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Well, what else? They always win by default. Look, if black money could monopolise the production of films about African history then this kind of thing would not happen.
Hollywood gave international audiences and viewers Exodus, Samson and Delilah, Solomon and Bathsheba, The Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, The Diary of Anne Frank, Shoah, and the list goes on and on.
A screen picture of Moses can never defeat 1000 research papers on his purported DNA or that of the Pharaoh Moses's God defeated.
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Mistake above: "1000 research papers on Moses's purported DNA could never defeat a Hollywood screen shot of him and the Pharaoh Moses's God defeated in the supposed flight from slavery in Egypt to the 'Promised Land'".
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Long time no ear Bonampak, White people have to stop stealing black history and erased black people from history. In 2013 they are still teaching lie in their school that the Egyptian, Roman and Greek civilizations were white civilization. Egypt was a black civilization, Greece and Rome were multi racial civilizations created by black people.
White people can claim descent from black civilization by saying they are the pale and albino children of black. They don't have to erased black from history and steal their history.
Making a movie portraying black Egyptian God as white is wrong. Like the article states its like making a movie with Chinese Roman Gods. Movies have to be accurate because they influence a larger number of the world population, they influence more people then books. USA and EU movies are white people propaganda that showed the Egyptians, Romans, Greek, Arabs as white people.
God Osiris/Ausar/Wesir nickname Kem Wor meaning the great black.
Goddess Isis/Aset nickname Set Kem the black woman.
Black Isis
Temple of Isis on the Nile river, Egypt
Temple of Isis in Pompey, Italy.
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Reactions are just fine but the problem will not go away until there is an aggressive "proactivity".
FESPACO--the Panafrican film festival--takes place in Ouagadougou(Burkina Faso) every 2 years and usually hosts films of some intellectual quality. Films by cineastes such as Souleymane Cisse, Med Hondo, Ousmane Sembene are in, those of "African Magic" are out.
It is films such as the one in the making by Australian[Australia's population is 22 million] producer, Alex Proyas, that African cineastes should be working on. But they haven't done one such yet.
It's always about money-even though some African governments and individuals have the money. Sad to say, FESPACO is funded mainly with French money. Again, ignorance and wrong priorities.
In the U.S. the film "The Butler" has AA Director Lee Daniels but has 41 producers. It was produced at the cost of $30 million and released by the Weinstein Company.
Would there be a similar interest in taking up a film such as the one proposed by Alex Proyas? How about "Akhenaten and Nefertiti"? Would the monied people go for it? If not, how is Proyas raising money for his film?
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lamin there is a certain amount of interest African Americans would wnat to see a black Egypt in a feature film. There's a small trend of people interested in Egypt. How about in Africa? How much interest is there in that? What historical African civilization/s is most popular with Africans? Or break it down by regions of Africa. Ancient Axum or Kush could also be interetsing for a movie
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Falcons have great visibility. That's the metaphors. What has that to do with some delusional Danish dude.
We've had many of these rubbish type of films, but in this day and age, it's kind of ridiculous.
For some funny reason you link a Danish dude to a ancient Egyptian Falcon deity. Suggesting what?
You are such a pathetic individual.
quote:The God Horus in the shape of a falcon
This amulet was probably made from a sheet of gold cut then stamped into shape. The precious metal, that the Egyptians equated with the flesh of the gods, was abundant in Nubia.
The amulet represents the god Horus in the form of a falcon, facing left (right on the photograph) and placed on a flat pedestal. He wears the double crown symbolizing the union of Upper and Lower Egypt. This type of object had prophylactic purposes. Such amulets were often placed on the mummy between the bandages.
The falcon, now tamed and very popular in the Middle East for his hunting skills, was considered the king of heaven by the Egyptians. Ancient texts mention that the enemy felt paralyzed before the pharaoh “like other birds are in the presence of a falcon”. It becomes a symbol of kingship in Egypt, as was the eagle, another predatory bird, for the civilizations of the northern Mediterranean. Gliding very high in the sky and closer to the sun, the falcon was also regarded as the incarnation of several deities. The most famous being named Horus. Under this name there existed several deities: the god of the sky who, associated with Re, becoming a sun god, and Horus the son of Isis and Osiris. He was also the protector of the pharaoh and the unifier of Egypt.
Horus was especially revered in Nubia where shrines and stelae were dedicated to him in no fewer than four local forms: Horus of Miâm, Baki, Buhen and Meha. Later, under Roman rule, Horus was featured in the form of a falcon-headed horseman known as “Legionary Horus”. It has become customary to consider the iconography of Christian saints riding horses which owes much to such a representation. A good example of Horus rider with his spear piercing a crocodile is in the Louvre Museum. The name of the god, ‘Hor’ in Egyptian, appears frequently in anthroponyms until Roman times.
