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There are no doubt many who still refuse to believe that Europeans are merely the Albinos of Dravidians. For those we offer this bit of additional proof: (those with OCA1 and OCA2 are identical to Europeans)
European Reference Networks - Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases
Research Study:
Molecular genetic studies and delineation of the oculocutaneous albinism phenotype in the Pakistani population.
Oculocutaneous Albinism Type 1 (OCA1)
Novel TYR mutations and resulting OCA1 phenotypes. A. Electropherograms of amplimers from genomic DNA templates illustrating homozygosity for the substitution mutations found in the affected individuals of the families. Arrows indicate the site of the mutations. All of the mutations described here are numbered from the ATG start codon (GenBank NM_000372). B. Clustal W alignment of tyrosinase proteins from various species that shows the conservation of residues at positions 21, 35 and 411 among ten species. The conserved amino acids are shown with a dark gray background, and the nonconserved amino acids are shown with a white background. C. Photographs of ten OCA1 probands. The family number and the mutation identified in the TYR gene are given for each proband; some of the probands have used hair dyes.
Jaworek et al. Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases 2012 7:44 doi:10.1186/1750-1172-7-44
Oculocutaneous Albinism Type 2 (OCA2)
Novel OCA2 mutations and resulting OCA2 phenotypes. A.Electropherograms of amplimers from genomic DNA templates illustrating homozygosity for the substitution mutations found in the affected individuals of the families. Arrows indicate the site of the mutations. All mutations described here are numbered from the ATG start codon (GenBank NM_000275). B. Clustal W alignment of OCA2 proteins from various species shows conservation of the residues at positions 318, 486 and 527 among twelve species. The conserved amino acids are shown with a dark gray background, and the nonconserved amino acids are shown with a white background. C. Photographs of fourteen OCA2 probands. The family number and the mutation identified in the OCA2 gene are given for each proband; a number of the probands shown have used hair dyes.
Jaworek et al. Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases 2012 7:44 doi:10.1186/1750-1172-7-44
Genetic Studies of TYRP1 and SLC45A2 in Pakistani Patients with Nonsyndromic Oculocutaneous Albinism.
Mutant alleles of TYRP1and SLC45A2 segregating in four Pakistani families. Pedigrees of four multigenerational Pakistani families cosegregating recessive nonsyndromic oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) and mutant alleles of TYRP1 or SLC45A2. The filled and clear symbols represent affected and unaffected individuals, respectively. The double lines indicate consanguineous marriages. TYRP1 or SLC45A2 mutations segregating in these families are also indicated. Photographs of multiple affected individuals from each family are also shown. The numbers on the family pedigrees indicate individuals shown. All the individuals have given written consent to show their images. For several of the affected individuals, multiple photographs taken at different ages revealed no significant changes in the pigmentation of the hair, iris, or skin. Some of the affected individuals have used hair dyes.
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Does anyone remember this post from Quetzalcoatl in the "PaleoAmericans were Phenotypically Blacks or Negroes" (Page 3) thread?
quote:Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
As I have been pointing out, morphology is no longer a good way to trace descent. Naia may morphologically look African BUT her genes are Native American not African.
Comment: Morphology is a branch of biology dealing with the study of the form and structure of organisms and their specific structural features. This includes aspects of the outward appearance (shape, structure, colour, pattern,size), i.e., external morphology (eidonomy) as well as the form and structure of the internal parts like bones and organs
When Albinos get desperate, they will resort to anything - including telling you to believe THEM instead of "YOUR OWN LYING EYES": Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.
But in this case they get no solace, Indian genes are the same as European genes.
Haplogroup R (Y-DNA)
In human genetics, Haplogroup R is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup, a subgroup of haplogroup P, defined by the M207 mutation.
This haplogroup is believed to have arisen around 26,800 years ago, somewhere in Central Asia or South Asia, where its ancestor Haplogroup P is most often found at polymorphic frequencies. Cambridge University geneticist Kivisild et al. (2003) suggests that southern and western Asia might be the source of this haplogroup:
Given the geographic spread and STR diversities of sister clades R1 and R2, the latter of which is restricted to India, Pakistan, Iran, and southern central Asia, it is possible that southern and western Asia were the source for R1 and R1a differentiation.
