Instead of posting images of ''white'' Ancient Egyptians, which proponents have miserably failed to do, lets change the subject up a bit, and do the reverse. If the Egyptians remained the same, direct me towards Ancient Egyptian art where clusters of people have gathered (no singles, sorry) and where they're colored in the following manner:
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Not difficult:
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
Rahotep, is it a coincidence that most of the images are from scenes of the book of the dead, and that you make handy use of the yellow skinned female artistic convention in others?
Even assuming that the Ancient Egyptians depicted on those papyri looked like that in life, how are you going to reconcile the scarcity of those colors, especially in normal daily scenes such as farming and banquet scenes,
Does the average Copt look more like the Asiatic or more like the Ancient Egyptian?
LOL Are you F*ing kidding me..?
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
^ evolution of light skinned amongst Egyptians could have happened in situ due to sexual selection especially after cultural dominance by West Asians.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Swenet
Nothing but TRUTH coming from you Swenet....What a Joke that Rahotep could not find tomb scenes of Egyptians in everyday living that are the colour of the delta Egyptians.
Copts, Afrangi's etc do not really look anything like the tomb scenes of Ancient Egyptians we see. The thing though is that there is Copts as Black as the Nubians in Upper Egypt and we know that Nubians and Saidi and Beja are the closest living people to Ancient Egyptians.
Keep the Fire Burning And the people will learn.
Peace
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
The evidence suggests otherwise. The skeletal divergence from a Northeastern to towards a North African pattern is already observable in the New Kingdom, when there is no evidence of cultural domination of West Asians, and thus, the high freq. of light skin is more consistent with immigration.
@King, I agree ''Copt'' is a religious designation, not an ethnic one, and so there are many dark ones.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
osirion
What you forget to remember is all the light skinned people who immigrated to Egypt when there countries dominated...Like the Turks, Persians, Greeks etc. They intermarried with the Egyptians and it shows up in the colour of Lower Egyptians.
What we do know is that Upper Egypt was left free of much intermarriage....don't get me wrong it still happened up there, but not as pronounced as in Lower Egypt.
We can only hope that in this "New" Egypt, that darker skinned Egyptians play more of a role in Egypt and make an impact where we see them as much as we see the light skinned people.
Peace
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
EGYPTIAN ART:
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
The challenge is met, and I could go on. The Book of the Dead is a valid source, as there are also books of the dead with darker images. It's not true that I couldn't find tomb paintings either as there are four or five images up there from tomb walls.
I thought you would try to move the goal posts, and start this 'asiatic' crap. It's clear that semites and Egyptians often looked similar. According to the Bible, Moses and Joseph managed to be mistaken for Egyptians.
The Copts look the same as their direct ancestors the ancient Egyptians. No one besides modern Egyptians has the distinction of descending from the people of the pharaohs. Anyone who would dispute this is blind to sense and reason and a pretty contemptible piece of work in my estimation.
Tomb images featuring multiples of lighter skinned Egyptians are faily abundant:
That said, I don't know where the idea came from that the 'average' modern Copt is light skinned. Copts have the same colouring as other Egyptians, tending to be darker as you go south. Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
Swenet, you asked for evidence to support the claim, were given it, but then, you move the goal post? LOL!!! You are pathetic and have absolutely zero intellectual integrity.
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
As for the yellow 'artistic convention' why would a black African people invent such a convention? How yellow are the following examples of pinkness?:
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:You are pathetic and have absolutely zero intellectual integrity.
Says the 50 year old self hating Hatian f*cker who is known for starting sh!t and then abandoning his own threads when questions are raised..
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
Rahotep, I'll be back for you in minute.
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
LOL. Sewernet is getting shitty and personal and changing the subject because the confirmed truth hurts so. Because the challenge was embarrassingly easy to answer.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
Ok let’s start with the pics of Tomb Nakth and Ramose first, in the mean time Rahotep, please cut the crap and supply the provenances of the papyri you've posted.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
I'm not even going to respond to those, as its common knowledge that females in AE art were usually depicted in a light, mostly yellow skin color. Your pics isolated, without their total context, so that details that make that obvious become obscured. Look for example at the following tomb of Ramose, where MOST, if not ALL of the women are painted in a yellow color. You've isolated the women from that tomb, as if they can be understood as a standalone unit. What are you saying then, that Ancient Egyptian males and females were of different ''races''? That Egyptian females gave rise to yellow girls and dark boys?
