During the Middle Ages Black peoples in Europe were called Blue men. There seem to be images of this period which show Bleu people. I know of a Renaissance crucifixion scene with a light blue Jesus. In the Renaissance we start seeing many, many images of blacks, called The Moor.
Mike Nassau writes about Nubians and Iranians which were brought to Europe in 50 BC by Caesar to fight the Germanic nations. They stayed on and had their own communities along the Rhine and the Danube. Nassau states that in the 17th century Europeans arrived in America who were called Black Dutch. They were not treated like the Africans who were held in slavery. Many Whites were also kept as slaves or slave like conditions. Later on Black and coloured families claimed descend from these Black Dutch to prevent re-enslavement or being treated as ‘niggers.’ The point is that somehow Black and coloured people were present in Europe and managed to keep their Black looks through intermarriage till at least the 17 century.
On forums like these there is a lot of discussion about the Moors and what they looked like. I suggest we look at the Moor in European Art and take it from there. In European Art the Moor is always a Classical African: pitch black, frizzled hair, a flat and wide face, flat nosed, thick lips, and subnasal prognasty. When you study the symbol of the Moor from The Renaissance (1500) you will find that it did not start out like a ‘Black Servant’ or a ‘Black Page.’ The Drake Jewel (1575) shows the profile of a Black King dominating the profile of a White woman. This symbolises Africa dominating Europe and Black superiority in Europe. The symbol of the Moor shows a ‘Blue man’ which is a Black man and means Blue Blood. We see many portraits of the nobility in which they pose very intimate with a little Black boy or girl which gives the sitter riches, mostly pearls which seem to symbolise Europe.The nobility was coloured, and some showed more African or Asian or White treats. These portraits are kept hidden or are destroyed around the French Revolution (1789).
Inside The Drake Jewel is a miniature of Queen Elizabeth I. Her father’s sister Mary Tudor was the grandmother of Mary of Scots. Mary of Scots’ son was James I who married Anne of Denmark. They were the grandparents of Charles II Stuart who was named ‘The Black Boy.’ He was described on a wanted poster issued by parliament as ‘a tall Black man’ and I do not think they were fooling around. Anne of Denmark had ordered a play ‘The Masque of Blackness’ (1605) in praise of Black beauty which did not fade. The play was performed by members of the court and it explained how Blacks, The Sun People, came to Europe to look for a milder sun. In the play was a personage of The Niger River. The costume design shows a tall Black woman. Strange as this might sound; it took me after all three years to believe my own findings: Anne of Denmark which we know as a blindingly blond woman was almost certainly Black. As the whole Stuart dynasty was Black of skin.
When one looks for portraits of Charles II Stuart ‘The Black Boy’ one finds many which show a White man, with long black hair and mustachio. But if one persists there are portraits which show black skin. Especially the National Portrait Gallery site shows many portraits of a Black skinned boy and later a Black adult. Still there is a lot of variations, but I have one pitch black portrait which show his classical African treats under a huge afro-like wig.
So there were Black Kings in Europe, who somehow traced their origins in Africa and symbolised their Blue blood with the image of a Moor. The portraits which show Blacks as White’s I would explain as propaganda to make them look as the White people they so despotically oppressed. Other white portraits are over painted authentic Black portraits, or whitened copies of these or outright fakes. All European museums show portraits of the European elite, with fake white skin colour. We know that all the European royal families were blood relatives. The Black Boy’s mother, for instance, Henrietta Maria, was the daughter of Maria de Medici, Queen of France and the aunt of Louis XIV, The Sun King. The sister of The Black boy was Maria Henrietta Stuart who married the Dutch Stadholder William II. Their son was King Stadholder William III, who ruled Britain as William and Mary.
To be continued! (All this can be verified in google)
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The Drake Jewel (1575)
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The Black Boy: Charles II Stuart, King of Britain.
Not particular Afro centric except of the dark skin
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The Masque of Blackness (1605): design of the Niger River, a play commissioned by Queen Anne, the wife of James I Stuart of Britain and grandmother of Charles II Stuart.
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My research of the European elite 1500-1789 is mainly based on personal descriptions. Biographies en autobiographies offer brief personal descriptions of persons who belonged to the European nobility and royal families. These descriptions can sometimes be connected to portraits, mostly prints, which show skin colour or ethnic treats. Naturally this leads to parents and siblings, but also marriage partners to be identified as coloured. When one is used to looking at prints which show dark or black colour, one can identify other persons as coloured, without benefit of a description.
Biographies:
Stadholder William of Orange (1533-1584): Brown of complexion and the beard. More brown then white. Emperor Leopold I Hapsburg: A short, hale black man. Author James Boswell: Swarthy, with black hair and black eyes. Author and politician Madame de Staël: Swarthy. Good features, bad complexion Charles II Stuart: The Black Boy Author Benjamin Constant: Very bad complexion Baron Aarnoud Joost van der Duyn van Maasdam: Black Brown (Noir et basané), Chimney sweep, Swarthy. Rousseau: a genteel Black man in an Armenian coat Van Beethoven: The Black Spaniard Haydn: The Blackamoor Alessandro de Medici: Il Moro Duc d’Anjou, son of Queen Catharine de Medici: Swarthy Queen Charlotte Sophie of Mecklenburg Strelitz: a true mulatto face. Her nose was too wide and her mouth showed the same fault. Yellow.
Autobiographies:
Isabelle de Charrière: Not the white hands James Boswell: Black Colette: My Negro body Elizabeth Barrett Browning: I’m a Black woman
Egmond Codfried
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Alessandro de Medici named Il Moro
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['Good features, bad complexion']
Madame de Staël, Drawing by Friedrich Tieck Baroness Germaine de Staël-Holstein Germaine de Necker Swiss, daughter of the 'Minister of Finance' of France De Necker
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‘A genteel Black man in an Armenian coat’ (Boswell)
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Charlotte Sophie of Mecklenburg Strelitz, Queen of George III of Britain
'A true mulatto face'
Her father, Duke Charles Louis Frederick of Mecklenburg Mirow
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Classical composer Ludwig van Beethoven
'The Black Spaniard'
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Queen Henrietta Maria of Britain mother of Charles II Stuart, 'The Black Boy' daughter of Queen Maria de Medici of France
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Faked skincolour: STRANGE BIOLOGY
Henrietta Maria
Her son King Charles II Stuart, named the Black Boy
Her daughter Maria Henriette who married Stadholder William II, at age nine
Their son Stadholder William III, King of England
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Elizabeth Barrett Browning
'I'm a Black woman'
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Henrietta Maria de Bourbon, Queen of Britain, daughter of King Henry IV and sister to Louis XIII, the father of The Sun King
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Catherine de Medici, Queen of France, great granddaughter of Lorenzo de Medici
[URL=http://www.jamd.com/search?assettype=g&assetid=51239133&text=catherine+medici ]Catharine de Medici[/URL] Catherine de Medici
Her son, Francis Duke de Alencon and Anjou: described as ‘swarthy.’ Suitor of Elizabeth I, briefly sovereign of the Netherlands
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Pietro de Medici, son of Lorenzo, grandfather of Catherine de Medici(Whitened)
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quote:Originally posted by gunit: This topic is boring. We're not interested
Yes dear, your objections are duly noted. Now be a good boy and run along. And don't come back, so you will not feel bored anymore!
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William of Orange, founder of the Dutch dynasty described as 'more brown then white' and 'brown from complexion and the beard.'
I also notice thick lips and subnasal prognasty, on many of his portraits, and especially with his brother Jan de Oude, count of Nassau
Jan de Oude, brother of William of Orange, note subnasal prognasty (whitened colour)
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Don't take this jackass seriously. Good topic. The fool doesn't add anything but one or two nonsensical sentences. Not sure he can read . . or write properly.
This is an area we don't discuss much on AE. . .&E.
How authentic are some of these paintings?
quote:Originally posted by gunit: This topic is boring. We're not interested
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Charlotte Sophie Mecklenburg, ‘a true mulatto face’
This portraits shows her brown skin
King George IV, her son, with a Moor; symbol of Blue Blood
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Thank you dear. What is this AE...&E thing? The images come straight from google and some have credits, others not. I like people to feed these names into google to come up with their own understanding of things, so I offer some leads. You should visit the National Portrait Gallery site where you will find all the authentication in the world. You will see White and then Black portraits of these Royals. But they hide some and for the past years I read 'Image not available.' Especially bothersome in regard to Queen Anne (of Denmark).
Do you have a question about a specific portrait?
By now!
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Hey Tony, I hope you're having a good day at work. I heard you've finally made it to "team lead" .
Now you have "BIG POWER" to give orders to those "Blacks & Asians" that you loathe so much. I hope it makes up for your shitty existense.
I'm actually looking for work at the moment so I'm really bored. Your white & nerdy girl called me over for a cup of tea .
She was on the phone to you as I shook my third leg all over her face . Yep, that was the THUNDER you heard when she told you "not to worry, just the door"
P.S.> This Egmond Codfried cunt is none other than that herpes infested Ruseel (a.k.a argyle104).
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This Renaissance cameo can be seen on a candelabrum in the Louvre, which was a marriage gift to either Catherine or Maria de Medici, Queens of France. J.A. Rogers wrote in ‘Sex and Race’ (1941) that it showed the mother of Alessandro de Medici.
I disagree because it shows a profile of a man, a Black King, and he symbolises Africa. He dominates the profile of a White woman, Europe, and symbolises Black domination and Black superiority in Europe. Just like The Drake Jewel (1575)does.
The Drake Jewel (1575)
Egmond Codfried
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IMAGES OF THE MOOR, A SYMBOL FOR BLUE BLOOD IN EUROPEAN ART
Go away . . . . .troll!!! Stick to the troll threads. Try to concentrate when in the serious threads.
quote:Originally posted by Hori: Hey Tony, I hope you're having a good day at work. I heard you've finally made it to "team lead" .
Now you have "BIG POWER" to give orders to those "Blacks & Asians" that you loathe so much. I hope it makes up for your shitty existense.
I'm actually looking for work at the moment so I'm really bored. Your white & nerdy girl called me over for a cup of tea .
She was on the phone to you as I shook my third leg all over her face . Yep, that was the THUNDER you heard when she told you "not to worry, just the door"
P.S.> This Egmond Codfried cunt is none other than that herpes infested Ruseel (a.k.a argyle104).
Family crest of the Dutch, Moorrees Family showing several Moors, symbols of Blue Blood
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AE . . .&E. Notice there are two sections that are very hot. Ancient Egypt and Egyptology. All things non-egyptology goes in the AE section.
The period in Europe is very interesting because Blacks seemed to be of prominence during the period. Also racism seemed to be almost non-existent. Note the Drake Jewelry.
If blacks were thought of as inferior at that time why are they displayed in important jewelry.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: Thank you dear. What is this AE...&E thing? The images come straight from google and some have credits, others not. I like people to feed these names into google to come up with their own understanding of things, so I offer some leads. You should visit the National Portrait Gallery site where you will find all the authentication in the world. You will see White and then Black portraits of these Royals. But they hide some and for the past years I read 'Image not available.' Especially bothersome in regard to Queen Anne (of Denmark).
Do you have a question about a specific portrait?
By now!
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: AE . . .&E. Notice there are two sections that are very hot. Ancient Egypt and Egyptology. All things non-egyptology goes in the AE section.
The period in Europe is very interesting because Blacks seemed to be of prominence during the period. Also racism seemed to be almost non-existent. Note the . .. Jewelry.
[Voltaire, he might have been a pitch black European. All the great philosophers like Voltaire, Rousseau, Racine, Hume and Kant show up with Black and coloured portraits]
My research indicates that racism was a conscious ideology against the Black Supremacy (1500-1789). Scientific Racism specifically targets the symbol of Blue Blood, the Moor: a Classical African. I will explain later that this period should be viewed as Reversed Apartheid. The people, who were discriminated against and despotically oppressed by the noble elite, were the White's. It ended with the violence of the French Revolution. Imagine South Africa after 200 years, and how they will approach the Apartheid past, what measures they have taken to prevent Apartheid from returning. Still I have to point out that both Voltaire and Rousseau, who are considered fathers of the French Revolution, to be Black man.
As you can see I'm not setting out to proof that Whites are bad and Blacks are good or that Blacks are bad and White's are good. Or that Black are forever victims.
Today they are the underdog and suffer from State Racism in Europe and the USA and this needs to stop. I found a deconstruction of Racism, by offering a theory of how it all started. I do not believe that Racism is a natural emotion, it's taught to us by our leaders.
Egmond Codfried
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^ Interesting.
I find it difficult to believe that you can have those words "in your head" and still behave like a Chimp all day long.
Maybe you should drink less .
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Do you have proof of this?
BTW- are you referring to me on the offensive stuff?? Don't get the remark
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Quote: from EC Still I have to point out that both Voltaire and Rousseau, who are considered fathers of the French Revolution, to be Black man.