The R haplogroup is common throughout Europe and western Asia and the Indian sub-continent, and in those whose ancestry is from within these regions. It also occurs in North and Sub-Saharan Africa. The distribution is markedly different for the two major subclades R1a and R1b.
Haplogroup R1a is typical in populations of Eastern Europe, Indian Subcontinent and parts of Central Asia. R1a has a significant presence in Northern Europe, Central Europe, Altaians and Iran as well as in Siberia. R1a can be found in low frequencies in the Middle East, mostly in Indo-European speakers or their descendants.
Haplogroup R1b predominates in Western Europe. R1b can be found at high frequency in Bashkortostan (Russia). R1b can be found at low frequency in Central Asia, Middle East, South Asia as well as North Africa. There is an isolated pocket of R1b in Sub Saharan Africa. In Europe, R1b coincides with areas of Celtic influence.
Background on Haplogroup "R"
Origins of Y-dna Haplogroup "R"
From Wikipedia:
According to the Genographic Project conducted by the National Geographic Society, Haplogroup R2a arose about 25,000 years ago in Central Asia and its members migrated southward as part of the second major wave of human migration into India.
According to Sengupta et al. (2006),
uncertainty neutralizes previous conclusions that the intrusion of HGs R1a1 and R2 [Now R-M124] from the northwest in Dravidian-speaking southern tribes is attributable to a single recent event. Rather, these HGs contain considerable demographic complexity, as implied by their high haplotype diversity. Specifically, they could have actually arrived in southern India from a southwestern Asian source region multiple times, with some episodes considerably earlier than others.
The following is Manoukian's (2006) summary of the findings of the Genographic Project conducted by the National Geographic Society and directed by Spencer Wells (2001):
Haplogroup R, the ancestral clade to R1 and R2, appeared on the Central Asian Steppes around 35,000 to 30,000 years ago.
R1, sister clade to R2, moved to the West (READ EUROPE) from the Central Asian Steppes around 35,000 to 30,000 years ago. R1 pockets were established, from where R1a and R1b emerged.
R2a [R-M124] made its first entry into the Indian sub-continent around 25,000 years ago. The routes taken are not clear, although the Indus and Ganges rivers are possible theories put forward. There could, of course, have been multiple immigrations of this haplogroup into the Indian sub-continent, both in the Paleolithic and the NeolithicPosts: 22721 | Registered: Oct 2005
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Eupedia.com Distribution of European Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups by region in percentage
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Haplogroup I
Haplogroup I is a branch of the mega-haplogroup F and its subsequent mega-haplogroup IJ. I originated approximately 25,000 years ago among the people of Eastern Africa and Southern Europe. As the ice receded after the last glacial maximum, it spread into Northern Europe.
Haplogroup G
Haplogroup G is a branch of the mega-haplogroup F. G originated approximately 25,000 years ago in Eastern Africa. Its branches have spread into Eurasia. Some branches moved across Southern Asia and from there to India. Others moved across the Mediterranean and into Europe.
Haplogroup J
Haplogroup J is a branch of the mega-haplogroup F and its subsequent mega-haplogroup IJ. J originated approximately 25,000 years ago in the Eastern Africa Levant. It has two main branches, J1 and J2. Both are found in Eastern African populations. It has also spread into Europe and the Indian subcontinent during the Bronze Age. J1 is the parent haplogroup of the Cohen Model Haplotype, CMH. (J2: Originated in the northern portion of the Fertile Crescent where it later spread throughout central Asia, the Mediterranean, and south into India. As with other populations with Mediterranean ancestry this lineage is found within Jewish populations.
