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Yes people, you read it right, and this proves once again that it is just a hair splitting exercise to distinguish Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism, and the rest European born ideologies The Blueprint of all these ideologies is their belief of racial superiority (Arian) and their right to conquer other people. ------------------
German neo-Nazis: We're pro-Israel, condemn anti-Semitism By Ofer Aderet, Haaretz Correspondent
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/990228.html Nazis against anti-Semitism? As bizarre as that sounds, a group of Germans which calls itself "National Socialists For Israel" launched its Web site in support of Israel.
"Stop the hatred of the Jewish people," the Web site reads. "The Jews are a healthy, strong nation."
The organization - whose members have yet to reveal themselves to the public - claims that Israel's right to exist is anchored in the principles of social Darwinism, the same principles which the Nazis adopted prior to the Second World War.
"Israel earned the right to live among the nations [after emerging] from unending wars," the group writes on the site. "Israel also has a right to exist. This nation also has culture... The nation of Israel is appreciated... It is our duty, as neo-Nazis, to defend this supreme success. Not just for the German people and the European cultural sphere, but also, especially, for Israel."
As such, "Nazis for Israel" also leveled criticism at their colleagues in the neo-Nazi National Democratic Party (NPD), calling them "politicos, cowards, and reactionaries."
"Show us proof of a Jewish plot to dominate the world," they wrote in a rare manifesto which was posted on their Web site.
These unusual statements on the internet compliment the group's other public campaigns, including the dissemination of bumper stickers. One of the stickers features a picture of Reinhard Heydrich, the senior Nazi official who chaired the Wansee Conference where the Final Solution was hatched. Underneath the photo reads: "As a Nazi, I'm a Zionist."
Another sticker shows a photo of Israel Defense Forces soldiers during the Second Lebanon War under the heading: "2,000 years of struggling to survive - respect to those worthy of it."
In terms of the group's attitude towards the Holocaust, the organization says: "We must view what is referred to as 'the Holocaust' within the context of acts of self-defense undertaken by nations under threat." It added, however, "that there is no justification for it." Instead, the Nazis ought to have supported the Zionist cause, the group states.
The group claims it held its first meeting of activists in Berlin last month. It said the meeting touched on issues ranging from "solidarity with Israel, anti-Semitism, capitalism, and Islam." Posts: 2198 | Registered: Jun 2006
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I'm skeptical about these "Jewish Nazis". 1) the Wansee Conference lie is still being propagated 2) they propagate the Holocaust story and say the Nazis ought to have supported the Zionist cause when history shows that they did. Like some "Islamist terrorists" groups there are many fake "hate groups" out there and this maybe one. All in all Zionism and Nazism are mirror white ideologies. The only ones who find it difficult to accept this are the Trotskyite leftys on ES like...well I'm not calling any names, he wants me to keep his secret. lol Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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and the man hemself, Mr. Alan Dershowitz, asks If the Nazis could make it work, why not us? There are some who claim that torture is a nonissue because it never worksit only produces false information. This is simply not true, as evidenced by the many decent members of the French Resistance who, under Nazi torture, disclosed the locations of their closest friends and relatives.Posts: 2198 | Registered: Jun 2006
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Yes people, you read it right, and this proves once again that it is just a hair splitting exercise to distinguish Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism, and the rest European born ideologies The Blueprint of all these ideologies is their belief of racial superiority (Arian) and their right to conquer other people.
Only those who are excessively lazy to read in depth the said entities according to their respective social peculiarities, would "indistinguish them" and "split hairs" about them. Not hard to pick up books and read, people!
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I don't think Arwa is a Somali girl, why are you obsessed with Israel? I never met any Somali who is so interested in Israel, unless you were born in the States, then I can understand...Somalis don't care about Palestine or Israel...did you grow up in America?
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quote:Originally posted by Habari: I don't think Arwa is a Somali girl, why are you obsessed with Israel? I never met any Somali who is so interested in Israel, unless you were born in the States, then I can understand...Somalis don't care about Palestine or Israel...did you grow up in America?
So you know how a Somali thinks and acts? Who said I am obsessed with Israel, Africa I ? I don't like injustice, that is all.
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Yes people, you read it right, and this proves once again that it is just a hair splitting exercise to distinguish Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism, and the rest European born ideologies The Blueprint of all these ideologies is their belief of racial superiority (Arian) and their right to conquer other people.
Only those who are excessively lazy to read in depth the said entities according to their respective social peculiarities, would "indistinguish them" and "split hairs" about them. Not hard to pick up books and read, people!
Only a fool who can't read believes White Man's ideology and tries to be an apologist or even tries to refine their works. How pathetic! and an Uncle Tom! I don't care to split their difference, but mainly interested how they behave toward colored people and their atrocity they did for the last 500 years is sufficient for me to prove that there is no difference.
Maybe you should read what Marx had to say to your people.
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Only a fool who can't read believes White Man's ideology
You've just admitted that you are a lazy idiot who is going by self-induced "illusions", as opposed to doing a simple thing as picking up a book and reading on the things that you whine about "spliting your hair" for; you basically admitted that you can't tell the difference between these very same entities that you just mindlessly lump into one big basket, and yet, now you are projecting onto others that they can't read. What an irony!
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and trays to be an apologist or even tries to refine their works. How pathetic! and an Uncle Tom!
Prove to us that you aren't just talking nonsense to yourself like some clueless homeless wonderer. Define "Uncle Tom", and indicate here what specifically makes one this.
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I don't care to split their difference
Exactly. You are indifferent to facts. That is why you are anti-literate and hate the reading that can educate you for once in your life. You assume being literate is the white thing to do. You are hopeless case. Lol.
quote:Arwa mindlessly natters:
, but mainly interested how they behave toward colored people and their atrocity they did for the last 500 years is sufficient for me to prove that there is no difference.
Lacks any sort of context. Can you at least tell us about how this pointless whining applies to *all* the entities you were whining about across the board in your intro, and how these are indistinguishable? Of course you can't, because by your own admission you don't know the difference between them, and care not to read works that would educate you otherwise!
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Maybe you should read what Marx had to say to your people.
Who are "my people"? And why do I need to read about it, when you haven't bothered to read about it, by your own admission? Man, go pick up a book and educate yourself.
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The thing about you, is that nobody has a clue what you're talking about. It's like listening to some street vagabond murmur to him/herself. Be specific.
quote:Arwa writes:
Learn to read...
I have, which is why I've learnt that you are an uneducated bitch who is anti-literate, as your evasion of my points clearly point out.
quote:Arwa writes:
I was not who came up with the White Man term, Kipling was
Okay. What does that have to do with the points I've requested you to address?
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If you learnt to read and learned how to pick up a book, you wouldn't have made a profoundly stupid comment like this...
quote:Originally posted by Arwa:
...this proves once again that it is just a hair splitting exercise to distinguish Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism, and the rest European born ideologies...
How on earth can any sane person, let alone literate, make such a profoundly psychotic comment like this, about not being able to distinguish between "Marxism, Nazism, Zionism, Socialism"? What is your basis for not being mentally capable of distinguishing these, and hence, splitting your hair about them...other than simply being profoundly unread? Which history teacher taught you this nonsense; he/she was pissing on your head.
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Arwa, it's a waste trying to tell negro commies "educated" by their Jewish commissar teachers that they are all examples of Western socialist collectivist thought. Herzl was a Marxist and Zionism collaborated with Nazism because they are the same: extreme nationalism, collectivism, racism and nationalist mythology, "Like other national movements in Europe, which sought out a splendid Golden Age, through which they invented a heroic past - for example, classical Greece or the Teutonic tribes - to prove they have existed since the beginnings of history, "so, too, the first buds of Jewish nationalism blossomed in the direction of the strong light that has its source in the mythical Kingdom of David." - Shattering a 'national mythology'
Therefore we see today Jewish studies Bell Curve claiming Ashkenazi supremacy and "genetic studies" Hammer et al to "prove" they are Semites.
Economic out look similar. A kibbutz is the same as the German collectivist ideologies which Nazism came out of, and Hitler worked with zionists to build a Jewish community in Palestine. [Black, The Transfer Agreement] And remember the "Father of Israel" Ben-Gurion was a Marxist. Other "great leaders" were Begin and Shamir were fascists, one favoured Mussolini while the other wanted to join the Nazi party. They are all the same.
Only commie propagandists looking to separate their high sounding "workers ideology" from the horrors of what they really produce will try to make distinctions.
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What can dateless internet hitlerdyke virgins tell us in *detail* about why they are mentally paralyzed in distinguishing between "Marxism, Nazism, Facism, Zionism, Socialism"? Can you even at least define these, for starters. Let's hear it.
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Oh Jesus, not this again. I wouldn't expect a commie ideologue to appreciate what Arwa is saying re the similarities of those western ideologies (especially in relation to black peoples experiences) despite their professed differences. History and facts make no impression on people like you. If you can't quote rhetoric from some lefty book, you try to spin micky mouse Jew studies to your liking. That's the sum total of your debating style Ausarianstein. You are like a cult victim, and as I said a waste of time.
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Define Marxism, Nazism, Facism, Socialism and Zionism, and tell us why you so mentally paralyzed in assessing differences.
Don't be such a slave-descended chi chi man: This is the "no hitlerdykie chick caterwauling" zone.
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quote:Define Marxism, Nazism, Facism, Socialism and Zionism,
You carry your lazy ass to every thread do you?
quote:and tell us why you so mentally paralyzed in assessing differences.
The obvious mental case in here is you Ausarianstein as I already demonstrated why we find it hard to distinguish between these white nationalist ideologies. But as I said only ideologues unwilling to separate history from text book definitions will not accept this. So please don't go any further I am tired of beating you down.
quote:Don't be such a slave-descended chi chi man
Now you sound like self-hating Yonis, but from your Marxism and Jew apologia Im going assume you're not black at all.... Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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quote:Define Marxism, Nazism, Facism, Socialism and Zionism,
You carry your lazy ass to every thread do you?
If excessive couch-potato laziness isn't your excuse for not delivering that you're citing, then what shall we conclude is your excuse: profound psychosis?
quote:Babbling duke's pussy:
But as I said only ideologues unwilling to separate history from text book definitions will not accept this.
osama akobenladen,
Apparently, you are intrinsically retarded and illiterate to the point you can't even read the intro topic, which states:
...this proves once again that it is just a hair splitting exercise to distinguish Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism, and the rest European born ideologies The Blueprint of all these ideologies is their belief of racial superiority (Arian) and their right to conquer other people.
So babbling dyke, define what each of the said "ideologies" specifically are, analyze how they are "belief of racial superiority (Aryan)" and "their right to conquer other people", respectively. Babbling is cheap.
quote:Babbling internet virgin freak:
But as I said only ideologues unwilling to separate history from text book definitions will not accept this.
Are philosophies by definition not ideas of a person(s)? Are these ideas not by definition a process of "history"? Are the authors not part of history? Why were they brought up - is that not part of history; under what conditions? When was the ideology put into practice and how; If a person veers from the principles of an ideology, why identify that person by that ideology?
Picking up a book to read, will remedy your utter obtuseness.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
So please don't go any further
In fact, I intend to hold your crackpot ass to the fire:
What is Zionist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Marxist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
Tell us what is indistinguishable about Zionist and Marxist philosophical specificities.
What is Nazism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Fascism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is the difference between Nazism and Facism, and in turn, detail the lack of distinction between those respective two and Marxist and Zionist philosophies respectively.
Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
...for starters!
quote:Babbling hitlerdyke:
Now you sound like self-hating Yonis, but from your Marxism and Jew apologia Im going assume you're not black at all....
Like how we have to assume you're some pot smoking cracker agent somehow with access to a computer in some dark studio basement, by way of your references to "negro" whenever addressing people?
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Wow Ausarianstein, with his Jewish girlfriend Sarah from College helping him on the side, seems ready for yet another beatdown! LOL I love this!
quote: So babbling dyke, define what each of the said "ideologies" specifically are, analyze how they are "belief of racial superiority (Aryan)" and "their right to conquer other people", respectively. Babbling is cheap.
Silly Ausarianstein went straight past my post about separating actual history from text book definitions. You're so unread, you don't even read posters before you reply to them. LOL Also, never said they were Aryan, they are white collectivist ideologies and essentially the same. Re conquering: Marxism, Fascism and Zionism have conquered other peoples, my god are you really going to challenge that?
quote: If a person veers from the principles of an ideology, why identify that person by that ideology?