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quote:Originally posted by Hori: ^ Interesting.
Do not forget to take your pills dear! Remember what the doctor said, not to much internet per day. Now run along now, and while you are at it, take a shower: you stink!
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Do you have proof of this?
BTW- are you referring to me on the offensive stuff?? Don't get the remark
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Quote: from EC Still I have to point out that both Voltaire and Rousseau, who are considered fathers of the French Revolution, to be Black man.
Good. And the fathers of "The New Revolution" will be black men too .
You know me too well - from over a year working together and 2 years running damn-near cointelpro surveillance on me online - that I'm all about justice (for *ALL*).
When I put the noose around your war criminals who you call "leaders" (who are currently TERRORISING the world), I will remember the "true name" of the Black Man who on this site, showed me my errors .
Nuff said.
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quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by Hori: ^ Interesting.
Do not forget to take your pills dear! Remember what the doctor said, not to much internet per day. Now run along now, and while you are at it, take a shower: you stink!
I'M SORRY BUT I DON'T DO MAN-MADE DRUGS. YOU KNOW THAT
P.S> You guys need to quit being Polymorphic with the ES user accounts. Use one account each so I can properly identify you by your patterned style of gibberish
I'm not sure now if this CodFried Cunt is the herpes infested argyle104 or the bullyvictim-dwarf-DarthVader akoben...
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Do you have proof of this?
BTW- are you referring to me on the offensive stuff?? Don't get the remark
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Quote: from EC Still I have to point out that both Voltaire and Rousseau, who are considered fathers of the French Revolution, to be Black man.
[The profile of Alessandro used as a Moor pendant. So in some cases The Moor was a real person, a real ancestor.]
I expect you to be a clever person with basic understanding. There was not anything offensive in what you are saying, but I do not understand why you quoted the whole offensive stuff from this village weirdo! Let's stick to the subject, please.
The proof to me is James Boswell writing in his Journal about his master J.J. Rousseau: 'A genteel Black man in an Armenian coat.' And lo and behold, a portrait which shows a black skinned Rousseau is to be found in internet. I have guessed that Voltaire was pitch black because he looks pitch black on certain portraits. I'm talking about his skin color. Do you get my methodology? Personal descriptions, then portraits and so on.
These people I'm identifying as 'Black and coloured' seem to me to belong to a 'fixed mulatto race, with some more African, or Asian or White.' They shared a Black identity, Blue blood symbolised by a Moor, a Classical African. They were all mulattotypes, a intermarriying mixed bunch, mixed with all possible races, so you could not say which race they belonged to, in most cases. But they seem to be only interested in colour to proof they were Blue blooded and not White.
Now only hysterical people will understand that I said they were all 'Negroes.' Well I did not! They seem to have had African blood and sometimes one would pop out who looked very African, like Charlotte Sophie or Alessandro de Medici, which made them very happy, as they resembled their symbol of Blue blood.
Egmond Codfried
(Time to go home to prepare pizza. see ya tommorow)
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And what kind of BLOOD do you have. Elvish? Posted by Hori (Member # 11484) on :
^ ROFL Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Hey Hori if you keep this up you will become the village idiot.
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^ Does that mean I'll take your position and you and the gang will be fucking off soon???
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ANDRES SERRANO
BLACK REMBRANDT
The Interpretation of Dreams (The Other Christ), 2001. (copyright Andres Serrano,)
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Title: Portrait of Catherine, the Mulatta of the Portuguese Bradao, (1521) by Albrecht Dürer
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Moor's head cup (1615) And Basket of Flowers
The Moritzburg Treasure
Among the pieces found in the forest were the 'Moor's Head Cup' made by Christoph Jamnitzer in 1615 and the jewelled and enamelled gold and silver 'Basket of Flowers' presented by Johann Melchior Dinglinger to Augustus the Strong in Warsaw at Christmas 1701.
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^ This CodFried Cunt is none other than argyle & akoben.
Russell, do some work and stop surfing the net on corporation time you corporate man-whore!!!
Does your "team lead" know you visit this site? This site should be blocked by your proxy server.
Where do you work now so I can contact Senior Management to get the ban policy put in place?
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Doesn't this forum has a moderator? I have never seen a forum more in need of some filth removal! Very scary stuff, like I'm inside The Exorcist! Perhaps I can be helpfull by informing you that I'm in The Netherlands in Europe, another continent, you know Holland: from the windmills and cheeses too! I'm not this person you keep referring to.
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^^^ ROFFLE RUSSELL "EGGMOND CUNTFRIED" LAWRENCE, IS THAT WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE NOW???
HERPES PERMANENTLY FLARING UP NOW??? OH DEAR .
SURE SCARED ME!!!
YOU ARE IN THE EXORCIST RUSSELL... WHAT? YOUR MOM NEVER TOLD YOU???
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
The lenghts at which people will go to prevent Blacks from having a conversation!
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^^
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: ^^
Dear, I did not get your last answer, only these two hills or boops or tipi: ^^!
I have noticed that not all threads get as much soiled with filth by these supposedly 'village weirdo's.' There seems to be some system to their so-called madness. And they thus seem to consider some threats sacred.
Can you back this observation of mine?
Egmond Codfried
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[Black orchestra (check out the saxophone!(lisbon 1522)]
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Seems like most of the dudes here have a thing for AE, US history/politics, African politics and genetics. Which is fair enough.
What you are researching/unearthing, to me, is really fascinating. Seems like not many are interested in this period. ie ~1200-1800AD of European history. To me it is important because it complements some of the other stuff being discussed. Most of the "expertise" here stop at the Roman Empire. Although there are few discussions on the Ottoman turks.
As for threats .. . . I believe most Eurocentrist will prefer that you remain silent But they quietly watching. It is not as much of threat as AE or black Athena. After all their entire civilization is built on a LIE. ie white Greece.
But to be honest, some of the black/mulattoes are you cited are . . . questionable. Lot more work and publicity is needed for . . . .
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: ^^
Dear, I did not get your last answer, only these two hills or boops or tipi: ^^!
I have noticed that not all threads get as much soiled with filth by these supposedly 'village weirdo's.' There seems to be some system to their so-called madness. And they thus seem to consider some threats sacred.
Can you back this observation of mine?
Egmond Codfried
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[Descartes, Black]
[Descartes, White]
Dear,
Thank you for your support and explanation. What I refer to in my topic: Blue blood is Black blood (1500-1789), is SCIENTIFIC RACISM as an intentionally constructed ideology to fight the idea of Black Superiority, the idea of Blue Blood being superior to White. This ‘European, Black and coloured, intermarrying, fixed mulatto race’ considered colour, any colour but white, as superior. And they knew about old Black based civilisations and Blacks in Europe by reading the classics.
So some bogus idea, dressed as science; Scientific Racism, was raised that Blacks were stupid, ugly and beastlike. Then suddenly Classical Greece became a lilywhite civilisation, which sprang fully formed into history. The desperation of these racist theories can be considered a measure of how terrible the Blue Blood dictatorial oppression was. They even managed to enslave the whole of Africa and America.
The despotic Royal, noble and intellectual elite during the French Revolution was of colour which can also be deduced from the fact that they used white make up, laden with heavy metals, so it also acted as a skin bleach. I cannot understand why they otherwise would paint themselves white if they were white already. I assume that with the revolutionary pressure growing, the make-up en blond wig fashion was a kind of concession to equality. But too little and too late as nobles were butchered wherever they were discovered and the king and queen beheaded. The nobles could not hide because their looks gave them away.
Egmond Codfried
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Seems like most of the dudes here have a thing for AE, US history/politics, African politics and genetics. Which is fair enough.
What you are researching/unearthing, to me, is really fascinating. Seems like not many are interested in this period. ie ~1200-1800AD of European history. To me it is important because it complements some of the other stuff being discussed. Most of the "expertise" here stop at the Roman Empire. Although there are few discussions on the Ottoman turks.
As for threats .. . . I believe most Eurocentrist will prefer that you remain silent But they quietly watching. It is not as much of threat as AE or black Athena. After all their entire civilization is built on a LIE. ie white Greece.
But to be honest, some of the black/mulattoes are you cited are . . . questionable. Lot more work and publicity is needed for . . . .
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: ^^
Dear, I did not get your last answer, only these two hills or boops or tipi: ^^!
I have noticed that not all threads get as much soiled with filth by these supposedly 'village weirdo's.' There seems to be some system to their so-called madness. And they thus seem to consider some threats sacred.
Can you back this observation of mine?
Egmond Codfried
[Cheb Chalid, a world famous Algerian singer]
[Prem Radhakishun, A Surinam Indian, TV presenter in Holland]
[Mike Ho-Sam-Sooi, a Surinam actor, a mix of Black, Chinese and Indian: calls himself a Dogla (Indian/Black mix)]
Dear,
It took me three years to believe it myself as we are all brainwashed that a Black could not even wipe the shoe of a mighty White European king. So now I say that the king himself (Charles II Stuart) was a pitch black man named ‘The Black Boy’ and described as ‘A tall Black man’ by parliament in a wanted poster. James Boswell wrote a little poem about ‘The Swarthy Stuart.’
Perhaps, difficult to visualize. But you could start by closely watching mixed race people, combinations we don’t have a name for. And look at non-African coloureds and swarthy persons, perhaps also of some mixed origins. Do visit the National Portrait Gallery sites where you can compare white and black portraits of Charles II, his parents and so on. These people could never have passed for White’s, but were made White’s later on.
I believe there are also other means beside Molecular biology to determine if someone was of colour. Scientists argues within a Eurocentric environment which is only out to maintain status quo.
Egmond Codfried
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FEED 'GEORGE MONCK' INTO GOOGLE IMAGES FOR MORE BLACK AND WHITE PORTRAITS
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(Curtis Mayfield, 1964)
PEOPLE GET READY
People get ready Theres a train a-coming You dont need no baggage You just get on board All you need is faith To hear the diesels humming Dont need no ticket You just thank the lord
People get ready For the train to jordan Picking up passengers From coast to coast Faith is the key Open the doors and board them Theres room for all Among the loved the most
There aint no room For the hopeless sinner Who would hurt all mankind just To save his own Have pity on those Whose chances are thinner Cause theres no hiding place From the kingdoms throne
So people get ready For the train a-comin You dont need no baggage You just get on board ! All you need is faith To hear the diesels humming Dont need no ticket You just thank, you just thank the lord
Yeah Ooh
Yeah Ooh
Im getting ready Im getting ready This time Im ready This time Im ready
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As you leave Parliament House you will be confronted by the statue of Charles 11 as a Roman emperor astride a heavy charger.
The oldest lead statue in Britain, put up in 1685, it was originally going to be of Oliver Cromwell, but the council hastily changed their plans at the Restoration. Later, in the 18th century, they painted it white, which prompted James Boswell to write:
The milk-white steed is well enough, But why thus daub the man all over, And to the swarthy Stuart give the cream complexion of Hanover.
Can you tell me if the 'Cathars of France' were 'people of Colour' ?
You might know the History that the Cathars were mercilessly exterminated by the Catholic Church.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lord Sauron: Dear Egmond,
You seem very knowledgable.
Can you tell me if the 'Cathars of France' were 'people of Colour' ?
You might know the History that the Cathars were mercilessly exterminated by the Catholic Church.
No dear, I cannot answer this question. But I think that the Franks, as ancestors of the Old French Nobility, were of colour; hence Blue (=Black) Blood. I suspect the Franks to be descendents of the Nubian Garamantes and Iranians which were brought to Europe in 50 BC, by Julius Caesar, to fight the Germanic peoples.
Egmond Codfried
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GARAMANTES
according to Mike Nassau, the BLACK DUTCH are descendents of the Numidian Garamantes, called Tubu today. Here are some Tubu's from google.
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Work by Dinglinger
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Ignatius Fortuna
Angelo Soliman
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THE PAINTER LIOTARD Mostly missing from articles whether about Classical Egypt or Europe is that the artist could also be a Black man. Just like Liotard who shows African traits.
Self-Portraits, ca. 1778–80 (half-whitened) Jean-Étienne Liotard (Swiss, 1702–1789) Roulette, engraving, over mezzotint (proof before letters); Plate: 19 x 15 3/4 in. (48.3 x 40 cm) The Elisha Whittelsey Collection, The Elisha Whittelsey Fund, 1949 (49.98.1)
The Swiss pastellist, painter, printmaker, and writer Jean-Étienne Liotard prepared this engaging self-portrait after a pastel he had exhibited in London's Royal Academy in 1773. Liotard—known as "the Turkish painter" for the distinctive dress that he adopted following an extended sojourn in Constantinople (modern Istanbul)—added unusual textures to the surface of this print's rouletted ground using a variety of small-gauged rockers
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Mulattotypes by Liotard
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Anna Elizabeth van Tuyl van Serooskerken
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: But to be honest, some of the black/mulattoes are you cited are . . . questionable. Lot more work and publicity is needed for . . . .