Research note: Many people new to Genetic Genealogy think the J2 haplogroup is synonymous with having male Jewish ancestry. One should note that having a J2 haplogroup assignment does not necessarily indicate Jewish ancestry. The J2 haplogroup is far more ancient than the Jewish religion and is found in many lines with Mediterranean region ancient ancestry. Another relatively more recent mode for J2's entry into some parts of Europe from the Mediterranean areas could have been the Roman Legions and Roman settlements)
Haplogroup E
Haplogroup E is one of the two branches of the mega-haplogroup DE. It originated approximately 50,000 years ago. Scientists believe that it ether arose in Africa or represents a back migration.
Haplogroup T
Haplogroup T is a fairly rare lineage in Europe. It makes up only 1% of the population on most of the continent, except in Greece, Macedonia and Italy where it exceeds 4%, and in Iberia where it reaches 2.5%, peaking at 10% in Cadiz and over 15% in Ibiza. The maximal worldwide frequency for haplogroup T is observed in East Africa (Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania) and in the Middle East (especially the South Caucasus, southern Iraq, south-west Iran, Oman and southern Egypt), where it accounts for approximately 5 to 15% of the male lineages. Besides these regions and Europe, T is found in isolated pockets as far as Central Asia, India, Cameroon, Zambia and South Africa. Its highest density is actually found among the Fulani people of Cameroon (18% of the population).
Haplogroup Q
Haplogroup Q is one of two branches of the mega-haplogroup P. Q originated approximately 20,000 years ago in Central Asia. Its branches have migrated into both Europe and East Asia. Some of its branches took part in the settlement of the Americas. These branches make up the majority of pre-Columbian Amerindian populations. (Q3: The only lineage strictly associated with Native American populations. This haplogroup is defined by the presence of the M3 mutation (also known as SY103). This mutation occurred on the Q lineage 8-12 thousand years ago as the migration into the Americas was underway. There is some debate about which side of the Bering Strait this mutation occurred on, but it definitely happened in the ancestors of the Native American peoples)
Haplogroup N
Haplogroup N is a branch of the mega-haplogroup K. N originated approximately 10,000 years ago in Asia. Its branches have spread into East Asia and across Northern Europe.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: There are no doubt many who still refuse to believe that Europeans are merely the Albinos of Dravidians. For those we offer this bit of additional proof: (those with OCA1 and OCA2 are identical to Europeans)
European Reference Networks - Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases
Research Study:
Molecular genetic studies and delineation of the oculocutaneous albinism phenotype in the Pakistani population.
Oculocutaneous Albinism Type 1 (OCA1)
Novel TYR mutations and resulting OCA1 phenotypes. A. Electropherograms of amplimers from genomic DNA templates illustrating homozygosity for the substitution mutations found in the affected individuals of the families. Arrows indicate the site of the mutations. All of the mutations described here are numbered from the ATG start codon (GenBank NM_000372). B. Clustal W alignment of tyrosinase proteins from various species that shows the conservation of residues at positions 21, 35 and 411 among ten species. The conserved amino acids are shown with a dark gray background, and the nonconserved amino acids are shown with a white background. C. Photographs of ten OCA1 probands. The family number and the mutation identified in the TYR gene are given for each proband; some of the probands have used hair dyes.
Jaworek et al. Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases 2012 7:44 doi:10.1186/1750-1172-7-44
Oculocutaneous Albinism Type 2 (OCA2)
Novel OCA2 mutations and resulting OCA2 phenotypes. A.Electropherograms of amplimers from genomic DNA templates illustrating homozygosity for the substitution mutations found in the affected individuals of the families. Arrows indicate the site of the mutations. All mutations described here are numbered from the ATG start codon (GenBank NM_000275). B. Clustal W alignment of OCA2 proteins from various species shows conservation of the residues at positions 318, 486 and 527 among twelve species. The conserved amino acids are shown with a dark gray background, and the nonconserved amino acids are shown with a white background. C. Photographs of fourteen OCA2 probands. The family number and the mutation identified in the OCA2 gene are given for each proband; a number of the probands shown have used hair dyes.
Jaworek et al. Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases 2012 7:44 doi:10.1186/1750-1172-7-44
First-- you have to show that these people are Dravidians. I don't think so. The study was carried out on Punjabis. The Dravidian language in Pakistan is Brahui and is spoken primarily in Baluchistan not Punjab.
