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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] Cro-Magnon people carried haplogroup N: [QUOTE] Specific mtDNA sites outside HVRI were also analyzed (by amplification, cloning, and sequencing of the surrounding region) to classify more precisely the ancient sequences within the phylogenetic network of present-time mtDNAs (35, 36). Paglicci-25 has the following motifs: +7,025 AluI, 00073A, 11719G, and 12308A. Therefore, this sequence belongs to either haplogroups HV or pre-HV, two haplogroups rare in general but with a comparatively high frequencies among today's Near-Easterners (35).[b] Paglicci-12 shows the motifs 00073G, 10873C, 10238T, and AACC between nucleotide positions 10397 and 10400, which allows the classification of this sequence into the macrohaplogroupN,containing haplogroups W, X, I, N1a, N1b, N1c, and N*.[/b] Following the definition given in ref. 36, the presence of a single mutation in 16,223 within HRVI suggests a classification of Paglicci-12 into the haplogroup N*, which is observed today in several samples from the Near East and, at lower frequencies, in the Caucasus (35). It is difficult to say whether the apparent evolutionary relationship between Paglicci-25 and Paglicci-12 and those populations is more than a coincidence. Indeed, the haplogroups to which the Cro-Magnon type sequences appear to belong are rare among modern samples, and therefore their frequencies are poorly estimated. However, genetic affinities between the first anatomically modern Europeans and current populations of the Near East make sense in the light of the likely routes of Upper Paleolithic human expansions in Europe, as documented in the archaeological record (37). http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/100/11/6593 [/QUOTE]This suggest that haplogroup N was taken to Western Eurasia by the San people=Cro-Magnon. This makes it clear, to me, that hg N in Africa is not the result of a back mjration. . . [/qb][/QUOTE]Clyde since when did the San carry hg N? [/qb][/QUOTE]The HadzaII carry hg N see Fig.3: Tishkoff S A , M. K. Gonder, B. M. Henn, H. Mortensen, A. Knight, C. Gignoux, N. Fernandopulle, G. Lema, T. B. Nyambo, U. Ramakrishnan, et al.(2007).History of Click-Speaking Populations of Africa Inferred from mtDNA and Y Chromosome Genetic Variation. Mol. Biol. Evol., 24(10): 2180 - 2195. [Abstract] [Full Text] [PDF] This Khoisan group probably represented the Grimaldi who settled Europe as the Cro-Magnon population. . [/qb][/QUOTE]Clyde the Hazda of Tanzania are not related to Khoisan other than the similarity in click languages that they speak. Hadza are predominately haplgroup B which links them to Pygmies whereas the Khoisan are hg A and the Mtdna doesn't link them to the Khoisan either, the Hadza carry L4 and L2 while the Khoisan carry L0d/L0k Mtdna hg. So again Clyde, since when did the San carry Hg N to bring into Europe? [/qb][/QUOTE]Tishkoff et al, claim that Hadza II are Khoisan. What evidence do you have to prove Tishkoff et al (2007) is lying? . [/qb][/QUOTE]Clyde, can you read? I just provided you with the genetic data which ties Hadza to Pygmies on the Y chromosome with hg B, and the Mtdna does not link with Khoisan either. Btw the connection between Hadza and Khoisan as noted by me above is their language which is spoken in clicks. Hadza are not Khoisan Clyde sorry. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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