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These cartoons are spreading all over Europe not that the Muslim fundamentalist are whining about them. Looks like the Euros are waking up after a long sleep. The editor of the paper in Denmark noted on the news last night that this is NOT a religious issue but rather a FREE SPEECH issue.
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In Indonesia, 150 demonstrators hurled eggs at the building housing the Danish Embassy, then stormed in, pushing past security guards.
Shouting “God is Great,” they tried to enter elevators to reach the mission on the building’s 25th floor, but had to settle for tearing down a Danish flag and burning it on the pavement outside the building.
With "demonstrations" like these, muslims are just "egging on" the often tactless European papers to continue with the whole charade.
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sorry - the first two sentences are a quote from AP reports... " "
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These Muslims are always their own worst enemy and then wonder why no one supports them. If they would act civilized things could get better but I'll assure you, it won't happen.
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I would say what the president of Iran said about Israel is all about religion and regional politics. This is the same kind of warped thinking that has the Muslims in Europe in trouble over the cartoon issue. Many of us have been waiting for a chance to hit Iran for years. We owe them one, wouldn't you say.
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Do you think the cartoons were wrong? They were satire, no doubt, but there is often a grain of truth in satire. Here is the point Tigerman that many of you seem to be having trouble with....Islam does not get a free pass in the arena of criticism. Muslims talk about Jews like they were dogs and yet squeal when someone talks about them. You cannot have it both ways.
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She is reacting to an overall problem with Muslim fundamentalists. The cartoon issue is just one episode in a larger picture. Europe made a mistake in letting in as many muslims as they have and now they have to deal with the problem. I think its going to get much much worse before its over. La Pen in France is making big gains going around saying, "I told you so." These cultures simply are not compatible at this point in history.
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Well Tigerman, nothing lasts forever and this problem is no different. I do think it will get much worse before it gets better. In the long run the Muslim Islamo-Facists simply lack the power to spread their influence around the globe. What is the old saying, "for every action there is a reaction." You are just now starting to see the reaction in the west. If you live in the west try to be a good citizen of that country. Don't have your women walking around looking like someone out of Saudi Arabia. Let your daughters be like all the other girls and try to make your religion fit the culture you live in.
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Well, You obviously can 'look' anyway you wish...you can walk around all day in a football uniform if you wish. The point is though that if you make an effort to fit into the mainstream culture you will have fewer problems in ANY society. Religion is a personal deal and should not be carried any further than that.
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good point. Sad fact is that alot of those demonstrations are staged! I say that because if those same people march for freedom in their own countries, they will be shot! Why don't those same people march against the 'terrorists' who have hijacked Islam?
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"To the billion Muslims: where are your arms? Your enemies have trampled on the prophet. Rise up."
"Brothers, it's war against Islam ..., grab your swords," says hardline Saudi cleric Sheikh Badr bin Nader al-Mashari in a voice recording posted on an Islamist website.
"Our prophet was insulted again by France. The boycott will accomplish nothing. We need bombs and explosives," said another blogger under the pseudonym Abu Badr.
A blogger using the name Ubda called on Islamic militants in Iraq, Palestine and Chechnya not to spare any Danes and Norwegians they come across.
"Slit their throats in the style of (Abu Musab) al-Zarqawi," he said referring to Iraq's most wanted militant and leader of Al-Qaeda in the war-torn country.
London-based Arab newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabi published Thursday a statement attributed to an Al-Qaeda linked group, the Brigades of Abu Hafs al-Masri, warning Denmark and all those who insult the prophet with a "bloody war".
"The infidels must know that the coming days will see a bloody war and a series of blessed conquests," said the statement.
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Where did Mrs. Doubtfire go? I thought she'd be posting on these threads....
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"Brothers, it's war against Islam ..., grab your swords," says hardline Saudi cleric Sheikh Badr bin Nader al-Mashari.
Caroons constitute war. Time to kill!
"Our prophet was insulted again by France. The boycott will accomplish nothing. We need bombs and explosives."