Second - you are wrong that the OCA mutations in these people are identical to European albinos.
Jaworek, T.J., et al 2012 “Molecular genetic studies and delineation of the oculocutaneous albinism phenotype in the Pakistani population,” Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases 7:44 doi:10.1186/1750-1172-7-44 http://www.ojrd.com/content/7/1/44
quote:In the cohort of Pakistani families segregating OCA studied here, fourteen out of forty families have mutations in OCA2. These results indicate that OCA2 is more prevalent than OCA1 in Pakistan in contrast to the Indian population [36,62]. Of the six distinct mutations in the OCA2 gene, three (p.Asp486Tyr, p.Leu527Arg, c.1045- 15 T > G) have not been found in any of the various ethnic populations analyzed to date; therefore, they may be specific to Pakistani albino individuals. Of the two known mutations, p.Pro743Leu was previously identified in individuals of Caucasian, African-American and European ancestry [37,63-65], whereas the second mutation, p.Ala787Thr, was initially identified in the Chinese population [66]. Another missense mutation, p.Ala787Val, affecting the same codon of the OCA2 gene as p.Ala787Thr,was also reported to cause oculocutaneous albinism [67], further confirming the necessity of the alanine residue at this position for proper OCA2 protein function.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^For my purposes: Dravidian encompass Pure (Black) Indians and the Brown (mostly Hindu) Mulattoes.
Black/Brown family members are in the background of this picture of the Bhatti of Pakistan.
As to the rest of your post:
Blah, Blah, Blah.
I will not waste my time with such minutia nonsense.
Like showing that you lied about "Dravidians" and Europeans having identical OCA2 mutations?
Dravidians refer to a language group not "Pure (Black) Indians and the Brown (mostly Hindu) Mulattoes." Shifting the goal posts categories become meaningless if too broad. Would Winters agree with your definition of Dravidian?
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Doxie can you see it?
Every European haplogroup is accounted for, and they all come from someplace else. Proving that the story of Indigenous White Europeans is a lie.
Please also note that your haplogroups all come from Black people in Asia or Africa!
Sooo then my Albino descendant:
Are you ready to call me "Uncle Mike"?
As soon as I wrote that, the thought occurred to me: Why did Antebellum Slave owning families refer to mature Black household slaves as "Uncle this and Aunt that"?
. Next to Father and Mother, Uncle and Aunt are the most important and prestigious family titles.
So why were these vile, supposedly racists, slave owners calling their slaves by such respectful titles?
This is an advertisement dating from around 1893 for Aunt Jemima Pancake Mix. This product was created in 1889 by Charles Rutt and Charles Underwood, but was later sold in 1890 to R.T. Davis Milling Company. The idea for the name came from a black face minstrel show which Rutt attended. A performer sang “Aunt Jemima” with an apron, headscarf and black face on. Rutt decided to use the name due to the song’s popularity and the reflection of the southern mammy it brought up. 1893 was also the year R.T. Davis hired Nancy Green, a former slave, to be the icon for the mix in an effort to launch a campaign.
The woman in the image reflects the sterotypical ideal for an African American cook or “mammy.” She has a bandana on her head, over pronounced lips and nose, and a wide grin on her face. This image is a throw back to the “happy slave” ideal in which the cook made delicious breakfasts along with warm and jolly smile. This would largely appeal to whites in the upper and middle classes. It reflected the common thought that slave women were typically fat, loyal and contantly laughing “mammy” types whose sole purpose was to provide their white family with hearty meals and adoration. This is the image the Aunt Jemima ads achieved.