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[quoye]lamin there is a certain amount of interest African Americans would wnat to see a black Egypt in a feature film. There's a small trend of people interested in Egypt. How about in Africa? How much interest is there in that? What historical African civilization/s is most popular with Africans? Or break it down by regions of Africa. Ancient Axum or Kush could also be interetsing for a movie [/quote]
Such an interest would be mainly among the small group of intellectuals in history and archeology.
Senegal would be first for that kind of interest given the influence of C.A. Diop and cineastes like Sembene. Then places like Mali, Ethiopia, and Zimbabwe--places where consciousness of African history is highest. Possibly South Africa, Ghana, and Egypt--again among intellectuals. But Egyptian intellectuals may not want the AEs to be portrayed too black.
For the average brainwashed Egyptian there is no real history before Islam--hence a film about pharaonic Egypt would not garner much interest.
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What historical civilization is most popular with Africans. People tend to know ethnic history more than general African history.
But in the Senegal, Mali, Guinea area Ancient Egypt and the Medieval African states of Ghana, Mali, and Songhay would be known by academics. In Ethiopia the history of Abyssinia would be known but Sudanese would be like Egyptians in that they would want to believe stupidly that history began with Islam.
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The africans in sudan who are not arabs,nubians,beja etc.. would be really interested in nubia and other civilizations in sudan. Even some arabs in sudan.
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Once again you Blacks show how big of hypocrites you are, I didn't seem to hear any complaining when a Black man was cast as a Nordic god in Thor now did I? How about The Rock as Hercules in the upcoming Hercules movie? How about a Puerto Rican X White mixed person as Conan in the Conan remake, hmmm still no problem there. How about Ahzeem (SP) in Robin Hood Prince Of Thieves (there was NO Ahzeem in the original Robin Hood Story), a character written in specifically for a Black character. Hypocrites Hypocrites Hypocrites, what is good for the goose is good for the gander hehehehe, you can play a Nordic God,a Greek demi god, etc well we can play an Egyptian god, its all about equality right Blacks?
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: What historical civilization is most popular with Africans. People tend to know ethnic history more than general African history.
But in the Senegal, Mali, Guinea area Ancient Egypt and the Medieval African states of Ghana, Mali, and Songhay would be known by academics. In Ethiopia the history of Abyssinia would be known but Sudanese would be like Egyptians in that they would want to believe stupidly that history began with Islam.
The avreage person in Ameicas knows little history but if you make an action movie about ancient Greeks, Romans or Medieval knights it can be popular. Maybe there could be a market for an action historical movie for an African audience
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Once again you Blacks show how big of hypocrites you are, I didn't seem to hear any complaining when a Black man was cast as a Nordic god in Thor now did I? How about The Rock as Hercules in the upcoming Hercules movie? How about a Puerto Rican X White mixed person as Conan in the Conan remake, hmmm still no problem there. How about Ahzeem (SP) in Robin Hood Prince Of Thieves (there was NO Ahzeem in the original Robin Hood Story), a character written in specifically for a Black character. Hypocrites Hypocrites Hypocrites, what is good for the goose is good for the gander hehehehe, you can play a Nordic God,a Greek demi god, etc well we can play an Egyptian god, its all about equality right Blacks?
there's a long history in Hollywood of the skin tone portrayed in the movies as being lighter than most of the art. That history is longer and involves central characters. So a little token inclusiveness on the side you see now doesn't make up for it. On the other hand in this picture above there is some similarity in facial features. Thes fetures vary though in Egyptian art
________________________________________ Seti I
. Land of the Pharoahs 1955
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Once again you Blacks show how big of hypocrites you are, I didn't seem to hear any complaining when a Black man was cast as a Nordic god in Thor now did I? How about The Rock as Hercules in the upcoming Hercules movie? How about a Puerto Rican X White mixed person as Conan in the Conan remake, hmmm still no problem there. How about Ahzeem (SP) in Robin Hood Prince Of Thieves (there was NO Ahzeem in the original Robin Hood Story), a character written in specifically for a Black character. Hypocrites Hypocrites Hypocrites, what is good for the goose is good for the gander hehehehe, you can play a Nordic God,a Greek demi god, etc well we can play an Egyptian god, its all about equality right Blacks?
1) In the Irish annals the Black Vikings are called Dubh-Ghenti, or Black Gentiles. These Black Gentiles on some occasions fought against other plunderers of the Irish coasts known as the Fair Gentiles, who can hardly have been others than the fair Danes or Northmen. In the year 851 the Black Gentiles came to Athcliath i.e., Dublin.
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The Ivory Bangle Lady
The ivory bangle lady came from a group of graves excavated in 1901, on what would have been the approaches to the Roman city of Eboracum, modern York. The burials were dated to the second half of the fourth century AD, and many had rich grave goods.
