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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] Why that would be the [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=010230]Baladi[/URL] Egyptians. Baladi in Arabic means 'of the country' or 'of the land' and is the name indigenous Egyptians use for themselves in contrast to the Arabs and other Afrangi (foreigners) who adopted the Egyptian national identity. You can look in the thread I cited to see examples of Baladi. You have Bohari (northern Egyptian) Baladi and Sa'idi (southern Egyptian) Baladi. Some Baladi, especially the Bohari have intermarried with foreigners but most still tend to be endogamous (marry amongst themselves). So the original ancient phenotype tends to be best preserved amongst them. They also preserve ancient customs and traditions that Arabs and other Afrangi find strange or bizarre but are customs that may very well be dynastic even predynastic in origin. Perhaps the biggest and most common mistake people make is to confuse Baladi for 'Copt'. Copt is more accurately used for the Christian denomination or church native to Egypt. Copts come in a range of phenotypes from white Greek looking types in Alexandria to Nubian looking ones in Aswan. Studies show that there is little genetic difference between Copts and Muslims of a given region. But Baladi regardless of religion don't marry outsiders and would even marry their own cousins before marrying Afrangi. The Baladi even today remain an underclass in Egyptian society and suffer many of the same racist stigma and stereotypes black minorities in other countries suffer. For example Baladi are stereotyped as being less intelligent and more hot-headed and violent. And yes, they are looked down on or mocked for their dark (black) skin. [/qb][/QUOTE]Good roundup. The "critique" of "Afrocentric" blackwashing is too often a propaganda tactic to avoid acknowledging the African heritage of Egypt. Quick deployment of the propaganda meme quickly closes off the discussion and "spins" it as that dreaded "Afrocentric" thing. We have seen it for literally decades on ES. Its like how too often honest discussion of Arab performance in various wars against Israel is sidetracked and diverted- such as the claim bout how "American pilots" were actually flying for Israel, and yeah, that explains the ass-kicking. The hypocrisy is seen too in how the part Sudanese president Anwar Sadat was treated by some modern Egyptians- i.e. the "black poodle." For many the modern Sadat was apparently "too" black, even though he was fulsome in his cultural identity with the Arab world. The point you raise should be emphasized again and again, dark skin is part of NATIVE Egyptian diversity. It is not "foreign." This of course is precisely what various propaganda tactics seek to avoid acknowledging or to divert attention from. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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