system. It used to work very well, in fact the best health care system in the world. That was up until, Reagan and the republicans got their hands on it. It got even worst under Bush's watch. Ironic since the Bush's are promoting war at every turn.
A universal US health care system can easily be extended from the present VA model, but the culture of greed, masquerading as free enterprise blocks forward progress and therefore, both veterans and citizens are compromised.
That's the truth-it makes no sense to not have a universal plan as I have said before not only do we have the veterans plan we have medicare, medicaid, also all inmates both on state and federal levels get free health care. The only reason is greed and the huge health care companies that hold government officials in their pockets to prevent this from happening..
You madam, are correct. The congress and senate receive social health care plans, and so does the president. They seem to believe it's a great idea when applied to themselves. Even retired colonels and generals who can certainly afford service in the private health care industry choose to stay within the VA system because it's a much better system then your typical HMO.
The only reason republicans and democrates have fought against these plans is because of the payola they receive from special interest.
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quote:Originally posted by The Hammer: Tina, George Bush did not invade Iraq, the United States did.
Walking, I read your polls, I have seen them all before, even voted in some and I can assure you George Bush will not make the bottom ten. You cannot set up a criteria that puts him in that position.
Lets look at the ten best.
1. Franklin Roosevelt- pulled America through the depression and WW II, a no brainer.
2. Ronald Reagan- United the country after Vietnam, won re election with a 49 state landslide. Ended the cold war by making it impossible for the Soviet Union to keep up.
3. Thomas jefferson- literally doubled the size of the United States, was the intellect behind the republic.
4. Harry Truman - Pushed through the Marshall plan to rebuild Europe, gathered the votes in the UN to create Israel and led America into the post war era.
5. Theodore Roosevelt- Kicked off the Progressive era putting in much needed reforms.
6. George Washington- He was first and he did his job getting the nation off to a good start. was able to hold everything together when many had doubts.
7. Dwight Eisenhower- Best crisis management president in American history
8. John F Kennedy- only served three years but showed brilliance. Pioneered tax cutting philosophy later used by Reagan and GW Bush. Hard line anti communist.
9. William McKinley- Laid the groundwork for the emergence of America as a global military power.
10. (tie) Abe Lincoln and James K Polk.
In my view these men are far and above the rest though most of the others are adequate. These men stand out for the reasons given.
We decry violence all the time in this country, but look at our history. We were born in a violent revolution, and we've been in wars ever since. We're not a pacific people.
Smuckers, the US is a seriously conflicted and contradictionary country, ruled by those who wallow in contradiction. Conservatives say, anything socialistic is bad. Than, they allocate US tax payer dollars to a socialist country like Israel who use these American tax dollars to implement socialized health care and education to it's citizens. http://www.buyusa.gov/israel/en/education.html
We use US tax payer dollars to fund communist Russia to suppliment socialized health care and education for it's citizens. The SBA even uses US tax dollars to bring Russians to the US, pay their airfare, meals, lodging costs, any required contuning education requirements, and salaries for up to 2 years. All on the US taxpayers dime.
We open free trade agrements with Canada, a socialized country with socialized health and education to compete with American's for selling goods and services. We use tax payer dollars to implement corporate welfare payments in the form of tax credits, bail-outs and write offs.
We outsource American jobs to socialist and communist countries such as India and China. If these ideologies are so bad, then why are we nurturing and supporting them with US tax dollars, jobs, special trade status to the detriment of our own?
Ultimately, the end loser is the American people as well as the hypocrits that sell the country to the highest bidder. Time for these Benedict Arnold type traitors to be seriously dealth with. As Hammer effectively demonstrates, they can't learn, so it's time to simply push them aside.
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