Typical commie apologia, no wonder you want to explain away Bolshevik crimes. Yes humans can veer from the lofty ideals of their philosophies, especially when real life situations confront them. They modify, (or "backtrack" like Hitler) or abandon it all together for a similar one, like Jewish Trotskyites being neocons of today. But if they have not done the latter then they are to be correctly identified with it. Because if we were to judge people by their practices comrade Hanna then Trotsky and Lenin aren't Marxists/socialists anymore than Stalin was, you stupid Trotskyite! LOL
quote: In fact, I intend to hold your crackpot ass to the fire: What is Zionist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it? What is Marxist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?Tell us what is indistinguishable about Zionist and Marxist philosophical specificities. What is Nazism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?What is Fascism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?What is the difference between Nazism and Facism, and in turn, detail the lack of distinction between those respective two and Marxist and Zionist philosophies respectively.
Again, you are like a child in the mysteries you Greek neophyte. You still insist on forcing a text book definition argument. I'll repeat my position for you (hope you read it this time) despite what text book says, both Marxist and Zionism in practice are collectivist, expansionist and white racist. [Were Marx and Engles white racists? Carlos Moore; The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel Jack Bernstein] Whatever the Marxist Hertzl utopian ideals were, the later plan was to expand from the start. [Ian Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine]
quote: Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
There is no "author" of socialism, dufus, it's a type of organised economic system. As far as it's "true" origins in the west, that's up for grabs, but its practiced in varied degrees by Fascists, Marxists, Zionist, Trotskyites...well you get the picture. LOL
quote:Like how we have to assume you're some pot smoking cracker agent somehow with access to a computer in some dark studio basement, by way of your references to "negro" whenever addressing people?
Another lie, you really are a mole.
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Your present in AE is quit contradictory. You blame the Europeans for stealing Blacks' History/Heritage and dehumanising entire Race [Hoolywood is the King] and at the same time you are denfending the same White Men who are responsible for their crimes. I sense Stockholm syndrome here. No?
You asked me, why I use English language, but I am not using the same language you want to hear, and I don't need to give you difinition you like to hear, because I was not brainwaished by these White Men, like yourself.
Ok, I will give you definition:
- Fascism: Hmm, where to start. How about Eretria/Ethopia/Somalia?
- Marxism: Look at Latin America and the condition of Black people. The majority people in Brazil are Blacks, but Marxism/Socialis (twin sister) has not been kind to them. And the man himself, Marx, his consern was to fight the European bourgeoisie while slaves in America were providing the means to write peaceful and quietly his masterworks.
- Socialism: Do you mean the labour parties in Europe? Hmm. last thing I read the neaspaper, they were against free trade and no country dared to dismantle agricultural subsidies. Hmm I wonder why Oh, btw, they like to bomb Brown people too!
I don't think I need to go further with Nazism and Zionism.
BTW, I know your reading broad is very narrow (I mean, who does not know Kipling!) Did you know that the father of Fascism brain was a Black Man ?
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Just one question. Why are you defending these White Man's ideologies who only could write in peacefully and quitly if not it was the Slaves in America, and most of them owing plantages in America? Why are you giving so much credits for these people, and not the Slaves who freed themselves when they set their foot in America and fought to cain their own independence ? Even proclaiming their own land long before Haiti?
These Slaves did not read Marx and did not need him and what these Slaves show us that Africa had already states function apparat and civilizations. Be proud of your people.
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Maybe Ausarian is Jewish or something. What is with all the defending of Jews on this site? Did you people not know that Jews had a huge part in the slave trade? Why defend a people that would never defend you nor give a damn about you? You feel you are getting a cookie or a ticket to the Jewish white heaven by loving Jews or something lol?
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Silly Ausarianstein went straight past my post about separating actual history from text book definitions.
You mean replying that psychosis, telling you to deliver:
Are philosophies by definition not ideas of a person(s)? Are these ideas not by definition a process of "history"? Are the authors not part of history? Why were they brought up - is that not part of history; under what conditions? When was the ideology put into practice and how; If a person veers from the principles of an ideology, why identify that person by that ideology?
Picking up a book to read, will remedy your utter obtuseness.
...and telling you that you can't read:
"osama akobenladen,
Apparently, you are intrinsically retarded and illiterate to the point you can't even read the intro topic, which states:
...this proves once again that it is just a hair splitting exercise to distinguish Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism, and the rest European born ideologies The Blueprint of all these ideologies is their belief of racial superiority (Arian) and their right to conquer other people.
So babbling dyke, define what each of the said "ideologies" specifically are, analyze how they are "belief of racial superiority (Aryan)" and "their right to conquer other people", respectively. Babbling is cheap."
Take pre-prep school reading, dick-riding chi chi man.
quote:Babbling nazi sect sex slave:
You're so unread, you don't even read posters before you reply to them. LOL Also, never said they were Aryan,
Babbling dick-riding slave, emphasis is on your disconnect with the topic, much less what you're talking about.
quote:Babbling kkk sect blow-jobber:
they are white collectivist ideologies and essentially the same.
Really? In fact, I intend to hold your crackpot ass to the fire:
What is Zionist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Marxist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
Tell us what is indistinguishable about Zionist and Marxist philosophical specificities.
What is Nazism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Fascism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is the difference between Nazism and Facism, and in turn, detail the lack of distinction between those respective two and Marxist and Zionist philosophies respectively.
Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
...for starters!
quote:Babbling coal-burning dyke:
quote: If a person veers from the principles of an ideology, why identify that person by that ideology?
Typical commie apologia, no wonder you want to explain away Bolshevik crimes.
According to your psychosis, a person who breaks the law, is not a criminal but a law abider. Likewise, breaking the law of science, according to your psychosis, means that you're not a crackpot but a fact-seeker.
quote:Babbling hitlerdyke:
Yes humans can veer from the lofty ideals of their philosophies, especially when real life situations confront them.
Pussy weeping, lacking context; come on deliver:
Are philosophies by definition not ideas of a person(s)? Are these ideas not by definition a process of "history"? Are the authors not part of history? Why were they brought up - is that not part of history; under what conditions? When was the ideology put into practice and how; If a person veers from the principles of an ideology, why identify that person by that ideology?
Because if we were to judge people by their practices comrade Hanna then Trotsky and Lenin aren't Marxists/socialists anymore than Stalin was, you stupid Trotskyite! LOL
Lay down the Stalin philosophy and that of Lenin and Trotsky, backed with primary texts, and demonstrate why the latter alienated the former, and why Trotsky was assassinated upon Stalin's order, i.e. if they all were supposed to have adhered to Marx's philosophy without veering.
Lay out in detail, Marx's philosophy with primary evidence, and then compare how that stacks against that practiced by Lenin and Trotsky. Demonstrate how the latter veered from that philosophy.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Again, you are like a child in the mysteries you Greek neophyte.
As a dick-loving klan neophyte,
When do you intend to stop being a cunt, and answer:
What is Zionist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Marxist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
Tell us what is indistinguishable about Zionist and Marxist philosophical specificities.
What is Nazism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Fascism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is the difference between Nazism and Facism, and in turn, detail the lack of distinction between those respective two and Marxist and Zionist philosophies respectively.
Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
...for starters!
quote:Babbling slave-descended dyke:
You still insist
...on answers! Yes.
quote:Babbling slave-descended ape:
I'll repeat my position for you (hope you read it this time) despite what text book says, both Marxist and Zionism in practice are collectivist, expansionist and white racist.
In what detailed way is Marxist and Zionist "white racist" and "expansionist" that makes them virtually indistinguishable philosophies, according to your paralzyed perception? Produce details. Pussying is cheap.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
[Were Marx and Engles white racists? Carlos Moore; The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel Jack Bernstein] Whatever the Marxist Hertzl utopian ideals were, the later plan was to expand from the start. [Ian Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine]
Provide Marx and Engel primary work that demonstrate to you, "racism".
quote: Babbling dick-sucking crackpot:
quote: Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
There is no "author" of socialism, dufus,
butt-piratee bastard, you were the one who accepted the idea that there is no distinction between: Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism
To that extent, tell us how the above have no authors, dick-sucking pimp.
quote:Babbling duke sex slave:
it's a type of organised economic system.
What type, and since it is indistinguishable from "Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism", tell us why?
quote:Babbling dick-sucking chi chi man:
As far as it's "true" origins in the west, that's up for grabs, but its practiced in varied degrees by Fascists, Marxists, Zionist, Trotskyites...well you get the picture. LOL
I don't; demonstrate how the above are *all* socialism.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Another lie, you really are a mole.
dick-riding prison convict wrote:
Arwa, it's a waste trying to tell negro commies "educated" by their Jewish commissar teachers that they are all examples of Western socialist collectivist thought. - osama akobenladen.
Deliver on those answers without failure, dark studio basement cracker agent...
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Having already established that I see them as essentially the same despite the text book definitions of each, we can disregard your pathetic attempt at straw men of citing text book definitions.
quote: Lay down the Stalin philosophy and that of Lenin and Trotsky, backed with primary texts, and demonstrate why the latter alienated the former,
Their philosophy like any other white man: power.
quote:and why Trotsky was assassinated upon Stalin's order
The stupid Jew was in his way.
quote: Lay out in detail, Marx's philosophy with primary evidence, and then compare how that stacks against that practiced by Lenin and Trotsky.
In practice it doesn't, thats the whole point you stupid commie! There was no democratic workers state in Bolshevik Russia under the three. Just an orgy of blood and repression of so-called "class enemies".
quote: When do you intend to stop being a cunt, and answer:
When your frustrations reaches the point where you blow your commie head off. LOL
quote: In what detailed way is Marxist and Zionist "white racist" and "expansionist" that makes them virtually indistinguishable philosophies, according to your paralzyed perception? Produce details. Pussying is cheap.
And profanity is evidence of intellectual bankruptcy. But re racism and expansionism: Stalin's annexation of Eastern Europe, and well, I don't need to tell you want your bigoted people did in Palestine Ausarianstein. BTW Stalin supported the early colonial state of Israel - birds of a feather. LOL
quote: Provide Marx and Engel primary work that demonstrate to you, "racism".
Read Carlos Moore, oh yeah, you don't read. LOL
quote: butt-piratee bastard, you were the one who accepted the idea that there is no distinction between: Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism.To that extent, tell us how the above have no authors, dick-sucking pimp.
Again, you slimy scumbag omitted where I said they are essentially the same in practice and that socialism, not Marxism etc, has no author.
quote: What type, and since it is indistinguishable from "Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism", tell us why?
Collectivist. And again you scumbag, I never said it was "indistngushable" from "Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism", I said they all practiced in varied degrees that system. You're trying desperately to spin but it aint working and it's frustrating the hell out of you! LOL
well you get the picture.
quote: I don't
I fully understand little Ausarianstein, fully understand. LOL
quote:dick-riding prison convict wrote: Arwa, it's a waste trying to tell negro commies "educated" by their Jewish commissar teachers that they are all examples of Western socialist collectivist thought. - osama akobenladen.
Yes, in reference to fools like you you negro commie. That you are unfamiliar with the use of the word "negro" as a pejorative in the black community is further evidence you are really some cracker jew posing as "Africanist".
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Having already established that I see them as essentially the same despite the text book definitions of each, we can disregard your pathetic attempt at straw men of citing text book definitions.
This is got to be the most psychotic simpleton jibberish ever displayed in world history, lacking thought or context. Give it to the Guiness World Record for "unmatched stupidity".
Ever considered applying "thinking" to your answers? Of course never, because you have no thinking system.
quote:Babbling drama queen osama akobenladen:
The stupid Jew was in his way.
...and that stupid Jew was none other than yourself; so the fairy tale goes. Well, of course, why not; anything goes.
quote:Babbling butt-piratee:
In practice it doesn't, thats the whole point you stupid commie! :
Amateurish evasion. slave-descended monkey, drop that dick in your mouth, and deliver:
Lay out in detail, Marx's philosophy with primary evidence, and then compare how that stacks against that practiced by Lenin and Trotsky
quote:Babbling internet-male chasing coal burner:
And profanity is evidence of intellectual bankruptcy. But re racism and expansionism: Stalin's annexation of Eastern Europe
Lol. So "Stalin's annexation of Eastern Europe" is by what you determine Marxist philosophy which you are incapable of definingto be "racist"? knucklehead, how about producing the necessary Marx primary text espousing such as part of his social democracy program.
quote:Wailing duke pussy:
, and well, I don't need to tell you want your bigoted people did in Palestine Ausarianstein.
