Mother Jones magazine did an exhaustive analysis of the incarceration rates in the USA, and their statistics, taken from various federal and international sources, show a frightening picture of this nation as a locked down nation for a large segment of their population.
The US is number one, as we love to say, in incarceration of its citizens; we are only seconded by Russia. This means that the US has two million of its citizens in federal and state prisons and jails. And the gross unfairness of this system is that the vast majority of those in prisons are non-white citizens. That, of course, is no surprise; we all know how criminal nonwhites are in America.
Some interesting aspects of this study of prison statistics are these: California, which has the sixth largest economy in the world, (including its Silicon Valley), and a population that is 52% non-white, and is supposedly on the cutting edge of racial and social tolerance, has a prison population that is 69% non-white. And, of course, with a Black population that is only 7%, it has a prison population that is 32% Black. And this large population of Black inmates has helped this enlightened state to be the sixth state in incarceration rates.
While California is enlightened, its prison growth rate places it 18 among the states in prison spending; most of those in prison are there for drug offences—selling and using; California is rated number three among the states for incarcerating drug offenders and 45th among the states in spending on education. And among states that have a large racial disparity between those who are incarcerated and their numbers in society, California ranks 47th, so there are other states that are more vicious to their Black minority populations than California.
Texas for instance, the state of President Bush (and thanks in part to Bush), ranks number three in spending on prisons, while it is ranked 20th on education spending, and ranks 15th in incarcerating drug offenders. It ranks number one in putting citizens to death. Texas has a Black population of 11% but a Black prison population of 44%.
And in Florida, where the President’s brother is governor, even though the state ranks 49th in incarceration rates and 28th in prison spending, Florida has a Black population that equals 14%, yet a Black prison population that is 54%. Blacks in that state have a majority only in the prison population. Florida ranks 18th in spending on education.
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quote:Tabacco Speaks: I see the trend here. States with very low Black populations look for Blacks to incarcerate. 6 of the Worst 10 have less than 1% Black population. None of the Worst 10 has 5% Black population, let alone the 12.3% national average. Only 1 State, Rhode Island (4.5%) has as much as 4% Black population.
Note that none of the Worst 10 are in the Deep South. Florida (14.6%) and Arkansas (15.7%) have the lowest % of Black residents in the Deep South. Mississippi (36.3%) has more than 1 in 3 Black residents. I guess that’s why the Deep South is solidly Republican – rednecks don’t like living among a large Black population. The Worst 10 all have miniscule Black populations, and they still jail every Black they can. And they don’t need Rockefeller Drug Laws to do it. Who would have thought it could be that dangerous for a Black man to drive through South Dakota?
From the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics, here's a statistical portrait of the nation's prison population. An astonishing 2.2 million people are behind bars in this country--that's the equivalent of Houston, TX, the nation's fourth largest city. 6.6 percent of U.S. residents will go to prison at some point during their lifetime. (At present, one out of every 32 adults in the U.S. is either behind bars, on probation, or on parole.)
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Yesterday a spoke to a young man who told me he did not believe in discrimination and pointed to Obama. Discrimination can be overcome by an individual. I rather look at statistics and believe there is something very wrong with a society to incarcerate so many blacks. We need a revolution because this has nothing to do with how a black conducts his live. The status quo has now given itself a black face, Obama, but nothing has really changed. .
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quote:Tabacco Speaks: I see the trend here. States with very low Black populations look for Blacks to incarcerate. 6 of the Worst 10 have less than 1% Black population. None of the Worst 10 has 5% Black population, let alone the 12.3% national average. Only 1 State, Rhode Island (4.5%) has as much as 4% Black population.
Note that none of the Worst 10 are in the Deep South. Florida (14.6%) and Arkansas (15.7%) have the lowest % of Black residents in the Deep South. Mississippi (36.3%) has more than 1 in 3 Black residents. I guess that’s why the Deep South is solidly Republican – rednecks don’t like living among a large Black population. The Worst 10 all have miniscule Black populations, and they still jail every Black they can. And they don’t need Rockefeller Drug Laws to do it. Who would have thought it could be that dangerous for a Black man to drive through South Dakota?
^Good looking.
I remember when my cousin and I looked through the news papers and I found that large disparities in sentencing for the same crime STILL existed (late 90s or early 2000s). What really pissed us the phuck off was that there had just been a story of a Vegas rape where a thirty-something year old white male raped and killed a thirteen year old black girl and didn't get anywhere near life (it was somewhere under 30 maybe 20 years).
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Wonder how this is achieved. Usually the system works just so, that people seemingly are just doing their job, but the result spell's disaster for blacks and coloureds. The lower positions are mostly filled by blacks and coloureds who thus keep their own kind in cages. The oppressor uses the same people to keep themselves in prison.