(I like his Cairo Video)
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Yeah, I look darker with the lights down low, too. Swinet, If you put the modern Egyptians in the tomb with these paintings, against their painted ancestors, they would be the same colour, or darker, and the fact is fairly obvious. I could have posted your versions instead in support of the same case. Even in your darker images of the same paintings, they look more like modern Egyptians than anyone else. Man up and admit the fact and get a life.
You didn't ask for provenance, you're moving the goalposts again. Look it up yourself and discredit it if you can. You didn't say isolate groups including males either. The practice of painting men reddish brown and the women paler colour was common throughout the Mediterranean, including among Minoans and Etruscans. It doesn't mean these people weren't caucasians. You will also notice a number of paler male figures among the images already posted.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
Moving on to this image from the tomb of Nakht. LOL. What a total idiot. Did you ever see images from the rest of the tomb in their total context..? Even assuming that these ladies were painted that light, which they were NOT, you’d be ignoring all the other images from his tomb where literally all characters are dark brown, with the exception of some ladies, some of which are depicted dark brown elsewhere.
If the ladies in the tomb of Nakht were not painted that light, how come there are darker figures on the same wall for you to compare them to?
I'll go with your photo if you wish.
Here's some more Egyptian females for you, who haven't changed colour:
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
Now moving on to the picture you’ve posted, your fraudulent ass has picked the lightest of that extremely damaged mural. Here is a close up of that mural, where you can see all the damage:
Similar sculpture where the paint is well preserved:
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Now moving on to the picture you’ve posted, your fraudulent ass has picked the lightest of that extremely damaged mural. Here is a close up of that mural, where you can see all the damage:
Keep it coming Kalonji, another thread into the fallacious, deceptive way Rahotep operates,..LOL. Notice his Strawman "Moses was mistaken for a Egyptian Argument"..LOL when no images of the Hebrews in Egypt exist at all..(The could have been blue Martians for all we know)
Good work, as I said when a rat is backed into a corner it will do anything to survive..
keep it coming..
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
LMAO @ the lot of you failures. The challenge has more than been met, but it would be against your ego-trip negrocentrist religion to admit the fact. You keep moving the goalpoasts, Swinet. Now you want a group of light coloured Egyptians from a tomb without any dark coloured Egyptians on the walls, it seems! Well why didn't you say so? Find me a picture of a large group of modern Egyptians without any brown faces in the crowd, and kiss my arse, and I'll get directly on to it.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101:
The only image that we can reproduce in ancient Egyptian art that consistently looks like them is that of foreigners:
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
(Puntites not visible, but placed above) (Cretans barely visible above) Sudani's Syrians at the bottom _________________________________________Egyptians on the right
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Swinet, you are the blindest, most delusional, and most pig-headed buffoon I've ever come across. You are literally mentally ill. You are a very bad loser indeed, moreover.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: Swinet, you are the blindest, most delusional, and most pig-headed buffoon I've ever come across. You are literally mentally ill. You are a very bad loser indeed, moreover.
I love you too Rahotep
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
Nice Job K!!!
Also in isoating the lightes Images where it shows More Darker Skinned Egyptians...He also only uses the Lightest Modern Egyptians over Dark ones...
Also As I showed Earlier he photoshops or uses fake images..
Yes Jari, but I'm still not sure that that one is authentic. You can see the old fainted layer running parallel with the edges of their arms, it just reeks of a paint job, and a very bad one at that. Those females are out clearly of synch with the other females on that same wall. It also seems unlikely to me that the worn off plaster would target their legs, hair, but leave their skin perfectly intact, with the exception of their arms along the edges.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101:
The only image that we can reproduce in ancient Egyptian art that consistently looks like them is that of foreigners:
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
Jari, look at this one, you can clearly see that the their skin is affected, which is what you would expect given the rest of the damaged wall. How then, can it be totally the opposite on the other photo? You can also see the very dark paint left of the left arm (shoulder and distal segment) of the women to the far right (the one that is still visible), the dark remnant is the same color as the dancing musicians on the same wall.