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [qb] ^^
Do you mean to say that you cannot see any black skin or African traits?
Here you have Maurits Huygens, the brother of Constantijn, by Rembrandt. His cousin Christiaan Huygens invented the clock with a sling. The family was black of skin and on top of that had Afrocentric traits. A museum dedicated to this family in Holland does not show Maurits Huygens. At least they see that he looks Black and they do not want to offend their White racist visitors or let us know that the European elite was Black and coloured. look in google for more about the family Huygens.
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[Christiaan Huygens, inventor of the Pendulum clock. I see Blackness, as with his uncle Maurits Huygens]
I consider Johan de Witt as a member of the 'fixed, European, mulatto race, with some looking more African or Asian or white.' They shared a Black identity called Blue blood, which stood for Black supremacy and was symbolised by a Moor. Members of his family married into the old, Dutch nobility. He looks to me like a inhabitant of Casablanca, with a 'saddled, eastern nose, thick lucious lips, a receding chin, curly hair and most likey very black in colour.
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Egmond...you say The Masque of Blackness is a celebration of Black skin. Can you prove that? I went to Wikipedia (I know, I know...just wanted quick information) and it says the White nobles wore Blackface-style makeup. It appears to be a Renassiance version of Minstrel shows. It also said something about Blacks trying to cleanse their skin or something. Can you elaborate?
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quote:Originally posted by King_Scorpion: Egmond...you say The Masque of Blackness is a celebration of Black skin. Can you prove that? I went to Wikipedia (I know, I know...just wanted quick information) and it says the White nobles wore Blackface-style makeup. It appears to be a Renassiance version of Minstrel shows. It also said something about Blacks trying to cleanse their skin or something. Can you elaborate?
Dear, you fell into a double trap. You consulted only Wikipedia which is extremely Eurocentric and biased if not outright racist against Black issue’s. Then you did not go to the source, the script of the play itself in order to form your own opinion. Here is the design for a Daughter of the river Niger, which speaks for itself, and two fragments which celebrate Black Beauty. So we have allusions to West Africa and beauty in a European play, ordered by the Queen of Britain, Anne of Denmark, performed by British Royalty for the court. Along with the description of Anne of Denmark’s grandson, Charles II Stuart as The Black Boy, and numerous portraits of this family which show them as very black of skin. I say they were Black. Personally I have no use for this most racist of devices to split Africa in North- and South of the Sahara, but we have the mention of the Niger River. So there cannot be any confusion about what type of Classical Africans we are talking about.
Fayre, N I G E R, k sonne to great O C E A N V S, Now honord, thus, With all his beauteous race: Who, though but blacke in face, Yet, are they bright, And full of life, and light. To proue that Beauty best, Which not the colour, but the feature Assures vnto the creature.
Fragment: Who though they were the m first form'd Dames of earth, And in whose sparckling, and refulgent eyes, The glorious Sunne did still delight to rise; Though he (the best Iudge, and most formall cause Of all Dames beauties) in their firm hiewes, drawes Signes of his feruent'st Loue; and thereby shewes That, in their black, the perfectst beauty growes; Since the fix't colour of their curled haire, (Which is the highest grace of dames most faire) No cares, no age can change; or there display The fearefull tincture of abhorred Gray; Since Death hir selfe (hir selfe being pale & blue) Can neuer alter their most faith-full hew;
[Niger River basin: the green area]
[Niger River people]
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quote:Originally posted by King_Scorpion: Egmond...you say The Masque of Blackness is a celebration of Black skin. Can you prove that? I went to Wikipedia (I know, I know...just wanted quick information) and it says the White nobles wore Blackface-style makeup. It appears to be a Renassiance version of Minstrel shows. It also said something about Blacks trying to cleanse their skin or something. Can you elaborate?
[King James I Stuart, son of Mary of Scots]
[King Charles II Stuart, King James'grandson, named The Black Boy]
[NPG Portrets of King James I. on page 2 and 3 I see many 'black' portraits. Notice that many portraits are not shown. I assume they are 'black'. NPG does not answer my inquiries.]
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Playwright William Shakespeare
[Shakespeare, a man of colour, belongs to the fixed mulatto race (1500-1789), which dominated Europe]
QUEEN GERTRUDE: Good Hamlet, cast thy nighted colour off , And let thine eye look like a friend on Denmark. Do not for ever with thy vailed lids Seek for thy noble father in the dust: Thou know'st 'tis common; all that lives must die, Passing through nature to eternity.
Tuesday, 19 September, 2000, 16:49 GMT 17:49 UK The actor who would be king The Royal Shakespeare Company has cast a black actor in the role of an English monarch for the first time. Is this tokenism, or a watershed for black actors breaking into the mainstream?
Joachim Murat(1757-1815), King of Naples and the Two Sicilies, Brother in law of Napoleon
"The Black Prince on a White horse?"
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Johann Friedrich Helvetius
From Wikipedia, Johann Friedrich Helvetius (1625-1709) was a Dutch physician and alchemical writer, of German extraction. He is known for his book Vitulus Aureus (The Golden Calf), published in 1667. Another book is Ichts aus Nichts, für alle Begierigen der Natur from 1655.
He is notorious for the story that he actually carried out transmutation of lead into gold. He is also said to have been physician to the Prince of Orange of the time. His birthplace is given as Köthen, Anhalt[2]. He is said to have known Baruch Spinoza.[2]
He was an ancestor of the philosopher Claude-Adrien Helvétius.[3]
[edit] References Arthur Edward Waite, John Frederick Helvetius: The Famous Alchemist Works by Johann FriedricK Helvetius at Project Gutenberg The Golden Calf, Which the World Adores, and Desires by John Frederick Helvetius, online text at Project Gutenberg
[edit] Notes ^ Joannes Fridericus Helvetius, in Latin, often known as Helvetius. ^ See M. Nierenstein Helvetius, Spinoza, and Transmutation Isis, Vol. 17, No. 2 (1932), pp. 408-411. ^ His great-grandfather, through Jean-Adrien Helvétius, 1662-1727, who introduced the use of ipecac in his position at the French court, father of another court physician Jean-Claude-Adrien Helvétius, 1685 – 1755, and grandfather to Claude-Adrien.[1]
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ODET DE COLIGNY
BLACK!
WHITE!
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Heinrich Khunrath [1560-1605]
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I'm struggling to see the point of all this picture spamming.
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WILLIAM OF ORANGE (1533-1584)
Founder of the Dutch Royal dynasty
"More brown then white" "Brown of complexion and the beard" (Beresteyn 1933)
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Jonkheer Jacob van Wassenaer Obdam
black
white
One of the oldest Dutch Noble families
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Jonkheer Jacobus van Eynde
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BLACK
FRANCOIS DE LA NOUË WHITE
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[quote="G-Man"]Don't know anything about Black Dutch, but Black Irish is generally understood to be people from Ireland with black hair.
Additionally, many of the earlier Cape Verdean immigrants in New England saw themselves as Portuguese. They were part of the Portuguese Empire. Some were in fact indistinguishable from people from Portugal.
In general, based on what I've read, Cape Verdeans and their U.S.-born children in the first half of the 20th century did not see themselves either as Negroes (the terminology of the time) or as part of the African-American community. It is safe to say that many of them saw themselves as neither black nor white.[/quote]
I would wish for people to start using their own brain and reject confusing and nonsensical explanations that a Black Irish is called Black because of Black hair. This they will also claim from historical persons as Charles II Stuart also known as ‘The Black Boy.’ Some were nicknamed 'Il Moro' but the museums show a White man with just black hair (Sforza). So only Black hair which is highly common among the British cannot explain this pejorative use of ‘Black’ against the Irish. There is a old cartoon somewhere in the internet which shows a African American in profile, next to a Irish immigrant and both show prognatism, albeit the Irish with a lighter form. This is to show that Irish were Black looking to at least this cartoonist.
Do you know where William is? Why hasn’t he, as a cofounder of the onedroprule.org site, show any interest since the 29th of July?
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FOR AGES BLACK PEOPLE WERE CALLED BLUE PEOPLE BY EUROPEANS
Here I have collected some pieces on the internet regarding calling Black people, Blue people. Then I have recently read a newspaper report about a new exposition in Amsterdam : 'Black is Beatiful,' that Blue people show up on Middle Ages images. I'm searching for these. But I have already seen images of this era which show Blacks among the Whites. This supports my understanding of Bleu Blood means Black Blood, which connects with the frequently used dominant image of the Moor in European art, from the Renaissance.
The other explanations what Blue Blood means, posted on the internet, I consider ludicrous!
Egmond Codfried
================================================== Quote: Were there ever any black Vikings?
There were trade routes between Northern Europe and Africa, India and China, so it is very likely that people from all over the world would have visited Scotland. It is also likely that some Northern Europeans would have settled in other parts of the world and some people from Africa, India and other areas would have settled in Northern Europe. Direct evidence of this is rather hard to find, however.
There's a complication in translations of medieval records because a description of someone as "a black man" was used to mean someone with black hair, not black skin. Norse sagas describe Africans as "Blaumenn" (blue men). There are stories of Blaumenn in Dublin and of someone called Kenneth of Niger in Scotland in the 10th Century.
In the middle ages Muslims were considered as bad or even worse than heathens, because they worshipped Muhammad, who was an Antichrist to Christians. There are not many episodes in Heimskringla that concern Muslims, or ‘blámenn’ as they are called in the sagas. King Sigurd Jorsalafar is said to have fought heathens in Spain on his way to Jerusalem. He plundered with his crew on the island of Formentera, where there was a ‘herr mikill heiðinna blámanna’. Sigurd’s men win the battle of course (Msona chs. V-VI). Heimskringla does not mention anything about Muslim beliefs, but obviously there was no need to clarify the evilness of the blámenn to the audience since the word ‘blár’ reveals that these men were very different from the heroic King Sigurd and his men. Even though blár means ‘blue,’ in this case it signifies ‘black.’ These ‘blue men’ lived in Spain or the south Mediterranean. ‘Blámenn’ refers not only to literally black men, but also to Arabs and Moors. The use of the term ‘blámenn’ indicates that the writer wanted to stress that they were of different ethnic origin than the Norse people. We should also remember, too, that in the fornaldarsögur the term ‘blámenn’ refers to earthly creatures of evil (e.g. ‘blámenn ok berserkir’ Lindow, 1995, 13-14). This ethnic implication was probably more important to the intended audience of the saga than any, rightly omitted, information about the religious beliefs of the blámenn.
I'm sure I read that black men were called 'blue men' by the Vikings. Also that some African tribes have no separate words for blue and green, as the differentiation is of no importance in their necessary world-view. However, they can readily recognise the difference when it's pointed out to them. The same as we don't have four hundred words for different aspects of camels, as I'm told Arabs do, only in reverse. If you see what I mean.