Where America leads, Holland follows. In Holland they have this so-called free legal representation, but they only get paid when a client appears in court. Then I have heard people saying that the judges themselves lie and put false supposed statements by defendants in the files. Or that the things a defendant told the attorney in confidence end up in the court files.
Perhaps only the people who can hire big time lawyers can buy themselves some justice. The rest of us are just meat for the slaughter.
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quote: California, it appears, spends $6000 per year per student attending university, while spending $34,000 per year for every prisoner it holds behind bars.
quote:Not only does such a policy guarantee financial bankruptcy (as California is today) but it also ensures a morally and educationally bankrupt future.
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meninarmer [QUOTE] As of June 30, 2007, the incarceration rate in state or federal prison or jail for men was 1,406 per 100,000 residents, for women 136 per 100,000 residents. The rate for white men was 773 per 100,000, for black men 4,618 per 100,000, for Hispanic men 1,747 per 100,000. The rate for white women was 95 per 100,000, for black women 348 per 100,000, and for Hispanic women 146 per 100,000.
According to the American Corrections Association, the average daily cost per state prison inmate per day in the US is $67.55. State prisons held 253,300 inmates for drug offenses in 2005. That means states spent approximately $17,110,415 per day to imprison drug offenders, or $6,245,301,475 per year.
"In 1998, states spent a total of $39.7 billion for justice-related programs in adult corrections, juvenile justice and the judiciary amounting to 6.3 percent of their budgets. Of this amount, $30.7 billion (77 percent) was linked to substance abuse."
"Over the past twenty-five years, the United States has built the largest prison system in the world. But despite a recent downturn in the crime rate, we remain far and away the most violent advanced industrial society on earth."
Personally I would love to see that Obama guy, in a year’s time when he has his **** together, to give an important speech to denounce the misdeeds of his predecessors. And him liberating all them black folks in prison, which makes the US look really bad.
quote: Really now??? Letting out "all them black folks" out of prison will make the US look better??? Just let them out so they can terrorize their neighborhoods??? I hope you are being sarcastic.
Egmond Codfried wrote:
Reckon this is just what folks said to Ol´ Abe Lincoln when he was fixin´ to liberate all of them black Negroes.
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Egmond you are right, we must free our incarcerated Black Brothers. However, returning them to the Black communities that they came from would be a big mistake. When they see all of those defenseless Black people, nature and their own instincts would take over, and they would simply revert to their old ways of Drug dealing, murder, rape and robbery.
The trick is to get them to move into White communities; not only do White people have more money for them to go after, but by destroying White communities as they have Black communities, they would be setting the groundwork for a more egalitarian society later on.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Egmond you are right, we must free our incarcerated Black Brothers. However, returning them to the Black communities that they came from would be a big mistake. When they see all of those defenseless Black people, nature and their own instincts would take over, and they would simply revert to their old ways of Drug dealing, murder, rape and robbery.
The trick is to get them to move into White communities; not only do White people have more money for them to go after, but by destroying White communities as they have Black communities, they would be setting the groundwork for a more egalitarian society later on.
It would be nice if someone would enlighten us by what devious means all these young black men end up in prison. Today in Holland, according to the media, all crimes are committed by blacks and Muslims. The whites are squeaky clean. I do not buy that! The average drug user in Europe is a thirty something white man, with a job. For white drugs users they have started special intern programs and it’s all presented in pastel colours. With blacks they show us the hapless junkies lying about in the street.
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So we have crooked cops? They are picking on the poor abused black man? Give us a break Egmond. Black guys go to jail beacause they violate the law. In America blacks make up 12% of the population and 65% of the prison inmates. I work with a very ssweet black woman and a couple of black men. Nobody puts them in jail.
You should solve the problem by doing something about your terrible high school dropout rates and teen pregnancy rates. In many communities blacks are involved in cultural genocide and they are doing it to themselves.
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^^^I hate this; he has given me no opening, so I can't insult or otherwise kick his pale ass. TheAmericanPatriot please return to your usual inane and racist nonsense Immediately.
Egmond; drop it, this is a no win argument. When someone like TheAmericanPatriot can just waltz in, and put his finger right on it, that tells you something.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Egmond you are right, we must free our incarcerated Black Brothers. However, returning them to the Black communities that they came from would be a big mistake. When they see all of those defenseless Black people, nature and their own instincts would take over, and they would simply revert to their old ways of Drug dealing, murder, rape and robbery.
The trick is to get them to move into White communities; not only do White people have more money for them to go after, but by destroying White communities as they have Black communities, they would be setting the groundwork for a more egalitarian society later on.
It would be nice if someone would enlighten us by what devious means all these young black men end up in prison. Today in Holland, according to the media, all crimes are committed by blacks and Muslims. The whites are squeaky clean. I do not buy that! The average drug user in Europe is a thirty something white man, with a job. For white drugs users they have started special intern programs and it’s all presented in pastel colours. With blacks they show us the hapless junkies lying about in the street.