What I need you to tell me without failure, sexually-confused dickhead, is this:
What is Zionist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Marxist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
Tell us what is indistinguishable about Zionist and Marxist philosophical specificities.
What is Nazism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Fascism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is the difference between Nazism and Facism, and in turn, detail the lack of distinction between those respective two and Marxist and Zionist philosophies respectively.
Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
...for starters!
quote:Babbling nazi-dick sucking turd:
Read Carlos Moore, oh yeah, you don't read. LOL
Ah yes, you've supposedly read your "two-word" referenceyet too mentally paralyzed to deliver:...
Provide Marx and Engel primary work that demonstrate to you, "racism"
What did I tell you about referencing sources you've never read, let alone understand?
quote:Babbling butt-riding swindler:
Again, you slimy scumbag omitted where I said they are essentially the same in practice and that socialism, not Marxism etc, has no author.
Poor dick-riding pimp, try not to miss this target again...
You were the one who accepted the idea that there is no distinction between: Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism.To that extent, tell us how the above have no authors, dick-sucking pimp.
...with a another non-answer.
quote:Babbling dick-riding drama mama osama akobenladen:
Collectivist. And again you scumbag, I never said it was "indistngushable" from "Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism"
Intrinsically illiterate butt-pirating simpleton, that was the intro argument you were defending, remember. But now that your crackpot ass is being held firmly to the fire, you're backtracking? Lol.
quote:Babbling dyke:
I said they all practiced in varied degrees that system. You're trying desperately to spin but it aint working and it's frustrating the hell out of you!
And I said:
What type [of system], and since it is indistinguishable from "Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism" , according to your psychotic perception, tell us why?
...and you come weeping as a substitution for answering. Lol.
quote:Babbling slave-descended troglodyte:
well you get the picture.
Yes, I get the picture, alright: you are uneducated dick-loving crackpot, who spend his entire day posting some 457+ posts just for the sake of empty noise-making not saying anything.
Yes, in reference to fools like you you negro commie.
Got ya! So, you admit that you are some creepy dick-sucking cracker pimp in some lonely dark studio basement. It took you a while, but you finally got there.
What's interesting, is what's not amongst the bitch's "indistinguishable" basket case entity of: "Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism, and the rest European born ideologies"
Meanwhile, the tapdancing dick-sucking troglodyte has all but evaded:
In fact, I intend to hold your crackpot ass to the fire:
What is Zionist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Marxist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
Tell us what is indistinguishable about Zionist and Marxist philosophical specificities.
What is Nazism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Fascism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is the difference between Nazism and Facism, and in turn, detail the lack of distinction between those respective two and Marxist and Zionist philosophies respectively.
Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
Are philosophies by definition not ideas of a person(s)? Are these ideas not by definition a process of "history"? Are the authors not part of history? Why were they brought up - is that not part of history; under what conditions? When was the ideology put into practice and how; If a person veers from the principles of an ideology, why identify that person by that ideology?
butt-piratee bastard, you were the one who accepted the idea that there is no distinction between: Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism
To that extent, tell us how the above have no authors, dick-sucking pimp.
Lay down the Stalin philosophy and that of Lenin and Trotsky, backed with primary texts, and demonstrate why the latter alienated the former, and why Trotsky was assassinated upon Stalin's order, i.e. if they all were supposed to have adhered to Marx's philosophy without veering.
Lay out in detail, Marx's philosophy with primary evidence, and then compare how that stacks against that practiced by Lenin and Trotsky. Demonstrate how the latter veered from that philosophy.
...for starters!
Someone's apparently forgotten to tell this cracker coal-burner that answering for the sake of just mindlessly answering, in absence of relevance, is no answer. What these non-answers however show, is that the resident troll is clueless not only about the topic which he frantically jumped into, but what he himself is saying. The phenomenon is called psychosis. Posts: 7516 | From: Somewhere on Earth | Registered: Jan 2008
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Just one question. Why are you defending these White Man's ideologies
Rather, the question should be: why are *you* mentally incapable of defending your psychotic comment:
hair splitting exercise to distinguish Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism, and the rest European born ideologies. The Blueprint of all these ideologies is their belief of racial superiority (Arian) and their right to conquer other people.
by doing what you're told, which is:
What is Zionist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Marxist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
Tell us what is indistinguishable about Zionist and Marxist philosophical specificities.
What is Nazism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Fascism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is the difference between Nazism and Facism, and in turn, detail the lack of distinction between those respective two and Marxist and Zionist philosophies respectively.
Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
quote:Arwa writes:
who only could write in peacefully and quitly if not it was the Slaves in America, and most of them owing plantages in America?...and not the Slaves who freed themselves when they set their foot in America and fought to cain their own independence ? Even proclaiming their own land long before Haiti?
What does this have to do with:
1)Marxism?
2)Zionism?
3)Nazism?
4)Facism?
And
5)Socialism?
quote:Arwa writes:
Why are you giving so much credits for these people
Why aren't you following your own thread? You made a strange comment, and I'm requesting you to back it up. Why are you too mentally paralyzed to compute that?
quote:Arwa writes:
These Slaves did not read Marx
...and neither have you, which is why you make uneducated and silly comments you have no prayer of backing up.
Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought as "the white man's ideology", that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis. Talk and casual denial is cheap.
quote:Arwa writes:
and did not need him and what these Slaves show us that Africa had already states function apparat and civilizations.
And their being unaware of Marx, like yourself who is otherwise supposedly "free enough" to get yourself educated but squanders that opportunity, affects Marxist philosophy in what way?
quote:Arwa writes:
Be proud of your people.
What makes you think I'm not; perhaps, because you presume that I've read Marx and you didn't? Lay out the details of your reasoning...or lack thereof.
Meanwhile, go ask for a refund; the school system you supposedly attended/attending has obviously miserably failed you.
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Maybe Ausarian is Jewish or something. What is with all the defending of Jews on this site?
By "Jews", I take it that you equate it to "Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism"?
By "defending", I take it that you equate it to asking for substantiation of the following charge:
hair splitting exercise to distinguish Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism, and the rest European born ideologies The Blueprint of all these ideologies is their belief of racial superiority (Arian) and their right to conquer other people.
What are you, a prep-school dropout? What's your excuse for not taking reading and grammar class; Explain.
quote:non-Wolofi trances:
Did you people not know that Jews had a huge part in the slave trade?
Which has what to do with the above...?
quote:non-Wolofi trances:
Why defend a people that would never defend you nor give a damn about you?
...could it be because this whole spooky goobledygook is just a figment of your imagination?
quote:non-Wolofi trances:
You feel you are getting a cookie or a ticket to the Jewish white heaven by loving Jews or something lol?
Better yet, as long as we are dealing with this wasteland wonderland of your trance, we feel we are getting a piece of your mama's ass. Lol.
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quote:Arwa writes with dumb-looking beedy-eyed sun glasses:
Continue the debate
Debate??? I must have missed it: what "material", in response to your obligations, have either you or your "Playtex Gentle Glide/Tampax" wearing minions [aka osama akobenladen & non-wolofi] produced? Posts: 7516 | From: Somewhere on Earth | Registered: Jan 2008
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Your present in AE is quit contradictory. You blame the Europeans for stealing Blacks' History/Heritage
Where?
How is confronting distortions in Egyptology contradictory to confronting your distortions in other fields?
quote:Arwa writes:
and dehumanising entire Race [Hoolywood is the King]
Where?
quote:Arwa writes:
and at the same time you are denfending the same White Men who are responsible for their crimes.
Defending specifically which "White Men who are responsible for crimes"?
quote:Arwa writes:
I sense Stockholm syndrome here. No?
Yes, I do sense one: in your refugee ass stuck in the evil "White Men's" country....you know, those evil White Men you want to have nothing to do with, even if it means dropping all common sense towards approaching science.
quote:Arwa writes:
You asked me, why I use English language, but I am not using the same language you want to hear
Lol. So now you're convinced that you are not communicating...or shall I say in your case, "attempting" to communicate with me in English? Are you ok, Arwa? No seriously, are you?
quote:Arwa writes:
, and I don't need to give you difinition you like to hear, because I was not brainwaished by these White Men, like yourself.
Oh yeah? Cite an example of a post here that exemplifies this 'brainwashing" and how so. I have a hunch though, that you'll need help in getting the definition of the term, in order to do that.
quote:Arwa writes:
Ok, I will give you definition:
- Fascism: Hmm, where to start. How about Eretria/Ethopia/Somalia?
Lol. So, your definition of "Fascism", is to simply name a country(s)? What rock did you crawl from?
quote:Arwa writes:
- Marxism: Look at Latin America and the condition of Black people.
Wow, this is what Marxist philosophy is to you: Looking "at Latin America and the condition of Black people".
quote: Arwa writes:
The majority people in Brazil are Blacks, but Marxism/Socialis (twin sister) has not been kind to them.
Has Brazil adopted Marxist theoretical social order? If so, then name that program in its social specifics, and demonstrate how they fully comply with Marxist theorey. If not, then why would it need to be kind to "them"?
quote:Arwa writes:
And the man himself, Marx, his consern was to fight the European bourgeoisie while slaves in America were providing the means to write peaceful and quietly his masterworks.
And so you figure that Marx should have fought against the slaves, since you're obviously complaining about his attacking the bourgeois system which was responsible for that slavery.
And oh, how were American slaves providing Karl Marx the means to write his "masterpieces"?
quote:Arwa writes:
- Socialism: Do you mean the labour parties in Europe? Hmm.
No, I meant that devil with horns; you know, the one who hides under your bed when the room goes dark. Come on, I asked you for the "definition" of what "socialism" is, and how you think it is indistinguishable from those in your basket case of Marxism, Nazism, Facism and Zionism, which to you, are indistinguishable vis-a-vis one another. Tell me how socialism applies to Marxism, Nazism, Facism and Zionism.
quote:Arwa writes:
last thing I read the neaspaper, they were against free trade and no country dared to dismantle agricultural subsidies. Hmm I wonder why Oh, btw, they like to bomb Brown people too!
You must be convinced that you're actually saying something relevant, as it pertains to this strange bombshell you dropped, when you said:
hair splitting exercise to distinguish Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism, and the rest European born ideologies The Blueprint of all these ideologies is their belief of racial superiority (Arian) and their right to conquer other people.
In your "hair splitting excercise", you must have been convinced that Karl Marx espoused Jewish emigration to a Jewish homeland somewhere in his "blue print" for social change from pre-existing bourgeois social order, called for the mass murdering of Jews, political dissidents & homosexuals, called for bombing civil society for the sake of world industrial-military complex hegemony, called for nationalism in ethnic or religious cloak or even nationalism in a single state, weren't you?
quote:Arwa writes:
I don't think I need to go further with Nazism and Zionism.
Oh yes, you do need to go further...given that you can't distinguish either of these from Marxism or socialism, which in turn, you must be convinced are two disparate entities.
quote:Arwa writes:
BTW, I know your reading broad is very narrow
Yet I'm able to distinguish between Marxism, Nazism, Facism and Zionism, and able to recognize that Marxism isn't mutually exclusive to Socialism, when a "well read" person like you admitted you couldn't? Boy, I am feeling lucky.
quote:Arwa writes:
Now that is what I call Stockholm syndrome!!
Arwa, with your splendid display of "intellectual eloquence" here, is it possible that you even have a clue what Stockholm syndrome is? Just curious.
And oh, if you approach "thinking" with the level of mastery that you apply to petty picture spamming, you'll be one swell girl. Posts: 7516 | From: Somewhere on Earth | Registered: Jan 2008
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quote:So "Stalin's annexation of Eastern Europe" is by what you determine Marxist philosophy which you are incapable of definingto be "racist"?
No simpleton annexation is an example of what Marxists do in practice; re racism in Marx: I already sited Moore. Oh yes, you don't read, I'm sorry. LOL
quote: What I need you to tell me without failure, sexually-confused dickhead, is this:
What you need to do is read my post; already said text book theories in the real world mean s**t.
quote: Ah yes, you've supposedly read your "two-word" reference
No dufus,you should read it, then you would stop embarrassing yourself (again) and see its more than just "two words".
quote: What did I tell you about referencing sources you've never read, let alone understand?
You mean like your referencing the MSNBC documents, Hilberg, Finkelstein, Dawidowicz, Reitlinger.... need I go on? LOL
quote: ou were the one who accepted the idea that there is no distinction between: Marxism, Nazism, Fascism, Zionism, Socialism.
Lie, I said in practice they are essentially the same. Straw man again.
quote: To that extent, tell us how the above have no authors, dick-sucking pimp.
