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Map depicting the two major hypotheses of the spread of Indo-European languages (white arrows) and geographic distribution of the archaeological cultures described in the text. Credit: Wolfgang Haak, Author provided


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Europe is famously tesselated (having a checkered appearance), with different cultural and language groups clustering in different regions. But how did they all get there? And how are they related?

One way of answering these questions comes from digging up relics of the past. Europe has a rich archaeological record, ranging from periods well before the famous metal ages (i.e. copper, bronze and iron) to the recent adventures of the Romans, Vandals, Huns and Vikings.

Distinctive types of pottery and cultural practices associated with burials and settlements have been used to group the ancient populations into individual “archaeological cultures”. However, it hasn’t been clear whether there is a genetic basis for these group boundaries or whether they’re just cultural.

Another line of evidence to illuminate how various groups are related comes from their languages. There is the well known Indo-European language tree – ranging from Hindi to Russian to Spanish. But it’s also quite unclear how the languages spread to their present regions.

Now we have another layer of information to help us reveal the history of European peoples: DNA sequencing.

Along with our colleagues, we have been using genome sequencing technology to analyse the vast array of ancient skeletons recovered from across Europe, ranging from the original hunter-gatherer inhabitants to the first farmers who appear around 8,000 years ago, and right up to the early Bronze Age 3,500 years ago.

The genetic results paint a fascinating picture, and were published in a recent series of papers in Nature and Science.
Third wave

What we have found is that, in addition to the original European hunter-gatherers and a heavy dose of Near Eastern farmers, we can now add a third major population: steppe pastoralists. These nomads appear to have “invaded” central Europe in a previously unknown wave during the early Bronze Age (about 4,500 years ago).

This event saw the introduction of two very significant new technologies to western Europe: domestic horses and the wheel. It also reveals the mysterious source for the Indo-European languages.

The genetic results have answered a number of contentious and long-standing questions in European history. The first big issue was whether the first farmers in Europe were hunter-gatherers who had learnt farming techniques from neighbours in southeast Europe, or did they instead come from the Near East, where farming was invented.

The genetic results are clear: farming was introduced widely across Europe in one or two rapid waves around 8,000 years ago by populations from the Near East -– effectively the very first skilled migrants.

At first the original hunter-gatherer populations appear to have retreated to the fringes of Europe: to Britain, Scandinavia and Finland. But the genetics show that within a few thousand years they had returned, and significant amounts of hunter-gatherer genomic DNA was mixed in with the farmers 7,000 to 5,000 years ago across many parts of Europe.

But there was still a major outstanding mystery. Apart from these two groups, the genomic signals clearly showed that a third -– previously unsuspected – large contribution had been made sometime before the Iron Age, around 2,000 years ago. But by whom?

We have finally been able to identify the mystery culprit, using a clever new system invented by our colleagues at Harvard University.

Instead of sequencing the entire genome from a very small number of well preserved skeletons, we analysed 400,000 small genetic markers right across the genome. This made it possible to rapidly survey large numbers of skeletons from all across Europe and Eurasia.

This process revealed the solution to the mystery. Our survey showed that skeletons of the Yamnaya culture from the Russian/Ukrainian grasslands north of the Black Sea, buried in large mounds known as kurgans, turned out to be the genetic source we were missing.

This group of pastoralists, with domestic horses and oxen-drawn wheeled carts, appear to be responsible for up to 75% of the genomic DNA seen in central European cultures 4,500 years ago, known as the Corded Ware Culture. This must have represented a major wave of people, along with all their cultural and technological baggage.
Speaking tongues

This discovery also answered another major archaeological conundrum: who or what was the source of the Indo-European language family, which is wide-spread across Eurasia and the world, and includes English, Spanish, French, Greek, Russian and Hindu?

Archaeologists had two major hypotheses: the language family came with either the invading Near East farming wave more than 8,000 years ago, or some form of steppe population sometime much later. Evidence in support of the first hypothesis was the large scale cultural turnover evident with farming.

The second hypothesis was supported by linguistic evidence of common words across Indo-European languages for things like wheeled vehicles and transport that would match the economy and toolkit of the steppe herders.

Our new genomic data finally provides a smoking gun – or a wheeled cart in this case – as the missing evidence of a major cultural contribution from the steppe in the early Bronze Age. While we can’t definitively prove that the Yamnaya were the first to introduce Indo-European language to Europe, the size of the genetic input suggests that it brought at least major parts, if not the whole thing.

So for those of us with European heritage, the next time you see an oxen-drawn cart, or a domestic horse, think “that’s my heritage”, along with a good chunk of hunter-gatherer and a firm base of early farmer.


http://theconversation.com/european-invasion-dna-reveals-the-origins-of-modern-europeans-38096

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
This group of pastoralists, with domestic horses and oxen-drawn wheeled carts, appear to be responsible for up to 75% of the genomic DNA seen in central European cultures 4,500 years ago, known as the Corded Ware Culture. This must have represented a major wave of people, along with all their cultural and technological baggage.
Speaking tongues

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"75% of the genomic DNA seen in central European cultures 4,500 years ago"

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I swear, Albinos can't NOT LIE!
No matter how hard they try.

