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[QUOTE]Originally posted by osirion: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by osirion: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by KING: [qb] osirion You speak nothing but the TRUTH. Islam seems to want people to give up there identity and claim a Arab one. Racism is rife in Islam I also don't like how they continue to promote child marriages which rob girls of their childhood. Muslims are good decent people but their faith is just a corrupting tool used by there elite to enslave and rape them. As we can see in Afghanistan, the taliban are using the youth to commit suicide I hear that most of the bombers were between 12-18. Now in Pakistan there is news that taliban is taking advantage of the job loss in Faisalabad to recruit the youth to there agenda. People have got to realize that the youth are the future and God does not want them to lose there lives like this. Children are supposed to be protected, yet we see them being abused in Islamic countries higher then other countries. Peace [/qb][/QUOTE]Christians don't? I'd suggest stepping out of the West and look at the Christian communities presently residing much of Africa or the "Middle East". They're just as brutal, fanatical, or "forceful". Do remember that these techniques are not necessarily sponsored by Islam either. That doesn't conditioning under the family structure is absent. However that's the case in all human cultures. Also, I'd consider that you look at the solely Christian populations in the Western world. New York City or Toronto isn't the West. For most parts, its all-white and Christian, and the latter applies for many parts of those cities. I ask, how did that happen? I'd imagine that you'd argue that it was voluntary, despite the fact that African slaves were forced into that religion. PS: I'd also consider the socio-political health of Islamic states. The West used to not be that different, especially, when it was closed off to much of the world. [/qb][/QUOTE]Islam is of Arab origin. Christianity is NOT of European origin. Christianity you speak of was anything but. Rather it was a mix of Celtic pagan traditions mixed with some concepts of Christianity. [/qb][/QUOTE]Nice try. Arabs are highly tied to African people. Just because the typical Lebanese you see on the street look pale (false) doesn't meant that there is no relationship. It is actually quite established, especially considering that the Red Sea isn't the Atlantic Ocean. Just please, stop it. I don't think Christianity or Judaism, for that matters, doesn't have ties with that damn region. After all, many of us also belong to tradition of conversion. Well, that is, people whose grand mother's great grand parents were literate, it'd be more understood. Well I am not excluding slave ancestry, because that's the possibility amongst all peoples (i.e. stories of illegitimate distant relatives, or step-brothers) are not rare in "our" community either. These discussions are problematic, because there is so much political baggage around this discussion. I don't sponsor Doug_M's position that Islam is all doom in Africa. One may as well consider the people who claimed to have followed the religion just as Africans, who lived within the continent, plundered those within as well. I REALLY think that we need to stop viewing the Arabian peninsula as a foreign land. Unlike Europeans, who were isolated due to the dark ages, Africans were not isolate from West Asian populations. In addition, pale skin has a northern European origin, and those African-West Asian Natufians nicely clustered with the generalized "sub-Saharan" African mean. Those "Asiatic" (i.e. "Indian-like") traits possibly developed more recently, but I do see a rather intermediate position of the Arabian peninsula. In other words, Somalis, for instance, have a lot more to do with "True Arabs" than the Berber counterpart. If Fawal looks "white", he won't fit in at all. [/qb][/QUOTE]There are many different routes Christianity took in terms of introduction in Africa. The most pure and effective route was that of the Nubian Christians who converted from direct contact with the apostles. Now if you can look at Christian Nubia and find an issue with how it was practiced and that it exploited Black people, then please let me know. Europeans brought a pure and a corrupt form of Christianity to Africa both for honest reasons and dishonest. It was the dishonesty that dominated in the spread of Christianity by the Europeans in Africa. I think the point that is being missed is the affect of religion on the identity of the people. Islamic Africans are far more likely to consider themselves of Arabic origin than non-Islamic Aficans. This causes a huge division and goes back to my point about homogenous societies having an advantage over heterogenous ones. Europeans, like Japanese people, are homogenous and show preference to each other over outside ethnics groups for natural genetic reasons. In Africa we see Islamic Africans showing preference to Arabs over their own people and to the point that they don't even recognize themselves as African. The lack of a racism gene means (due to natural genetic diversity and depth) that Black Africans are easier to divide and put into contention rather than help each other to thrive. Even African Americans to this day have a hard time showing preference to their own over other ethnic groups. Makes it hard to compete against ethnics groups such as the Japanese and German people who naturally help each other. Christian Nubia was destroyed by Islam. My point is that if it was not destroyed then an indigenous form of Christianity would have spread through Aksum to the rest of Africa. This would have created an African Christian identity and may have actually thwarted European colonization and enslavement of Africans. African people would have experienced the renaissance before Europe and we would be the ones sending out missionaries and colonizing the world in the same manner in the past with Africans had religious unity under an African form of Christianity known as the cult of Osiris. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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