Another lie, it seems you are trying to break your own record Ausarianstein. I said socialism has no author, it's just a socio-economic system, collectivism.
quote:Intrinsically illiterate butt-pirating simpleton, that was the intro argument you were defending, remember. But now that your crackpot ass is being held firmly to the fire, you're backtracking?
My posts are there for all to see. Your problem is you desperately need straw men to demolish because you keep getting your ass kicked! LOL
quote:Yes, I get the picture, alright: you are uneducated dick-loving crackpot, who spend his entire day posting some 457+ posts just for the sake of empty noise-making not saying anything.
I spend my day kicking the s**t out of frauds like you, exposing your unread asses. LOL
quote: Got ya! So, you admit that you are some creepy dick-sucking cracker pimp in some lonely dark studio basement. It took you a while, but you finally got there.
LOL See what I mean? You are so desperate for a win (got ya!) that you shoot yourself in the foot by exposing the ignoramus you are about the use of the word negro in the black community today.
Look, I know you are desperately seeking a win from your recent lashing in the holocaust debate, and it's understandable. But you can't refute my opinions Ausaianstein. They are my beliefs. You seem unable to distinguish between option and fact. I already told you in my opinion they are essentially the same in practice no matter what the text book says. Fact is there was repression and terror in pre-Stalin Bolshevik Russia, fact is there was collusion between Nazism, Marxism and Zionism and all practised in varying degrees socialism. Now the onus is on you to convince me otherwise. You can't so you try to steer the discussion within the text book and the philosophical writings of these whites because that's the only place these lofty ideals stay!
Which is why you're trying to bait Arwa in that direction too, you Trotskyites are so pathetic. LOL
quote: Yet I'm able to distinguish between Marxism, Nazism, Facism and Zionism,
No simpleton annexation is an example of what Marxists do in practice; re racism in Marx
Easy enough then, produce documentation of how Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov and Trotsky did this in practice.
quote:Babbling caribbean buttskank:
: I already sited Moore. Oh yes, you don't read, I'm sorry. LOL
There was nothing to read; just providing names of people whom you've never read, is next to meaningless.
quote:Babbling blowjob drama queen:
What you need to do is read my post; already said text book theories in the real world mean s**t.
Mean shyt to you because you are a shythead, but in history, adhering to philosophical theories made on the basis of actual study of complex social processes both present and protracted, is a historical reality...as that undertaken by leaders of the October Russian Revolution of the working class. Your ignorance of history is criminal.
quote:Babbling slut queen:
No dufus,you should read it, then you would stop embarrassing yourself (again) and see its more than just "two words".
blowjobbing caribbean slave, I make it a policy not to read "two words" passed off as vague references to people you've never read; I read "citations" that are relevant. Have one? Produce it.
quote:Babbling camel humping dick bishop:
You mean like ... Finkelstein,
Precisely. Like attributing your lies to Finkelstein; apparently another source you've never had the luxury to read.
quote:Babbling ape wearing lice-filled dread-locks:
Lie, I said in practice they are essentially the same. Straw man again.
Fine. If you want to stop being Arwa's tampon-wearing minion, all well and good. But bactracking is futile.
quote:Babbling butt mounted pus-dwelling spook:
Another lie, it seems you are trying to break your own record Ausarianstein. I said socialism has no author, it's just a socio-economic system, collectivism.
How are going to say "socialism" has no author, when you can't even define it, you kkk sect turd.
quote:Babbling drama osama:
My posts are there for all to see.
Yes; that you incredibly stupidly dived into a topic of which you have no understanding.
quote:david duke's urine drinker writes:
I spend my day kicking the s**t out of frauds like you, exposing your unread asses. LOL
...without material; you must be thinking that you've woken up from that wasteland you call wonderland. Gal, you're still sleep walking.
quote:Babbling virgin internet moron:
LOL See what I mean? You are so desperate for a win (got ya!)
If I'm desparate to win, one thing is clear: You are making it very easy for me to win. Case in point, your total nervous system shutdown, rendering excessive paralysis in delivering:
What is Zionist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Marxist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
Tell us what is indistinguishable about Zionist and Marxist philosophical specificities.
What is Nazism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Fascism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is the difference between Nazism and Facism, and in turn, detail the lack of distinction between those respective two and Marxist and Zionist philosophies respectively.
Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
Are philosophies by definition not ideas of a person(s)? Are these ideas not by definition a process of "history"? Are the authors not part of history? Why were they brought up - is that not part of history; under what conditions? When was the ideology put into practice and how; If a person veers from the principles of an ideology, why identify that person by that ideology?
Lay down the Stalin philosophy and that of Lenin and Trotsky, backed with primary texts, and demonstrate why the latter alienated the former, and why Trotsky was assassinated upon Stalin's order, i.e. if they all were supposed to have adhered to Marx's philosophy without veering.
Lay out in detail, Marx's philosophy with primary evidence, and then compare how that stacks against that practiced by Lenin and Trotsky. Demonstrate how the latter veered from that philosophy.
Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought as "the white man's ideology", that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis. Talk and casual denial is cheap.
...For starters. Anything less of relevant answers, is uncceptable. Get to it, cock-riding queen. Posts: 7516 | From: Somewhere on Earth | Registered: Jan 2008
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quote:Easy enough then, produce documentation of how Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov and Trotsky did this in practice.
Never said they did it (although they weren't around long enough anyway and what do you think they meant by spreading the revolution? empowering nonwhite peoples?) it was Stalin who really started it. However they, like him, repressed and terrorize the population. Marx didn't advocate that now did he?
quote:There was nothing to read
Exactly my point, you don't read, which is why this is not a debate but another exercise in exposing your ignorant frustrated dumbass. LMAO!!
quote: Mean shyt to you because you are a shythead, but in history, adhering to philosophical theories made on the basis of actual study of complex social processes both present and protracted, is a historical reality...as that undertaken by leaders of the October Russian Revolution of the working class. Your ignorance of history is criminal.
LMAO @ this little commie apologizing for the crimes of Bolshevism and referring to it as a "working class" revolution. Is that where Lenin and Trotsky were from? Yet you have the chutzpah to point fingers at Nazi crimes. Why? Because...
quote: I read "citations" that are relevant. Have one? Produce it.
1) You don't read, 2) your eyes are still swollen shut from the last defeat you suffered so it's understandable that you can't see my sources. LOL
quote:Fine. If you want to stop being Arwa's tampon-wearing minion,
From gay bashing to sexism, I have reduced the once progressive lefty poster to a frustrated sore loser. LOL
quote:all well and good. But bactracking is futile.
In your dreams Jew boy.
quote:How are going to say "socialism" has no author, when you can't even define it,
Again my views re socialism and its origins are there for all to see. Your problem is you can't see beyond what whites tell you the definition is, stupid brain dead negro. LOL
quote: Case in point, your total nervous system shutdown, rendering excessive paralysis in delivering:
Poor you. I already told my opinions based on historical observations. The problem for you, Jew boy, is your childish attempts at baiting me into a philosophical discussion isn't working and its frustrating you. You cannot refute the fact that they all veered from the lofty ideals so, as Arwa rightly observed, dogma fools like you will split hairs when it comes to them. so you squeal it's not facism when we do it!!!!
Fact is there was repression and terror in pre-Stalin Bolshevik Russia, fact is there was collusion between Nazism, Marxism and Zionism and all practiced in varying degrees socialism.
Deal with that Jew boy.
quote:Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought as "the white man's ideology", that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis. Talk and casual denial is cheap.
Damn boy, you really are a commie! Pray tell what you mean by its "schematic scientific basis". LOL
quote:Anything less of relevant answers, is uncceptable.
Go f**kyourself Jew boy and deal with what I actually say.
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quote:butt-punked klingon, caribbean buttskank:, blowjob drama queen, Babbling slut queen:, camel humping dick bishop:, ape wearing lice-filled dread-locks:, butt mounted pus-dwelling spook:, drama osama:, david duke's urine drinker writes, virgin internet moron:, cock-riding queen etc etc etc
This is what I have reduced you to, boy. Looney Tune after exposing you as a frustrated, washed up, unread commie. Am I great or what? LMAO @ the mental case Ausarianstein has become!
No simpleton annexation is an example of what Marxists do in practice - osama akobenladen
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
(although they weren't around long enough anyway
Really. Can you verify this by way of their lifespans and their political career?
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
and what do you think they meant by spreading the revolution?
Easy. Social Democracy [in the interest of the working proletariat] overthrowing oppressive pre-existing bourgeois-run social order. What did you think "revolution" meant here?
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
empowering nonwhite peoples?)
kkk brainwashed turd,
Social Democracy revolution was and is meant to empower all working proletariat; not people based on ethnic, cultural or religious sectarianism...and you proclaim to have a clue about Marxist philosophy? You are one joke after another.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
[/ it was Stalin who really started it...
Stalin started the Social Democracy revolution, according to who/what? You're trippin', queer drama mama.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
However they, like him, repressed and terrorize the population. Marx didn't advocate that now did he?
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken. Queering around is cheap.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
quote:There was nothing to read
Exactly my point
When you produce nothing to read, then you make no point, you brain-deprived turd.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
you don't read, which is why this is not a debate but another exercise in exposing your ignorant frustrated dumbass. LMAO!!
drama osama,
There is no such thing as exposing someone else without material [from your end]. Buy a clue.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
quote: Mean shyt to you because you are a shythead, but in history, adhering to philosophical theories made on the basis of actual study of complex social processes both present and protracted, is a historical reality...as that undertaken by leaders of the October Russian Revolution of the working class. Your ignorance of history is criminal.
LMAO @ this little commie apologizing for the crimes of Bolshevism
cock-humping turd,
There is nothing to apologize for, when you've produced no documentation of crime undertaken by either Marx, Engels, Plekhanov, Ulyanov, or Trotsky.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
and referring to it as a "working class" revolution.
What do you understand by the Russian October Revolution, for starters? Enlighten us, tampon-wearing klingon.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Is that where Lenin and Trotsky were from?
Where do they come from; and how does this bear on the schematic scientific basis of Marx's philosophy? Elaborate, little virgin kkk nut.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Yet you have the chutzpah to point fingers at Nazi crimes. Why? Because...
I'm looking at a nazi criminal right now: "You"!
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
You don't read...
..a "nothing". Absolutely.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
, 2) your eyes are still swollen shut from the last defeat you suffered so it's understandable that you can't see my sources. LOL
I must be feeling lucky, considering that it is you, whom apparently, the said debate left so psychologically paralyzed, to the point that you feel the need to queer-chase me thread after thread [this thread being a good example]...even when I'm not part of a discussion.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
From gay bashing to sexism, I have reduced the once progressive lefty poster to a frustrated sore loser. LOL
So you've decided to stick being a tampon-wearing minion. Fine then.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
In your dreams Jew boy.
Our empirical experiences of the real world, is translated as a "dream" by your psychosis, cracker bitch.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
quote:How are going to say "socialism" has no author, when you can't even define it,
Again my views re socialism and its origins are there for all to see.
Exactly; *nothing* there for all to see.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Your problem is you can't see beyond what whites tell you the definition is, stupid brain dead negro. LOL
Which you can examplify by what said here specifically? Be specific, cracker's confused cock-riding captain.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
quote: Case in point, your total nervous system shutdown, rendering excessive paralysis in delivering:
Poor you. I already told my opinions based on historical observations. The problem for you, Jew boy, is your childish attempts at baiting me into a philosophical discussion isn't working and its frustrating you.
Didn't have to bait you; your stunning stupidity drove you to the dangerous territory of wholesale intellectual-thrasing [against you] in a subject on which you are about as dumb as diamond. Case in point, your pussying away from:
What is Zionist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Marxist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
Tell us what is indistinguishable about Zionist and Marxist philosophical specificities.
What is Nazism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Fascism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is the difference between Nazism and Facism, and in turn, detail the lack of distinction between those respective two and Marxist and Zionist philosophies respectively.
Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
Are philosophies by definition not ideas of a person(s)? Are these ideas not by definition a process of "history"? Are the authors not part of history? Why were they brought up - is that not part of history; under what conditions? When was the ideology put into practice and how; If a person veers from the principles of an ideology, why identify that person by that ideology?
Lay down the Stalin philosophy and that of Lenin and Trotsky, backed with primary texts, and demonstrate why the latter alienated the former, and why Trotsky was assassinated upon Stalin's order, i.e. if they all were supposed to have adhered to Marx's philosophy without veering.