It's easy math Egmond.
Let's say a city police department has 20 patrol cars, each carrying to police men. These cars and police are used to patrol 5 city districts. These city districts resident populations are comprised thusly;
District A: White Population: 100,000 District B: White/Asian Population: 50,000 District C: White/Asian/Black Population: 100,000 District D: Black/Hispanic Population: 40,000 District E: Black Population: 20,000
Each day, 7 days per week, every day of the month, Police dispatchers assign where to place the 20 patrol cars. They assign them thusly;
District A: 1 car (2 police) District B: 1 car (2 police) District C: 2 car (4 police) District D: 6 cars (12 police) District E: 10 cars (20 police)
Based on available police, which district do you think police will observe the highest crime stats? It's statistical fact White drug usage and selling is 400X of blacks. It's also fact that Whites consume more alcohol and have 300X higher incidents of alcoholism and sexual deviate sex relative than blacks. Yet, you can spot a police patrol on every other black city block, while in white neighborhoods, you only see one tailing a black motorist if he happens to be passing through the area.
In these white neighborhoods, a Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, or Timothy McVeigh is born every day of the week.
Not only is the man on the left more likely to be stopped on a driving pull over, but he is 90% more likely to have 10s of millions of dollars spent to have his phones tapped by law enforcement, 98% more likely to be jailed on trumped charges, and 98% more likely to have his home searched on fraudulent charges. He is definitely 100% more likely to take a bullet from a white government approved weapon baring assassin.
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The two woman that I can recall being raped were raped by black men.
One was a mother of three boys who was ganged raped. She said that they kept asking her if she had any girls. Her boys were asleep in the next room. She didn't report the rape because the next day a car pulled up to her boys who were walking home from school and pointed a gun to their head and told them to tell their mom to keep quiet.
Do you want to set these guys free Egmond?
Those who want to make everything into a race issue are barking up the wrong tree. IMHO, I know plenty of African Americans who have never seen the inside of a prison. Probably because they are not out raping and stealing.
Sorry but I just don't buy that people are being arrested because of their skin color.
I can also tell you that the neighborhood that I grew up in was all white until busing. The lawns were kept and we never even locked our doors. When the blacks moved in my bike was stolen out of my front yard, the stores were vandalized, our garage was broke into and basically the yards and homes became unkempt.
I used to listen to a black radio station where they said that there is something wrong in the black community that needs to be fixed within itself.
The problem is as I see it, and (as you can see by meninarmer attitude) is that some will not take the responsibility that there is something they can do to improve their lives. It is much easier to say that it is all the white mans fault. The individuals that do get an education and do become successful are ridiculed by their own race for "wanting to live in the white mans world". If I remember correctly, someone on ES once called Powell and Obama "house nigger". This unfortunately is the attitude of many and I think the reason they turn to crime.
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The sad part is that many of these guys, including Egmond, could do alot for the black community if they would drop the victim nonsense and deal with real life problems. We have black kids right now who need real help and they are not getting it in their own commnities. Forget about white people, improve yourselves. Look, if someone does not like me because of my race that is their problem. I would not spend ten seconds worrying about what I cannot control in the first place.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^^^I hate this; he has given me no opening, so I can't insult or otherwise kick his pale ass. TheAmericanPatriot please return to your usual inane and racist nonsense Immediately.
Egmond; drop it, this is a no win argument. When someone like TheAmericanPatriot can just waltz in, and put his finger right on it, that tells you something.
Are you telling me that blacks are more criminal then whites, chinese, jews, arabs etc?
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The really sad part is, people like Hammer could actually reverse their ignorance if they choose, and become real assets to their race rather than the dense dunces they have instead chosen to be.
Alas, that is not to be. God has a different plan for broken down old Dixiecrats that does not include the ability of using their small brains and learning. This is no fault of black people who have been attempting to elevate their conscientiousness for centuries. We tried, but now it's time to call it a lost cause and move on.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Egmond you are right, we must free our incarcerated Black Brothers. However, returning them to the Black communities that they came from would be a big mistake. When they see all of those defenseless Black people, nature and their own instincts would take over, and they would simply revert to their old ways of Drug dealing, murder, rape and robbery.
The trick is to get them to move into White communities; not only do White people have more money for them to go after, but by destroying White communities as they have Black communities, they would be setting the groundwork for a more egalitarian society later on.
It would be nice if someone would enlighten us by what devious means all these young black men end up in prison. Today in Holland, according to the media, all crimes are committed by blacks and Muslims. The whites are squeaky clean. I do not buy that! The average drug user in Europe is a thirty something white man, with a job. For white drugs users they have started special intern programs and it’s all presented in pastel colours. With blacks they show us the hapless junkies lying about in the street.