The crack on the leg of the middle musician has the same color as the sitting females on the damaged section of that wall, which is another indication that the sitting ladies were originally as dark as them
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
^^^ I Agree if you see the Full Wall Image the Dancers on the Scene are the best Preserved.
Look at this one..(Obviously before they applied Restoration)Yet the Features and Hair obviously point to their Tropical Adaption. Good luck finding Med. Women like them..LOL.
Here is the full image..
Notice the Color of the Women in the center the Best Preserved..
Also notice the woman in the Lower Left Corner she is faded but better preserved and almost Identical to the Dancing Ladies..
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
You're just wriggling and playing games now. The challenge has been met and then some. You are all drowning in a sewer of fail. If you honestly think the ancient egyptian portraits look more like modern negroes whose lips stick out further than their noses then I'll have to get back to you about that when I've stopped laughing.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
BTW Kaonji the reason I said this was authentic was in context to Rahotep trying to pass a photoshopped image off as proof of light skinned Egyptians here...
Even With the Restoration Treatment the Image still comes out Darker and More Inclined to African Nilotics than what rahotep tries to pull.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
Uh huh. Even the blind musician is faded and out of sync with the rest of the seated males.
Like King says, this guy is a joke
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Even if there is a trace of negroid features in the Theban tomb painting images from the New Kingdom, the challenge was to do with colour. Surely the goal-posts aren't shifting again? The modern Egyptians do match the ancient Egyptains, in colour as well as physical type, for the most part.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
King is right too. Like I said just sit back and watch the Rat backed into a corner. You did a good job of exposing him. Also notice Calabooz and You beat his ass as well on the Anthropology and Genetics..
All he has left is cherry picked faded and photoshopped images. Many of which are probably photoshopped by his own hands.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Like King says, this guy is a joke
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
Let's face it TarotFool101 will always declare himself a winner when its over obvious he fails to come up to even minimal standards of what's asked of him making him perhaps the biggest loser ever encountered on ES.
Hem and haw jimmy jackin' with him is a waste of what could be good productive time developing meaningful threads on genetics, culture, history and so on and even some more of those YouTube jobbies.
The Fool's not here to objectively weigh evidence or acknowledge vivid color repros over washed out versions even when the facial features have not the slightest in common with north Mediterraneans or Levantines or Arabs.
You'll never convince a propagandist because his job is to promote propaganda at the expense of common sense and objective research. So why bother?
Time for a return to proactively presenting info on archaeology, anthropology, genetics, history, and all the other topics ES AE is famous for. Leave the Fool chase after his ding a ling on his own.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Look at how dark this restorationist is to the images he is restoring.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Same tomb in a better light.
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Another:
Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Another:
Posted by Sundjata (Member # 13096) on :
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Let's face it TarotFool101 will always declare himself a winner when its over obvious he fails to come up to even minimal standards of what's asked of him making him perhaps the biggest loser ever encountered on ES.
Hem and haw jimmy jackin' with him is a waste of what could be good productive time developing meaningful threads on genetics, culture, history and so on and even some more of those YouTube jobbies.
The Fool's not here to objectively weigh evidence or acknowledge vivid color repros over washed out versions even when the facial features have not the slightest in common with north Mediterraneans or Levantines or Arabs.
You'll never convince a propagandist because his job is to promote propaganda at the expense of common sense and objective research. So why bother?
Time for a return to proactively presenting info on archaeology, anthropology, genetics, history, and all the other topics ES AE is famous for. Leave the Fool chase after his ding a ling on his own.
^ Posted by A Simple Girl (Member # 18316) on :
Contrasting color images by the Egyptians themselves:
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: King is right too. Like I said just sit back and watch the Rat backed into a corner. You did a good job of exposing him. Also notice Calabooz and You beat his ass as well on the Anthropology and Genetics..