Lay out in detail, Marx's philosophy with primary evidence, and then compare how that stacks against that practiced by Lenin and Trotsky. Demonstrate how the latter veered from that philosophy.
Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought as "the white man's ideology", that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis.
Your bitching cock-sucker attitude towards science is cheap and futile.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
You cannot refute the fact that they all veered from the lofty ideals
kkk-sect cockroach,
In order for something to be refuted, it must be demonstrated to be true to begin with. This is obviously a concept totally foreign to you virgin loony kkk neophyte fringe.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
so, as Arwa rightly observed, dogma fools like you will split hairs when it comes to them. so you squeal it's not facism when we do it!!!!
Arwa has you on a very tight-leash, doesn't she. She ought to pat you on the back and say: "you've done a heck of a job, my tampon-wearing minion".
Only an uneducated balls-deprived minion like you can't see that Arwa looked like a misguided lost child on the issues she spark in her intro note, as soon as I engaged her most recent posts. I almost felt sorry for her, when addressing her obviously uninformed and confused posts.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Fact is there was repression and terror in pre-Stalin Bolshevik Russia
Lacking context, let alone sense. Of course, there was "repression and terror" in "pre-Stalin Russia"; that's precisely what facilitated the October Revolution to begin with; and...?
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
fact is there was collusion between Nazism, Marxism and Zionism and all practiced in varying degrees socialism.
What is indistinguishable about Marxist, Nazist and Zionist philosophies? Oh yeah, you don't know [leaving you to backtrack and say you're driven by your own bankrupt *opinion* as opposed to fact, or some other dumb excuse]. You keep robotically repeating thoughtless garble like some broken record put on play by a virgin kkk nut.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Deal with that Jew boy.
Damn right, nut-blowjobbing cracker captain: I'm dealing with your 'uneducation-ability'.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Damn boy, you really are a commie! Pray tell what you mean by its "schematic scientific basis". LOL
Well buttskank captain,
That's precisely it: The schematic scientific underlining of Marx's philosophy is foreign to you. You can't address that which you're absolutely clueless about, numbhead.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Go f**kyourself Jew boy
I presume by that, a cock-riding captain such as yourself has put together a brochure of fucking 'the-self' through your own empirical experiences. You're in the wrong market though, Caribbean hustling gal.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
and deal with what I actually say.
Which would be like saying: "deal with osama akobenladen's 'nothingness' outpourings". kkk cock-humping kiddo, get to that business you were requested to deliver, will ya. Posts: 7516 | From: Somewhere on Earth | Registered: Jan 2008
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Damn Hilary don't you know when you are defeated?!
quote: Oh yeah, you did, lying tramp:
You're projecting again. I never said Trotsky and Lenin did.
quote: Really. Can you verify this by way of their lifespans and their political career?
My god, you don't even read commie history either! LOL
quote:Easy. Social Democracy [in the interest of the working proletariat] overthrowing oppressive pre-existing bourgeois-run social order. What did you think "revolution" meant here?
And where was this social democracy etc established? In my opinion their philisophies on "revolution" were just some high sounding s**t like US founding fathers.
quote:Stalin started the Social Democracy revolution, according to who/what? You're trippin', queer drama mama.
Like I said, your beat down in the holocaust debate has damaged your eye sight. Never said he stated social democracy. You are the one trippin ROFL!
quote: Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken. Queering around is cheap.
Playing dumb (hmmm...I might want to rethink that) about pre-Stalin Russian history and apologising for it's crimes are even worse.
quote:When you produce nothing to read, then you make no point
Better get those eyes check out, they've been swollen shut too long. LOL
quote: There is nothing to apologize for, when you've produced no documentation of crime undertaken by either Marx, Engels, Plekhanov, Ulyanov, or Trotsky.
Little sleaze Ann trying to insert another lie. When did I say Marx or Engels committed crimes?
quote: What do you understand by the Russian October Revolution, for starters?
Jewish, anti-Csar, funded by international finance. [Margolina 1992, Sutton, 1977, to name a few]
quote: Where do they come from
The Jewish bourgeoisie.
quote: I'm looking at a nazi criminal right now: "You"!
Never denied mass killings of Jews during WW2. You on the other hand can't even admit to killings and repression under your Jew heroes ( Of course, there was "repression and terror" in "pre-Stalin Russia"; that's precisely what facilitated the October Revolution to begin with; and...?). Typical commie. LOL
quote: In order for something to be refuted, it must be demonstrated to be true to begin with.
I see you learnt something from your last beat down. LOL Now I have said Fact is there was repression and terror in pre-Stalin Bolshevik Russia, fact is there was collusion between Nazism, Marxism and Zionism and all practiced in varying degrees socialism.
^You have yet to deal with it, instead predictably you resort to more questions and grunts "Damn right, nut-blowjobbing cracker captain: I'm dealing with your 'uneducation-ability'." LMAO @ little commie apologist!
You cant even explain the high sounding philosophies you defend so ardently "That's precisely it: The schematic scientific underlining of Marx's philosophy is foreign to you. You can't address that which you're absolutely clueless about, numbhead."
So I am waiting on you to graduate from the text book, boy, and show us your social democracy in practice while explaining the so-called scientific basis of Marxism, until then
Damn Hilary don't you know when you are defeated?!
Hey Caribbean cracker coal burner,
Doesn't it make sense to look up the meaning of "defeat" first, before you use it? Just a hint.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
I never said Trotsky and Lenin did.
So dick humping caribbean ape,
Let me get this: you were convinced that Trotsky and Lenin weren't Marxists, when you said:
No simpleton annexation is an example of what Marxists do in practice - osama akobenladen
Explain.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
My god
Didn't know you hitlerdykes had a god; is it hitler?
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
you don't even read commie history either! LOL
What history would that be? Elaborate.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
quote:Easy. Social Democracy [in the interest of the working proletariat] overthrowing oppressive pre-existing bourgeois-run social order. What did you think "revolution" meant here?
And where was this social democracy etc established?
Good question, coming from a stupid godless/idol worshipping hooded kluxie. What do you understand by the Russian October Revolution?
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
In my opinion their philisophies on "revolution" were just some high sounding s**t like US founding fathers.
Caribbean cock-sucking spook,
Your dumb *opinions* weigh nothing. Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought, that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Never said he stated social democracy... the one trippin ROFL!
I know you are; you can't even spell "started" correctly.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Playing dumb
I only wish you were playing dumb, when you avoided:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken. Queering around is cheap.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
(hmmm...I might want to rethink that) about pre-Stalin Russian history and apologising for it's crimes are even worse.
Already then. So, by this jibberish, you're actually saying you have no evidence of this happening:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken. Queering around is cheap.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Better get those eyes check out, they've been swollen shut too long.
Better get a source to post, Jamaican cock-riding hustler.
quote:Babblin osama akobenladen:
Little sleaze Ann trying to insert another lie. When did I say Marx or Engels committed crimes?
In which case the real lie at hand, was your desparate proclamation of some apology from me for crime. You dead-headed dateless hooded kluxies are quite entertaining.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
quote: What do you understand by the Russian October Revolution, for starters?
Jewish, anti-Csar, funded by international finance.
Well, it certainly was anti-Czar. What does this "international finance" constitute?
Of course the "Jewish thing" is simpleton stupidity: Was G. V. Plekhanov Jewish? How about: Mikhail Lifshits, E. V. Ilyenkov, Rosa Luxemburg, Stalin, and the entire Russian working class that made the October Revolution possible.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
The Jewish bourgeoisie.
cracker humping dick bishop,
Alright, what do you understand by "the Jewish bourgeoisie"; what bearing does it have on the scientific underpinnings of Marx's philosophy?
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
You on the other hand can't even admit to killings and repression under your Jew heroes ( Of course, there was "repression and terror" in "pre-Stalin Russia"; that's precisely what facilitated the October Revolution to begin with; and...?). Typical commie. LOL
Holocaust-denying cunt-punked hooded kluxie,
There is nothing to admit or otherwise, when you produce no evidence of:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken. Queering around is cheap.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
LOL Now I have said Fact is there was repression and terror in pre-Stalin Bolshevik Russia,
Rein in the brakes on your dick-humping, Jamaican hustler:
Was "repression and terror" by either Plekhanov, Ulyanov or Trotsky? If so, then: see above for obligation.
quote: Babbling osama akobenladen:
fact is there was collusion between Nazism, Marxism and Zionism and all practiced in varying degrees socialism.
Tell us why you are too mentally paralyzed in distinguishing between Marxist, Nazist and Zionist philosophies, and why you are convinced delusion is fact.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
^You have yet to deal with it
I am dealing with you, and you should deal with this:
What is Zionist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Marxist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
Tell us what is indistinguishable about Zionist and Marxist philosophical specificities.
What is Nazism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Fascism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is the difference between Nazism and Facism, and in turn, detail the lack of distinction between those respective two and Marxist and Zionist philosophies respectively.
Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
Are philosophies by definition not ideas of a person(s)? Are these ideas not by definition a process of "history"? Are the authors not part of history? Why were they brought up - is that not part of history; under what conditions? When was the ideology put into practice and how; If a person veers from the principles of an ideology, why identify that person by that ideology?
Lay down the Stalin philosophy and that of Lenin and Trotsky, backed with primary texts, and demonstrate why the latter alienated the former, and why Trotsky was assassinated upon Stalin's order, i.e. if they all were supposed to have adhered to Marx's philosophy without veering.
Lay out in detail, Marx's philosophy with primary evidence, and then compare how that stacks against that practiced by Lenin and Trotsky. Demonstrate how the latter veered from that philosophy.
Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought as "the white man's ideology", that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis.
Your bitching cock-sucker attitude towards science is cheap and futile.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
You cant even explain the high sounding philosophies you defend so ardently "That's precisely it: The schematic scientific underlining of Marx's philosophy is foreign to you. You can't address that which you're absolutely clueless about, numbhead."
Speechlessness has reduced you to parroting me. You hooded kluxie dickheads sure know how to be the butts of jokes, don't you.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
So I am waiting on you to graduate from the text book, boy, and show us your social democracy in practice while explaining the so-called scientific basis of Marxism,
Won't need to, because by the time we're done, you'll demonstrate to us that you understand Marx's philosophy, and:
Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought as "the white man's ideology", that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis.
Lay out in detail, Marx's philosophy with primary evidence, and then compare how that stacks against that practiced by Lenin and Trotsky. Demonstrate how the latter veered from that philosophy.
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quote: Let me get this: you were convinced that Trotsky and Lenin weren't Marxists
Like your other beatdowns your attempt at building straws is futile. I explained which Marxist did what. If you have a problem with comprehension Ausarianstein don't blame me. LOL
quote: Good question,.. What do you understand by the Russian October Revolution?
HAHAHaH Again you answer questions with questions! This is paralysis!
quote: Your dumb *opinions* weigh nothing. Elaborate to us, why you think that
My dumb opinions weigh nothing YET you still ask for them? Am I your superior or what? lol
quote: What does this "international finance" constitute?
Read the source...oops you don't read, I forgot, my bad.
quote: Of course the "Jewish thing" is simpleton stupidity: Was G. V. Plekhanov Jewish? How about: Mikhail Lifshits, E. V. Ilyenkov, Rosa Luxemburg, Stalin, and the entire Russian working class that made the October Revolution possible.
quote: Alright, what do you understand by "the Jewish bourgeoisie"; what bearing does it have on the scientific underpinnings of Marx's philosophy?
Wow! More questions! They were neither workers, peasants, or gentiles Ausarianstein i.e. they did not represent the masses, hence no "peoples revolution" you stupid commie Jew. lol
quote:Was "repression and terror" by either Plekhanov, Ulyanov or Trotsky?
Was waiting for this one. Yes Lenin and Trotsky bare responsibility for the terror, if you are going to argue that the Cheka and the general terror operated independently of the Bolshevik leadership then you just prove my (and Arwa's) point that you fascist Zionist commie Jews are the same in apologia.
quote: Tell us why you are too mentally paralyzed in distinguishing between Marxist, Nazist and Zionist philosophies, and why you are convinced delusion is fact.
Yep, more questions, more evidence of paralysis. You never even attempted to refute my statement you pathetic commie Jew! LOL
quote: Won't need to
Because you cant, that's my whole f**kin point! LMAO!!! You can't leave the text book and show us the practical application of your philosophy so you bait and curse, bait and curse. You are crazy facist commie Jew, the burden is on you! Now deal with what I say or continue to entertain us.
