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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Muhommed Abed: [qb] Peace and greetings. [b]Is there any artwork of Black Moors of spain (Al-Andulas)? [/b] I raise this question because I noticed the exchange taking place in a thread with one side claiming the moors were predominantly black and the other side refuting it. Additionally, paintings were provided in the thread. It was argued in the thread that the paintings presented by the Afrocentrists on the forum are post Moors of Al-Andulas. Can any of the Afrocentrist brothers post up some paintings of black moors of the 8th to 10th century? [/qb][/QUOTE]See this is the problem, no one said the Moors were Predominantly Black. Our Argument is that the Moors was used to refer to a multi-racial Ethnic group that INCLUDED blacks? How Hard is this to understand? Fawal wanted to present it as if the Moors were White, which unless you are calling Berbers and Arabs white that is not true either. Of Course the Moors were not all black, Hell they did not even take wives from their native lands but had families WITH NATIVE EUROPEANS...for Gods sake. Of course the Moors would be presented as Light Skinned with very few Jet Black sterotypical Sub Sahrans. Also the Population of Al-Andalucia would have varied from time to time. At one point the Native Iberians out nembered the Arabs and Berbers combined. Slavic Slaves were present, Yemini, Turks, Arabs, Egyptians, Syrians were present... How hard is this to understand, the Moors were originally the Black populations of North Africa, During the occupation it was a multi-racial category. [IMG]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4341552508_dde6c48690_o.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4341552508_dde6c48690_o.jpg[/IMG] ^^^ On this one you can see Some mixed typed and some Black out numbered by Arabs. [/qb][/QUOTE]The word Moor was not used in early times for an ethnic group. It was used for black people who occupied the coasts of North Africa synonomously called Ethiopians. When the Arabians entered Spain the Spaniards and other Latins came to call to use the name Moro for them because of their color. Ur statement about the Moors is tantamount to saying the Negros were predominantly black. I don't know what that means, neither would have early Europeans or Christian Spaniards until the 13th century. [/qb][/QUOTE]When we talk about Al-Andalus and its history as a whole we call the Muslim inhabitants Moors. This is similar to "American" "Australian" and so forth regardless of the original meaning. Now you are right if we get technical(and sadly we should more often) We would break the "Moors" into different Ethnic groups the Muwalludun, Mozarabs, the Tafias, Saqiliba, Almoravids, Almohads etc. You are right though the word Moor: Greek word Mauros for the aboriginal inhabitants of North Africa. In english its usage is often used for the inhabitants of Muslim Spain be they african, Near Eastern or Mixed. [/qb][/QUOTE]Whose "we"? The word Moor was not originally used for all of Muslim Spaniards by the English. And when "we" say "Moorish" Spain that refers to the culture that was brought into Spain by the people that were called Moors. Muslims elsewhere did not necessarily have "Moorish" culture. When one says "Moorish" they are talking of a particular brand of Muslim culture that was brought their mainly by the Almoravide and the original Yemenite Arabians. When one says the Moorish wail or the Moorish architecture that refers to something unique to African and Afro-Arabian culture which was the dominant culture of Muslim Spain. These people had a different culture than the Syrians, Iranians, Kurds and Turks that the Middle East. [/qb][/QUOTE]Dana when I research the Moor the presenter usually classifies all the different tribes into one group "Moors". If you r implying that during its time the inhabitants distiqueshed themselves, well O.K, that is very likely but the fact is now a days "Moor" is a blanket term. Yes Dana the dominant culture was Afro-Arabian Dana you would'nt be able to translate that you tube clip??? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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