Above, the Albinos are clearly trying to undo some of their earlier historical lies. But as usual, they can't help lying about something.

TIME TO PUT ON YOUR THINKING CAPS!

Okay then, imagine this:

Illiterate NOMADIC Albinos from Central Asia:
Making pottery LIKE THIS!!!

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And having Skeletons which look like THIS!!!!


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^So while I appreciate Wolfgang Haak and Alan Cooper admitting that Albino Europeans came from the Eurasian Steppes (another name for Central Asia): and even more so for also admitting that they are a MIXED RACE (derived from Albinos - unsaid), which will piss Doxie off. Still, the fact that they could not resist some lying troubles me for the future of honest history.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:

Credit: Wolfgang Haak, Author provided


What we have found is that, in addition to the original European hunter-gatherers and a heavy dose of Near Eastern farmers, we can now add a third major population: steppe pastoralists. These nomads appear to have “invaded” central Europe in a previously unknown wave during the early Bronze Age (about 4,500 years ago).


So for those of us with European heritage, the next time you see an oxen-drawn cart, or a domestic horse, think “that’s my heritage”, along with a good chunk of hunter-gatherer and a firm base of early farmer.


http://theconversation.com/european-invasion-dna-reveals-the-origins-of-modern-europeans-38096 [/QB]

Here is the primary research paper link of Iosef Lazridis, Wolfgang Haak et al.

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/02/10/013433

Massive migration from the steppe is a source for Indo-European languages in Europe

Wolfgang Haak , Iosif Lazaridis

Abstract

We generated genome-wide data from 69 Europeans who lived between 8,000-3,000 years ago by enriching ancient DNA libraries for a target set of almost four hundred thousand polymorphisms. Enrichment of these positions decreases the sequencing required for genome-wide ancient DNA analysis by a median of around 250-fold, allowing us to study an order of magnitude more individuals than previous studies and to obtain new insights about the past. We show that the populations of western and far eastern Europe followed opposite trajectories between 8,000-5,000 years ago. At the beginning of the Neolithic period in Europe, ~8,000-7,000 years ago, closely related groups of early farmers appeared in Germany, Hungary, and Spain, different from indigenous hunter-gatherers, whereas Russia was inhabited by a distinctive population of hunter-gatherers with high affinity to a ~24,000 year old Siberian6. By ~6,000-5,000 years ago, a resurgence of hunter-gatherer ancestry had occurred throughout much of Europe, but in Russia, the Yamnaya steppe herders of this time were descended not only from the preceding eastern European hunter-gatherers, but from a population of Near Eastern ancestry. Western and Eastern Europe came into contact ~4,500 years ago, as the Late Neolithic Corded Ware people from Germany traced ~3/4 of their ancestry to the Yamnaya, documenting a massive migration into the heartland of Europe from its eastern periphery. This steppe ancestry persisted in all sampled central Europeans until at least ~3,000 years ago, and is ubiquitous in present-day Europeans. These results provide support for the theory of a steppe origin of at least some of the Indo-European languages of Europe.

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European Russia (South) (3500 BC – 2000 BC)
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:

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And having Skeletons which look like THIS!!!!


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the skeletons look European but for some reason Mike has written a false yellow caption here saying "Black husband and wife"
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Skeletons found in Europe are
most likely to be of Europeans
but it takes more than a simple
fact to determine what their
race was.


What morphometric values do
either Mike or the Lioness
provide in support of either
a black or white declaration
of the skulls identity?

Previously Mike conclusively
showed mandibular prognathism
a white trait but now overrides
that saying the above skull with
such is black.


Any way the wind blows?

  • from Mike111

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    Mandibular prognathism (MP) is a common clinical problem all over the world. However, its prevalence varies relative to populations: the highest incidence has been observed in Asian populations (approximately 15%) and the lowest in Caucasian populations (1%).

    (A note here: If Mandibular prognathism is "RARE" in Albinos: THEN WHY ARE SO MANY SURGERIES DONE)?



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^Sooooo, all Blacks (or Whites) must be or must NOT be prognathic? Can't be some are and some aren't.

Hmmm, interesting concept.

(For a two year old).

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Anyway, for more serious matters:

I am contemplating how best to torment our diva of Whiteness - Doxie, with this thread material.

I was thinking of something along the lines:
nah nah-nah-nah-nah-nah Doxie ain't WHITE, she's a MUTT!!!

With a chorus of:

Doxie is a Mutt:

Doxie is a Mutt.

Any musical thoughts?

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where's the paper tiger who was supposed to ide March?
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^Sooooo, all Blacks (or Whites) must be or must NOT be prognathic? Can't be some are and some aren't.

Hmmm, interesting concept.

(For a two year old).

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^ So YOU say.