Marquette recounts that the actor playing Aunt Jemima wore an apron and kerchief, and Rutt appropriated this Aunt Jemima character to market the Pearl Milling Company pancake mix in late 1889 after viewing a minstrel show.[3][5] However, Rutt and Underwood were unable to make the project work, so they sold their company to the Randolph Truett Davis Milling Company in St. Joseph, Missouri, in 1890. The R. T. Davis Milling Company hired former slave Nancy Green as a spokesperson for the Aunt Jemima pancake mix in 1890.[1] Nancy Green was born in Montgomery County, Kentucky, and played the Jemima character from 1890 until her death on September 23, 1923. As Jemima, Green operated a pancake-cooking display at the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago, Illinois, USA in 1893, appearing beside the "world's largest flour barrel". From this point on, marketing materials for the line of products centered around the stereotypical mammy archetype, including the Aunt Jemima marketing slogan first used at the World Fair: "I's in Town, Honey".[4] Anna Julia Cooper used the World's Columbian Exposition as an opportunity to address how young African American women were being exploited by white men.[6] She predicted the appeal of Aunt Jemima and the southern domestic ideal and went on to describe the north's fascination with southern traditions as part of America’s “unwritten history”.[6] Progressive African American women post emancipation saw Aunt Jemima’s image as a setback that inspired a regression in race relations.
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Uncle Ben’s products carry the image of an elderly African-American man dressed in a bow tie, said to have been the visage of a Chicago maître d’hôtel named Frank Brown.[11] According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle Ben’s as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.[12] "Uncle" was a common appellation used in the Southern United States to refer to older male Black slaves or servants.[11]
This strong ad support would become something of a stumbling block in later years, when many consumers rejected the use of stereotypical images of African Americans in advertising. Such advertising icons as Aunt Jemima, Cream of Wheat's Rastus, and Uncle Ben came under fire, and some were even revised to accommodate modern tastes. While his portrait remained unchanged, Uncle Ben shrunk down over the years from a full-sized image that took up the entire box front to a small oval at the top. In fact, the portrait disappeared from the box in the 1980s. Some observers cast this move as a reaction to consumer protests, but the company asserted that it was merely a marketing maneuver in preparation for a brand extension. The image was eventually reinstated, and remained a brand logo into the late 1990s.
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The original boxes of Cream of Wheat were handmade and lettered, and emblazoned with the image of an African-American chef produced by Emery Mapes. The character was named Rastus, and was developed by artist Edward V. Brewer. Rastus was included on all boxes and advertisements and continues to be used today with only very slight changes. A stereotypical African-American "Uncle Tom," based on deliberate misinterpretations of Uncle Tom's Cabin that ignored how obdurate, rather than obsequious, its main character was actually shown to be in the novel, was fairly common for U.S. commercial brands at the time of the cereal's creation. (For other examples, see Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben.) It has long been thought that a chef named Frank L. White was the model for the chef shown on the Cream of Wheat box. White, who died in 1938 and is buried in Woodlawn Cemetery in Leslie, Michigan, had claimed to be the model for the Cream of Wheat box. In June of 2007, a headstone was erected for Mr. White. The headstone contains his name and an etching taken from the man depicted on the Cream of Wheat box.[10]
The company took its current name and brand identity from the tale of a Texan who was renowned for his award-winning rice. The story goes that "Uncle Ben," a black farmer, grew rice so good that other farmers used it as a standard of excellence. Since the "real" Uncle Ben had long since died, Harwell asked Frank Brown, maitre d' of a Chicago restaurant, to pose as the character. Brown's beaming, bow-tied, visage became the company logo. This little-known event has been designated a milestone in the history of advertising, constituting the first time a raw commodity was given a brand name. Harwell registered not only the name but also the term "converted" as corporate trademarks. Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
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No they are NOT White. I'm not an Albino, nor am I a descendant of Albinos or Blacks. You aint my uncle & are not deserving of being called so either as I despise your wicked, evil Black supremacist arse.
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The issue is the prefix's "Uncle and Aunt" attached to Slaves, not some commercial products you stupid Bitch.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike,
No they are NOT White. I'm not an Albino, nor am I a descendant of Albinos or Blacks. You aint my uncle & are not deserving of being called so either as I despise your wicked, evil Black supremacist arse.
Arse? My aren't we proper.
But okay, I'll keep trying to prove that I'm your Uncle.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Doxie can you see it?
Every European haplogroup is accounted for, and they all come from someplace else. Proving that the story of Indigenous White Europeans is a lie.
Please also note that your haplogroups all come from Black people in Asia or Africa!