She was buried with items including jet and elephant ivory bracelets, earrings, beads and a blue glass jug. She also had a rectangular piece of bone, which is thought to have originally been mounted in a wooden box, which was carved to read, "Hail, sister, may you live in God'.
Doxie dear - I'm really becoming embarrassed for you. Your willingness to believe Albino historical lies, and then repeating them, puts you in a class with lamin, do you really want that???
So please, in the future, check with me before making any more redneck comments.
Lioness, you DO understand that this is just a doll of no particular ethnicity or identity - Right??? I mean, you do know that GI Joe was not a "REAL" person. Check with Doxie to be sure she understands too!
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: What historical civilization is most popular with Africans. People tend to know ethnic history more than general African history.
But in the Senegal, Mali, Guinea area Ancient Egypt and the Medieval African states of Ghana, Mali, and Songhay would be known by academics. In Ethiopia the history of Abyssinia would be known but Sudanese would be like Egyptians in that they would want to believe stupidly that history began with Islam.
It doesn't matter, wherever Africans have civilization euronuts will try to steal it!
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Once again you Blacks show how big of hypocrites you are, I didn't seem to hear any complaining when a Black man was cast as a Nordic god in Thor now did I? How about The Rock as Hercules in the upcoming Hercules movie? How about a Puerto Rican X White mixed person as Conan in the Conan remake, hmmm still no problem there. How about Ahzeem (SP) in Robin Hood Prince Of Thieves (there was NO Ahzeem in the original Robin Hood Story), a character written in specifically for a Black character. Hypocrites Hypocrites Hypocrites, what is good for the goose is good for the gander hehehehe, you can play a Nordic God,a Greek demi god, etc well we can play an Egyptian god, its all about equality right Blacks?
there's a long history in Hollywood of the skin tone portrayed in the movies as being lighter than most of the art. That history is longer and involves central characters. So a little token inclusiveness on the side you see now doesn't make up for it. On the other hand in this picture above there is some similarity in facial features. Thes fetures vary though in Egyptian art
________________________________________ Seti I
. Land of the Pharoahs 1955
Stop stealing African heritage and culture. That Danish actor is in no shape or form close to Seti. You clown.
quote: In fact, in terms of body shape, the European and the Inuit samples tend to be cold-adapted and tend to be separated in multivariate space from the more tropically adapted Africans, especially those groups from south of the Sahara.
--Holliday TW, Hilton CE. (2010) Body proportions of circumpolar peoples as evidenced from skeletal data: Ipiutak and Tigara (Point Hope) versus Kodiak Island Inuit.
quote: African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley vary but they are still related. The people most related ethnically to the ancient Egyptians are other Africans like Nubians not cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics.
--Godde (2009)
quote: The dramatic variation in climate, diet, and exposure to infectious disease across the continent has also resulted in novel genetic and phenotypic adaptations in extant Africans.
--Sarah Tishkoff et al. (2010). The Evolution of Human Genetic and Phenotypic Variation in Africa
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Mike, why the heck would I check with your White people hating, Black racist butt for anything. Why would I check with you or any of your White people hating Black racist ilk for anything, like you would really tell me truth, particularly when it comes to the history of my people. You better believe I'd believe one of my White brothers before I'd ever believe one of your ilk.
Troll Patrol, I have NEVER claimed the Egyptians were White, on the contrary, I have repeatedly stated they were not. I was simply saying if Blacks can play Nordic Gods & Greek demi-gods then why shouldn't we be able to play an Egyptian god or are you trying to say that the Greeks & Nordic people were Black too LOL? So let me ask you this exactly what parts in your opinion would it be ok for White actors to play? What historical figures or peoples that is?
BTW, that question is also for the rest of the forum members too if they wish to answer. Mike? anyone else LOL?
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Mike, have you finally gone & lost it? What exactly are you trying to say with that pic?
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: So let me ask you this exactly what parts in your opinion would it be ok for White actors to play? What historical figures or peoples that is?
BTW, that question is also for the rest of the forum members too if they wish to answer. Mike? anyone else LOL?
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Mali you stinking perverted, disrespectful, little creep go take a big leap into the nearest fast flowing rapid filled river please, I don't do Black men. Also I wouldn't touch you even if you were White you sick repulsive little dirtbag. I'd much rather put my size 7 up your ass how would you like that creep?
Mike, answer the dang question, what in the heck are you trying to say with that pic?
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Troll Patrol, I have NEVER claimed the Egyptians were White, on the contrary, I have repeatedly stated they were not. I was simply saying if Blacks can play Nordic Gods & Greek demi-gods then why shouldn't we be able to play an Egyptian god or are you trying to say that the Greeks & Nordic people were Black too LOL? So let me ask you this exactly what parts in your opinion would it be ok for White actors to play? What historical figures or peoples that is?