Yall gone make me lose my mind up in here, up in here, Yall gone make me act a fool up in here, up in here, Yall gone make me lose my cool up in here, up in here,
Like your other beatdowns your attempt at building straws is futile. I explained which Marxist did what. If you have a problem with comprehension Ausarianstein don't blame me. LOL
This confused muddle proves that you are one confused sick kluxie puppy: Does this:
No simpleton annexation is an example of what Marxists do in practice - osama akobenladen
Apply to Ulyanov, Plekhanov or Trotsky? Explain.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
This is paralysis!
Yes, your non-answer to the question at hand, is indicative of severe mental paralysis, and?
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
My dumb opinions weigh nothing YET you still ask for them?
See, that's were the problem lies: your stunning psychosis has convinced you to evade the following, as "asking for osama's opinions", but to deliver:
What is Zionist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Marxist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
Tell us what is indistinguishable about Zionist and Marxist philosophical specificities.
What is Nazism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Fascism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is the difference between Nazism and Facism, and in turn, detail the lack of distinction between those respective two and Marxist and Zionist philosophies respectively.
Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
Are philosophies by definition not ideas of a person(s)? Are these ideas not by definition a process of "history"? Are the authors not part of history? Why were they brought up - is that not part of history; under what conditions? When was the ideology put into practice and how; If a person veers from the principles of an ideology, why identify that person by that ideology?
Lay down the Stalin philosophy and that of Lenin and Trotsky, backed with primary texts, and demonstrate why the latter alienated the former, and why Trotsky was assassinated upon Stalin's order, i.e. if they all were supposed to have adhered to Marx's philosophy without veering.
Lay out in detail, Marx's philosophy with primary evidence, and then compare how that stacks against that practiced by Lenin and Trotsky. Demonstrate how the latter veered from that philosophy.
Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought as "the white man's ideology", that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis.
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken. Queering around is cheap.
...you need to be able to define 'fact', get it stupid hooded kluxie kiddo.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Am I your superior or what? lol
In one word: Nope.
You have yet to attain the intellectual integrity of even my dick [of which you have none]. Lol.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Read the source...oops you don't read, I forgot, my bad.
Good. You don't have neither a clue or a *detailed* source. Let's proceed then.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
quote: Of course the "Jewish thing" is simpleton stupidity: Was G. V. Plekhanov Jewish? How about: Mikhail Lifshits, E. V. Ilyenkov, Rosa Luxemburg, Stalin, and the entire Russian working class that made the October Revolution possible.
You're forced acknowledge the non-Jewish elements, and yet...
It bodes well for a simpleton like me who is able to recognize that the October Revolution couldn't have happened without the working class participation, when a "well read" carribean dick-hustler like you is mentally paralyzed to do so.
It bodes well for a simpleton like me who is too smart to mistake the Russian working class with Jewry, when a "well read" carribean hustler like you is mentally inhibited to doing so.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Wow! More questions!
That you can't answer, Yes.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Was waiting for this one. Yes Lenin and Trotsky bare responsibility for the terror, if you are going to argue that the Cheka and the general terror operated independently of the Bolshevik leadership then you just prove my (and Arwa's) point that you fascist Zionist commie Jews are the same in apologia.
In which case, you have an answer for this:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
...right? Come on, let's see what you're made of, you Jamaican warthog-dick humping kluxie.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
You never even attempted to refute my statement you pathetic commie Jew! LOL
kluxie cunt,
Remember: In order for something to be refuted, a coherent sentence has to be made first, and it must be demonstrated to be true to begin with.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Yall gone make me lose my mind up in here, up in here, Yall gone make me act a fool up in here, up in here, Yall gone make me lose my cool up in here, up in here,
LOL
kluxie cunt,
Male-call chants aside, by the time we're done, you'll demonstrate to us that you understand Marx's philosophy, and:
Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought as "the white man's ideology", that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis.
Lay out in detail, Marx's philosophy with primary evidence, and then compare how that stacks against that practiced by Lenin and Trotsky. Demonstrate how the latter veered from that philosophy.
...so I won't have to. The burden is all yours, deadhead kluxie nazi apologist.
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quote:Apply to Ulyanov, Plekhanov or Trotsky? Explain.
Straw
quote: You're forced acknowledge the non-Jewish elements, and yet... It bodes well for a simpleton like me who is able to recognize that the October Revolution couldn't have happened without the working class participation
Never said there were no gentiles. Mass dissatisfaction was a factor, however this was always there and in other countries too, the crucial factor was introduction of international finance...oops you are clueless here, and this explains your simple minded view of the historical event.
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Look, this is deja vu. Like the holocaust beat down you are reduced to trolling. I already expressed my opinions (they are all essentially the same) based on facts (Fact is there was repression and terror in pre-Stalin Bolshevik Russia, fact is there was collusion between Nazism, Marxism and Zionism and all practiced in varying degrees socialism) either you refute them with counter evidence or continue to...
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Lol. Totally disarmed to make a point [only leaving the caribbean dick-humper speechless with a pointless one word liner], proves that osama akobenladen truly is one bonehead ku kluxie puppy.
You can make this profound generalization about Marxists:
No simpleton annexation is an example of what Marxists do in practice - osama akobenladen
Yet don't know if it applies to Plekhanov, Marx, Ulyanov or Trotsky?!
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
quote: You're forced acknowledge the non-Jewish elements, and yet... It bodes well for a simpleton like me who is able to recognize that the October Revolution couldn't have happened without the working class participation
Never said there were no gentiles.
In which case, focusing on its Jewish elements, as opposed to what brought it to power the support of the Russian working class, was pointless.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Mass dissatisfaction was a factor, however this was always there and in other countries too
Well of course, ku kluxie turd. *Mass* dissatisfaction with the *pre-existing bourgeois social order* was *the* main factor behind the success of the October Revolution.
The point about this "dissatisfaction always being there", shows gross criminal uneducation on history, which seeks to downplay the material uniqueness of the October Revolution from its antecedent workers' struggles in Russia at the time.
Prior to the October Revolution, yes there was workers' struggle in the form of that which mobilized the peasantry. But that struggle was 1)not led by activist "heroes" with any objectives for independent but systematic worker's political conciousness and ultimately, political dominance by the working mass. 2)It only focused on the immediate economic situations of the peasantry. 3)In that struggle, bands of revolting peasantry adopted a terror-policy which was only aimed at "pressuring" the rulers of the pre-existing social order to undertake reforms and economic concessions, and hence, leaving the pre-existing social order unshaken. 4)The peasantry struggle was outmoded, in that the pre-existing social order was evolving with rapid industrialization and thereby, developing a new type of working group - the modern industrial working class. The peasantry struggle failed, if not refused, to take this development into account, and hence, left unprepared for that developing situation, which would have left the Czar autocracy in place, while paving way for new oppressive conditions. To this end, G.V. Plekhanov, a Russian revolutionary of the October Revolution and considered "Father of Russian Marxism", said:
not a single class which has achieved political domination has had cause to regret its interest in politics, but on the contrary ... each of them attained the highest, the culminating point of its development only after it had acquired political domination... we must admit that the political struggle is an instrument of social reconstruction whose effectiveness is proved by history....
Only gradually does the oppressed class become clear about the connection between its economic position and its political role in the state. For a long time it does not understand even its economic task to the full. The individuals composing it wage a hard struggle for their daily subsistence without even thinking which aspects of the social organization they owe their wretched condition to. They try to avoid the blows aimed at them without asking where they came from or by whom, in the final analysis, they are aimed. As yet they have no class consciousness and there is no guiding idea in their struggle against individual oppressors...
Even now, for example, we frequently enough meet a worker who hates the particularly intensive exploiter but does not yet suspect that the whole class of exploiters must be fought and the very possibility of exploitation of man by man removed...
The class of exploiters appears to them as the simple sum of individual employers, not connected by the threads of political organization. At this stage of development it is not yet clear in the minds of the oppressed... what connection exists between society and state.
State power is presumed to stand above the antagonisms of the classes; its representatives appear to be the natural judges and conciliators of the hostile sides. The oppressed have complete trust in them and are extremely surprised when their requests for help remain unanswered by them.
Without dwelling on particular examples, we will merely note that such confusion of concepts was displayed even recently by the British workers, who waged quite an energetic struggle in the economic field and yet considered it possible to belong to one of the bourgeois political parties."
The moral being: how can one solve a problem, without first knowing the nature of the problem and its origins. In the social sense, political consciousness is a very necessary remedy for this.
So to simply say that "mass dissatisfaction was always there", is to deny oneself the fact 1)that there was no other "October Revolution" prior to the fact; that this Revolution is not the same as its antecedents in either Russia or elsewhere at that time, 2)that it was the Revolution that led to the overthrow of the Czar, not the ones prior, 3)that it was led by leaders who had the objective for the first time to *practically* overthrow the pre-existing repressive social order all together [even as the process was expected to be a protracted one] by pushing for political education of workers on their 'social being' (class awareness) and clarity towards the system responsible for their oppressive empirical socio-economic experiences; that the means to achieving this organization was through workers' political party *independent* of the bourgeoisie, 4)that it was facilitated by the backing of the newly emerged social group in Russia - the modern industrial working class, and 5)that this process of social democracy was to be borderless in order to be effective; in other words, "socialism in one state" or "socialism in isolation" would turn a revolution into a counterrevolution, with a good example of this being the Stalin Soviet bureaucracy. No matter that "mass dissatisfaction was always there", fact is they didn't "always" undertake workers' revolution [and still the case], and more importantly, one of the nature of the October Revolution prior to the fact!
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
, the crucial factor was introduction of international finance...oops you are clueless here
Yet, you a sect member of the dateless virgin kluxie loon-fringe clowns, who is supposedly the one with a clue, couldn't answer this:
What does this "international finance" constitute?
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
I already expressed my opinions
Good to know you are aware that you've been spewing purely uneducated *opinions* [called crackscience]; they certainly aren't factual.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
(they are all essentially the same) based on facts (Fact is there was repression and terror in pre-Stalin Bolshevik Russia, fact is there was collusion between Nazism, Marxism and Zionism and all practiced in varying degrees socialism) either you refute them with counter evidence or continue to...
It's been refuted the moment you failed to:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
And
Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought as "the white man's ideology", that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis.
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quote: Yet don't know if it applies to Plekhanov, Marx, Ulyanov or Trotsky?!
Again, straw. "I explained which Marxist did what. If you have a problem with comprehension Ausarianstein don't blame me."
quote: In which case, focusing on its Jewish elements, as opposed to what brought it to power the support of the Russian working class, was pointless.
Again, simpleton. Focusing on Jewish elements puts them into context i.e. no peoples movement, their only "independence" from the Russian bourgeoisie was in their Jewishness.
quote: Well of course, ku kluxie turd. *Mass* dissatisfaction with the *pre-existing bourgeois social order* was *the* main factor behind the success of the October Revolution.
Again like with holocaust debate you quote commie rhetoric to back up you your options and, amazingly, while denying Pre-Stalin Bolshevik crimes, you associate only the peasants with terror! Wow! Damn Jew apologist! LMAO!!!
quote: Prior to the October Revolution, yes there was workers' struggle in the form of that which mobilized the peasantry. But that struggle was ..troll troll troll
Again, predictable Trotskyite apologia. Movements with the "correct" leadership and philosophy can't overthrow long established orders, sillyboy, or this would have been replicated in other places - hence the unscientific nature of Marxism. The modern industrial working class, slow process of reform etc are all factors that contributed, but when the Csar was denied the opportunity to defend his peacock throne he was finished. Without the fact of hostile international finance, the Csar would have been able to thwart the efforts of Trotsky et al. as he had done with others in the past. This is why none of your commie sources mention the hidden factor of Wall-Street in that period, and after.
It was no peoples revolution, which was why even after overthrowing one dictatorship they had to establish another, which goes back to the "Fact is there was repression and terror in pre-Stalin Bolshevik Russia", again, deal with that Jew boy.
The rest is noting but opinions and troll. After all this time you have yet to move beyond text book and show us where is this social democracy in practice. Hence your failure to even attempt to challenge the "Fact is there was repression and terror in pre-Stalin Bolshevik Russia" i.e. under your Pre-Stalin Jew heroes. LOL
quote: Yet don't know if it applies to Plekhanov, Marx, Ulyanov or Trotsky?!
Again, straw. "I explained which Marxist did what. If you have a problem with comprehension Ausarianstein don't blame me."
