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Egmond Codfried
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What does this image mean? Was Aristotle a European Black? Did he have lots of drops of African blood? Did he have African ancestors? Where they SSA or Caucasian (FOR THOSE WHO THINK IN THIS EUROCENTRIC FASHION)? Would his looks make other Africans consider him one of theirs? Would people come up to him and ask where he was from? Or ask him when the hell he will be going back to Africa? Was he a real person or a publisher?

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current 01:07, 10 February 2006 1,064×1,563 (620 KB) Laurascudder (Talk | contribs) (Aristotle teaching, from document in the British Library. From: {{book reference|Title=Islamic Science: An Illustrated Study| Author=Seyyed Hossein Nasr|Publisher=World of Islam Festival Publishing Ltd.|Year=1976| ID=ISBN 090503502X}} [[Category:Aristotle])

Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Arabic_aristotle.jpg

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[Plato and Aristotle: notice some difference in colour?]

Aristotle
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Full name Ἀριστοτέλης, Aristotélēs
Birth 384 BC
Stageira, Chalcidice
Death 322 BC
Euboea
School/tradition Peripatetic school
Aristotelianism
Main interests Physics, Metaphysics, Poetry, Theatre, Music, Rhetoric, Politics, Government, Ethics, Biology, Zoology
Notable ideas Golden mean, Reason, Logic, Passion
Influenced by[show]
Parmenides, Socrates, Plato, Heraclitus
Influenced[show]
Alexander the Great, Avicenna, Averroes, Maimonides, Albertus Magnus, Thomas Aquinas, Ptolemy, Copernicus, Galileo, and most of Islamic philosophy, Jewish philosophy, Christian philosophy, Western philosophy, and science in general
Aristotle (Greek: Ἀριστοτέλης Aristotélēs) (384 BC – 322 BC) was a Greek philosopher, a student of Plato and teacher of Alexander the Great. He wrote on many subjects, including physics, metaphysics, poetry, theater, music, logic, rhetoric, politics, government, ethics, biology and zoology.

Together with Plato and Socrates (Plato's teacher), Aristotle is one of the most important founding figures in Western philosophy. He was the first to create a comprehensive system of Western philosophy, encompassing morality and aesthetics, logic and science, politics and metaphysics. Aristotle's views on the physical sciences profoundly shaped medieval scholarship, and their influence extended well into the Renaissance, although they were ultimately replaced by modern physics. In the biological sciences, some of his observations were only confirmed to be accurate in the nineteenth century. His works contain the earliest known formal study of logic, which were incorporated in the late nineteenth century into modern formal logic. In metaphysics, Aristotelianism had a profound influence on philosophical and theological thinking in the Islamic and Jewish traditions in the Middle Ages, and it continues to influence Christian theology, especially Eastern Orthodox theology, and the scholastic tradition of the Roman Catholic Church. All aspects of Aristotle's philosophy continue to be the object of active academic study today.

Though Aristotle wrote many elegant treatises and dialogues (Cicero described his literary style as "a river of gold"), it is thought that the majority of his writings are now lost and only about one third of the original works have survived.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle

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quote:
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Lol, you said it best.
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No, he wasn't. That bust unfinished thought posted proves it all.
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Don't know about Aristotle but the identity of Socrates is related and raises some issues, I'd say:

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LETS NOT FORGET GOOD OLD VOLTAIRE: HE MUST HAVE BEEN A PITCH BLACK EUROPEAN.

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Frank M. Snowden, Blacks in Antiquity, Harvard University press, Massachusetts 1970 offers the name of Aristotle on six pages, but nothing about his looks or a portrait. Socrates is not even listed.

Still it might be of interest to learn from this work that Aristotle and Pliny preserved a Greek proverb ´Africa is always producing something new.´ Aristotle commented on slavery and justified it on the basis of innate differences and capabilities of individuals. However this should be understood in the Hellenistic sense which emphasized a cultural rather than a racial difference.

Aristotle attributes the straight hair of the Scythians and Thracians to a fluid, moist atmosphere and the woolly hair of Ethiops, meaning Black Africans in general, to their dry environments.

Along with several notes on the Ethiops we can say that the average Greek had a well known knowledge of this physical type. Aristotle made references to race mixture between Greeks and Ethiops. If I understand well he was the first of many. In Classic Literature, Plutarch and Pliney were like Aristotle interested in the transmission of the physical characters of descendent of Black/White crosses. But they included nothing regarding certain modern strictures on miscegenation.

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It's a good thing onlyhuman77 uses the word 'I' eight times in his last posting, so it's clear he is only speaking for himself.

The idea that one would only take interest in a celebrity because he is from the same race is racist. Yet I have studied photographs of Black American artist where they look White and blond. Nat King Cole, was according to a documentary, obliged by the producers to wear white make up in his short lived TV Show. To me it looks that these Black artist do not want to frighten away White fans with their Black looks.

Not to want to discuss the possibility that Aristotle might have been, what we came to call Black, strikes me as strange. For me the bottom-line would be as many as possible people to take interest in Aristotle by all means necessary.

Lastly a little word of caution to other users. Their is a lot of deception going on on the internet, like people presenting a totally fake identity to the world. They seem to get their rocks off when they have fooled you and tripped you up. At another site someone is using twenty nicks at the same time.

source: onedroprule.org

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quote:
Originally posted by Ebony Allen:
No, he wasn't. That bust unfinished thought posted proves it all.

Why should we in your mind favour the bust over the drawing and the wall painting?
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Source: http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/poetics.html

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[img] [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Aristotle,_stone_carving,_Chartres_Cathedral_Wellcome_M0008873.jpg [/img][/IMG]

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