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In Magnúss sona saga (ch. 6) King Sigurd makes a journey to the Holy Land. On his way he fights with the “heathen blámenn” on the Spanish Isles of Menorca and Ibiza. These socalled “blue men” in the saga are Moors. The word blár means here ‘black’ and blámenn referred to the inhabitants of Blálönd – Black Lands, which was an undefined, faraway geographical area in the minds of the learned medieval Scandinavians. As the word itself reveals, it was the black skin that mattered. In the fornaldarsögur blámenn were associated with forces of evil. Nevertheless, blámenn referred later not only to black men but also to Moors and Saracens. So, here we have the thin line between the supernatural and ethnically different enemies, which is by no means a deviating feature in the Heimskringla (or in other Old Norse sources).22 As the giants of the Old Norse mythology became the Finnar in historical writings, so did the blámenn of the fornaldarsögur become the enemies of Christianity: black men, Saracens, Moors. As John Lindow has pointed out, it must have been difficult to draw a line between the supernatural and the natural in these contexts. Lindow has also observed that what is striking about the description of strangers and other groups in Nordic tradition are “how closely they resemble attributes of supernatural Ennen ja nyt 4/2004 >>> http://www.ennenjanyt.net/404/ referee/aalto.pdf ================================================ 7 beings”.23 In fact, in the Middle Ages there hardly existed a division between the supernatural and the natural. In people’s minds angels were as real as demons. It is obvious that in the Middle Ages Icelanders and Norwegians must have had a faint understanding of faroff places that they knew only by name: Spain, Sicily, Jerusalem, Byzantium. But it seems that the geographical distance had less importance than religion when regarding the “otherness” of people. Namely, the Christian concept of the world was that it consisted of Christian peoples. Heathens and heretics did not belong to their world: they were outside of Christendom. It seems that this Christian worldview is perceptible also in the Heimskringla, as strangers are those who stand outside the Christian community. These outsiders are described as extremely different. “Otherness” based on ethnic difference does not seem to play a major part in the Heimskringla. In the case of blámenn it is obvious that skin colour that differed from the standard is one factor that makes them different, but I would see the skin colour only as a feature that emphasises that blámenn were evil and enemies of Christianity as were also the Wends. All in all, heathens in the Heimskringla seem to be strangers without any category, which would mean that their degree of difference is digital. ================================================ The True root of Hoy by Blue Man on 27.2.2004 Those mired in the constraints of the modern world, would be hard pressed to allow themselves to believe the truth of the origins of this sacred word- Hoi Hoy, which is most generally spelled Hoi, has a root far earlier than most understand. It has become a greeting associated with those who know the TRUTH of the origins of Man. Ahhh, he must be crazy you say?!. The Hoi greeting is most often traced to seafaring civilizations, who had significant contact with the mammals of the sea. The Hoi Hoi sound is that made by porpoises to communiate (greet) each other. Over time this sound was adopted by Vikings, Scotsman, Polynesians, Islanders, etc. as a Universal Greeting. When the legendary Blue Men (Hoi Gollokai) (Mermaid like creatures- with wizardlike powers of song, luck, art, and creativity)) due to their higher consciousness (like dolphins) left the oceans to return to land, thus beginning their interaction and intermingling with early humans (Cro Magnon). This eventual interbreeding led to lineages far more intelligent with a higher consciousness than existed before. These lineages can be traced to several ancient civilizations, most notably in Scotland and Ireland, where the Galukai came out of the brakish waters of the Lochs. Ancient Scottish castles on the Lochs (, bear some as yet unknown signifiance in this history. Mummified remains of these ancient sea creatures can be found in some museums. I have seen them. "The Luck O the Irish", has a basis in fact, for the redheaded descendants of the Golokai, who came from the sea, eventually mating with humans. If you analyze photography of bluemen, colors, similar to dolphins, and convert them to negatives you get bluegreen. Irish/Scottish redheads, seen in the negative (as in the sea), appear this exact color- bluemen. There also exists other strains of these breedings who came from the polynesian and island peoples. These peoples, some alive today, possibly with the surname Hoy or Hoi, possess qualities of lucidity, creativity, higher consciousness, sensitivity to sound, generally very musical, or artisitic, have a special affinity for the water, and seem to age slowly. Even the Hopi Indians of the SouthWest, who arose from remnants of the Mayans, who knew these secrets, have as one of their deities- The Red Beard LongHair. Shown as a Kachina- he is the spirit who brings the water and rain to the land. Sound farfetched ? I have done my research. New clues from the underwater lost city off the coast of Cuba that has been found, as well as pyramid anomolies in the OceanPacific due West of Oregon/California coast should prove interesting.... Stay tuned. Hoi Hoi has become the international greeting for those with the higher consciousness, yet who stay in the shadows. There may also be a link with sacred Orders such as the FreeMasons... who came from this Old World- New Order.... There are other very interesting parallels, that I don't have time to discuss, relating to a self-perpetuating semantic phenomenon. The The. strange and interesting comparisons to the mathematics of Fractal Chaos theory, and the iterations of equations that create a "Mandelbrot Set" formation... Truth is Stranger than Fiction !! Hoi Hoi !! Long live the Porpoise People ! P.S. The word porpoise comes from Porcus (Pig) + Piscis (Fish)= PigFish... mammal interbred with fish.... sounded with the oi sound that the dolphin makes. Ignorant humanoids descended from simians... enlightened Man descended from sea creatures that returned to the sea after having lived on land, and then rebred with existing mammalian humanoids... BELIEVE... Hoi Hoi !! Some believe in aliens from outer space.... but here on earth is the evidence of the truth from our own oceans !!! ================================================
Their little lecture concerning the relationship between grapheme and phoneme in the Greek and Russian alphabets is hardly more trustworthy. Per says: “We must remember that in both the Greek and Russian alphabets the letters “b” and “v” are identical, and so are “o” and “u”…” (p. 137 our translation). Obviously, they have not understood that one letter can symbolize different sounds in the same or related alphabets. The Russians and the modern Greeks distinguish between b and v and between o and u in both speech and spelling; a fact which the first lesson in any textbook on these languages would have revealed. Even when it comes to Snorri’s own language, the two authors are surprisingly ignorant. When discussing the meaning and location of Bláland (The Blue Land, i.e. the Land of the Blue Men) (pp. 29), they fail to acknowledge that the adjective blár in Old Norse may also mean dark. Their discussions around the meaning of the place-name Svitjod (Old Norse Svífljó›) also end in a total shambles when they introduce a pseudo-Norse explanation which is grammatically impossible (p. 30).
Three key questions arise at this point: What did the very first Norse travelers to North America in fact call the people they met there, well over a century before Ari the Learned penned his history? Did the reference to "Skrælings" occur in the first version of Ari's work, the original of which no longer exists? And what was the word Skræling(j)ar intended to signify?18 18 As handed down through the pertinent medieval literature, the word Skræling(j)ar deliberately conveys small size as the chief characteristic of the native people the Norse met on their voyages farthest west. (From innumerable examples, we know that the names the medieval Norse gave to new people and places were based on what they considered a main characteristic.19) There is also fairly good scholarly agreement that in a literary context, Skræling(j)ar was used pejoratively to indicate puny physical stature—a quality disdained by the medieval Norse. While the word therefore suggests a possible etymological link to the modern Norwegian word skral, used about people or objects in poor condition,20 that linkage is not readily acceptable to linguistic scholars. However, the philologist Kari Ellen Gade proposes that if the word skræling(j)ar was coined orally shortly before its first-time written use in Ari's book, the commonly accepted rules for vowel changes and consonant doubling in Old Norse might not apply.21
19 Examples are the names Leif Eiriksson gave to the three main North American regions he found, and the term blámenn ("blue men") applied to the black people the Norse encountered in North Africa.
JSTOR: Royal Purple of Tyre- [ Vertaal deze pagina ]Negroids and some "Moors" were called "blue-men" in early Irish-Norse Chronicles.36 ..... Purple in the Middle Ages was used for sacred and royal purposes ... links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0022-2968(196304)22%3A2%3C104%3ARPOT%3E2.0.CO%3B2-U - Gelijkwaardige pagina's
================================================== Etymology and definitions
Blueberries.The modern English word blue comes from the Middle English, bleu or blwe, which came from an Old French word bleu of Germanic origin (Frankish or possibly Old High German blao, "shining"). Bleu replaced Old English blaw. The root of these variations was the Proto-Germanic blæwaz, which was also the root of the Old Norse word bla and the modern Icelandic blár, and the Scandinavian word blå, but it can refer to other colours. A Scots and Scottish English word for "blue-grey" is blae, from the Middle English bla ("dark blue," from the Old English blæd). Ancient Greek lacked a word for colour blue and Homer called the colour of the sea "wine dark", except that the word kyanos (cyan) was used for dark blue enamel.
As a curiosity, blue is thought to be cognate with blond, blank and black through the Germanic word. Through a Proto-Indo-European root, it is also linked with Latin flavus ("yellow"; see flavescent and flavine), with Greek phalos (white), French blanc (white, blank) (loaned from Old Frankish), and with Russian белый, belyi ("white," see beluga), and Welsh blawr (grey) all of which derive (according to the American Heritage Dictionary) from the Proto-Indo-European root *bhel- meaning "to shine, flash or burn", (more specifically the word bhle-was, which meant light coloured, blue, blond, or yellow), whence came the names of various bright colours, and that of colour black from a derivation meaning "burnt" (other words derived from the root *bhel- include bleach, bleak, blind, blink, blank, blush, blaze, flame, fulminate, flagrant and phlegm).
In the English language, blue may refer to the feeling of sadness. "He was feeling blue". This is because blue was related to rain, or storms, and in Greek mythology, the god Zeus would make rain when he was sad (crying), and a storm when he was angry. Kyanos was a name used in Ancient Greek to refer to dark blue tile (in English it means blue-green or cyan).[3] The phrase "feeling blue" is linked also to a custom among many old deepwater sailing ships. If the ship lost the captain or any of the officers during its voyage, she would fly blue flags and have a blue band painted along her entire hull when returning to home port. [4]
Many languages do not have separate terms for blue and or green, instead using a cover term for both (when the issue is discussed in linguistics, this cover term is sometimes called grue in English). Blue is commonly used on internet browsers to colour a link that has not been clicked; when a link has been clicked it changes yellow or orange or purple.
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[De Staalmeesters, The Syndics of Style by Rembrand van Rijn]
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quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: But to be honest, some of the black/mulattoes are you cited are . . . questionable. Lot more work and publicity is needed for . . . .
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [qb] ^^
Do you mean to say that you cannot see any black skin or African traits?
Here you have Maurits Huygens, the brother of Constantijn, by Rembrandt. His cousin Christiaan Huygens invented the clock with a sling. The family was black of skin and on top of that had Afrocentric traits. A museum dedicated to this family in Holland does not show Maurits Huygens. At least they see that he looks Black and they do not want to offend their White racist visitors or let us know that the European elite was Black and coloured. look in google for more about the family Huygens.
[Constantijn Huygens, Maurits Huygens brother. I came to regard these kinds of prints as showing coloured skin. There is still one around which shows him as much Blacker. Other portraits show thick, prognastic lips.]
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William Shakespeare
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NOTES ON METHODOLOGY IX THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO PORTRAY A BLACK PERSON
DIANA ROSS
Diana Ross ondergaat nogal veel kleurveranderingen. Zwarte artiesten laten zich witter afbeelden om witte kopers niet af te schrikken met een zwart gezicht op de CD doos. Helaas denken sommige mensen daarom dat zwarten wit zouden willen zijn, wat helemaal niet waar is!Tegelijk kunnen de mensen die met mij meedenken zien dat je, voor het weergeven van etniciteit, niet altijd de huidkleur als donker hoeft weer te geven. Soms volstaan de contouren, de structuur van het haar of de setting. Het kleine Moortje werd in mijn opinie soms gebruikt om de zwarte kleur van de geportretteerde weer te geven. Overigens betekent praten over kleur en kleurverschillen niet meteen discriminatie en plannen voor vergassing. Het kan ook heel grappig zijn. Zwarte mensen wereldwijd hebben zich bijvoorbeeld altijd afgevraagd waarom de dochters van Diana Ross, die indertijd met een witte Joodse Amerikaan was getrouwd, er zo zwart uitzagen, en niet leken op mulatten. Later onthulde zij dat hun vader Berry Gordy was. Weer een mysterie minder!
DIANA ROSS EN DOCHTERS
DIANA ROSS EN BERRY GORDY, MOTOWN BAAS
DIANA ROSS EN VOORMALIGE ECHTGENOOT
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NOTES ON METHODOLOGY X CHANGE OF COLOUR FOR PROPOGANDISTIC PURPOSES
In my research I have stated that political leaders might order portraits which show them of the same color as the people they govern. in Morocco I noticed that King Mohammed VI's face on huge billboards along the roads looks white skinned in the North and brown in the south.
Being ugly and suffering from an inferiority complex, Lorenzo "the Magnificent" the Medici (whom Machiavelli taught how to become more princely by the sly methods of a sneak) had himself portrayed many times and nicknamed "the Magnificent". As a patron of the arts, which at that time were still creative, he built great palaces to incidentally create a halo around his name and thick personality. As you can see by his projecting muzzle, he was an apeish man.
This American research ties in neatly with what I have discovered living in Europe. Namely that someone who was born in Europe (1500-1789) could have been Black and belonged to a Black and coloured nation, defined by me as 'a European fixed mulatto race.' So if Hanson was born in Sweden, and his family was part of the elite, he could have been Black, with Classical African traits as well. In this quote King Gustav Adolf is mentioned. Perhaps Gustav III or his son Gustav IV Adolf. J.R. Rogers wrote about Gustav IV's African looks in 'Sex and Race' (1941). It's a pity that site as these are not visited by the truly informed so we could exchange information, and make progress.
Egmond Codfried
quote: He was the heir of one of the greatest family traditions in the colonies and became the patriarch of a long line of American patriots – his great-grandfather died at Lutzen beside the great King Gustavus Aldophus of Sweden; his grandfather was one of the founders of New Sweden along the Delaware River in Maryland; one of his nephews was the military secretary to George Washington; another was a signer of the Declaration; still another was a signer of the Constitution; yet another was Governor of Maryland during the Revolution; and still another was a member of the first Congress; two sons were killed in action with the Continental Army; a grandson served as a member of Congress under the new Constitution; and another grandson was a Maryland Senator. Thus, even if Hanson had not served as President himself, he would have greatly contributed to the life of the nation through his ancestry and progeny.
As a youngster he began a self-guided reading of classics and rather quickly became an acknowledged expert in the juridicalism of Anselm and the practical philosophy of Seneca – both of which were influential in the development of the political philosophy of the great leaders of the Reformation. It was based upon these legal and theological studies that the young planter – his farm, Mulberry Grove was just across the Potomac from Mount Vernon – began to espouse the cause of the patriots.
