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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] [b]Zarahan, Don't know why you ares so quick to believe Eurocentric apologists like Jared Diamond[racist] and BBC hacks like Mark Doyle. Don't know why you want to deny the extreme brutality and kill-toll of the U.S. invasion and war in Vietnam. The toll was 2-3 million as even the U.S. historians admit. Now to Rwanda. First, you haven't addressed the question: if the the Tutsis were just 8% of Rwanda's 6.9 million population in 1994, and using the lowest number of 500,000 killed then explain how the Tutsis were able to win the war and drive the Hutus over to Goma in the Congo?Remember how the West characterised war: a genocide of the Tutsis. Explain too why the Tutsi population in Rwanda is now some 15%+ of the population of some 8.5 million plus.[/b] Lamin, it has nothing do do with "wanting to believe" Eurocentrists. It is a simple matter of being accurate factually. I again ask, what credible sources do you have for the claim that the US killed 3 million Vietnamese? Even official PAVN sources do not list so high a figure. Where are you getting this claim from? What "US Historians" admit this? Give a detailed citation of what and who? I see now you are waffling and are now saying 2-3million Vietnamese killed by the Americans. But again, I ask, what credible "US Historians" support your claim? I bet you can't because your claim is false. You have to be more accurate. The heavy negative US impact on Vietnam is well documented, and I don;t "deny" it. Play it straight man. You don't have to exaggerate - you lose nothing by respecting the facts. [b]Now to Rwanda. First, you haven't addressed the question: if the the Tutsis were just 8% of Rwanda's 6.9 million population in 1994, and using the lowest number of 500,000 killed then explain how the Tutsis were able to win the war and drive the Hutus over to Goma in the Congo?Remember how the West characterised war: a genocide of the Tutsis.[/b] You keep shifting your claims every time you are called out on a falsehood. Above, you claimed the US killed 3million Vietnamese. When called on it, you fail to provide credible proof, but suddenly lower the figure to 2million "to" 3 million. But it still makes no difference, your claim is still false. Now you are shifting your claims again. I already addressed how the 500,000 Tutsi killed could come out of a population of 6.9million, using your own 8% figure. Now you ask how the Tutsis could win. Easy. The Tutsi RPF restarted their offensive, and took control of the country methodically by cutting off government supply routes and encircling Kigali. The RPF took control of Kigali on 4 July and the whole country by 18 July 1994. A coalition government was sworn in under a transitional constitution with Pasteur Bizimungu as President. --Dallaire, Roméo (2005). Shake Hands With The Devil: The Failure of Humanity in Rwanda. GoogleBooks I highly recommend you look up the history of Rwanda before making a lot of sweeping claims, or false claims, like the 3million/2million claim above, that can't be backed up credibly. [b]Explain too why the Tutsi population in Rwanda is now some 15%+ of the population of some 8.5 million plus. [/b] Think Lamin, think! If you had actually taken time to investigate the history instead of making these sweeping false claims, you would know that many Tutsi that had fled, were able to return. Also many Hutu fled Rwanda fearing retaliation as the Tutsi forces emerged victorious. Take some time to actually read and understand the facts. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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