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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] I think its wrong to identify Proto-Berbers, or even Proto-Chadians (exclusively) with the Capsian culture. There were obviously lineages in Northern Africa that predate the onset of the Holocene. Why is Ehret making such rudimentary errors? The typical Berber paternal NRY marker E-M81, which may be used to identify their expansion into North Africa, originated less than 6000 years ago. -Afrasan speakers are NOT the original people of the wider Sahara. -Despite their language having commonalities with Semitic and Berber languages, the core of the Ancient Egyptian population was probably much more related to the indigenous Northeast African people, who predate those languages, and who may be exemplified by Nazlet Khater. Their ancestry probably had much more affinity with contemporary hunter gatherer Africans all over Sub Saharan Africa, than to ancestral Ethiopians and Somali's and Berber speakers, who seem to be in their own lane, with much of their ancestry being specific to the section of Africa they inhabit, and who are also partially descended from the OOA population(s). This relationship of Palaeolithic Egyptians to contemporary Sub Saharan Africans was not only shown skeletally by Pinhasi, but can also been seen in numerous other ways, such as the presence of severe cases of sickle cell in predynastic Egypt, blood type similarities with groups with Sub-Saharan affinity (Harratin) to dynastic Egyptians, and the latest evidence being stong alleles matches between Egyptians and groups literally all over Sub-Saharan Africa, from Pygmies, to San, and other groups who now reside below the equator. -During the Holocene, we get the migration of Proto-Afrasan people towards the Nile Valley, which is why we have their lineages and languages (Medjay, Ancient Egyptian, Berber) in Egypt, the Middle East and possibly all three languages in Ancient Sudan as well. These Holocenic demographic changes are what cause people to think that the core Egyptian population must have been genetically identical to Proto-Afrasan speakers, even though Neolithic Egyptians/Northern Sudanese display numerous signs of local differentiation, consistent with above described relatively distant relationship of most Ancient Egyptians to ancestral Somali's and Ethiopians. [/qb][/QUOTE]I think you need to read what Ehret says in his books Swenet, because from what you said it sounds like you have read little of him. This was my mistake, not really having read his books myself. He considers Egyptian, Berber, Chadic, Semitic to be all later evolutions of an original Erythraic precursor. He has done much work as a linguist and correlating the linguistic science of evolutionary time frames with archaeology and genetics including the genetic evolution of fauna and animals of the region in relation to these dialects. One can not rely simply on knowledge of genetic or human haplotype information if one doesn't know how it correlates with the physical anthropological, archaeological and other historical evidence. Ehret has extensive background with with relation to all of this subject matter in the region. As you have accused him of making "rudimentary errors" I am of course assuming you have a background similar to his and know what he has said or believes about Nazlet Khater of over 30 thousand years ago. I would be happy to look at some of your research as well. I am particularly interested in what you have concluded the supposed "ancestral Somalis Ethiopians " may have looked like and where you suppose they were. As far as I can tell Ehret has said the origins of the Capsians were with the east African Capsian type cultures far to the south of Egypt. Please forward me the name of your papers and or texts by private email if you wish. Thank you. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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