In 1775 he was elected to the Provincial Legislature of Maryland. Then in 1777, he became a member of Congress where he distinguished himself as a brilliant administrator. Thus, he was elected President in 1781. Was John Hanson the first President of the United States?
The new country was actually formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. This document was actually proposed on June 11, 1776, but not agreed upon by Congress until November 15, 1777. Maryland refused to sign this document until Virginia and New York ceded their western lands (Maryland was afraid that these states would gain too much power in the new government from such large amounts of land). Once the signing took place in 1781, a President was needed to run the country. John Hanson was chosen unanimously by Congress (which included George Washington). In fact, all the other potential candidates refused to run against him, as he was a major player in the Revolution and an extremely influential member of Congress.
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ABOUT JOHN HANSON, AMERICA'S FIRST PRESIDENT
This American research ties in neatly with what I have discovered living in Europe. Namely that someone who was born in Europe (1500-1789) could have been Black and belonged to a Black and coloured nation, defined by me as 'a European fixed mulatto race.' So if Hanson was born in Sweden, and his family was part of the elite, he could have been Black, with Classical African traits as well. In this quote King Gustav Adolf is mentioned. Perhaps Gustav III or his son Gustav IV Adolf. J.R. Rogers wrote about Gustav IV's African looks in 'Sex and Race' (1941). It's a pity that site's as these are not visited by the truly informed so we could exchange information, and make real progress.
Egmond Codfried
quote: He was the heir of one of the greatest family traditions in the colonies and became the patriarch of a long line of American patriots – his great-grandfather died at Lutzen beside the great King Gustavus Aldophus of Sweden; his grandfather was one of the founders of New Sweden along the Delaware River in Maryland; one of his nephews was the military secretary to George Washington; another was a signer of the Declaration; still another was a signer of the Constitution; yet another was Governor of Maryland during the Revolution; and still another was a member of the first Congress; two sons were killed in action with the Continental Army; a grandson served as a member of Congress under the new Constitution; and another grandson was a Maryland Senator. Thus, even if Hanson had not served as President himself, he would have greatly contributed to the life of the nation through his ancestry and progeny.
As a youngster he began a self-guided reading of classics and rather quickly became an acknowledged expert in the juridicalism of Anselm and the practical philosophy of Seneca – both of which were influential in the development of the political philosophy of the great leaders of the Reformation. It was based upon these legal and theological studies that the young planter – his farm, Mulberry Grove was just across the Potomac from Mount Vernon – began to espouse the cause of the patriots.
In 1775 he was elected to the Provincial Legislature of Maryland. Then in 1777, he became a member of Congress where he distinguished himself as a brilliant administrator. Thus, he was elected President in 1781. Was John Hanson the first President of the United States?
The new country was actually formed on March 1, 1781 with the adoption of The Articles of Confederation. This document was actually proposed on June 11, 1776, but not agreed upon by Congress until November 15, 1777. Maryland refused to sign this document until Virginia and New York ceded their western lands (Maryland was afraid that these states would gain too much power in the new government from such large amounts of land). Once the signing took place in 1781, a President was needed to run the country. John Hanson was chosen unanimously by Congress (which included George Washington). In fact, all the other potential candidates refused to run against him, as he was a major player in the Revolution and an extremely influential member of Congress.
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JOHN HANSON, AMERICA'S FIRST PRESIDENT
Like with the Black and Coloured people I have identified I see that there are also 'fake' and 'whitened' portraits of John Hanson in use to confuse the matter.
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quote:Originally posted by Hori:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Do you have proof of this?
BTW- are you referring to me on the offensive stuff?? Don't get the remark
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Quote: from EC Still I have to point out that both Voltaire and Rousseau, who are considered fathers of the French Revolution, to be Black man.
Good. And the fathers of "The New Revolution" will be black men too .
You know me too well - from over a year working together and 2 years running damn-near cointelpro surveillance on me online - that I'm all about justice (for *ALL*).
When I put the noose around your war criminals who you call "leaders" (who are currently TERRORISING the world), I will remember the "true name" of the Black Man who on this site, showed me my errors .
Nuff said.
I don't know who you think you are... But you better think about keeping the rope from going around your neck....,
Then again.. I think a bullet is cost affective.... CHECK YOUR ATTITUDE AT THE STORMFRONT DOOR OR GET THE HELL OUT HERE!...
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SELFPORTRAIT
Jan van Vliet naar Rembrandt, Zelfportret, 1634, ets en burijn, 22,5 x 19 cm., Amsterdam, Museum Het Rembrandthuis Rechtsboven het opschrift JG v. vliet fec. 1634, linksboven staat het monogram van Rembrandt en de toevoeging inventor
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Lorenzo de Medici, described as 'dark and swarthy, with a flattened nose.' I also see a medium subnasal prognasty. Posted by Afrosaxon (Member # 15871) on :
these are invalueable notes egmond,thank you for this research,we cannot expect anyone to give or tell us our history in europe or the us,they have no obligation too.
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quote:Originally posted by Afrosaxon: these are invalueable notes egmond,thank you for this research,we cannot expect anyone to give or tell us our history in europe or the us,they have no obligation too.
Thank you for your kind word's. Let's lay the foundation for future studies. Most of the material has been kept out of reach, but we can learn a lot from what they háve to show. So yesterday I was just looking in some popular history books about Louis XIII and XIV, and boy, how many black portraits, prints, gobelins.
As they have indoctrinated Europeans that there were no Blacks in the elite, people will stumble on prints and just show them on the web, not realizing it shows black skin. Or they have these horrible theories about 'true blacks' so if the person seems narrownosed and narrowskulled, well then he is white. Yet still cautioning against 'eye-balling' which they themselves do all the time.
Regarding your nick. I find Saxony, Germany another center of Black Europeans and Black kings. I think of the portrait of Frederick the Wise. Something about his looks! But what they have done is eliminate true black portraits and kept the 'in between' one's. Still there are at least four or five which I had selected as very Black, and are now eliminated from the web. They are busy telling us there were no Black nobles or Kings, yet they are eliminating some portraits from the web.
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Frederick the Wise of Saxony (1486-1525)
[with his brothers'?]
[By Albrecht Dürer. Whitened?]
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Frederic the Wise (m) and his brothers (?)
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Robert Deveraux
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Marriage portret: Ferdinand and Isabella. Whitened?
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General Monck
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quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
General Monck, Earl of Albemarle
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[Gerard van Velzen]
quote: Laten wij met het laatste punt beginnen. Wat impliceert het, wanneer Gijsbert van Amstel de gevangen graaf als toppunt van zijn verwijten toevoegt, dat hij ‘Eelmans eer’ gedood heeft. Geheel in overeenstemming met de eisen van het genre speelt de Geeraerdt van Velsen in de hoogste kringen. Overigens niet verwonderlijk, in een wereld van hiërarchisch denken; zowel in kosmisch als maatschappelijk opzicht, kon men niet anders dan zijn hoogste idealen projecteren in de aanzienlijkste personen, evenals ook hun val het meest schokkend was. Geeraerdt van Velsen is een edelman, hij is ook een ridder, hij behoort tot de ‘grooten’, onder wie Floris de primus inter pares is. Ook Velsens schoonvader Harman van Woerden en hun neef Gijsbert van Amstel behoren tot diezelfde groep van voorname edelen. Machtelt, de vrouw van Geeraerdt van Velsen, dochter van Harman van Woerden, is een edelvrouwe. Zij zijn de belangrijkste handelende personen.
quote: 1. Florida and The European Encounter Bestandsformaat: Microsoft Powerpoint - HTML-versie These Conquistadors wanted to exterminate all of the natives of the island for .... another Spaniard named Oviedo and the huge Morrocon Negro, Estivanico, ...
IT’S MY CONTENTION THAT EUROPE WAS RULED BY A BLACK AND COLOURED ELITE (1500-1789). THEY WERE A FIXED MULATTO RACE. TODAY WE ARE SHOWN WHITENED FAKES OR PORTRAITS WHICH ARE JUST IN BETWEEN.
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More information about European Blacks, provided by Marc Washington, the Blue Men(500-1500) who were the ancestors of the strictly intermarriying Blue Blood's: the European Kings and Nobles (1500-1789. Mention is made of Charlotte Sophie as showing her Wendel blood in her face. Charles X of Sweden was also King of the Wendels. He looks very mixed African on some portraits.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: FOR AGES BLACK PEOPLE WERE CALLED BLUE PEOPLE BY EUROPEANS
Here I have collected some pieces on the internet regarding calling Black people, Blue people. Then I have recently read a newspaper report about a new exposition in Amsterdam : 'Black is Beatiful,' that Blue people show up on Middle Ages images. I'm searching for these. But I have already seen images of this era which show Blacks among the Whites. This supports my understanding of Bleu Blood means Black Blood, which connects with the frequently used dominant image of the Moor in European art, from the Renaissance.
The other explanations what Blue Blood means, posted on the internet, I consider ludicrous!
Egmond Codfried
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There were trade routes between Northern Europe and Africa, India and China, so it is very likely that people from all over the world would have visited Scotland. It is also likely that some Northern Europeans would have settled in other parts of the world and some people from Africa, India and other areas would have settled in Northern Europe. Direct evidence of this is rather hard to find, however.
There's a complication in translations of medieval records because a description of someone as "a black man" was used to mean someone with black hair, not black skin. Norse sagas describe Africans as "Blaumenn" (blue men). There are stories of Blaumenn in Dublin and of someone called Kenneth of Niger in Scotland in the 10th Century.
In the middle ages Muslims were considered as bad or even worse than heathens, because they worshipped Muhammad, who was an Antichrist to Christians. There are not many episodes in Heimskringla that concern Muslims, or ‘blámenn’ as they are called in the sagas. King Sigurd Jorsalafar is said to have fought heathens in Spain on his way to Jerusalem. He plundered with his crew on the island of Formentera, where there was a ‘herr mikill heiðinna blámanna’. Sigurd’s men win the battle of course (Msona chs. V-VI). Heimskringla does not mention anything about Muslim beliefs, but obviously there was no need to clarify the evilness of the blámenn to the audience since the word ‘blár’ reveals that these men were very different from the heroic King Sigurd and his men. Even though blár means ‘blue,’ in this case it signifies ‘black.’ These ‘blue men’ lived in Spain or the south Mediterranean. ‘Blámenn’ refers not only to literally black men, but also to Arabs and Moors. The use of the term ‘blámenn’ indicates that the writer wanted to stress that they were of different ethnic origin than the Norse people. We should also remember, too, that in the fornaldarsögur the term ‘blámenn’ refers to earthly creatures of evil (e.g. ‘blámenn ok berserkir’ Lindow, 1995, 13-14). This ethnic implication was probably more important to the intended audience of the saga than any, rightly omitted, information about the religious beliefs of the blámenn.
I'm sure I read that black men were called 'blue men' by the Vikings. Also that some African tribes have no separate words for blue and green, as the differentiation is of no importance in their necessary world-view. However, they can readily recognise the difference when it's pointed out to them. The same as we don't have four hundred words for different aspects of camels, as I'm told Arabs do, only in reverse. If you see what I mean.