It's easy math Egmond.
Let's say a city police department has 20 patrol cars, each carrying to police men. These cars and police are used to patrol 5 city districts. These city districts resident populations are comprised thusly;
District A: White Population: 100,000 District B: White/Asian Population: 50,000 District C: White/Asian/Black Population: 100,000 District D: Black/Hispanic Population: 40,000 District E: Black Population: 20,000
Each day, 7 days per week, every day of the month, Police dispatchers assign where to place the 20 patrol cars. They assign them thusly;
District A: 1 car (2 police) District B: 1 car (2 police) District C: 2 car (4 police) District D: 6 cars (12 police) District E: 10 cars (20 police)
Based on available police, which district do you think police will observe the highest crime stats? It's statistical fact White drug usage and selling is 400X of blacks. It's also fact that Whites consume more alcohol and have 300X higher incidents of alcoholism and sexual deviate sex relative than blacks. Yet, you can spot a police patrol on every other black city block, while in white neighborhoods, you only see one tailing a black motorist if he happens to be passing through the area.
In these white neighborhoods, a Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, or Timothy McVeigh is born every day of the week.
Not only is the man on the left more likely to be stopped on a driving pull over, but he is 90% more likely to have 10s of millions of dollars spent to have his phones tapped by law enforcement, 98% more likely to be jailed on trumped charges, and 98% more likely to have his home searched on fraudulent charges. He is definitely 100% more likely to take a bullet from a white government approved weapon baring assassin.
Make it part of your routine to post sources, before someone ask for them.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Egmond you are right, we must free our incarcerated Black Brothers. However, returning them to the Black communities that they came from would be a big mistake. When they see all of those defenseless Black people, nature and their own instincts would take over, and they would simply revert to their old ways of Drug dealing, murder, rape and robbery.
The trick is to get them to move into White communities; not only do White people have more money for them to go after, but by destroying White communities as they have Black communities, they would be setting the groundwork for a more egalitarian society later on.
It would be nice if someone would enlighten us by what devious means all these young black men end up in prison. Today in Holland, according to the media, all crimes are committed by blacks and Muslims. The whites are squeaky clean. I do not buy that! The average drug user in Europe is a thirty something white man, with a job. For white drugs users they have started special intern programs and it’s all presented in pastel colours. With blacks they show us the hapless junkies lying about in the street.
It's easy math Egmond.
Let's say a city police department has 20 patrol cars, each carrying to police men. These cars and police are used to patrol 5 city districts. These city districts resident populations are comprised thusly;
District A: White Population: 100,000 District B: White/Asian Population: 50,000 District C: White/Asian/Black Population: 100,000 District D: Black/Hispanic Population: 40,000 District E: Black Population: 20,000
Each day, 7 days per week, every day of the month, Police dispatchers assign where to place the 20 patrol cars. They assign them thusly;
District A: 1 car (2 police) District B: 1 car (2 police) District C: 2 car (4 police) District D: 6 cars (12 police) District E: 10 cars (20 police)
Based on available police, which district do you think police will observe the highest crime stats? It's statistical fact White drug usage and selling is 400X of blacks. It's also fact that Whites consume more alcohol and have 300X higher incidents of alcoholism and sexual deviate sex relative than blacks. Yet, you can spot a police patrol on every other black city block, while in white neighborhoods, you only see one tailing a black motorist if he happens to be passing through the area.
In these white neighborhoods, a Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, or Timothy McVeigh is born every day of the week.
Not only is the man on the left more likely to be stopped on a driving pull over, but he is 90% more likely to have 10s of millions of dollars spent to have his phones tapped by law enforcement, 98% more likely to be jailed on trumped charges, and 98% more likely to have his home searched on fraudulent charges. He is definitely 100% more likely to take a bullet from a white government approved weapon baring assassin.
Make it part of your routine to post sources, before someone ask for them.
LOL, I'm just happy you are an European, and not an African American. God is good.
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The ACLU is another Jewish liberal org. created to reinforce the victimhood mentality in blacks. This will neither solve nor alleviate the long and complex problem of policing in the black community. It only succeeds in taking away agency in the black community (in the form of independent analysis and solutions) and promotes a gross oversimplification of the problem. Black criminality and concomitant phenomena of cultural decadence is historic and complex. It has been a staple feature in the destruction of the black community for a long time. The problem should therefore be analyzed and discussed freely by blacks and not be subjected to outside analysis and victim peddling that has traditionally been the case with the advent of the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s. This only promotes the agenda of those who want to keep the dependency syndrome going.
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I think that poverty and lack of education breeds criminal activity and attitudes. When someone is raised in an environment where education is scorned then they will be less likely to get an education, no matter their skin color.
Notice meninarmers attitude. EVERYTHING he says revolves around blacks against whites. Don't you think if anyone walks around teaching their children this attitude that it will breed problems?
