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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by rahotep101: [qb] I speak as I find. I can't think of any great architectural monuments in Nubia that predate the period of Egyptian influence. If you show me them, I will acknowledge the fact. It seems to be a matter of historical record that Kilwa and Mogadishu were founded by Persians. I have not denied the sophistication of Yoruba and certain Nok artifacts, and there does seem to have been more going on in that corner of Africa than I imagined.[/qb][/QUOTE]You are obviously ignorant of the fact that Egyptian pharaonic civilization is largely derived from that of Nubia. The Nubian kingdom of Ta-Seti is far older than those of any royal polities in predynastic Egypt and many pharaonic iconography, customs, etc. were in place in Nubia centuries before Egypt. Even the pharaonic style tombs and proto-mastabas were found in Nubia first. I suggest you do research on the archaeology of the Nile Valley before you rehash outdated theories of "Egyptian" influence in Nubia since it was the other way around. [QUOTE][qb]It's an accident of birth what colour one is, and who one's ancestors were, so no basis for any kind of chauvinism. It doesn't mean one can't judge historical cultures against each other. Cultural relativism is a way of making excuses for backwardness. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is an admirable African in part because she doesn't feel obliged to accept the detrimental baggage from her own heritage, and is able to embrace the positive aspects of western civilization and modernity. I'm disgusted by the ideas of head-hunting, human sacrifice and slave-taking whoever did it, so clearly I would not defend every aspect of ancient European culture. (That said, I doubt the Celtic religions were as bloodthirsty as the Romans made out. Many times more people were killed in the Roman arenas than ever were on Druidic altars). Slavery has been a shameful feature of otherwise-great civilizations all over the world. Peoples as advanced as the Carthaginians were said to resort to human sacrifice. [/qb][/QUOTE]Nice speech, but you still seem to be in denial that the problem in academia as it is in today's Western society is still Eurocentrsim. Your very claims of African barbarism compared to Europe is proof of that. While I myself acknowledge the presence of advanced culture in northern and northwestern Europe before Roman times and coinciding with the neolithic, YOU seem to be in denial of the fact that the neolithic from which all these civilizations sprang was not an indigenous affair but was [i]introduced[/i] from the Near East! You also seem to be in denial that not only was neolithic culture in Africa predate anything in Europe but that it was totally indigenous and and not derived from elsewhere! At least you are honest that you don't know much about African history, but this coupled with the lack of archaeology in the continent outside of the Nile Valley is the source for all this ignorance. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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