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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Grumman: [QB] [b]The Explorer[/b], it's interesting that you would ask: [b]Which is...''[/b] then further on down the post (addressing Winters) proceed to use genetic mutation as a way to prove your argument, or disprove mine, when it is a known fact that many scientists disagree with the mutation explanation simply because it confers no advantage. The vast majority of mutations are harmful to the organism, yet evolutionists say it is [i]the[/i] driving force in evolution. Since the explanation 'random' is the key force, which amounts to ''according to'' then how to explain where it comes from, already packed with all the information it needs to operate. To get to this point wouldn't this also entail millions of mutations in groups of people, and not just a few here and there. How many generations would this entail. It would have to be ''really quick'' considering the length of time humans have been on this planet. At this point we can insert Gould's Punctuated Equilibrium to satisfy some I suppose. But if we do that then one still has to explain the suddenness of change; yet, according to, evolution works very slowly. If it is random why shouldn't those who accept it in its totality offer proof with an explanation how it is that way without leaving the random dangling out there on its own with nothing to support it, except to those who accept it. That hardly constitutes the kind of proof required that scientists ask of themselves. If I was asked, as a scientist, which I am not, to prove the randomness in light of the damaging deleterious nature of mutations how would I go about it other than 'a consensus' which is still not proof, since no scientist, according to what I've read can definitely say how mutations are beneficial? Speaking of the aforementioned Stephen Gould: [i]The iconography of persuasion strikes even closer than words to the core of our being. Every demagogue, every humanist, every advertising executive, has known and exploited the evocative power of a well-chosen picture....But many of our pictures are incarnations masquerading as neutral descriptions of nature. These are the potent sources of conformity, since ideas passing as descriptions lead us to equate the tentative with the unambiguously factual.[/i] ---Stephen Jay Gould, [i]Wonderful Life[/i] (New York: W.W. Norton, 1989, p.28) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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