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In Magnúss sona saga (ch. 6) King Sigurd makes a journey to the Holy Land. On his way he fights with the “heathen blámenn” on the Spanish Isles of Menorca and Ibiza. These socalled “blue men” in the saga are Moors. The word blár means here ‘black’ and blámenn referred to the inhabitants of Blálönd – Black Lands, which was an undefined, faraway geographical area in the minds of the learned medieval Scandinavians. As the word itself reveals, it was the black skin that mattered. In the fornaldarsögur blámenn were associated with forces of evil. Nevertheless, blámenn referred later not only to black men but also to Moors and Saracens. So, here we have the thin line between the supernatural and ethnically different enemies, which is by no means a deviating feature in the Heimskringla (or in other Old Norse sources).22 As the giants of the Old Norse mythology became the Finnar in historical writings, so did the blámenn of the fornaldarsögur become the enemies of Christianity: black men, Saracens, Moors. As John Lindow has pointed out, it must have been difficult to draw a line between the supernatural and the natural in these contexts. Lindow has also observed that what is striking about the description of strangers and other groups in Nordic tradition are “how closely they resemble attributes of supernatural Ennen ja nyt 4/2004 >>> http://www.ennenjanyt.net/404/ referee/aalto.pdf ================================================ 7 beings”.23 In fact, in the Middle Ages there hardly existed a division between the supernatural and the natural. In people’s minds angels were as real as demons. It is obvious that in the Middle Ages Icelanders and Norwegians must have had a faint understanding of faroff places that they knew only by name: Spain, Sicily, Jerusalem, Byzantium. But it seems that the geographical distance had less importance than religion when regarding the “otherness” of people. Namely, the Christian concept of the world was that it consisted of Christian peoples. Heathens and heretics did not belong to their world: they were outside of Christendom. It seems that this Christian worldview is perceptible also in the Heimskringla, as strangers are those who stand outside the Christian community. These outsiders are described as extremely different. “Otherness” based on ethnic difference does not seem to play a major part in the Heimskringla. In the case of blámenn it is obvious that skin colour that differed from the standard is one factor that makes them different, but I would see the skin colour only as a feature that emphasises that blámenn were evil and enemies of Christianity as were also the Wends. All in all, heathens in the Heimskringla seem to be strangers without any category, which would mean that their degree of difference is digital. ================================================ The True root of Hoy by Blue Man on 27.2.2004 Those mired in the constraints of the modern world, would be hard pressed to allow themselves to believe the truth of the origins of this sacred word- Hoi Hoy, which is most generally spelled Hoi, has a root far earlier than most understand. It has become a greeting associated with those who know the TRUTH of the origins of Man. Ahhh, he must be crazy you say?!. The Hoi greeting is most often traced to seafaring civilizations, who had significant contact with the mammals of the sea. The Hoi Hoi sound is that made by porpoises to communiate (greet) each other. Over time this sound was adopted by Vikings, Scotsman, Polynesians, Islanders, etc. as a Universal Greeting. When the legendary Blue Men (Hoi Gollokai) (Mermaid like creatures- with wizardlike powers of song, luck, art, and creativity)) due to their higher consciousness (like dolphins) left the oceans to return to land, thus beginning their interaction and intermingling with early humans (Cro Magnon). This eventual interbreeding led to lineages far more intelligent with a higher consciousness than existed before. These lineages can be traced to several ancient civilizations, most notably in Scotland and Ireland, where the Galukai came out of the brakish waters of the Lochs. Ancient Scottish castles on the Lochs (, bear some as yet unknown signifiance in this history. Mummified remains of these ancient sea creatures can be found in some museums. I have seen them. "The Luck O the Irish", has a basis in fact, for the redheaded descendants of the Golokai, who came from the sea, eventually mating with humans. If you analyze photography of bluemen, colors, similar to dolphins, and convert them to negatives you get bluegreen. Irish/Scottish redheads, seen in the negative (as in the sea), appear this exact color- bluemen. There also exists other strains of these breedings who came from the polynesian and island peoples. These peoples, some alive today, possibly with the surname Hoy or Hoi, possess qualities of lucidity, creativity, higher consciousness, sensitivity to sound, generally very musical, or artisitic, have a special affinity for the water, and seem to age slowly. Even the Hopi Indians of the SouthWest, who arose from remnants of the Mayans, who knew these secrets, have as one of their deities- The Red Beard LongHair. Shown as a Kachina- he is the spirit who brings the water and rain to the land. Sound farfetched ? I have done my research. New clues from the underwater lost city off the coast of Cuba that has been found, as well as pyramid anomolies in the OceanPacific due West of Oregon/California coast should prove interesting.... Stay tuned. Hoi Hoi has become the international greeting for those with the higher consciousness, yet who stay in the shadows. There may also be a link with sacred Orders such as the FreeMasons... who came from this Old World- New Order.... There are other very interesting parallels, that I don't have time to discuss, relating to a self-perpetuating semantic phenomenon. The The. strange and interesting comparisons to the mathematics of Fractal Chaos theory, and the iterations of equations that create a "Mandelbrot Set" formation... Truth is Stranger than Fiction !! Hoi Hoi !! Long live the Porpoise People ! P.S. The word porpoise comes from Porcus (Pig) + Piscis (Fish)= PigFish... mammal interbred with fish.... sounded with the oi sound that the dolphin makes. Ignorant humanoids descended from simians... enlightened Man descended from sea creatures that returned to the sea after having lived on land, and then rebred with existing mammalian humanoids... BELIEVE... Hoi Hoi !! Some believe in aliens from outer space.... but here on earth is the evidence of the truth from our own oceans !!! ================================================
Their little lecture concerning the relationship between grapheme and phoneme in the Greek and Russian alphabets is hardly more trustworthy. Per says: “We must remember that in both the Greek and Russian alphabets the letters “b” and “v” are identical, and so are “o” and “u”…” (p. 137 our translation). Obviously, they have not understood that one letter can symbolize different sounds in the same or related alphabets. The Russians and the modern Greeks distinguish between b and v and between o and u in both speech and spelling; a fact which the first lesson in any textbook on these languages would have revealed. Even when it comes to Snorri’s own language, the two authors are surprisingly ignorant. When discussing the meaning and location of Bláland (The Blue Land, i.e. the Land of the Blue Men) (pp. 29), they fail to acknowledge that the adjective blár in Old Norse may also mean dark. Their discussions around the meaning of the place-name Svitjod (Old Norse Svífljó›) also end in a total shambles when they introduce a pseudo-Norse explanation which is grammatically impossible (p. 30).
Three key questions arise at this point: What did the very first Norse travelers to North America in fact call the people they met there, well over a century before Ari the Learned penned his history? Did the reference to "Skrælings" occur in the first version of Ari's work, the original of which no longer exists? And what was the word Skræling(j)ar intended to signify?18 18 As handed down through the pertinent medieval literature, the word Skræling(j)ar deliberately conveys small size as the chief characteristic of the native people the Norse met on their voyages farthest west. (From innumerable examples, we know that the names the medieval Norse gave to new people and places were based on what they considered a main characteristic.19) There is also fairly good scholarly agreement that in a literary context, Skræling(j)ar was used pejoratively to indicate puny physical stature—a quality disdained by the medieval Norse. While the word therefore suggests a possible etymological link to the modern Norwegian word skral, used about people or objects in poor condition,20 that linkage is not readily acceptable to linguistic scholars. However, the philologist Kari Ellen Gade proposes that if the word skræling(j)ar was coined orally shortly before its first-time written use in Ari's book, the commonly accepted rules for vowel changes and consonant doubling in Old Norse might not apply.21
19 Examples are the names Leif Eiriksson gave to the three main North American regions he found, and the term blámenn ("blue men") applied to the black people the Norse encountered in North Africa.
JSTOR: Royal Purple of Tyre- [ Vertaal deze pagina ]Negroids and some "Moors" were called "blue-men" in early Irish-Norse Chronicles.36 ..... Purple in the Middle Ages was used for sacred and royal purposes ... links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0022-2968(196304)22%3A2%3C104%3ARPOT%3E2.0.CO%3B2-U - Gelijkwaardige pagina's
================================================== Etymology and definitions
Blueberries.The modern English word blue comes from the Middle English, bleu or blwe, which came from an Old French word bleu of Germanic origin (Frankish or possibly Old High German blao, "shining"). Bleu replaced Old English blaw. The root of these variations was the Proto-Germanic blæwaz, which was also the root of the Old Norse word bla and the modern Icelandic blár, and the Scandinavian word blå, but it can refer to other colours. A Scots and Scottish English word for "blue-grey" is blae, from the Middle English bla ("dark blue," from the Old English blæd). Ancient Greek lacked a word for colour blue and Homer called the colour of the sea "wine dark", except that the word kyanos (cyan) was used for dark blue enamel.
As a curiosity, blue is thought to be cognate with blond, blank and black through the Germanic word. Through a Proto-Indo-European root, it is also linked with Latin flavus ("yellow"; see flavescent and flavine), with Greek phalos (white), French blanc (white, blank) (loaned from Old Frankish), and with Russian белый, belyi ("white," see beluga), and Welsh blawr (grey) all of which derive (according to the American Heritage Dictionary) from the Proto-Indo-European root *bhel- meaning "to shine, flash or burn", (more specifically the word bhle-was, which meant light coloured, blue, blond, or yellow), whence came the names of various bright colours, and that of colour black from a derivation meaning "burnt" (other words derived from the root *bhel- include bleach, bleak, blind, blink, blank, blush, blaze, flame, fulminate, flagrant and phlegm).
In the English language, blue may refer to the feeling of sadness. "He was feeling blue". This is because blue was related to rain, or storms, and in Greek mythology, the god Zeus would make rain when he was sad (crying), and a storm when he was angry. Kyanos was a name used in Ancient Greek to refer to dark blue tile (in English it means blue-green or cyan).[3] The phrase "feeling blue" is linked also to a custom among many old deepwater sailing ships. If the ship lost the captain or any of the officers during its voyage, she would fly blue flags and have a blue band painted along her entire hull when returning to home port. [4]
Many languages do not have separate terms for blue and or green, instead using a cover term for both (when the issue is discussed in linguistics, this cover term is sometimes called grue in English). Blue is commonly used on internet browsers to colour a link that has not been clicked; when a link has been clicked it changes yellow or orange or purple.
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[Whitened?]
Francesco II Gonzaga, Marquess of Mantua From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Portrait of Francesco II Gonzaga in the Uffizi, Florence.Francesco II (or IV) Gonzaga (10 August 1466 – March 29, 1519) was the ruler of the Italian city of Mantua from 1484 until his death
[Van der Helst: Daughter of Jan Vos? Also known as A woman celebrating wine]
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ANNE DUCHESS OF ALBEMARLE FROM ROUGH BEGINNINGS!
Duchess of Albemarle Born 1616 Died 1670 Anne Clarges was the daughter of a farrier in the Strand named John Clarges and made her living selling perfume and wash balls, as well through occasional employment as a seamstress at the Tower of London. It was at the Tower that she made the acquaintance of one George Monck, whilst he was suffering a term of imprisonment there in 1646. George Monck was a professional soldier who had been imprisoned by Parliament for serving in the Royalist army (the English Civil War was raging at the time) but was released later in 1646, once he'd agreed to serve in the Parliamentary army in Ireland. George and Anne then lived togther for a number of years and were later married on the 23rd January 1653, for reasons that soon became evident as Anne gave birth to a son named Christopher seven months later. George was later to earn his place in history when he became the architect of the Restoration of the Monarchy, after which a grateful Charles II made him Duke of Albemarle and appointed him Commander-in-Chief of the British Army. From humble beginings Anne thus became the Duchess of Albemarle, although quite what George saw in her has puzzled many. Samuel Pepys, who was personally acquainted with her, described her as "a plain, homely dowdy" and "a damned ill-looking woman", whilst noting her complaints regarding the frequent absences of her husband abroad fighting the Dutch, when she would much rather he had a safe position as an ambassador. Although as far as some were concerned being plain was the least of her sins. Known in her earlier life as 'Dirty Bess' she appears to have supplemented her income with a little prostitution on the side. Pepys recorded the opinion of his patron the Earl of Sandwich, who spoke of her as "the veryest slut and drudge and the foulest worde that can be spoken of a woman almost", and the Earl of Clarendon was scarcely less complimentary when he felt moved to record his opinion of her as "a woman of the lowest extraction, the least wit and the less beauty". Thus Society regarded the working-class duchess with disdain, called her the 'monkey Duchess' and accused her of greed. But there is no reason of course, for us to be so harsh on poor Anne. We should remember that when she first took up with George in 1646, she had no particular reason for supposing that he would turn out to be anything other than a mere soldier. George Monck himself left no personal testimony regarding his feelings on the matter, but he appears to have been quite happy with Anne and remained faithful to her during their twenty or more years together. We can only hazard a guess that perhaps 'Dirty Bess' had learnt one or two tricks of the trade that kept him interested over the years. George eventually died on the 3rd January 1670 and Anne followed him just over three weeks later on the 29th January. It is a tempting, if sentimental conclusion, to imagine that perhaps she didn't want to live without him.
It looks like Michelangelo has a good number of enraptured admirers on the internet. A master at sculpting male beauty, he should have been one himself, his fans often conclude.
"There is a part of me that wishes I could zap myself back to the early 16th century and court him," Carly Grinnel writes in her blog after having seen the David sculpture in person. Oh, Michelangelo must have been freaking hot, Carly concludes.
I'm afraid she would have been terribly disappointed had she really zapped back to her 16th century blind date.
Michelangelo was an ugly and rather unclean man.
According to a series of rare, contemporary portraits and writings on show in Florence , Michelangelo had small eyes, large ears, thin lips and a forked, thin beard.
Disfigured at age 17 when a fellow student smashed his nose, he likely smelled terribly bad.
According to an unmerciful description by the 16th century painter and art historian Giorgio Vasari, "he wore stockings of dogskin constantly for months together, so that when he took them off the skin of the leg often came away with them."
Oh well, genius is genius.
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To revive the thread
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: FOR AGES BLACK PEOPLE WERE CALLED BLUE PEOPLE BY EUROPEANS
Here I have collected some pieces on the internet regarding calling Black people, Blue people. Then I have recently read a newspaper report about a new exposition in Amsterdam : 'Black is Beatiful,' that Blue people show up on Middle Ages images. I'm searching for these. But I have already seen images of this era which show Blacks among the Whites. This supports my understanding of Bleu Blood means Black Blood, which connects with the frequently used dominant image of the Moor in European art, from the Renaissance.