All he has left is cherry picked faded and photoshopped images. Many of which are probably photoshopped by his own hands.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Like King says, this guy is a joke
Jari what is the matter with you? I was challenged to find a certain type of image, therefore it is not fitting to accuse me of cherrypicking. If I was resorting to photoshop manipulation like your friends do then I would be as easily exposed as they are. Woopy doo the same picture looks brighter under flash photography. It doesn't mean it's misleading as the relative brightness of the whole image is readily apparent. By saying such things you just show yourself to be a graceless, sore loser. All the evidence in the world wouldn't convince you that the dark Nefertari image is fake because it suits your fantasy, yet with no evidence you accuse me of image manipulation! To hell with you! You wouldn't deign to question the authenticity of a black-looking Egyptian statue if it was made of plastic and had 'MADE IN HONG-KONG' stamped on the base.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
Altakruri I agree, We need to get back to what made E.S famous. In my opinion most of us we are the most unbiased when it comes to Egypt. Both me and You admit that there were Mediteranian Types in Egypt. I never see Euroclowns giving any kind of credence to the Black Egypt Population depite people from Zahi to Keita to Frank Yurko as well as Bio Antrhopologists who recognize their signifigance.
The Whore complains about Afrocentrics and claims he defends Egypt for Egyptians yet posted an Image of an Aswani Woman next to a Southern Sudanese Nubian being Killed. Funny part is I can do the same thing with Asiatics being killed to the Egyptians he posts, but I have more respect for Egyptians than that.
Anyway we need to stop giving this whore so much attention, it has been given pretty of info and is not here to be objective but to distort and propagandize. Its whole goal from the get go was probably to degrade Egyptsearch.
This thread is a good example of how the Rat Operates. Kalonji exposed him well.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Let's face it TarotFool101 will always declare himself a winner when its over obvious he fails to come up to even minimal standards of what's asked of him making him perhaps the biggest loser ever encountered on ES.
Hem and haw jimmy jackin' with him is a waste of what could be good productive time developing meaningful threads on genetics, culture, history and so on and even some more of those YouTube jobbies.
The Fool's not here to objectively weigh evidence or acknowledge vivid color repros over washed out versions even when the facial features have not the slightest in common with north Mediterraneans or Levantines or Arabs.
You'll never convince a propagandist because his job is to promote propaganda at the expense of common sense and objective research. So why bother?
Time for a return to proactively presenting info on archaeology, anthropology, genetics, history, and all the other topics ES AE is famous for. Leave the Fool chase after his ding a ling on his own.
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Just-call-me-Jerk
You are an abject hypocrite, and you are running scared. Your bias in favour of black Egyptians prevents you from answering a very simple question about how two objects of different colours and tones (and you know the ones I mean) can exist in the same place and under the same light and appear the same colour.
Egyptsearch is famous as nothing more than an afrocentric-delusion sustainment club. It's a joke. It's full of black Americans trying to prop up their precious fantasy of black-majority Egypt and precious little else gets discussed. Whole topic sections get completely ignored and fill up with spam adverts, while you people endlessly obsess over race, and attempt to lay claim to someone else's birthright. You seem to lack either shame or moderators.
The ancient Egyptians were fundamentally the same as the modern ones. It is obvious and there is neither genetic nor historical evidence to contradict it. You can't just say the paler modern Egyptians descend from relatively late semite invaders. There are abundant images of light-skinned ancients, as I have more than demonstrated, not that you will acknoweldge the fact.
There is ample evidence of near-Eastern presence in Egypt from the Neolithic onwards, for example:
quote: The Egyptian Western Desert lies on an important geographic intersection between Africa and Asia. Genetic diversity of this region has been shaped, in part, by climatic changes in the Late Pleistocene and Holocene epochs marked by oscillating humid and arid periods. We present here a whole genome analysis of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) and high-resolution molecular analysis of nonrecombining Y-chromosomal (NRY) gene pools of a demographically small but autochthonous population from the Egyptian Western Desert oasis el-Hayez. Notwithstanding signs of expected genetic drift, we still found clear genetic evidence of a strong Near Eastern input that can be dated into the Neolithic. This is revealed by high frequencies and high internal variability of several mtDNA lineages from haplogroup T. The whole genome sequencing strategy and molecular dating allowed us to detect the accumulation of local mtDNA diversity to 5,138 +/- 3,633 YBP. Similarly, theY-chromosome gene pool reveals high frequencies of the Near Eastern J1 and the North African E1b1b1b lineages, both generally known to have expanded within North Africa during the Neolithic. These results provide another piece of evidence of the relatively young population history of North Africa.