Sooo then my Albino descendant:
Are you ready to call me "Uncle Mike"?
As soon as I wrote that, the thought occurred to me: Why did Antebellum Slave owning families refer to mature Black household slaves as "Uncle this and Aunt that"?
. Next to Father and Mother, Uncle and Aunt are the most important and prestigious family titles.
So why were these vile, supposedly racists, slave owners calling their slaves by such respectful titles?
Doxie?
These terms were given to "house Negroes" who lived in the plantation owners homes and had close relations with the family in order to create the illusion of civility in the household (as opposed to the naked oppression in the field).
Similarly "Mammy"
A mammy or mammie is a Southern United States archetype for a black woman who worked as a nanny and/or general housekeeper that, often in a white family, nursed the family's children. The word "mammie" is a variant on the word mamma (momma, "mom"), and roughly means "mommy" in Dutch.
The background to the Mammy figure was the history of slavery in the United States. African American female slaves were tasked with the duties of domestic workers in White American households. Their duties included preparing meals, cleaning homes, and nursing and rearing their owners' children. The homeowners depended on them. Out of these circumstances arose the image of the mammy. [5] While originating in the slavery period, the mammy figure rose to prominence during the Reconstruction Era. In the Southern United States, the mammy played a role in historical revisionism efforts to reinterpret and legitimize their legacy of chattel slavery and racial oppression. The mammy image endured there to the 20th century. In 1923, the United Daughters of the Confederacy proposed the erection of a mammy statue on National Mall. The proposed statue would be dedicated to "The Black Mammy of the South".
Sister Citizen: Shame, Stereotypes, and Black Women in America (2011) by Melissa Harris-Perry describes the relationship between the mammy and other African Americans: "Mammy was not a protector or defender of black children or communities. She represented a maternal ideal, but not in caring for her own children. Her love, doting, advice, correction, and supervision were reserved exclusively for white women and children.
When the mammy did not stay in the house of her master or was not busy attending to the needs of the master's children, she would usually live in a cabin that was distinguished differently than the cabins of the other servants in either size or structure with her husband and children. Her cabin stood near the master's house but at a distance from the cabins of the other servants.[6] Although the duties were far less tiring and strenuous than those of the other servants, her hours were often long, leaving little time for her own leisure. It was not until the mammy had become too old for these duties that she would enjoy any home life of her own, since she was always preoccupied with the home life of her master. There was a flexibility about the mammy's duties that distinguished her from just being an ordinary nurse or a wet nurse, even though there was a possibility that she could perform either of these tasks. In some of the more wealthy households, the mammy had assistants that would help her take care of the household's children. These women were often much younger than the mammy herself.[6] The mammy, unlike the other servants, was usually not up for sale, and the children of the mammy would be kept in the same family for as long as possible, retaining the same relationships that the mammy had with the master.[6] Roles in plantation households[edit] The role of the mammy in plantation households grew out of the roles of African American slaves on the plantation. African American servants played vital roles in the plantation household. The majority of these duties generally were related to caring for the children of the family, thus relieving the mistress of the house of all the drudgery work that is associated with child care. When the children had grown up and were able to take care of themselves properly, the mammy's main role was to help the mistress with household tasks. As her years of service with the family increased, the mammy's sphere of influence increased as well. She was next to the mistress in authority and had the ability to give orders to everybody in the house.[6] The mammy was often considered to be part of the family as much as its blood members were considered. Although she was considered of a lower status, she was still included in the inner circle. She has often been referred to as a "unique type of foster motherhood." Aside from just tending to the needs of the children, the mammy was also responsible for teaching the proper etiquette to them, such as addressing the elders on the plantation as "aunt" or "uncle", as well as what was best to say on a particular occasion and what was not. The mammy was able to discipline their children whenever they performed something undesirable and was able to retain their respect towards her, even after the children had grown to adults.