The other explanations what Blue Blood means, posted on the internet, I consider ludicrous!
Egmond Codfried
================================================== Quote: Were there ever any black Vikings?
There were trade routes between Northern Europe and Africa, India and China, so it is very likely that people from all over the world would have visited Scotland. It is also likely that some Northern Europeans would have settled in other parts of the world and some people from Africa, India and other areas would have settled in Northern Europe. Direct evidence of this is rather hard to find, however.
There's a complication in translations of medieval records because a description of someone as "a black man" was used to mean someone with black hair, not black skin. Norse sagas describe Africans as "Blaumenn" (blue men). There are stories of Blaumenn in Dublin and of someone called Kenneth of Niger in Scotland in the 10th Century.
In the middle ages Muslims were considered as bad or even worse than heathens, because they worshipped Muhammad, who was an Antichrist to Christians. There are not many episodes in Heimskringla that concern Muslims, or ‘blámenn’ as they are called in the sagas. King Sigurd Jorsalafar is said to have fought heathens in Spain on his way to Jerusalem. He plundered with his crew on the island of Formentera, where there was a ‘herr mikill heiðinna blámanna’. Sigurd’s men win the battle of course (Msona chs. V-VI). Heimskringla does not mention anything about Muslim beliefs, but obviously there was no need to clarify the evilness of the blámenn to the audience since the word ‘blár’ reveals that these men were very different from the heroic King Sigurd and his men. Even though blár means ‘blue,’ in this case it signifies ‘black.’ These ‘blue men’ lived in Spain or the south Mediterranean. ‘Blámenn’ refers not only to literally black men, but also to Arabs and Moors. The use of the term ‘blámenn’ indicates that the writer wanted to stress that they were of different ethnic origin than the Norse people. We should also remember, too, that in the fornaldarsögur the term ‘blámenn’ refers to earthly creatures of evil (e.g. ‘blámenn ok berserkir’ Lindow, 1995, 13-14). This ethnic implication was probably more important to the intended audience of the saga than any, rightly omitted, information about the religious beliefs of the blámenn.
I'm sure I read that black men were called 'blue men' by the Vikings. Also that some African tribes have no separate words for blue and green, as the differentiation is of no importance in their necessary world-view. However, they can readily recognise the difference when it's pointed out to them. The same as we don't have four hundred words for different aspects of camels, as I'm told Arabs do, only in reverse. If you see what I mean.
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In Magnúss sona saga (ch. 6) King Sigurd makes a journey to the Holy Land. On his way he fights with the “heathen blámenn” on the Spanish Isles of Menorca and Ibiza. These socalled “blue men” in the saga are Moors. The word blár means here ‘black’ and blámenn referred to the inhabitants of Blálönd – Black Lands, which was an undefined, faraway geographical area in the minds of the learned medieval Scandinavians. As the word itself reveals, it was the black skin that mattered. In the fornaldarsögur blámenn were associated with forces of evil. Nevertheless, blámenn referred later not only to black men but also to Moors and Saracens. So, here we have the thin line between the supernatural and ethnically different enemies, which is by no means a deviating feature in the Heimskringla (or in other Old Norse sources).22 As the giants of the Old Norse mythology became the Finnar in historical writings, so did the blámenn of the fornaldarsögur become the enemies of Christianity: black men, Saracens, Moors. As John Lindow has pointed out, it must have been difficult to draw a line between the supernatural and the natural in these contexts. Lindow has also observed that what is striking about the description of strangers and other groups in Nordic tradition are “how closely they resemble attributes of supernatural Ennen ja nyt 4/2004 >>> http://www.ennenjanyt.net/404/ referee/aalto.pdf ================================================ 7 beings”.23 In fact, in the Middle Ages there hardly existed a division between the supernatural and the natural. In people’s minds angels were as real as demons. It is obvious that in the Middle Ages Icelanders and Norwegians must have had a faint understanding of faroff places that they knew only by name: Spain, Sicily, Jerusalem, Byzantium. But it seems that the geographical distance had less importance than religion when regarding the “otherness” of people. Namely, the Christian concept of the world was that it consisted of Christian peoples. Heathens and heretics did not belong to their world: they were outside of Christendom. It seems that this Christian worldview is perceptible also in the Heimskringla, as strangers are those who stand outside the Christian community. These outsiders are described as extremely different. “Otherness” based on ethnic difference does not seem to play a major part in the Heimskringla. In the case of blámenn it is obvious that skin colour that differed from the standard is one factor that makes them different, but I would see the skin colour only as a feature that emphasises that blámenn were evil and enemies of Christianity as were also the Wends. All in all, heathens in the Heimskringla seem to be strangers without any category, which would mean that their degree of difference is digital. ================================================ The True root of Hoy by Blue Man on 27.2.2004 Those mired in the constraints of the modern world, would be hard pressed to allow themselves to believe the truth of the origins of this sacred word- Hoi Hoy, which is most generally spelled Hoi, has a root far earlier than most understand. It has become a greeting associated with those who know the TRUTH of the origins of Man. Ahhh, he must be crazy you say?!. The Hoi greeting is most often traced to seafaring civilizations, who had significant contact with the mammals of the sea. The Hoi Hoi sound is that made by porpoises to communiate (greet) each other. Over time this sound was adopted by Vikings, Scotsman, Polynesians, Islanders, etc. as a Universal Greeting. When the legendary Blue Men (Hoi Gollokai) (Mermaid like creatures- with wizardlike powers of song, luck, art, and creativity)) due to their higher consciousness (like dolphins) left the oceans to return to land, thus beginning their interaction and intermingling with early humans (Cro Magnon). This eventual interbreeding led to lineages far more intelligent with a higher consciousness than existed before. These lineages can be traced to several ancient civilizations, most notably in Scotland and Ireland, where the Galukai came out of the brakish waters of the Lochs. Ancient Scottish castles on the Lochs (, bear some as yet unknown signifiance in this history. Mummified remains of these ancient sea creatures can be found in some museums. I have seen them. "The Luck O the Irish", has a basis in fact, for the redheaded descendants of the Golokai, who came from the sea, eventually mating with humans. If you analyze photography of bluemen, colors, similar to dolphins, and convert them to negatives you get bluegreen. Irish/Scottish redheads, seen in the negative (as in the sea), appear this exact color- bluemen. There also exists other strains of these breedings who came from the polynesian and island peoples. These peoples, some alive today, possibly with the surname Hoy or Hoi, possess qualities of lucidity, creativity, higher consciousness, sensitivity to sound, generally very musical, or artisitic, have a special affinity for the water, and seem to age slowly. Even the Hopi Indians of the SouthWest, who arose from remnants of the Mayans, who knew these secrets, have as one of their deities- The Red Beard LongHair. Shown as a Kachina- he is the spirit who brings the water and rain to the land. Sound farfetched ? I have done my research. New clues from the underwater lost city off the coast of Cuba that has been found, as well as pyramid anomolies in the OceanPacific due West of Oregon/California coast should prove interesting.... Stay tuned. Hoi Hoi has become the international greeting for those with the higher consciousness, yet who stay in the shadows. There may also be a link with sacred Orders such as the FreeMasons... who came from this Old World- New Order.... There are other very interesting parallels, that I don't have time to discuss, relating to a self-perpetuating semantic phenomenon. The The. strange and interesting comparisons to the mathematics of Fractal Chaos theory, and the iterations of equations that create a "Mandelbrot Set" formation... Truth is Stranger than Fiction !! Hoi Hoi !! Long live the Porpoise People ! P.S. The word porpoise comes from Porcus (Pig) + Piscis (Fish)= PigFish... mammal interbred with fish.... sounded with the oi sound that the dolphin makes. Ignorant humanoids descended from simians... enlightened Man descended from sea creatures that returned to the sea after having lived on land, and then rebred with existing mammalian humanoids... BELIEVE... Hoi Hoi !! Some believe in aliens from outer space.... but here on earth is the evidence of the truth from our own oceans !!! ================================================
Their little lecture concerning the relationship between grapheme and phoneme in the Greek and Russian alphabets is hardly more trustworthy. Per says: “We must remember that in both the Greek and Russian alphabets the letters “b” and “v” are identical, and so are “o” and “u”…” (p. 137 our translation). Obviously, they have not understood that one letter can symbolize different sounds in the same or related alphabets. The Russians and the modern Greeks distinguish between b and v and between o and u in both speech and spelling; a fact which the first lesson in any textbook on these languages would have revealed. Even when it comes to Snorri’s own language, the two authors are surprisingly ignorant. When discussing the meaning and location of Bláland (The Blue Land, i.e. the Land of the Blue Men) (pp. 29), they fail to acknowledge that the adjective blár in Old Norse may also mean dark. Their discussions around the meaning of the place-name Svitjod (Old Norse Svífljó›) also end in a total shambles when they introduce a pseudo-Norse explanation which is grammatically impossible (p. 30).
Three key questions arise at this point: What did the very first Norse travelers to North America in fact call the people they met there, well over a century before Ari the Learned penned his history? Did the reference to "Skrælings" occur in the first version of Ari's work, the original of which no longer exists? And what was the word Skræling(j)ar intended to signify?18 18 As handed down through the pertinent medieval literature, the word Skræling(j)ar deliberately conveys small size as the chief characteristic of the native people the Norse met on their voyages farthest west. (From innumerable examples, we know that the names the medieval Norse gave to new people and places were based on what they considered a main characteristic.19) There is also fairly good scholarly agreement that in a literary context, Skræling(j)ar was used pejoratively to indicate puny physical stature—a quality disdained by the medieval Norse. While the word therefore suggests a possible etymological link to the modern Norwegian word skral, used about people or objects in poor condition,20 that linkage is not readily acceptable to linguistic scholars. However, the philologist Kari Ellen Gade proposes that if the word skræling(j)ar was coined orally shortly before its first-time written use in Ari's book, the commonly accepted rules for vowel changes and consonant doubling in Old Norse might not apply.21
19 Examples are the names Leif Eiriksson gave to the three main North American regions he found, and the term blámenn ("blue men") applied to the black people the Norse encountered in North Africa.
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Blueberries.The modern English word blue comes from the Middle English, bleu or blwe, which came from an Old French word bleu of Germanic origin (Frankish or possibly Old High German blao, "shining"). Bleu replaced Old English blaw. The root of these variations was the Proto-Germanic blæwaz, which was also the root of the Old Norse word bla and the modern Icelandic blár, and the Scandinavian word blå, but it can refer to other colours. A Scots and Scottish English word for "blue-grey" is blae, from the Middle English bla ("dark blue," from the Old English blæd). Ancient Greek lacked a word for colour blue and Homer called the colour of the sea "wine dark", except that the word kyanos (cyan) was used for dark blue enamel.
As a curiosity, blue is thought to be cognate with blond, blank and black through the Germanic word. Through a Proto-Indo-European root, it is also linked with Latin flavus ("yellow"; see flavescent and flavine), with Greek phalos (white), French blanc (white, blank) (loaned from Old Frankish), and with Russian белый, belyi ("white," see beluga), and Welsh blawr (grey) all of which derive (according to the American Heritage Dictionary) from the Proto-Indo-European root *bhel- meaning "to shine, flash or burn", (more specifically the word bhle-was, which meant light coloured, blue, blond, or yellow), whence came the names of various bright colours, and that of colour black from a derivation meaning "burnt" (other words derived from the root *bhel- include bleach, bleak, blind, blink, blank, blush, blaze, flame, fulminate, flagrant and phlegm).
In the English language, blue may refer to the feeling of sadness. "He was feeling blue". This is because blue was related to rain, or storms, and in Greek mythology, the god Zeus would make rain when he was sad (crying), and a storm when he was angry. Kyanos was a name used in Ancient Greek to refer to dark blue tile (in English it means blue-green or cyan).[3] The phrase "feeling blue" is linked also to a custom among many old deepwater sailing ships. If the ship lost the captain or any of the officers during its voyage, she would fly blue flags and have a blue band painted along her entire hull when returning to home port. [4]
Many languages do not have separate terms for blue and or green, instead using a cover term for both (when the issue is discussed in linguistics, this cover term is sometimes called grue in English). Blue is commonly used on internet browsers to colour a link that has not been clicked; when a link has been clicked it changes yellow or orange or purple.
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Interesting. Hungarian nobility from the Middle Ages and earlier also has those who'd be considered blue blood, aristocratic, and indisputably African or African-featured. Here is King Robert Karoly of Hungary, 1288 - 1342 AD.
This is a picture of his image on a gold coin I broke my neck to get. I went to a bookstore in Budapest and stumbled across it. This was the only picture in the book I needed so I tried to pay for the picture alone. They refused and referred me to a library that didn't have it. So, I returned one night and the fellow had compassion and allowed me to take it to the photocopy shop down the aisle to get a color copy of.