The only image that we can reproduce in ancient Egyptian art that consistently looks like them is that of foreigners:
^Canaanites
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
The only image that we can reproduce in ancient Egyptian art that consistently looks like them is that of foreigners:
^Canaanites
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
The only image that we can reproduce in ancient Egyptian art that consistently looks like them is that of foreigners:
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
Swinette, The Copts do not closely reseble the charicatured asiatics, because they lack the sharp features, as a rule. What they resemble are ancient Egyptians, as they are the direct descendants of ancient Egyptians. Why don't you post your own foolish face so we can see which set of foreigners you best resemble? I do believe you are ignoring a few things in your crazed bitterness, meanwhile... Permit me to refresh your memory.
I did nothing to it.
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
If you want to contiune spamming up your own thread and gratuitously insulting the real Egyptians then that's your affair. I've met your challenge, and now you're just playing silly buggers. It's not news that many ancient Egyptians were the same colour as their levantine neighbours, and that their descendants are similarly coloured. I just posted evidence for prehistoric common ancestry, if you were paying attention.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
Men lie, women lie, data doesn't. Although obviously lacking in a lack of global cranial variables, and his obsession with the nasal area, Brace (2005) found his bronze age Naqadan sample to plot closer to Africans than to modern Egyptians
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
The only image that we can reproduce in ancient Egyptian art that consistently looks like them is that of foreigners:
You do the math!!
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: If you want to contiune spamming up your own thread and gratuitously insulting the real Egyptians
What a slime you are. How Dare you accuse anyone of Insulting Egyptians when you posted this of an Aswani woman..
^^^^^ HOW FUCKING dare you say you defend Egypt for Egyptians showing an image of an Egyptian next to someone being slaugtered, and who looks nothing like her in the first place.
If you wanted to make you point you could have used any image of Nubian people in a more positive light, yet your hatred for an Aswani Egyptian Woman shows how you operate. When pushed you are no different than Afrocentrics who send death notes calling Delata Egyptians Arabs.
Show me where Calabooz showed images of White egyptians next to someone being slayed.
That Aswani Woman has just as much a f******g right to Egypt as the F*****g Copts, Who the **** are you anyway to disrepect her like that. Typical European treatment of an African woman be she Egyptian or from the Congo.
Speaking of Lips the lips of the Egyptian Women in the Mural are quite thick and fit in well with the Aswani Women perfectly.
Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: Yeah, I look darker with the lights down low, too. Swinet, If you put the modern Egyptians in the tomb with these paintings, against their painted ancestors, they would be the same colour, or darker, and the fact is fairly obvious. I could have posted your versions instead in support of the same case. Even in your darker images of the same paintings, they look more like modern Egyptians than anyone else. Man up and admit the fact and get a life.
You didn't ask for provenance, you're moving the goalposts again. Look it up yourself and discredit it if you can. You didn't say isolate groups including males either. The practice of painting men reddish brown and the women paler colour was common throughout the Mediterranean, including among Minoans and Etruscans. It doesn't mean these people weren't caucasians. You will also notice a number of paler male figures among the images already posted.
Why did you use fake images? I am just curious, why do Whites need to makeup stuff when it comes to Egypt? I get arguing for native Egyptian people's heritage but not the white washing of Egypt. Why the cult like twisting of history and distorting images to suit your own egos?
I watched Elizabeth Taylor's Cleopetra last night and in the chamber where Ceasar was sleeping, there was a picture of a White King Tut sitting on his golden chair.
Even though that particular scene is very well known portrayal of a dark skinned King Tut, Hollywood made him White as a lilly.
Why do Whites do this????
Or this for that matter???