All people fall into some gnathic form whether

* pro - gnathic (maxillary, alveolar, or mandibular)
* ortho - gnathic
* retro - gnathic

So I say.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tukuler:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^Sooooo, all Blacks (or Whites) must be or must NOT be prognathic? Can't be some are and some aren't.

Hmmm, interesting concept.

(For a two year old).

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^ So YOU say.


All people fall into some gnathic form whether

* pro - gnathic (maxillary, alveolar, or mandibular)

* ortho - gnathic
* retro - gnathic

So I say.

* pro - gnathic (maxillary, alveolar, or mandibular): (Definition of PROGNATHISM: the condition marked by a prognathous jaw).


* ortho - gnathic - (Definition of ORTHOGNATHIC
: correcting deformities of the jaw and the associated malocclusion (A malocclusion is a misalignment or incorrect relation between the teeth of the two dental arches when they approach each other as the jaws close).



* retro - gnathic (Definition of RETROGNATHISM - : a condition characterized by recession of one or both of the jaws).

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So then, NOBODY HAS A "NORMAL" JAW!!!!


He,he,he,he:


Okay then, please point-out the defect in these peoples Jaws.



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Mike

I don't run where you point
nor answer your strawmen.
You run run run from my
direct hotseat questioning
of the skull's racial ID
and your own flipflopping
on maxillary prognathism
as 'Albino' but now of a
sudden conclusively 'Melano'.


All you did was after looking
at an Africans' postulation of
Grimaldi skeletons as blacks
and applying it to a similar
photo of European skeletons.


The stupid African that Mike ripped off.

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Imagine that, Mike stole from and hid
the source, an "abject stupid" "unable
to understand evidence" African, for his
machination.

So in Mike's mind any two skeletons
buried in similar approximate position
found in Europe must also be blacks
without any consideration of the
cranial measurements or the cranial
morphometrics or post cranial limb
proportions.

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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one can't assume this to be a Habsburg jaw ^^^

The whole front part of the skull is broken out and the postion of the jaw in relation to the skull is merely where it was as found at the site, the separate jaw bone laying in some position close to the rest of the skull.

In other words when the flesh rots away these allignments change as well as the intervention of the excavation. Plus the photo is poor and there is no frontal view.

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^^^ Look at the prognothis of the African skull


wrong, I fooled you. The skull is a reproduction at Bones Clones and...
http://www.boneclones.com/BC-133.htm

It is supposed to be an average European skull and is labeled
Human Female European Skull

So to the untrained eye even many European skulls can look "kinda" progothic

The point is Mike is a propagandist and he uses Egyptsearch to promote it
Once he takes a picture such as the one above of ancient Eulau remains and puts a false claim caption under it and posts on his website the concept is permanent

It doesn't matter how many times such fraudulant captions are debunked or called into question
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^^^fake

regardless, a month later he will post the same thing

His aim is to distort history for political purposes

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2587582/
The 4,600-year-old graves contained groups of adults and children buried facing each other.
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One burial (grave 99) (see Fig. 2), consisting of male and female adult individuals and two children facing each other in pairs, was shown to contain a nuclear family. The woman (ind. 1) and both children (inds. 2 and 4) share the same mtDNA haplogroup K1b.

^^^^ Individual 4 as noted is the child lower left

Now the same two individuals in Mike's version, turned right side up (corresponding to the other picture Individuals 4 and 3)
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^^^^ So Mike has an additional thing wrong in his caption. He is calling IND 4 a wife when in fact it's a boy child facing his father


Will he ever correct it on realhistoryww ?

No

Will he ever correct it here on Egyptsearch ?

No



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Tukular used to ignore Mike and stay in Egyptology forum
Likewise Mike, for a long while has basicaly stayed in AE forum

What happened? Now Tukular's over here

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Mike if indigenopus European blacks looked exactly the same as African blacks how can you scientically distinguish them?
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Tukular used to ignore Mike and stay in Egyptology forum
Likewise Mike, for a long while has basicaly stayed in AE forum

What happened? Now Tukular's over here

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Any registered member can post to
any of the ES forums they please.
There is no limiting any poster to
any single forum.

ES was known for the insights from
the vanished vets of the original
Ancient Egypt & Egyptology forum
and the site was known worldwide
for that. Now surfers are mistaking
AE for the "spirit of EgyptSearch"
because of Mikee111's hi-jacking
it as if it's his private forum
or blog for his FakedHistory
website.

My mistake was to follow the now
gone vets and ignore the reactionary
material on AE. That allowed it to
fester and grow instead of proving
all that **** is bullshit that its
authors cannot defend in rational
conversation that critically
examines it.

When that happens they always behave
like a child hurling vindictives and
epithets or anything but a reasoned
calm reply backed with supporting
references quotes and sources.

However the intellectual level of
some readers is below that or what's
more likely true of them is that they
emotionally gravitate to what makes
them feel good or fuels their passion
of Euro "penis envy" and get back for
wrongs Euros still perpetrate against
blacks and Africans.

THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'M TELLING
YOU PLEASE SPELL MY NAME CORRECTLY

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