Yes, I do blame you, little ku kluxie insect: for your negative IQ level in not seeing the contradiction in generalizing what Marxist do, and yet not know if you're applying that to Mark, Plekhanov, Ulyanov, or Trotsky. Look up the meaning of 'straw'.
quote:Jamaican babbling osama akobenladen:
Again, simpleton. Focusing on Jewish elements puts them into context
Whinin' & moanin' ku kluxie insect,
How does focusing on ethnicities of a subset of a larger movement put things into context? Oh yeah, in propping up nazism.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
i.e. no peoples movement
On what historical basis have you deduced that the October Revolution was not the Russian people's movement?...other than misguided hatred for facts.
quote:Babblin osama akobenladen:
, their only "independence" from the Russian bourgeoisie was in their Jewishness.
You ku kluxie idiot, how's "Jewishness" supposed to have made them independent of the Russian bourgeoisie, when there were in fact bourgeois and petty bourgeois Jews therein, like elsewhere in Europe, who didn't sign onto the workers' movements? In fact, various Jewish segments were notably late on signing onto the workers' movements.
And oh, ku kluxie nut, are you prepared to show that the Russian working class are nothing but Jews?
Confused babbler: first he grudingly admits non-Jewish elements of the workers' movement, then he proceeds to say that it was all Jewish.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Again like with holocaust debate you quote commie rhetoric to back up you your options
On what historical basis, do you intend to dismiss the social science underpinning of G.V. Plekhanov's words as simply rhetoric?
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
and, amazingly, while denying Pre-Stalin Bolshevik crimes, you associate only the peasants with terror! Wow! Damn Jew apologist! LMAO!!!
Can't deny what hasn't been proven; remember, you failed to:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
You are much more than a nutty ku kluxie apologist for facism and nazism; you were the premiere nut-suckler of hitler and mussolini.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
quote: Prior to the October Revolution, yes there was workers' struggle in the form of that which mobilized the peasantry. But that struggle was ..troll troll troll
Again, predictable Trotskyite apologia.
In what way is Russia's history of peasantry struggle prior to the October Revolution not a fact, and simply "predictable Trotskyite apologia"?
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Movements with the "correct" leadership and philosophy can't overthrow long established orders, sillyboy, or this would have been replicated in other places
sillybitch, the success behind the movement, was its signing onto it, effective leadership and most importantly, mass workers' support.
Part of the success of the October Revolution, as you're were just educated on but went aloof your empty Jamaican coconut head, was its leadership's political independence from the bourgeois, and recognition of the newly emerging socio-economic order under the Russian autocracy. Go hit the books, ku kluxie idiot.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
The modern industrial working class, slow process of reform etc are all factors that contributed, but when the Csar was denied the opportunity to defend his peacock throne he was finished.
Both the emerging modern industrial Russian working class and the peasantry [a fact you're criminally ignorant], a notable majority segment of the population at the time, led movements against the Czar autocracy, but these struggles took starkingly different objective approaches; one struggle didn't unseat the autocracy, while the other did, and that other was the Bolshevik led October Revolution. That's a fact that you'll never compute; you creepy reactionaries are allergic to fact.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Without the fact of hostile international finance, the Csar would have been able to thwart the efforts of Trotsky et al.
Of course ku kluxie nut, any movement requires financing; that is a no-brainer, but then, you have no brain. Yet you don't know:
What does this "international finance" constitute?
You must be self-convinced that repeating nonsense turns it into sense.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
as he had done with others in the past.
"Others" which lacked financing? and why they lacked financing? Elaborate.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
This is why none of your commie sources mention the hidden factor of Wall-Street in that period, and after.
Elaborate on this "hidden factor of Wall-street". Empty ku kluxie rhetoric doesn't suffice.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
It was no peoples revolution, which was why even after overthrowing one dictatorship they had to establish another
See request vis-a-vis October Revolution not being a people's movement.
Tell us about this October Revolution mark 2, that repeated the results of October Revolution of 1917. Hope this is not one of your ku klux sect soup you forge in your nazi-banner cocoon, that you call stormfront.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
which goes back to the "Fact is there was repression and terror in pre-Stalin Bolshevik Russia", again, deal with that Jew boy.
I have been dealing with it, ku kluxie nut-suckler, by telling you to:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
^But you don't have the balls to deal with that, that's the real problem at hand. This is of course symptomatic of being excessively numb in the skull.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
The rest is noting but opinions and troll.
Specify and elaborate, ku kluxie nut. Bitchin' & moanin' is cheap.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
After all this time you have yet to move beyond text book...
All this time, you have yet to compute what was actually said, to see au contraire of your deduction.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
and show us where is this social democracy in practice.
ku kluxie hill billy,
Social democracy doesn't occur as a single event. It is something that was and is expected to be protracted. Human social events take shape as a protracted thread of processes and events; if you weren't a turd, this would be apparent. Now, the first shot at this process, was for the first time undertaken in the October Revolution movement. The budding revolution however, met with hard counterrevolutionary conditions right from the start, when October Revolution put in place the new leadership. Thus, under those conditions the revolution had to fight for its life, taking temporary but harsh measures that were forced upon it by the prevailing condition where necessary. Remember, this was at a time when all the major [and even some minor ones] imperialist powers did whatever they could to exterminate the "flowering" Russian Revolution. It was one hectic socio-economic period, particularly in the well known time frame of 1917-1923. In the meantime, the October Revolution leadership put in all efforts to coordinate the Russian workers' struggles with those elsewhere in Europe. They knew damn well then, that the success of the revolution lay in the success of workers' revolution outside the borders of the Soviet. Anyway, to cut a very long story short, the October Revolution paved way for the start of the social democracy process, which was expected to be quite a long one, in its infancy; however, given the backward socio-economic conditions and cultural-backwardness prevalent in Russia at the time [shared elsewhere in Europe], social democracy in its infancy was forced to take place in isolation, that is to say "socialism in one" country, which it goes without saying, went against Marxist and the revolutionary doctrine. This caused a revolutionary movement to degenerate into a counterrevolutionary one.
No of course, none of this would be news to you, if you weren't so avid in your patented creepy crawly trolling and allergic to fact-seeking and reading. Instead, you're reduced to petty citing of links that you've never even read, and that take snippets of quotes from the past out of context...self-jubilantly thinking that it makes you look like a big shot, when in fact, it exposes the petty unread cracker-ass crackpot nutcase that you are.
Can't wait to see you deliver your pressing obligations...when hell freezes over.
And oh, other than bitchin' & moanin' all day on a forum about being a beatdown nigger, what practical solution do you actually have for drastically and substantially turning things around for the better for *your* people [whatever crap that is], ku kluxie?
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Focusing on the Jewish elements puts them into context.
It was not a peoples movement.
quote: he proceeds to say that it was all Jewish.
Don't lie because you are a dunce commie Ausarianstein.
quote: What does this "international finance" constitute?
When are you going to take the advice of your commie heroes and READ?
quote: Elaborate on this "hidden factor of Wall-street".
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So after all your trolling you were finally forced to deal with the issue of social democracy in practice and repression after playing dumb ("*who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky"). But for once you surprised me Ausarianstein, I thought you were going to distance the leadership from the terror ("if you are going to argue that the Cheka and the general terror operated independently of the Bolshevik leadership") but no matter you still live up to my expectations with the typical commie apologia: the repression and terror (your so-called "harsh measures". how's that for euphemism? lol)) was forced on them because of the circumstances. TRANSLATION: IT'S NOT FASCISM WHEN WE DO IT! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! So you see after all your trolling you end up proving Arwa correct that you commies, fascists, Zionists are the same! But your opinions/apologia on why the terror was necessary aside, few facts and observations need stressing 1) international finance was not hostile to the Bolsheviks so that excuse cannot hold 2) they had to resort to repression because, as my sources show, it was Jewish in leadership and character, not representative of the masses, which was why anti-Jewish sentiments grew. If it was a workers revolution, silly jew boy, then there would be no need to take away their rights and repress them as the monarchy did. You can't show this social democracy because, as I said its only in the text book. You lose again. That's two for me!
Pic. spamming of your sex clients isn't going to save the day.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
Don't lie because you are a dunce commie Ausarianstein.
stupid ku kluxie,
A lie has to first be demonstrated as such. Bitchin' & whinin' don't cut it.
quote: When are you going to take the advice of your commie heroes and READ?
Long done; when is this going to happen: you stop taking advice of your virgin ku kluxie monks in bitchin', moanin' & trollin' about being a beatdown nigger, and produce a source that is readible.
Can't read that which doesn't exist.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
So after all your trolling you were finally forced to deal with the issue of social democracy in practice and repression
I've been dealing with material all along; you just couldn't get it, because you've been forced to keep it in your best interest to remain as excessively stupid as possible. Being stupid enables you apply a total mental shutdown shield to advancing facts.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
playing dumb ("*who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky").
Not necessary. We already have you, the dummy who can't:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
But for once you suspired me Ausarianstein, I thought you were going to distance the leadership from the terror ("if you are going to argue that the Cheka and the general terror operated independently of the Bolshevik leadership")
But *your* intellectually-dud bewilderment doesn't surprise me. Can't distance nameless leadership from unspecific terror without context. Btw, that's a another no-brainer - but understandable, in that you have no brains.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
but no matter you still live up to my expectations with the typical commie apologia: the repression and terror (your so-called "harsh measures". how's that for euphemism? lol))
For something to be an apologia, it has to be demonstrated as non-factual. They don't teach you ku kluxies that in nazi kindergarten, do they.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
was forced on them because of the circumstances.
TRANSLATION: IT'S NOT FACISM WHEN WE DO IT! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
Your mistranslation shows your intrinsic allergic reaction to becoming literate and so forth, learning facts, so that they don't become news to you.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
So you see after all your trolling you end up proving Arwa correct that you commies, fascists, Zionists are the same!
Can't prove Arwa correct on something that either herself or yourself cannot define. To understand the "correctness" of something, you have to understand its definition first. That's just common sense, ku kluxie nut.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
But your opinions/apologia on why the terror was necessary aside
Can't form an opinion/apologia on something that isn't defined, like:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
, few facts and observations need stressing 1) international finance was not hostile to the Bolsheviks so that excuse cannot hold 2)
"Facts" need clarification & context:
What does this "international finance" constitute?
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
they had to resort to repression because, as my sources show
You can't proclaim to understand forces behind an action, without understanding the question:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
it was Jewish in leadership and character
Of what; the October Revolution? If so, then:
1)show that the October Revolution was Jewish sectarianism, and by definition,
ku kluxie nut, 2) are you prepared to show that the Russian working class are nothing but Jews?
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
not representative of the masses, which was why anti-Jewish sentiments grew.
In which case, you'll tell us:
On what historical basis have you deduced that the October Revolution was not the Russian people's movement?...other than misguided hatred for facts.
And not dodge it again.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
If it was a workers revolution, silly jew boy, then there would be no need to take away their rights and repress them as the monarchy did.
silly bitch, you're severely confused; first you were forced to say this upon education on facts:
The modern industrial working class, slow process of reform etc are all factors that contributed, but when the Csar was denied the opportunity to defend his peacock throne he was finished. - osama akobenladen
Now you retrack from it. And yet, you levy this charge about "taking away the rights of workers and repressing them" without any regard to context, even as you fail to:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
Who do you suppose fought for the military arm of the Bolsheviks accross the country, it weren't for their working class supporters?
How do you suppose the October Revolution even took place, without action by the working class?
The peasantry in pre-October Revolution had undertook violent struggles against the autocracy, which requires financing stupid ku kluxie. Why didn't it succeed?
How do you intend to explain this off; according to German historian Michal Reiman:
"The importance of the left opposition is often underestimated in the literature [M]any authors doubt that the opposition had any substantial influence on the mass of party members and even less on broader sections of the population. One can hardly agree with such views: they seem paradoxical indeed in light of the mountain of ammunition expended on the opposition by the party leadership in those years the multitude of official declarations, reports, pamphlets, and books, not to mention the mass political campaigns that penetrated even the remotest parts of the USSR...