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I am not sure why you are responding the way you do. But perhaps you logged in under the wrong account. I understand it can be confusing at times.
Nor did I claim do I claim Greeks are black, Or Nordics for that matter.
But it common knowledge that Greece was influenced by Africans and Asians. I hope you're not going to argue over this.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Mali you stinking perverted, disrespectful, little creep go take a big leap into the nearest fast flowing rapid filled river please, I don't do Black men. Also I wouldn't touch you even if you were White you sick repulsive little dirtbag. I'd much rather put my size 7 up your ass how would you like that creep?
Mike, answer the dang question, what in the heck are you trying to say with that pic?
Well, at least Mali asked you politely.
Considering your use of words you seem to be a "bad" girl. Stop frontin'.
That pic of a doll, by the lioness was funny too don't you think?
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: So let me ask you this exactly what parts in your opinion would it be ok for White actors to play? What historical figures or peoples that is?
BTW, that question is also for the rest of the forum members too if they wish to answer. Mike? anyone else LOL?
The image is from a site, which is blocking the original content.
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Bottom line, Europeans aren't the only ones who can make movies. If all Africans are going to do is complain and wine then there isn't much hope of this changing anytime soon. The people who make Hollywood movies are the same people who make up the majority of the target audience: European males. Therefore, they are going to make movies that appeal to these people, historically accurate or otherwise. But like I said, there is absolutely no reason for Africans not to be making their own films on their own gods and history. Last I checked most African films looked like grotesque imitations of the worst stereotypes from American culture.
quote: After spending much of the past decade with Jack Sparrow on the high seas, Geoffrey Rush is headed to warmer, drier climates in Gods of Egypt. The Oscar-winning actor will join Gerard Butler and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau in the Alex Proyas-directed fantasy, which follows a mortal who gets caught up in a dispute between deities. Hit the jump to find out whom they’ll be playing.
Proyas wrote the script with Burk Sharpless and Matt Sazama, who are behind Universal’s upcoming horror saga Dracula Untold. The story kicks off when the Egyptian god Set kills his brother, the underworld deity Osiris.
Osiris’ son Horus attempts to avenge his father by killing his uncle, but succeeds only in having his eyes plucked out. Still determined to stop the mad Set, Horus joins forces with the love goddess Hathor and a human thief who happens to be in love with a slave.
Butler will play Set, who in Egyptian mythology is the god of the desert, storms, and foreigners (thanks, Wikipedia!), while Coster-Waldau will play his nephew Horus. Rush has closed a deal to play sun god Ra, father of Set and Osiris — as well as Set’s real target.
That seems like an oddly Caucasian lineup for a movie about African gods, but as we’ve seen with Ridley Scott’s Exodus (among many other films), Hollywood considers Egypt to be part of Europe when it’s convenient for casting.
That issue aside, Rush, Butler, and Coster-Waldau should make for a fun team-up. Bonus points if Proyas makes them stick to the gods’ classical depictions: Horus and Ra are often portrayed with falcon heads, while Osiris traditionally has green skin.
Rush is probably best known these days for playing Captain Hector Barbossa in Disney’s Pirates of the Caribbean series, but he continues to mix it up with all kinds of roles. He was nominated for an Oscar in 2011 for his supporting turn in The King’s Speech, and could very well return to the awards circuit next year if his World War II drama The Book Thief takes off.
But in a sense, this is good. It shows everyone exactly how racist and biased hollywood is and how desperate white Europeans are to claim civilizations and cultures they had absolutely nothing to do with as their own. They are like spoiled brats in a playground doing it because they can. Pathetic really. So the next time they sit up here and claim some sort of "offense" at some actor/actress playing a role they don't feel is historically accurate, we can throw this in their face, along with all the other nonsense they have put on film.
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Troll Patrol, once again I only have one account not many like you are claiming. No I'm not gonna argue over the fact that Greece & Rome were influenced by Egypt because well its true. LOL, Lioness' pic of the doll was funny to you because you did not get what she was trying to say with that pic, I did though. No I'm not a bad girl, a tom boy yes bad girl no. I'm 34 yrs old still untouched by man by choice until I meet the right guy & get married, I don't partake of alcohol, & I don't do drugs of any kind (Well I do smoke cigarettes), I don't believe in cheating regardless of circumstance, how is that for bad LOL. However I will NOT abide by men making obscene profane comments to me. What the heck does any of those pics have to do with the question I asked which is simply what parts do Mike, You & the other forum members believe are appropriate for White actors to play? What historic figures or peoples do you think it would be ok for a White actor or actress to play? How hard is that question to answer?
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