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Does anybody know where I can find some documents or a list of every single tribe that was sold into slavery during the trans-atlantic slave trade?
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quote:Originally posted by MansaZevulun: Does anybody know where I can find some documents or a list of every single tribe that was sold into slavery during the trans-atlantic slave trade?
That would be easy because there is virtually no tribe in Africa that was not effected by the Atlantic slave tribe. People came to America all the way from Madagascar and India during that period.lol!
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"Tribe" is such a value-laden term that it shouldn't be used in objective analysis. For Europe tiny groups like the Basques, Roma, Welsh, Sami, Bretons, Flemish, Walloons, etc. are never referred to as "tribes". One can use many more neutral alternatives. In sum, "tribe" is such a Eurocentric term.
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^A "Tribe" is also a political entity, and often an evolved extended family. Ethnic group does not cover those aspects.
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^He,he,he; I had to chuckle at how the Albino mans influence has some, denying the obvious, just to avoid a stigma entirely created by the Albino man, for just such a purpose.
Basques, Roma, Welsh, Sami, Bretons, Flemish, Walloons, etc. are "TRIBES" they are not racially or ethnically any different than their larger group. Their differences are entirely localized.
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quote:Originally posted by MansaZevulun: Anybody have a list or documents?
I don't think anybody's made up a single list yet because of what I said, although there were documents with names of tribes mentioned, and they were not always keeping track of what people were coming from which region. We just know already from documents that people came from all parts of Africa. Most groups came through West Africa from the area stretching Senegambia to the Trarza Moor Emirates, and then from southern Africa.
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quote:"Tribe" is also a political entity, and often an evolved extended family. Ethnic group does not cover those aspects.
Wrong. An "evolved extended family"[your talk] would be a "clan". Clans are usually no more than 50-100 individuals.
In Africa a more neutral term for the Eurocentric term "tribe" would be ethnic group. You erroneously claim that ethnic groups are not political entities. They are.
And in Africa there are many very large ethnic groups whose members number over 20 million and they speak different dialects and practice different religions, etc. It is totally unfounded to use the racist and atavistic term "tribe" to describe such populations.
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quote:"Tribe" is also a political entity, and often an evolved extended family. Ethnic group does not cover those aspects.
Wrong. An "evolved extended family"[your talk] would be a "clan". Clans are usually no more than 50-100 individuals.
In Africa a more neutral term for the Eurocentric term "tribe" would be ethnic group. You erroneously claim that ethnic groups are not political entities. They are.
And in Africa there are many very large ethnic groups whose members number over 20 million and they speak different dialects and practice different religions, etc. It is totally unfounded to use the racist and atavistic term "tribe" to describe such populations.
Lamin - Thank you very much for correcting me - I had no idea I was so lacking in this area.
So that I do not remain ignorant forever, please inform me as to the leader of the following ethnic groups.
Turks Khazars (Jews - Turks but different) Czechs Poles Croats Serbs Visigoths
There are of course many more, but I don't want you to overload my poor ignorant mind.
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Umm... I didn't see the Hausa here who show up more than a few times in recent studies in black celebrities. Judge Glenda Hatchett being one of the more famous.
Umm... I didn't see the Hausa here who show up more than a few times in recent studies in black celebrities. Judge Glenda Hatchett being one of the more famous.
Where's the Igbos in this list??? A lot of black people in North America are of Igbo descent.
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We can guess that all ethnic groups that came into contact with European colonialists countries were eventually sold to slavery and eventually colonized by them.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: We can guess that all ethnic groups that came into contact with European colonialists countries were eventually sold to slavery and eventually colonized by them.
Not every tribe in Africa was enslaved. Compared to the rest of Africa, only a few tribes were enslaved.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: We can guess that all ethnic groups that came into contact with European colonialists countries were eventually sold to slavery and eventually colonized by them.
Not every tribe in Africa was enslaved. Compared to the rest of Africa, only a few tribes were enslaved.
Please list a few tribes that were never enslaved
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^A "Tribe" is also a political entity, and often an evolved extended family. Ethnic group does not cover those aspects.
Correct. This means that all those groups of people in Africa people in the West speak of or refer to are not 'tribes' at all but ethnic groups who once had their own nations.
To answer the topic question. There were no actual 'tribes' who were sold into slavery because the only Africans that used the tribal system are located in rural East Africa and North Africa which were not sold as slaves into America. At least not that I know of.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: We can guess that all ethnic groups that came into contact with European colonialists countries were eventually sold to slavery and eventually colonized by them.
Not every tribe in Africa was enslaved. Compared to the rest of Africa, only a few tribes were enslaved.
I said every tribe that *came into contact* with European imperialists (before it was abolished that is). Usually along the coast.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: We can guess that all ethnic groups that came into contact with European colonialists countries were eventually sold to slavery and eventually colonized by them.
Not every tribe in Africa was enslaved. Compared to the rest of Africa, only a few tribes were enslaved.
Please list a few tribes that were never enslaved
I don't even have to do that. What makes you believe that every tribe in Africa was enslaved???
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Umm... I didn't see the Hausa here who show up more than a few times in recent studies in black celebrities. Judge Glenda Hatchett being one of the more famous.
Where's the Igbos in this list??? A lot of black people in North America are of Igbo descent.
There are actually more than a few peoples missing from this list. like Watutsi and people from Madagascar. The real list includes peoples from all regions in Africa. And where did Estevanico come from. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: We can guess that all ethnic groups that came into contact with European colonialists countries were eventually sold to slavery and eventually colonized by them.
Not every tribe in Africa was enslaved. Compared to the rest of Africa, only a few tribes were enslaved.
"Few"? Never heard of that one.lol! Depends on what you mean by a few. Every major group in Africa was enslaved - of course different ethnic groups might be divided into hundreds of sub-tribes or clans.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: We can guess that all ethnic groups that came into contact with European colonialists countries were eventually sold to slavery and eventually colonized by them.
Not every tribe in Africa was enslaved. Compared to the rest of Africa, only a few tribes were enslaved.
"Few"? Never heard of that one.lol! Depends on what you mean by a few. Every major group in Africa was enslaved - of course different ethnic groups might be divided into hundreds of sub-tribes or clans.
If that's true then prove it, because that sounds far-fetched to me. Every tribe in Africa didn't get sold into slavery.
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Note that there was also people enslaved in Africa in the larger units. There was also enslavement in East Africa especially on the coast--as places like Zanzibar and Pemba show evidence of.
In general though slavery was a major universal practice--Europe, Asia, the Americas--before the advent of machines to reduce the reliance on captive labour for tasks ranging from the simple to the physically punishing.
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