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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by rasol: [qb] [QUOTE]I am very surprised at this reaction.[/QUOTE]Why? Do you feel that you have answered the above questions, or do you feel the questions are unfair, irrelevant, etc.? [/qb][/QUOTE]If you had read my long post on the development of the Long Count closely, I would have thought that the answer was clear. I am also curious that you feel that the published (and reviewed) interpretation of these glyphs by a number of acknowledged experts and scholars ara insignificant compared to Winters's opinion. However: [QUOTE][qb]1.What ISIG is the “loopy sign” on the Mojarra stela?[/QUOTE][/qb] The sign is probably better described as a trinary symbol with two arches and a fancy bar in the middle. Found at both A1 (143 A.D.) and M8 (156 A.D.) It is the epi-Olmec version of the Initial Series Introductory glyph that indicates that the following numbers indicate a Long Count date with a zero at August 11 3114 B.C. [QUOTE][qb]2. What ISIG is the Mojarra symbol related too?[/QUOTE][/qb] Similar glyphs are seen in: Two epi-Olmec The Tuxtla statuette (162 A.D.) — the 3 “question mark” looking scrolls at A1 [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ja/8/8d/Tuxtla_Statuette.JPG[/IMG] Stela C Tres Zapotes (32 B.C.)— the trinary symbol 2 arches with a central vertical bar above the Jaguar head [IMG]http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter54/text-Olmec/OlmecCalendar.gif[/IMG] These are early Maya Stela 29 Tikal (292 A.D.) A1 trinary glyph 2 loops with a central vertical bar [IMG]http://members.shaw.ca/mjfinley/TIKAL29.jpg[/IMG] Leyden Plaque (320 A.D.) a trinary glyph with two arches and a middle vertical bar on A1 [IMG]http://users.skynet.be/fa039055/leydenpl.gif[/IMG] [QUOTE][qb]3. What month is noted in the alledged Mojarra ISIG?[/QUOTE][/qb] In A2a A2b— the 17th month (K’ayab) 3rd day [IMG]http://www.famsi.org/reports/05084/images/La%20Mojarra%20Main/La%20Mojarra%20St.%201-029.jpg[/IMG] In M9a M9b- the 1st month (Pop) 15th day [IMG]http://www.famsi.org/reports/05084/images/La%20Mojarra%20Main/La%20Mojarra%20St.%201-046.jpg[/IMG] In Tuxtla Statuette- the 14th month (Kankin) day 0 In Tikal Stela 29- the 3rd month (Zip) day 3 In Leyden Plaque- the 7th month (Yaxkin) day 0 [QUOTE][qb]4. What is the patron god of alledged Mojarra introductory gylph.[/QUOTE][/qb] As Marcus (1976, 2002) points out— The Leyden Plaque is the [qb]first[/qb] instance of a patron god being inserted in the ISIG- therefore the question is not valid for the Mojarra Stela, the Tuxtla Statuette, Stela C Tres Zapotes as well as the early Maya, Tikal Stela 29 On the Leyden plate see the [i]kin[/i] or “sun god’s head” (like a little cross with dots) in the middle of A1-B2 who is the patron of the month Yaxkin which is repeated in A9 Now I would like to pose a question for Winters. Since you now have admitted that the Mojarra stela has 2 Initial Series Long count dates similar to the date on the Tuxtla Statuette, please document the Mande source, at let’s say 32 B.C.) for a calendar that [qb]MUST INCLUDE ALL OF THE FOLLOWING[/qb] 1. an interlocking 260-day calendar of 13 numbers and 20 day names [qb]AND[/qb] a 365-day calendar composed of 18 20-months and 1 5-day month. 2. A starting date for this interlocking calendar of August 11, 3114 B.C. 3. A vertical place notation of a modified base-20 number system 4. A true zero I am waiting for an answer since you claim all the Olmec writing is Mande [/QB][/QUOTE]
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