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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by rasol: [qb] [QUOTE] Km.t is a term created by WESTERN scholars [/QUOTE]This is simply a lie. Km.t prounoucned Kheme' is the word Black in Ancient Egyptian and Coptic. It is not invented by ws.t scholars. [/qb][/QUOTE]Km.t is a WORD that WESTERN scholars created to represent the HEIROGLYPHICS the Egyptians used to refer to themselves and their country, using the ENGLISH alphabet. Remember the main word used to refer to the country of Egypt today is based on the Greek bastardization of Egyptian heiroglyphs. The original Egyptian terms for their country had long been lost to MOST from the outside world by the time of the French. However, it was the French who deciphered the rosetta stone and provided a modern way of writing the ancient Egyptian language. Specifically Champollion, who deciphered the rosetta stone, came up with the spelling of km.t as we know it in the English language. And, it is he who first identified it as a reference to the BLACK skin of the inhabitants of the nile valley: [QUOTE]Champollion the Younger, who deciphered the Rosetta Stone, claimed in Expressions et Termes Particuliers that kmt referred to a 'negroid' population. Modern day professional Egyptologists, anthropologists, and linguists, however, overwhelmingly agree that the term referred to the dark soil of the Nile Valley rather than the people, which contrasted with dSrt or the "red land" of the Sahara desert. [/QUOTE]From: http://www.crystalinks.com/egypthistory.html The issue here has been hotly debated every since. Note, this is all about the semantics of translation, as the ancient language of Egypt is dead to us today. Therefore, many have come along and tried to act as if THEIR interperetation of the ancient language is BETTER than those that have gone before. But there is nothing regarding the way the Egyptians referred to themselves in heiroglyphics that has been found to contradict champollon. In fact, the amount of documents and inscriptions available today from ancient times provides ample basis for providing the evidence in support of Champollion's translation. However, RARELY, IF EVER, do those who support the idea of Km.t meaning "the black land" as in soil, EVER show specific examples from Egyptian heiroglyphs supporting their claims. Champollion made his determination based on the analysis of MANY references the Egyptians made to themselves in heiroglyphic texts and from this he made his conclusion. A conclusion that is supported by the heiroglyphics themselves. The main source of km.t = "the black land" is Gardiner, as many Egyptologists seem to feel his book "An Ancient Egyptian Grammar" is much more up to date and a better reference on the subject. HOWEVER, this does not change the fact, that the heiroglyphics themselves as deciphered by Champollion, Budge, Diop and others, do NOT support such a claim. It may be the fact that Gardiner was looking at certain passages from ancient Egypt that led him to this opinion, passages not similar to those deciphered by Champollion and others or it may be that he was biased. Either way, his work is the basis that those who profess such a belief rely on. Referring to Gardiner is what is called an appeal to authority, where Gardiner is considered the ultimate authority on the matter, meaning no further investigatioh is required. In all honesty, EVERYTHING should be questioned, and everything should be reinforced by facts and evidence. In this case, the facts and evidence do not support the claim. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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