You live in Holland Egmond. I had a lab partner from Africa. She told me that she has more in common with American whites than blacks. SHE told me that they would say to her "Why do you want to be in the white mans world" because she was getting an education.
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France used to call Holland 'The Columbia of Europe' because Holland produces and sells drugs to all European countries. This has been a constant historical pattern with Holland. Even now poppy production has gone up in the Helmand Province in Afghanistan where the Dutch military does its so-called 'rebuilding' and 'policing.'
Some time ago the son of the late president of the Dutch Central Bank was arrested in Asia for selling drugs. When our beloved Queen made a state visit to Thailand, she secured his release into Dutch custody, which usually means that someone is freed.
In Holland we are famous for our Coffee-shops where anyone can go and buy many kinds of weeds and hashish. Its perfectly legal, but for the 'back-door construction.' The shops are not supposed to be stocked and they can have only about 500 grams legally on the premises.
This is how the Dutch state deals in drugs. Yet its Surinamese who arrive at the airport who are searched way into their little nooks and crannies, because it’s always the blacks who are the criminals. Smuggling like this represents only 1% of the drugs brought into Holland.
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Read an article awhile back that dealt with the problems educated black women were having finding husbands. These young gangster leaning black guys have no appeal to them. A[pparently the problem is substantial as many are staying single. In some areas of the country some find an educated white guy. If Egmond wants to understand the problem he needs to look in the mirror. Decent people of all races are NOT going to allow these violent criminals to run at will through the community.
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quote:Originally posted by of_gold: Exactly akoben.
I think that poverty and lack of education breeds criminal activity and attitudes. When someone is raised in an environment where education is scorned then they will be less likely to get an education, no matter their skin color.
Notice meninarmers attitude. EVERYTHING he says revolves around blacks against whites. Don't you think if anyone walks around teaching their children this attitude that it will breed problems?
You live in Holland Egmond. I had a lab partner from Africa. She told me that she has more in common with American whites than blacks. SHE told me that they would say to her "Why do you want to be in the white mans world" because she was getting an education.
Dear, I'm sorry, but I do not like you anymore! Personally I'm grateful that I could, for instance, travel in Muslim countries and have many Muslims friends, so I do not share in the racism against this group. I have my information about Muslims first hand and do not need the racist media. We are all the same: just folks!
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well Egmond, there is an old saying, "it is better to be pissed off than pissed on." If whites are so bad why are you living in Europe? If I felt the way you did I would head back to africa or the middle East. Nobody is making you live there. You move into someone else's country and expect them to march to the beat of your drum. The world does not work that way.
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Whites are the biggest criminals in the world.
LOL, the Kennedy administration teamed up with the Jewish mob for their Bay Of Pigs offense, even contracting them to attempt many failed assassinations of Castro. Last I heard, the USA has failed at over 300 assassination attempts against Fidel. Ronald Reagan teamed up with South American drug cartel in Drugs for Guns campaign. Ollie North and CIA ASSISTED SA drug dealers to ferry massive amounts of cocaine into the US for distribution to black neighborhoods. Ollie North was acquitted of all charges in spite of there being overwhelming evidence against his role in using military C-130 aircraft to bring transports loaded with cocaine into US military bases to be shipped around the US.
So, the small time, petty black criminals ASSISTING white SUPER criminals is what you are whining about but far too dumb to acknowledge. This is why for the last 20 years a small time black drug dealer possessing 2 grams of rock cocaine (street worth: $50)was sentenced to 10-15 years in jail, while a white drug dealer caught possessing 2 onces of powder cocaine (street worth: $8,000) was sentenced to 2-3 years in jail.
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I didn't say anything about Muslims. I have black friends and Muslim friends.
Egmond why are you able to take meninarmer saying that I don't have any common sense because I am a woman but you cannot take me saying that his attitude is the problem and not his skin color? Sounds bias to me.
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Introduction Mob violence often threatened the lives of black men in America. These U.S. Supreme Court rulings from 1923, 1936, and 1940 describe in graphic detail the type of justice a black man could expect. Torture was routinely used, often over several days, to get "voluntary" confessions that led to sentences of death. State courts gave no protection at all to the victims of these practices. The US Supreme Court, which was then a champion of justice, fearlessly protected the poor victims of injustice. Today, of course, the Supreme Court considers its highest goal to champion the right of prosecutors to not have to try a case a second time. For further information on this point, see our Report on Finality. The boldness and honesty of the old Supreme Court rulings is refreshing. "The record of the testimony shows that the signs of the rope on his neck were plainly visible during the so-called trial." "It is interesting to note that in his testimony with reference to the whipping of the defendant Ellington, and in response to the inquiry as to how severely he was whipped, the deputy stated, 'Not too much for a negro; not as much as I would have done if it were left to me.'"
