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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by lamin: [qb] Lioness, You might as well say--and I will totally disagree-that Apartheid as an economic system was beneficial to Southern Africans because it offered them work and it helped in the economic development of South Africa. You might as well say that slave labour in Nazi Germany was beneficial to the enslaved in that they helped in the Nazi war effort by providing vital services to the German economy. The problem with the slave systems mentioned above is that all deny full [b] human[/b] agency to their victims. Under the Apartheid system the black South African population also grew at a better than average rate due to a number of factors. U.S. slavery was a cruel system based on ensuring that a captive population as the labour factor of production be used in such a way that profits be maximised in a large local market and a larger globalised market--i.e. Western Europe. By contrast the population of the indigenous Native Americans rapidly declined during the same period because they occupied spaces for European settlement. Again re black slavery in the U.S.: there was an increasing demand for controlled and owned labour as capitalist markets expanded to all parts of the U.S. It was then seen as preferable to ensure that captive females produce as many offspring as possible to maximise on replacement rates that were more risky given the added distances from West Africa. But all in all the Atlantic slave trade was 100% unacceptable because of its wicked and criminally dehumanising effects on humans. Much, much worse than your Holocaust. And you just missed that central point. Some would say obviously so. [/qb][/QUOTE]I am not agreeing with "Time on the Cross" by Robert W. Fogel and Stanley Engernan. Mike is the one that brought up that source and that book is famous for showing profitability of the slave trade to the majority white population. My argument is that there were increased birthrates and that book shows how we were treated as a commodity rather than intended to be wiped out for genocidal purposes even though many people died and were tortured. The Maafa is my Maafa it was cruel and a severly inhumane crime that included murder. But the motive obviously was free labor for a cotton boom, other agricultural economic projects and domestic servitude. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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