Most female house slaves were called either Mammy or Aunt. Each “title” had different connotations. The mammy took care of the household chores, while the Aunt was the cook. For male house slaves, "uncle" was used
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike,
No they are NOT White. I'm not an Albino, nor am I a descendant of Albinos or Blacks. You aint my uncle & are not deserving of being called so either as I despise your wicked, evil Black supremacist arse.
Doxie dear, not doubting you for a minute, but could you be a bit more specific as to WHY they're not White?
I mean they LOOK exactly like Europeans.
They have the same GENES as Europeans.
They speak a INDIAN/EUROPEAN (Indo-european) LANGUAGE.
Hell, they might even SMELL like Europeans.
So what's the difference?
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: [qb] Mike,
No they are NOT White. I'm not an Albino, nor am I a descendant of Albinos or Blacks. You aint my uncle & are not deserving of being called so either as I despise your wicked, evil Black supremacist arse.
Doxie dear, not doubting you for a minute, but could you be a bit more specific as to WHY they're not White?
I mean they LOOK exactly like Europeans.
They have the same GENES as Europeans.
Mike is profoundly stupid
Indian people of all types have very different maternal (mtDNA) than do Europeans. Inidans of all types and Pakistanis have high frequencies of mtDNA Haplogroup M while Europeans have nearly none (exception Gypsies)
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Mike is profoundly stupid Indian people of all types have very different maternal (mtDNA) than do Europeans. Inidans of all types and Pakistanis have high frequencies of mtDNA Haplogroup M while Europeans have nearly none (exception Gypsies)
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THE TWO MAIN Mtdna HAPLOGROUPS OF EUROPE ARE (H) and (U), see table above. .
Haplogroup H
Haplogroup H is a human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup that likely originated in Southwest Asia 20,000-25,000 years Before Present.
Mitochondrial haplogroup H is a predominantly European haplogroup that originated outside of Europe before the last glacial maximum (LGM). It first expanded in the northern Near East and southern Caucasus between 33,000 and 26,000 years ago, and later migrations from Iberia suggest it reached Europe before the LGM. It has also spread to Siberia and Inner Asia. Today, about 40% of all mitochondrial lineages in Europe are classified as haplogroup H.
Haplogroup U
Haplogroup U is a human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup whose subgroups are widely distributed across Western Eurasia, North Africa, and South Asia.
Haplogroup U descends from a woman in the Haplogroup R (mtDNA) branch of the phylogenetic tree, who lived around 55,000 years ago.
Haplogroup U is found in 15% of Indian caste and 8% of Indian tribal populations. Haplogroup U is found in approximately 11% of native Europeans and is held as the oldest maternal haplogroup found in that region. In a 2013 study, all but one of the ancient modern human sequences from Europe belonged to maternal haplogroup U, thus confirming previous findings that haplogroup U was the dominant type of Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) in Europe before the spread of agriculture into Europe.
Haplogroup U is subdivided into Haplogroups U1-U9. Haplogroup K is a subclade of U8. The old age has led to a wide distribution of the descendant subgroups across Western Eurasia, North Africa, and South Asia.
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Lioness, I beg you, please stop posting. It seems that every time you do, you wind up lying or posting something stupid.
That forces me to put my foot up your ass once again. As you know, this type activity is not enjoyable to me, plus there is the issue of shoe cleanliness. Accordingly, please cease and desist immediately.
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Indian people of all types have very different maternal (mtDNA) than do Europeans. Indians of all types and Pakistanis have high frequencies of mtDNA Haplogroup M while Europeans have nearly none (exception Gypsies)
the fact that they have other maternal haplogroups which overlap Europeans does not change this, that Haplgroup M is the predominant group of maternal DNA of Indians including Dravidians. Again, massive fail for Mike on the genetic level
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike,
No they are NOT White. I'm not an Albino, nor am I a descendant of Albinos or Blacks. You aint my uncle & are not deserving of being called so either as I despise your wicked, evil Black supremacist arse.
Arse? My aren't we proper.
But okay, I'll keep trying to prove that I'm your Uncle.
So according to the thread theme modern Europeans are indeed albino Dravidians.
So now Mike is going to prove to Doxies he's her Dravidian Uncle
Mike, let's see this, you have the floor
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