What is also refreshing is that the rulings reflect a time when the US Supreme Court actually cared about justice. The rulings in these cases could not have been made today, not in a judicial system where judge-created technicality frequently says you cannot go to court at all, regardless of the injustice, and, even if you can get there, deference to state court rulings is the order of the day.
Especially shocking is the dissent in Moore v. Dempsey. Blacks holding a peaceful private meeting in a church were set upon by a mob of violent whites who began firing into the church, killing several people. In the ensuing disturbance, one white man was killed, requiring several more blacks to die for daring to defend themselves. After the arrests, there was a horrifying application of mob domination and torture, with a lynching held off only by the promises of local officials to execute the "negroes" legally. The son of a white lawyer who came to town to help the accused barely escaped town with his life. A local lawyer was appointed to make sure the accused could not present a defense.
The trial took 45 minutes, and the deliberations by the all-white jury of local townspeople took less than 5 minutes. The "lawyer" did not speak to the accused before trial, called no witnesses, even though they were available, and did not permit the accused to testify they were innocent. Two justices actually wanted to uphold these convictions and death sentences. Many of the justifications they used are strikingly similar to those used by Supreme Court justices today to validate injustice:
"The delays incident to enforcement of our criminal laws have become a national scandal..." "It follows as a logical consequence that where, as here, a criminal prosecution has proceeded through all the courts of the state, including the appellate as well as the trial court, the result of the appellate review cannot be ignored when afterwards the prisoner applies for his release on the ground of a deprivation of federal rights sufficient to oust the state of its jurisdiction to proceed to judgment and execution against him..."
"But the state may supply such corrective process as to it seems proper..."
"I am unable to say that the District Judge, acquainted with local conditions, erred when he held the petition for the writ of habeas corpus insufficient."
Yet, some things were different. Racism was far more blatant and open than it is today. Justices McReynolds and Sutherland, for example, referred to comments about "the ignorance and superstition of a race of children" as being "certainly not intemperate."
So, take your pick, and learn about REAL American history:
Moore v. Dempsey (1923) Brown v. Mississippi (1936) Chambers v. Florida (1940)
Slave Cases During the days of slavery, judges who had to approve the atrocities or settle disputes over the "property" often revealed the facts of the savagery and arrogance inherent in stealing people's liberty and binding them to labor for life. Visit the Slave Cases page to read more, in the judges' own words.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See our Report on Finality Read about slavery throughout the world today. Read about corporations using prison slave labor. Visit the website of the American Anti-Slavery Group. See how the court system treats blacks today. Return to The Injustice Line Main Page
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Goldie - Unfortunately non-ghetto Blacks often find themselves in that position.
Egmond - My house, my rules, my rules are intended to benefit me (surprise, surprise). I fail to understand why so many Blacks find that hard to understand. Did someone distribute a stupidity pill or something?
The Dutch don't want niggers in Holland, they want them in the territories. So they do whatever they can to encourage them NOT to be in Holland. Whats you problem, did you REALLY FUCHING BELIEVE THEM WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE.
But isn't stupidity really at the bottom of this whole thing.
That Black young man with no education and no job. Who feels resentment at the establishment for not doing better by him. Of course he will turn to crime. And of course he will be killed or incarcerated. But that's just natures way; in Humans, the most beneficial attribute is not size or strength, it is intelligence.
That Black young man was the enemy to them, but he didn't know it. He believed the foolishness that they told him about brotherhood equality etc. A trap was laid for him, he entered it. And another one bites the dust. Perhaps over time meninarmer will get past the simple sh1t, and do some serious thinking. Life is dangerous, the simple-minded rarely do well. If you don't even know who thinks you the enemy, then you certainly won't know what to do to protect yourself.
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quote:Originally posted by of_gold: meninarmer saying that I don't have any common sense because I am a woman
Did I say that? Oh my!! I just meant to check the toilet seat before you sit down and cause a splash.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Whites are the biggest criminals in the world.
LOL, the Kennedy administration teamed up with the Jewish mob for their Bay Of Pigs offense, even contracting them to attempt many failed assassinations of Castro. Last I heard, the USA has failed at over 300 assassination attempts against Fidel. Ronald Reagan teamed up with South American drug cartel in Drugs for Guns campaign. Ollie North and CIA ASSISTED SA drug dealers to ferry massive amounts of cocaine into the US for distribution to black neighborhoods. Ollie North was acquitted of all charges in spite of there being overwhelming evidence against his role in using military C-130 aircraft to bring transports loaded with cocaine into US military bases to be shipped around the US.
So, the small time, petty black criminals ASSISTING white SUPER criminals is what you are whining about but far too dumb to acknowledge. This is why for the last 20 years a small time black drug dealer possessing 2 grams of rock cocaine (street worth: $50)was sentenced to 10-15 years in jail, while a white drug dealer caught possessing 2 onces of powder cocaine (street worth: $8,000) was sentenced to 2-3 years in jail.