Another "blue-blood." Gone but not forgotten.
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Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . Interesting. Hungarian nobility from the Middle Ages and earlier also has those who'd be considered blue blood, aristocratic, and indisputably African or African-featured. Here is King Robert Karoly of Hungary, 1288 - 1342 AD.
This is a picture of his image on a gold coin I broke my neck to get. I went to a bookstore in Budapest and stumbled across it. This was the only picture in the book I needed so I tried to pay for the picture alone. They refused and referred me to a library that didn't have it. So, I returned one night and the fellow had compassion and allowed me to take it to the photocopy shop down the aisle to get a color copy of.
Another "blue-blood." Gone but not forgotten.
Do you have any descriptions about him or his family, regarding their looks and colour and identity? Do you think he descents from autochthonal Black Europeans?
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Goethe: free your mind from white supremacy and behold a black skinned European. Look for more black images, next to the white fakes. Rogers mentions that Goethe was known to be Black. I say that he was part of the elite, a fixed mulatto race, and we are not getting the whole picture because of revisionism
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Dude do you realise No one is at all interested in this stuff...?
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William and Mary; King and Queen of Britain
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More Goethe FREE YOUR MIND, THESE ARE IMAGES OF A BLACK EUROPEAN
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
Goethe: free your mind from white supremacy and behold a black skinned European. Look for more black images, next to the white fakes. Rogers mentions that Goethe was known to be Black. I say that he was part of the elite, a fixed mulatto race, and we are not getting the whole picture because of revisionism
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NOTES ON 'MIXED RACE' HISTORICAL EUROPEANS ON THE WEB. I CONSIDER THESE PERSONS DESCENDENTS FROM THE ORIGINAL BLACK EUROPEANS. THEY WERE MORE OR LESS BLACK OF SKIN
quote: Similarly, if all creativity derives from Nordic blood why have the most prominent men in European history been of manifestly mixed racial origin. "Many of the men," Fischer, Baur and Lenz contended, "who are universally regarded as the greatest in history (for instance, Socrates, Michelangelo, Luther, Goethe and Beethoven) were obviously of mixed race. Speaking generally, it is exceptional to find that distinguished men exhibit a pure racial type." (77)
quote: And so the whole portrait-diagnosis of Woltmann and his successor, Otto Hauser, is utterly worthless. It is the most utterly unreliable means that could be produced for the establishment of definite characters. In the picture books of our race astrologers such "documents" look very fine and serve there their full purpose, but for the earnest student they offer hardly even a point of attack. The work of painters is not photography, which incorruptibly gives back what is before it. It must from the first be valued as the reproduction of what the inner eye of the artist perceives; and this inner picture which hovers before the artist, and without which no work of art can be produced, not seldom misrepresents the original from a factual standpoint. Also, the personal style of the artist and the school to which he belongs play an important part in the work. To what genuine investigator, for example, would it occur to try to establish the characteristics of a race from portraits by our presentday cubists or futurists? Besides which, the very same portraits which serve Woltmann as proofs of the Germanic origin of the French and Italian cultures supply to other advocates of the race theory a basis for quite different views. For example, Albrecht Wirth, who also thinks that he recognises in race the determinative factor in historical development, explains in his Rasse und Volk: "In this view is involved a strange error; that Woltmann and his adherents discovered in so many geniuses and men of talent in France and Italy Germanic features. To unprejudiced eyes the very pictures which Woltmann gives as illustrations show just the opposite: Bashkir, Mediterranean, and Negro types." In fact, in the whole long portrait gallery which Woltmann displays to the world in support of his thesis, there is hardly a type that could stand as genuinely representative of the Germanic race. In every one of them unmistakable characteristics of the hybrid are more or less clearly shown. If the researches of Woltmann and Hauser were to lead us to any "law of history" at all, it could be only to this: that racial inbreeding gradually undermines spiritual vigour and has as its consequence a slow decline, while racial interbreeding imparts to the capacity for culture ever new vigour and favours the production of personalities of genius. The same holds good also for the German bearers of culture, and Max von Gruber is not wrong when he says: And when we apply racial standards to the bodily characteristics of our greatest men we find, indeed, in many of them Nordic characters, but in none of them only Nordic characters. The first glance reveals to the expert that neither Frederick the Great, nor Baron von Stein, nor Bismark was pure Nordic; the same is true of Luther, Melanchthon, Leibnitz, Kant, and Schopenhauer, as also of Liebig and Julius Robert Mayer and Helmholtz, of Goethe, Schiller, and Grillparzer, of Durer, Menzel, and Feuerbach, and even of the greatest geniuses of that most German of all the arts, music, from Bach and Gluck and Haydn to Bruckner. They were all hybrids; the same is true of the great Italians. Michelangelo and Galileo were, if Nordic at all, still not pure Nordic. To the characteristics from the North apparently ingredients from other races must be added in order to produce the happiest combination of characters. [8] However much Woltmann may insist that "Dante, Raphael, Luther, and so on, were geniuses not because they were hybrids, but in spite of it," and that "the foundation of their genius is their heritage from the Germanic race," it remains but empty preaching so long as we are not in a position to establish indisputably and to confirm scientifically the influence of race on the intellectual characteristics of mankind. By just the same logic could we affirm that the spark of genius in Luther, Goethe, Kant or Beethoven was to be attributed to the presence of "Alpine" or "Oriental" blood in them. Nothing would be proved by this; the world would merely be richer by one more assertion. In fact, during the War there were found on the other side of the Vosges men like Paul Souday and others who explained that all the great personalities that Germany had produced were of Celtic, and not German, descent. Why not?
Happy new year to some of you on this forum. For the rest, well just eat dirt and die!
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David Rizzio, friend of Mary of Scots What 'race' might he be?
David Rizzio
David Rizzio, private secretary of Mary I of ScotlandDavid Rizzio or David Riccio (approx. 1533 - 9 March 1566) was an Italian courtier and the private secretary of Mary I of Scotland. Mary's husband, Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley, is said to have been jealous of their friendship, and joined in a conspiracy of Protestant nobles to murder him. david rizzio/riccio, secretary to mary i of scotland Rizzio had arrived at the Scottish court in 1561, one of the staff of the ambassador from Savoy. He was handsome (see the detail of his portrait, possibly an unfinished miniature), and a good musician. Towards the end of 1564, he became the Queen's secretary for relations with France. Ambitious, seeing himself as all but a Secretary of State, a Roman Catholic, and a foreigner to boot, Rizzio had too much of the Queen's ear, it was felt. Jealousy precipitated his murder in the Queen's presence, in her supper chamber at the Palace of Holyroodhouse. He was stabbed an alleged 57 times. Rizzio's murder was only one incident in the larger campaign by Scottish nobles to contain and control the Queen. However, the fact that he was murdered in Mary's presence, when she was heavily pregnant, made it a particularly shocking event. Rizzio is buried at Canongate Kirkyard, Edinburgh. Edinburgh (pronounced ), Dùn Èideann () in Scottish Gaelic, is the second-largest city in Scotland and its capital city. ...
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Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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Egmond, back in 2008 in this thread above you wrote:
"Do you have any descriptions about him or his family, regarding their looks and colour and identity? Do you think he descents from autochthonal Black Europeans?"
What I can tell you is that Robert Karoly was from the Anjou Family of France and they were black. Somebody posted a picture of a black Anjou woman.
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Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Blackamoor, Italian 18th century
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
Egmond, back in 2008 in this thread above you wrote:
"Do you have any descriptions about him or his family, regarding their looks and colour and identity? Do you think he descents from autochthonal Black Europeans?"
What I can tell you is that Robert Karoly was from the Anjou Family of France and they were black. Somebody posted a picture of a black Anjou woman.
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King Robert I of Anjou (1309-1343) He slightly changed his hairstyle!
Dit you get a chance to look at this site?
Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
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That is classy.
Here' another:
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Egmond. I checked out the article. Here is a quote:
Enamelling
The process is a form of face painting. Its main aim was to achieve the look of younger, whiter skin.
I wonder how far back this whitening of the skin took place as one effect this would have is a black monarch entering history as white due simply to the fact he/she whitened their black / brown / dark skin.
Another way blacks monarchs are hidden is that long-haired wigs were used probably as far back as the 9th and 10th centuries.
A nappy head of hair would be likely found under a straight-haired wig.
I think we need to find out if the historical data mentions enamelling among monarchs.
If you find that, could be a telltale sign of a black face beneath white enamel.
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Posted by Marc Washington (Member # 10979) on :
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
Egmond. I checked out the article. Here is a quote:
Enamelling
The process is a form of face painting. Its main aim was to achieve the look of younger, whiter skin.
I wonder how far back this whitening of the skin took place as one effect this would have is a black monarch entering history as white due simply to the fact he/she whitened their black / brown / dark skin.
Another way blacks monarchs are hidden is that long-haired wigs were used probably as far back as the 9th and 10th centuries.
A nappy head of hair would be likely found under a straight-haired wig.
I think we need to find out if the historical data mentions enamelling among monarchs.
If you find that, could be a telltale sign of a black face beneath white enamel.
There is a lot about lead white and bleaching on the web, but what is missing is asking why the hell white people would be bleaching and painting themselves white? So this is another proof that the nobility was not white but brown and black of complexion.
Eliza de Feuillide, Jane Austen's niece discusses face painting and bleaching at length. They were also powdering their hair: like they were dipped in a meal tub, she wrote.
These books give you an idea how brown and black complexioned Europeans viewed themselves, what everyday life was like, how they handled the changing times.
Comtesse Eliza de Feuillde
She boast about her 'native brown colour hightened with a Tan by staying two years in the country,' her husbands castle.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington:
The elite identified as Black, they walked around with batches showing their blue blood. And in appearance they were brown or black of complexioned, inspite of the portraits which we are shown.
George Keppel from the highest nobility: not all resembled Classical Africans, children as such were considered pure of blood. The family was described as famous for being swarthy, brown black, chimney sweep
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: . .
That is classy.
Here' another:
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How do you know its a portrait of a real person, and not some decorative Moor brooche?
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Kikuyu woman: this is what black Europeans used to do: paint their faces white.
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Enamelling:
Enamelling
The process is a form of face painting. Its main aim was to achieve the look of ... whiter skin. This was accomplished by applying a white base, followed by rouge for ‘rosy’ cheeks. Thin blue lines were sometimes added to mimick superficial blood vessels thereby giving the skin the appearance of translucency.
Queen Alexandria and face enamelling
As the mother of King George V, she still engaged in public appearances but – presumably to maintain her reputation as a beauty – took to wearing veils, wigs and apparently resorted to having her face ‘enamelled’.
Queen Alexandria and daughters aka "Enamelled beauties"
The process is a form of face painting. Its main aim was to achieve the look of ... whiter skin. This was accomplished by applying a white base, followed by rouge for ‘rosy’ cheeks. Thin blue lines were sometimes added to mimick superficial blood vessels thereby giving the skin the appearance of translucency.
Queen Alexandria and face enamelling
As the mother of King George V, she still engaged in public appearances but – presumably to maintain her reputation as a beauty – took to wearing veils, wigs and apparently resorted to having her face ‘enamelled’.
Queen Alexandria and daughters aka "Enamelled beauties"
Stupid you left out part of that LOL, mainly the part that said it was done to achieve a YOUNGER, whiter skin. In other words White people hating black racist black supremacist liar, they did it to make themselves look YOUNGER not to make themselves appear to be white. The same reason women today have botox treatments, face lifts, & use make up to appear younger than they are. If black symbolized blue blood why pray do tell would they have wanted to make themselves look like a white person. You delusional, white people hating black racists know no bounds with your delusions. Stop trying to steal other races' history to try to make yourselves feel good.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
Kikuyu woman: this is what black Europeans used to do: paint their faces white.
Doesn't look white, still looks black LOL. Delusional white people hating black racist black supremacist.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
Kikuyu woman: this is what black Europeans used to do: paint their faces white.
Princess Marianne of Orange Nassau, daughter of King William I of the Netherlands
In a journal by a courtier she was described at a party as looking 'whiter then white,' while we can understand that without face paint she must have been very dark of complexion, like the rest of her family. Some having classical African facial features too.
King William III, her cousin, grandson of William I: notice dark skin (with Wilhelmina, his supposed daughter}
King William I, her father.
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Watteau
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quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
[Jan Vos by Jan Lievens]
[Van der Helst: Daughter of Jan Vos? Also known as A woman celebrating wine]
also labeled as wife of jan Vos. Looks like a over paint in regard to complexion colour.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies:
Kikuyu woman Doesn't look white, still looks black
She's not trying to look yte....it's both traditional, as well as symbolic....it has nothing to do with yte people/trying to look like yte people....
Traditional Kikuyu dancer with spear and headdress made of Colobus Monkey skin, Kenya
Painted legs of Kikuyu warrior, Kenya
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