Well...Well.....I guess the cartoons with bombs and swords are an accurate picture of how these Muslims behave. I guess their two face personality has been shown to the world.
"grab your swords"? "Brothers... grab your swords."
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Muslim protesters shout slogans during a demonstration outside the Danish embassy in London, Friday Feb. 3, 2006. Hundreds of people protested against the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad. (AP)
These people crack me up.
"How dare you portray Muslims as violent! We're going to kill you now!"
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These people are making violent threats against others in the name of religion, and hence are in direct contravention of the religious hate speech laws recently introduced in the UK. Will they be prosecuted for this? I think not.
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You might notice the signs are all penned in the same hand. So, do the people carrying them know what they say? These people are really the dregs of our world community, they should be ashamed of themselves.
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are you christian!!! you sound like you had a really bad personal experience with muslims!
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I dunno about the red neck part, but I think he worships FOX for sure. Posts: 8794 | From: 01-20-09 The End of an Error | Registered: Dec 2004
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Hundreds of Syrian demonstrators stormed the Danish Embassy in Damascus Saturday and set fire to the building.
A leader of the Islamic militant Hamas group, which recently swept Palestinian parliamentary elections, told an Italian newspaper on Saturday that the cartoons were an "unforgivable insult" that should be punished by death.
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There is no excuse for that. Violence is absolutely wrong.
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And when they find some infidels to kill in the streets, will we continue our denial that Islam is not the problem?
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quote:Originally posted by XX: And when they find some infidels to kill in the streets, will we continue our denial that Islam is not the problem?
You can't just issue a blanket condemnation of an entire religion. Address specific behavior you don't like, and that's entirely legitimate.
But if you condemn an entire religion, you are condemning millions of innocent, good, kind-hearted people who do nothing but try to give to this world.
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Burning down an embassy will definitely have a chilling effect that has set a precedent that tells the world: criticize or even discuss Islam without our approval and we will burn you out. Give us what we want or we will burn you down. Remember what we did to the France, specifically the suburbs of Paris. The Iranian madman is threatening the world with his attempt to get a nuclear material. If he succeeds, it is plain as day that he and his ilk will follow pattern: give us what we want or we will blow up the world for Islam must rule the world!!
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I agree this violence against people because of the cartoons is outrageous, and disgusting.
But. This still does not justify condemning an entire religion. If blacks commit most of the crime in the U.S., should the U.S. think about deporting them all? What's the difference?
Hate the behavior, not the person.
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quote:Originally posted by XX: Burning down an embassy will definitely have a chilling effect that has set a precedent that tells the world: criticize or even discuss Islam without our approval and we will burn you out. Give us what we want or we will burn you down. Remember what we did to the France, specifically the suburbs of Paris. The Iranian madman is threatening the world with his attempt to get a nuclear material. If he succeeds, it is plain as day that he and his ilk will follow pattern: give us what we want or we will blow up the world for Islam must rule the world!!
your just being two-faced... this is exactly what west does presently.... but they are sly, and cover it up under the mask of "giving aid and help"....
whereas islam are straight to the point
better islam rules the world then hypocristes..what you say..... maybe the world will modernize even more...
after all it was islam back in the "dark/middle ages" that brought modernazation and civilasation to the globe.... which the european benefited from ... hence.... the western debt to islam Posts: 2457 | From: U | Registered: Jun 2005
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"Burning down an embassy will definitely have a chilling effect that has set a precedent that tells the world: criticize or even discuss Islam without our approval and we will burn you out. Give us what we want or we will burn you down. Remember what we did to the France, specifically the suburbs of Paris. The Iranian madman is threatening the world with his attempt to get a nuclear material. If he succeeds, it is plain as day that he and his ilk will follow pattern: give us what we want or we will blow up the world for Islam must rule the world!!"
believe me, there are a lot of muslims who are as scared as you seem to be from where radical islam is taking not only the region, but the whole world. I for one appreciate the fact that the west is finally confronting radical islam (even though at some point in history radical islam was encouraged by western governments to serve their own interest). but by condemning the entire religion, you alienate EVERY and ALL muslims
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Let's see..there are basphemy laws in "Islamic countries" because Islam is the religion of the majority and represents the masses of Muslims. In Denmark, blasphemy laws are needed to protect "society's minorities." (read Muslims) Islam must rule, whether the majority or minority of a population follows it. For added measure, Muslims are always the victims too; In "Islamic" countries, they are victims of the evil, greedy Westerners/kafirs. In Western countries, they are also the victims of the evil, greedy Westerners/kafirs. The formula is so simple. I wonder when the Western elites will figure it out?