In the spring of 1926 the united opposition, based on a cadre of old and experienced party leaders, conquered some fairly significant positions. It consolidated its influence in Leningrad, the Ukraine, Transcaucasia, and the Urals region; in the universities; in some of the central government offices; in a number of factories of Moscow and the central industrial region; and among a section of the command staff of the army and navy, which had passed through the difficult years of the civil war under Trotskys leadership. Repression by the party leadership prevented the opposition from growing, but its influence was still much greater than indicated by the various votes taken in the party cells...
the party organizations continued to be flooded especially in the large urban centers and the two capitals with opposition literature and leaflets. Reports of heightened opposition activity came one after another from various cities and from entire provinces Leningrad, the Ukraine, Transcaucasia, Siberia, the Urals, and, of course, Moscow, where the greater number of opposition political leaders were working. There was a steadily growing number of illegal and semi-legal meetings attended by industrial workers and young people. The influence of the opposition in a number of large party units became quite substantial. It hampered the former free functioning of the Stalinist party apparatus. The army was also strongly affected by opposition activity. Reports on a significant rise in the authority of the opposition came from the Leningrad military district and the garrison in Leningrad, from Kronstadt, and from troop units in the Ukraine and Byelorussia.
The main problem was not the increase in opposition activity, however, but the overall balance of power within the party. Quite a large number of famous political leaders were on the opposition side. The weakened authority of the party leadership, especially of Stalin and Bukharin, was insufficient to turn the setbacks and failures of party policy into gains"
If this is the case, the question becomes, how Stalin was able to keep Left Opposition in check.
Reiman clues us in:
"The leadership could not cope with the situation without bringing the GPU into the fight."
I warned you about being excessively unread and citing links you don't understand, and which quote historical figures out-of-context.
quote:Babbling osama akobenladen:
You can't show this social democracy because, as I said its only in the text book. You lose again.
ku kluxie hill billy,
I couldn't show you common sense, if you were staring right at it. That's how obtuse you are. The only thing you're talented at, is bitchin', moanin' & trollin' all day in a forum about being a beaten down nigger.
You couldn't even deliver on the request for your practical solution, amongst the many.
Even an idiot can see from the content and quality of exchanges, that I'm lightyears ahead of you in the subject matter.
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quote: A lie has to first be demonstrated as such. Bitchin' & whinin' don't cut it.
Now you're lying about your lies. How pathetic.
quote: I've been dealing with material all along; you just couldn't get it
Oh yes I do, I know of this type of apologia long before you even posted it, predictable commie. LOL
quote: Not necessary.
Thats because you turned the gun on yourself in your apologia on the repression. LOL
Having read your trolling, again, it's obvious that you, like all good apologists, want to have your cake and eat it. You grudgingly admit there were "harsh measures" taken by the "budding revolution", and then seek to deny that it constitutes repression and terror. Similar to Zionist apologia: baby Israel too had to fight for its life surrounded by hostile Arabs but it is bunk! In separating "harsh measures" from repression and terror, Ausarianstein, you are doing nothing but hair splitting, Arwa, correct again. As a result of your awkward defense position, you ignore my sources, knowing full well they will demolish your rubbish (yet you gleefully post yours for me to read! How unfair is that?! lol) and feverishly try to look for holes in my post. This is futile, boy. Let me explain.
I never said one factor led to the overthrow. All the factors I outlined contributed to the crisis situation which the Jewish Bolshevik movement exploited. Workers and peasants revolted before, however, it was international finance that prevented him from weathering it as he did in the past. Chipping away at his throne over time, it finally caved in, not because of Marxism, but capitalism! That's the irony of history you stupid commie. This is why you can't read my sources. Yes the masses helped to overthrow the Csar they too hated, but they were not empowered as a result. Hindsight is 20/20 They could hardly have foreseen that they were merely foot soldiers contributing to their own enslavement. Again if it was a workers revolution why didn't they support their so-called representatives? Why did their so-called representatives find the need to repress...oops sorry, resort to "harsh measures" against them? Why did anti-Jewish sentiments grow? So once again, it comes back to what I said, like all high sounding philosophies, social democracy only exists I the text books. Bolshevik revolution was no workers revolution and repression and terror did not start with the "reactionary divergent" Stalin. Your sources refute nothing I say and you end up admitting while simultaneously trying to deny, how's that for intellectual gymnastics! LMAO!!!!!!!!!
quote: Even an idiot can see from the content and quality of exchanges, that I'm lightyears ahead of you in the subject matter.
Which idiot is this, Rasolowitz? LMAO @ Ausarianstein trying to sooth his bruised ego after another beat down!
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Oh yes I do, I know of this type of apologia long before you even posted it, predictable commie. LOL
Oh yeah, beaten-down ku klux slave; then what do you understand about delivering:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought as "the white man's ideology", that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis.
Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought as "the white man's ideology", that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis.
Lay out in detail, Marx's philosophy with primary evidence, and then compare how that stacks against that practiced by Lenin and Trotsky. Demonstrate how the latter veered from that philosophy.
Bitchin' & whinin' is cheap.
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
Thats because you turned the gun on yourself in your apologia on the repression. LOL
beaten-down ku klux slave, it is impossible to turn a gun on oneself in something that doesn't exist.
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
Having read...trolling
Yes, I heard yours.
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
, again, it's obvious that you, like all good apologists, want to have your cake and eat it.
What cake? Be specific, beaten-down ku klux slave.
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
You grudgingly admit there were "harsh measures"
First, one doesn't grudgingly admit something that was brought to attention for the first time. Second, you are to obtuse to have asked what those "harsh measures" were. You jumped the gun to assume that by "harsh measures", that I was somehow equating it with your undefined blabber about "repression and terror". Hence, it is no wonder why you need to:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
You chose not to, obviously because 1)you are clueless about history; 2)even if you did, your charge would fall apart. Talk is cheap.
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
In separating "harsh measures" from repression and terror, Ausarianstein
Yes, and what of it? If there was no such separation, you would have instantly:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
But you failed. What does that say about you? That you are full of hot air and low in hard substance.
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
, you are doing nothing but hair splitting, Arwa, correct again.
Can't split hair on something that doesn't exist. However, that you and Arwa cannot distinguish between Marxism, Nazism, Facism, Zionism and socialism by your own admissions, does in fact exist.
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
As a result of your awkward defense position, you ignore my sources
If you knew how to read, you would have learnt that the brief paragraphs that I had posted on the historical backdrop of the October Revolution actually address the ahistorical and out-of-context quote bits of your link, which you never really examined but just blindly posted it without regard to facts, because you, your lazy-self was incapable of addressing the questions asked of you point by point.
You thought that by linking to a pseudoscientific source, would have somehow relieved you of answering your pressing obligations, but of course, you miscalculated. Case in point, you still couldn't answer this, after repetitively requesting you to:
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
Or this:
What does this "international finance" constitute?
A good example of your link's pseudoscience, which obviously escaped youbecause you are ignorant of history, deceitful, lazy and didn't bother readingis its talk of:
In April 1918 the Bolshevik secret police (The Cheka) raided 26 Anarchist centres in Moscow. 40 Anarchists were killed or injured and over 500 imprisoned [3]. In May the leading Anarchist publications were closed down [4]. Both of these events occurred before the excuse of the outbreak of the Civil War could be used as a 'justification'. These raids occurred because the Bolsheviks were beginning to lose the arguments about the running of Russian industry.
Apparently someone has forgotten to tell those clowns who authored that link, that the Bolsheviks never did stop fighting even after they were put into power by the October Revolution. In fact, Russia was still in the World War. Upon the success of the October Revolution in putting them into power, by the overthrowing of the Czar, the Bolsheviks still had to fight remnants of the autocracy supporters, peasantry and "anarchists" who didn't sign onto the Bolshevik revolutionary cause, and outsider surrogates of major imperialist powers and their collaborators to stamp out what was then seen as a potential "flowering" Russian Revolution. So the conflicts locally and from overseas didn't all just instantly stop overnight, simply because the Bolsheviks siezed power; it was ongoing, and only till about 1922 or so, did the Bolsheviks meaningfully stamp out resistence.
You would have recognized all this, if you weren't such a historically ignorant beaten-down whining nigger.
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
knowing full well they will demolish your rubbish (yet you gleefully post yours for me to read! How unfair is that?!
Wishful thinking does work for self-delusion. So knock yourself out.
quote: Whinin' osama akobenladen:
and feverishly try to look for holes in my post.
A process made very easy; where shall I start? How about all these you've been dodging:
What is Zionist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Marxist philosophy: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
Tell us what is indistinguishable about Zionist and Marxist philosophical specificities.
What is Nazism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is Fascism: Who's its author, and what do you understand by it?
What is the difference between Nazism and Facism, and in turn, detail the lack of distinction between those respective two and Marxist and Zionist philosophies respectively.
Define socialism; is all the above socialist, or is socialism a separate entity? Who's its author, and what do you understand by it.
Are philosophies by definition not ideas of a person(s)? Are these ideas not by definition a process of "history"? Are the authors not part of history? Why were they brought up - is that not part of history; under what conditions? When was the ideology put into practice and how; If a person veers from the principles of an ideology, why identify that person by that ideology?
Lay down the Stalin philosophy and that of Lenin and Trotsky, backed with primary texts, and demonstrate why the latter alienated the former, and why Trotsky was assassinated upon Stalin's order, i.e. if they all were supposed to have adhered to Marx's philosophy without veering.
Lay out in detail, Marx's philosophy with primary evidence, and then compare how that stacks against that practiced by Lenin and Trotsky. Demonstrate how the latter veered from that philosophy.
Elaborate to us, why you think that by simply labeling Marxist philosophical thought as "the white man's ideology", that you've somehow refuted its schematic scientific basis.
Name specifically *who* was "repressed and terrorized" by Plekhanov, Ulyanov and Trotsky, the dates of these events, the settings of these events, the objective forces behind these events, and the socio-economic order under which these events were undertaken.
And these:
No simpleton annexation is an example of what Marxists do in practice - osama akobenladen
Does this apply to Ulyanov, Plekhanov or Trotsky?
the crucial factor was introduction of international finance...oops you are clueless here - osama akobenladen
^What does this "international finance" constitute?
it was Jewish in leadership and character - osama akobenladen
^Of what; the October Revolution? If so, then:
Confused babbler: first he grudingly admits non-Jewish elements of the workers' movement, then he proceeds to say that it was all Jewish.
1)show that the October Revolution was Jewish sectarianism, and by definition,
2) are you prepared to show that the Russian working class are nothing but Jews?
3)On what historical basis have you deduced that the October Revolution was not the Russian people's movement?
The modern industrial working class, slow process of reform etc are all factors that contributed, but when the Csar was denied the opportunity to defend his peacock throne he was finished. - osama akobenladen
Now you retrack from it. Explain the inconsistency, and...
On what historical basis, do you intend to dismiss the social science underpinning of G.V. Plekhanov's words as simply rhetoric?
On what historical basis, do you intend to dismiss the historical facts portrayed by Michal Reiman?
Quite list of pressing obligations you've failed to deliver, isn't it. It shows that bitchin' & whinin' is cheap.
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
This is futile, boy.
Indeed, whinin' and trollin' is cheap, bitch.
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
I never said one factor led to the overthrow. All the factors I outlined contributed to the crisis situation which the Jewish Bolshevik movement exploited.
This point itself demonstrates your lack of conception of a revolution, let alone Marx's philosophy. If deterioriting socio-economic conditions isn't cause for exploitation for a Revolution, then what is? You need to buy common sense, beaten-down ku klux slave.
The keyword here is "dissatisfaction of the masses", a considerable section of whom supported the revolutionary cause of the October Revolution. Now, of course a beaten-down ku klux dummy like you, dismisses these masses as "Jewish", much like Hitler and the Russian autocracy did so, because you are all anti-humanistic anti-proletarian reactionaries.
See how much you have in common with ruthless bestial mass murderers?!
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
Workers and peasants revolted before, however, it was international finance that prevented him from weathering it as he did in the past.
Why didn't the peasantry movement against the Czar not acheive international financing, as did the Bolshevik led October Revolution by implication?
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
Chipping away at his throne over time, it finally caved in, not because of Marxism, but capitalism!
How did capitalism overthrow the Czar?
The autocracy had support of major imperialist allies in the first World War. The Russian society at the time, though evolving towards capilatist tendencies, was still largely agrarian in nature. The peasantry movement that led a violent struggle against the autocracy in pre-October Revolution era was by no means capitalist-driven. The Bolshevik-led October Revolution which did overthrow the autocracy was by no means capitalist-driven either, and that Revolution was by no means supported by the major imperialist powers [many of which were capitalist] of the day. So, go ahead; please explain away, this interesting idea that capitalism somehow overthrew the Czar autocracy.
quote:Whinin' osama akobenladen:
That's the irony of history you stupid commie.
Yes, stupid beaten-down ku klux slave; your viewpoint of history vis-a-vis facts, is quite ironic.
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