Actually, I was whining about my friend being brutally raped by a gang and them pointing a gun to her sons head.
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quote:Originally posted by of_gold: I didn't say anything about Muslims. I have black friends and Muslim friends.
Egmond why are you able to take meninarmer saying that I don't have any common sense because I am a woman but you cannot take me saying that his attitude is the problem and not his skin color.
I have dealt many times with the nutcase Meninarmer himself and the likes of him on these pages. But it now dawns on me that you of-Gold also cannot see past racist propaganda.
I have tried to speak to women on the injustices done against women and how undeserved these are. But somehow these same victims of discrimination and cruelty have no humanity to spare for others.
This I‘ve also observed with political refugees I used to assist. They treat each other in a most inhuman fashion while being victims of human right violations themselves.
Perhaps its better that you all just kill each other off as beast. Or is only the most fucked up people who post on this forum?
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Egmond - My house, my rules, my rules are intended to benefit me (surprise, surprise). I fail to understand why so many Blacks find that hard to understand. Did someone distribute a stupidity pill or something?
The Dutch don't want niggers in Holland, they want them in the territories. So they do whatever they can to encourage them NOT to be in Holland.
Yes, they do distribute a stupidity pill, and Egmond receives them weekly in the mail.
Remember, Holland is the MECCA for white drug users and also manufactures 95% of the Ecstasy drugs distributed throughout the world. It is not black people who manage and control these operations, but whites, Gentile & Jew.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Whites are the biggest criminals in the world.
LOL, the Kennedy administration teamed up with the Jewish mob for their Bay Of Pigs offense, even contracting them to attempt many failed assassinations of Castro. Last I heard, the USA has failed at over 300 assassination attempts against Fidel. Ronald Reagan teamed up with South American drug cartel in Drugs for Guns campaign. Ollie North and CIA ASSISTED SA drug dealers to ferry massive amounts of cocaine into the US for distribution to black neighborhoods. Ollie North was acquitted of all charges in spite of there being overwhelming evidence against his role in using military C-130 aircraft to bring transports loaded with cocaine into US military bases to be shipped around the US.
So, the small time, petty black criminals ASSISTING white SUPER criminals is what you are whining about but far too dumb to acknowledge. This is why for the last 20 years a small time black drug dealer possessing 2 grams of rock cocaine (street worth: $50)was sentenced to 10-15 years in jail, while a white drug dealer caught possessing 2 onces of powder cocaine (street worth: $8,000) was sentenced to 2-3 years in jail.
Actually, I was whining about my friend being brutally raped by a gang and them pointing a gun to her sons head.
Yes, the black citizens of the city of Boston cried out also when a white male murdered his wife and told police she had been killed by two black men who robbed them and killed her. As usual, the Boston police began rounding up every black male on the street for a month before the white male finally confessed to making up the story, and that he had murdered his wife for the insurance money.
The white media ran the story about the wife being murdered by two black men in every paper for a month. They ran the confession on a back page for 1-2 days.
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Your lab partner--if such was indeed the case--was just naive and shameless. I don't see why one has to be "in the whiteman's world" just to learn basic chemistry, biology--or whatever. And the cultural claim about having more in common with Europeans is just silly and false. Chinese and Japanese respect education but I doubt they see themselves as European.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Goldie - Unfortunately non-ghetto Blacks often find themselves in that position.
Egmond - My house, my rules, my rules are intended to benefit me (surprise, surprise). I fail to understand why so many Blacks find that hard to understand. Did someone distribute a stupidity pill or something?
The Dutch don't want niggers in Holland, they want them in the territories. So they do whatever they can to encourage them NOT to be in Holland. Whats you problem, did you REALLY FUCHING BELIEVE THEM WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE.
But isn't stupidity really at the bottom of this whole thing.
That Black young man with no education and no job. Who feels resentment at the establishment for not doing better by him. Of course he will turn to crime. And of course he will be killed or incarcerated. But that's just natures way; in Humans, the most beneficial attribute is not size or strength, it is intelligence.
That Black young man was the enemy to them, but he didn't know it. He believed the foolishness that they told him about brotherhood equality etc. A trap was laid for him, he entered it. And another one bites the dust. Perhaps over time meninarmer will get past the simple sh1t, and do some serious thinking. Life is dangerous, the simple-minded rarely do well. If you don't even know who thinks you the enemy, then you certainly won't know what to do to protect yourself.
My intention is to end these horrid practices by writing and talking about them. You inform us what happens in your part of the woods, I write about mine. I'm not ready to give up yet, or blaim the victim. As of now the Dutch are again all over Suriname, independent since 1975. So even when we go back there, the horror does not end.