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"Let's see..there are basphemy laws in "Islamic countries" because Islam is the religion of the majority and represents the masses of Muslims."
blasphemy laws exist in muslim countries not because islam is the religion of the majority, rather, it's because their governments are not secular. further, blasphemy laws apply to all three middle eastern religions, Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. in fact, in Kuwait, you can go to jail if you insult in print any prophet, be it Mohammed, Jesus, or Moses.
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'But. This still does not justify condemning an entire religion.'
Who is condemning the entire religion. Muslims in Denmark are free to worship their God, they have their own mosques, and are free to dress as they like.
But to demand from the government of Denmark to ''punish'' the cartoonists for exercising their right to free speech is preposterous. Western civilization is based on the freedom of expression which was hard won. If Muslims are offended by such inane banalities as these mild cartoons then maybe it is time for the Muslims to emigrate to their Islamic paradise of choice. If our freedom is repugnant to Muslims they should not come here in the first place. The world does not owe them its respect, or submission to their faith. Blasphemy is a stricly religious concept, if written into law what if someone blasphemes aginst the FSM? Would it then be "blasphemy" to approve of pedophilia, 'sanctified' lying, "divine calls" for assassination and terrorism in the name of a "God"? How long before Dante's L'inferno is banned?
Muslims must understand that some people may not like Islam. We cannot force everyone to like Islam. Respect is not something you can force on people, respect is something you must earn. Not liking something is acceptable. What is not acceptable is threatening and intimidating people who do not agree with your point of view. And this is clearly what the Muslims are doing. The Muslims have indeed proven the cartoon correct. That cartoon proved nothing about Islam or Muslims, the actions of Muslims proved more than any picture or cartoon could ever portray.
* Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
* A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
* Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
* Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
BUT...Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.
The Muslims are unable or unwilling to take account for the actions of those within their ranks, they passively approve of violence in the name of their religion.
Obviously the reason the cartoons provoked so much ansgt and rage in the Muslim world is because those cartoons were right on the money.
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i think your problem is that you are lumping all muslims together, when in fact there are many many differences amongst muslims. you failed to mention that these radical muslims who committed those outrages (and barbaric in my opinion) crimes have also targeted other muslims and killed scores of them.
but you have a good point. muslims should speak up more and show their outrage when these crimes are committed. but on the other hand, some muslims say they actually do that, but no one is hearing them.
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you wanna be careful about this kind of logic. radical muslims actually use the same argument, that their actions are only a reaction to western actions.
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It is good that Islam is being mocked. Mockery is therapeutic! It is a very powerful way to convince those who are unwilling to think to do it. Shame is a great motivator.
Muslims use Western standards of behavior against Westerners while also holding Westerners to Islamic standards of behavior, while at the same time never accepting Western standards of behavior.
When Saudi Arabia is criticized for the lies and hate taught in its schools against Jews they demand we not hold them to our standards. When a Danish cartoonist mocks Muhammad, we are of course held to their standard. They do not dismiss the mockery of unbelievers- instead; many feel antagonized and make for the street. If they are condemned by Imams, one would need to read closely and often to detect it in the Western press. Even European Muslims felt antagonized and many have participated in the boycott against Danish goods. This is not the loyal dissent of loyal citizens; it's the use of coercion in an attempt to silence those who seek to publicly criticize Islam, as is permitted by freedom of speech. However, the validity of the speech itself is irrelevant- if Islam and its agents are permitted to impose their values upon Western nations, where and when will it end? This gives credence to the interpretation that Islam's goals are unlimited and that Islamic apologists are practicing al-taqqiya; the lying to non-Muslims. Should Jews and Christians boycott the Arab world until false depictions of Jews and Christians cease? Such a proposition is absurd, yet this is the standard the Islamic world and its spokespeople hold to the West. Those Muslim spokespeople who are forever demanding apologies from the West, tacitly support Islamic terror and aggression by failing to condemn and apologize for their co-religionists with similar rhetoric and volume. Muslim outrage against European cartoonists and the way that it is expressed, is nothing less than a denial of Danish sovereignty.
