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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike111: [qb] xyyman - We are all really happy that you have mastered this, but it is obvious that the rest of us are just too slow to understand it. So it's probably best if you hold court on ESR where you have the time to bring people up to date. As an example of how backward I am, I'm reading this Genetic Distance Map from The History and Geography of Human Genes by Cavalli-Sforza. [IMG]http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/Morlock/GeneMap.jpg[/IMG] And I'm thinking that it shows that the nearest people to Europeans are Iranians and the Indians and Dravidians of India, with no Africans even close. Silly me, I'm thinking that's just further proof that Europeans are Dravidian Albinos. Clearly you need to go back to ESR and find a way to straighten me out - thanks. Btw - take DD'eDeN with you, I'm sure he'll be a big help. [/qb][/QUOTE]Mike I see you're being sarcastic here but we get the drift. xyyman has saying that Europeans are depigmented Africans for a long time now and he even has said that they came from Africa udner 5,000 years ago. But you say he's wrong and use the above chart showing how the Europeans are not at a close distance to the Africans, they are relatively far away. O.k. fine The Berber position is also interesting. xyyman says those are Africans and we can see they are quite a bit closer to the Europeans but still not all that close. If you look at the Europeans they are in close proximity to the Iranians as you said and somewhat close to the Near Easterners So why is it that you don't have a theory that Europeans are say "albinos Near Easterners" The Near East is much closer to Europe than India and there are many phenotypes there, surely there must be a dark skinned ancient narrow featured Near Easters and Euroepans coul be the "albinos" of them Also notable that the Europeans are pretty far away form the Turkic peoples, Mike what about that? That's Central Asia, what gives? Or why don't you say the modern Greeks are the albinos of the old Greeks and the albino Greeks moved into the rest of Europe? Or why don't you say Europeans are albino Iranians? See, maybe Mindovermatter does have a point. You just pick a group of particular albinos because there happens to be nice photos available of them. Yet there is no historical record of a mass of Indian people moving into Europe ( with the exception of Gypsies perhaps, a minority population) O.k. well what about the Indians/Dravidian position on the chart ?? Yes they are somewhat close to the European/Iranian cluster But the problem is that they are not close enough to say the Europeans [i]are[/i] them. So your theory is not that tight. They are about the same distance away from the Europeans as are the Near Easterners so it's a no brainer if you are to apply this albino theory that the Near Easterners are closer to Europe and are better candidates than some Dravidians doubling back. And the ancient Near East had plenty of phenotypes to choose from. Anyway another interesting thing is the proximity on this chart of Africans to North and South American Indians. You are using this chart to show how far apart Europeans are from Africans and the North and South Americans are similalry distant from Africans. So maybe why you are not ackowledging Mindovermatters theory is that it is a problem for you [/QB][/QUOTE]
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