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Your lab partner--if such was indeed the case--was just naive and shameless. I don't see why one has to be "in the whiteman's world" just to learn basic chemistry, biology--or whatever. And the cultural claim about having more in common with Europeans is just silly and false. Chinese and Japanese respect education but I doubt they see themselves as European.
I'm so happy you are back and stopped first at my topic.
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quote:Originally posted by of_gold: I didn't say anything about Muslims. I have black friends and Muslim friends.
Egmond why are you able to take meninarmer saying that I don't have any common sense because I am a woman but you cannot take me saying that his attitude is the problem and not his skin color.
I have dealt many times with the nutcase Meninarmer himself and the likes of him on these pages. But it now dawns on me that you of-Gold also cannot see past racist propaganda.
I have tried to speak to women on the injustices done against women and how undeserved these are. But somehow these same victims of discrimination and cruelty have no humanity to spare for others.
This I‘ve also observed with political refugees I used to assist. They treat each other in a most inhuman fashion while being victims of human right violations themselves.
Perhaps its better that you all just kill each other off as beast. Or is only the most fucked up people who post on this forum?
Perhaps its better if you learn to understand what people are saying instead of telling us that we are better off dead.
The likes of him are exactly what I am talking about. Not propaganda. When you see something and you say it it is not propaganda.
Speaking about injustices is way different than if I continually came on here crying about how women are held down by men. Women are the most discriminated group world wide. If I want to do something, I do it and if someone tells me I can't, I simply prove him wrong.
meninarmer, Thanks for the in service on how to pee. See, I knew that you can be useful in society. Who else would realize that we woman are so dem-witted that we need such detailed and simple instructions on how to be a woman than a man who does not know how to be a man.
I just got back from the Chiropractor. I didn't have the heart to tell him what you think of him, meninarmer. He is so content with his life, that I didn't want to burst his bubble and break the news to him on what a handicap his skin color is. He would not of believed me anyway, instead he would tell me about his adventures, like he does. Still married to his high school sweetheart who works in his office. Nice man, nice wife. Posts: 3891 | From: No good deed goes unpunished. | Registered: May 2007
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quote:Originally posted by of_gold: I didn't say anything about Muslims. I have black friends and Muslim friends.
Egmond why are you able to take meninarmer saying that I don't have any common sense because I am a woman but you cannot take me saying that his attitude is the problem and not his skin color.
I have dealt many times with the nutcase Meninarmer himself and the likes of him on these pages. But it now dawns on me that you of-Gold also cannot see past racist propaganda.
I have tried to speak to women on the injustices done against women and how undeserved these are. But somehow these same victims of discrimination and cruelty have no humanity to spare for others.
Sorry, Egmond, as much as you'd like to think so, the truth is, you are NOT a woman, and delude yourself into thinking you can speak for women, or even school them on how to champion their cause. Just because you wear panties, dresses, heels, sit down to pee and like men, does not mean you understand what it is to be a real woman. Stop allowing your mind to play tricks on you coconut. You are as bad as the white women who trick themselves into believing they can speak for black women, or Hammer who thinks he can speak for what his thoughts on what is best for black America. The fact is, you know very as little about women, as Gold or Hammer know about black people.
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quote:Originally posted by of_gold: meninarmer, Thanks for the in service on how to pee. See, I knew that you can be useful in society. Who else would realize that we woman are so dem-witted that we need such detailed and simple instructions on how to be a woman than a man who does not know how to be a man.
Gold, I don't dare advise you HOW to pee. I have little experience with women peeing. I confess to not being an expert in this area.
What I do know and advise is, how women should PREPARE for peeing. You know, the initial setup that keeps them from drowning before the act. After the initial setup phase I'm happy to say, you're on your own.
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You know Egmond, regardless of how much you write we are going to continue to lock up violent criminals. In fact Texas is not the place to get convicted of a crime. In murder cases we give these guys a shot and give their body to whatever family they have. One thing you can be sure of, when we administer the shot that person will never be involved in another crime. There is no excuse for violent behavior regardless of race. We at least get them out of the gene pool and that is not a bad thing.
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^ Don't assume the opinions of some here represent the views of all. Would you apply your reasoning across the board or do you have some sort of special expertise on black people?
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quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: Yesterday a spoke to a young man who told me he did not believe in discrimination and pointed to Obama. Discrimination can be overcome by an individual. I rather look at statistics and believe there is something very wrong with a society to incarcerate so many blacks. We need a revolution because this has nothing to do with how a black conducts his live. The status quo has now given itself a black face, Obama, but nothing has really changed. .
OK fair enough. But what do you see as the solution since a heavy proportion of the victims of black criminals, are themselves black?
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"Over the past twenty-five years, the United States has built the largest prison system in the world. But despite a recent downturn in the crime rate, we remain far and away the most violent advanced industrial society on earth."
True enough, but what's your solution?
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