Affiliation to one's nation comes above any other affiliation; the rights of Muslims are protected in Western Republics because all citizens acknowledge the supremacy of the nation-state which in turn gives rights back to its citizens- including the freedom of religion. It's basic Rousseau: we give rights to get back more rights than we surrendered. When Muslim citizens of Western nations deny Western values on religious grounds they are denying the social contract that defends their freedom of religion.
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Another thing is Hizb-ut-Tahrir are in DK to spreading this News, an the Iman who travel to Saudia are working wet them Do you newer read news on Internet ;o)
Hizb-ut-Tahrir are finaly poppulær among muslim
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"In a strongly worded statement, a U.S. State Department spokesman said Friday that, despite respect for the freedom of expression, the publication of cartoons that incite religious or ethnic hatreds is unacceptable.
The Vatican also weighed in Saturday, saying freedom "cannot imply the right to offend" religious faiths, but emphasized "violent actions of protest are deplorable." "
Also Hamas spokesman Mushir al-Masri said, "We will deal with these people with tolerance - the Prophet's message was merciful, and we will not return abuse with an abuse."
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As far as I know there are more than 500 religious groups in Europe- I guess they all have something to contribute with regarding the purification of press. Will you recognize that we ALL are offended by something? And if so, will you allow EVERYBODY to decide what they dont want in the press? If yes, are you sure you like a free press?
Muslims are seldom interested in blasphemy against other religions, are they? Islam never tolerates them unless it's in control at the top, which of course is the essence of dhimmitude. From a Christian perspective, the Quran itself is a blasphemous document since it explicitly denies the incarnation and crucifixion. But I don't see Christians banning and burning the Quran and demanding the revival of the Inquisition or other eccesiastical courts. Western governments and media must not back down on this issue. We must all be free to give and take offence.
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Denmark is a majority Christian country. So if it frames a Blasphemy law, it will protect first,the Christian values,and as such, the real Blasphemies will be (1). saying that Jesus is not the Son Of God',(2). Degrading the Holy Bible as corrupetd,or changed by humans,and (3). Writing anything aginst the Holy Trinity. Every Muslim,who indulge in the above blaphemy offences will be punishable by law. If you bring any book,which speaks contrary to the above blasphemy will be banned,and the publisher or seller fined or jailed.
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Along with the Danish embassy. "Embassies burn in cartoon protest".
Syrians have set fire to the Norwegian and Danish embassies in Damascus to protest at the publication of newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.
Angry protesters attacked the Norwegian mission after storming the Danish site amid chants of "God is great"....
The Danish Government has asked all Danes to leave Syria immediately as a result of the toching of the Danish Embassy in Damaskus.
Isn't it preposterous to attack the Embassy of Denmark and the NATION of Denmark, and demand apology for the actions of one of its newspapers? The only legitimate apology can come from Jyllands Posten, and maybe the cartoon artists. Do they really expect the government of Denmark to apologise Posts: 149 | Registered: Jan 2006
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Can you imagine if after September 11 the people of America and even Europe took to the streets, burning ARAB embassies, carrying signs calling for the SLAUGHTER of MOSLEMS, a holocaust for Islamic people, destruction of all arabs? I didn't see ONE SIGN! And that was the ruthless murder of how many? Now the moslems take to the streets, threatening a holocaust, a 9/11 for Europe, because of a CARTOON? They should be ashamed, but aren't intelligent or educated enough to know what that word means.
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