Rather than this:
Posted by Calabooz' (Member # 18238) on :
White people wish the ancient Egyptians looked like them. Even this guy who, as Jari has noted repeatedly, wants Delta Egyptians to resemble ancient Egyptians because they look more like him. He even uses the name of an ancient Egyptian prince as a moniker
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: If you want to contiune spamming up your own thread and gratuitously insulting the real Egyptians then that's your affair. I've met your challenge, and now you're just playing silly buggers. It's not news that many ancient Egyptians were the same colour as their levantine neighbours, and that their descendants are similarly coloured. I just posted evidence for prehistoric common ancestry, if you were paying attention.
dude, seriously. you have no shame.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Whore-tep:
You are an abject hypocrite, and you are running scared.
Im not running scared dumbass Im right here is your face. Stop playing games.
quote:Originally posted by The Whore-tep: Your bias in favour of black Egyptians
Im not baised for anyone, I said it in the past and Ill say it again there were Light Skinned Egyptians in Ancient Egypt. Denying that is denying the Obvious.
What I am about is showing that Dark Skinned Egyptians exist and in Ancient times they were the Dominant Phenotype. Both Bio-Anthropology, Archeology, art, and the history of the Egyptians themselves testify to this fact.
It is you who is the one who is biased. Prove me wrong show me an Aswani, Kom Ombos, Elephantine, or Luxor Egyptian in your art. And don't play fucking dumb with me because you know what I mean, DARK SKINNED EGYPTIANS.
quote:Originally posted by The Whore-tep: prevents you from answering a very simple question about how two objects of different colours and tones (and you know the ones I mean) can exist in the same place and under the same light and appear the same colour.
I answered you Bullshit, which was fallacious to begin with. As I said the Woman in Normal Light V. Nefertari in Natural light look nothing alike. Further Damagine is the quality of the image and yet and still they look nothing alike.
I can answer it 20 to 100 times and you will still insist on following me like a lice on my god dammed dick.
It boils down to personal opinion, You have in your simple mind the Italian resembles Nefertari I have in my Mind she does not.
Move on, Its asinine.
I already figured out you wont accept it if Nefertari was Pitch Black with the Biggest Dick Sucking Camel Lips and and the Nappyist hair You still would not accept it..
Which is why your ass went bonkers over that recent Image of Nefertari, its burns you up seeing what you considered an Italian Egyptian actually a Dark Skinned Nilotic.
You dont accept it, and nothing I provide, even the most charcoal black Camel Lipped motherf%ker wont work for you.
So Get the **** over it, I already have.
quote:Originally posted by The Whore-tep: Egyptsearch is famous as nothing more than an afrocentric-delusion sustainment club. It's a joke.
Egyptsearch is well known for its studies and discussion of various topics. Now it is infested with Trolls of all sorts from the Albino Pseudo-Scholars to the Pseudo-Scholars such as yourself who has been debunked plenty of times..
quote:Originally posted by The Whore-tep: It's full of black Americans trying to prop up their precious fantasy of black-majority Egypt and precious little else gets discussed.
This coming from some Brit who posts Collages of Egyptians with Europeans and Italians..LOL seriously dude. Also please what have you done here that was not Egyptian race related, other than your skulls thread?? You are a Hypocrite.
quote:Originally posted by The Whore-tep: Whole topic sections get completely ignored and fill up with spam adverts, while you people endlessly obsess over race, and attempt to lay claim to someone else's birthright. You seem to lack either shame or moderators.
This coming from the same person who posts images of Egyptians next to Europeans. Who are you trying to fool. You use the Copts as a scapegoat to lay claim to Egypt and steal its so called birthright.
quote:Originally posted by The Whore-tep: The ancient Egyptians were fundamentally the same as the modern ones. It is obvious and there is neither genetic nor historical evidence to contradict it. You can't just say the paler modern Egyptians descend from relatively late semite invaders.
Once again this has already been adressed. Modern Egyptians are not the same as A. Egypt. The Range of Features of Modern Egyptians existed in A. Egypt but as been shown to you the Best representation would be Upper Egyptian and Northern Sudanese while the Southern Sudanese and Delta Egyptian Phenotype would be a minority.
I honestly don't see why if you were unbiased you would have a problem with this fact.
However doing so will deliver a death blow to your Egypt was Mediteranian Lie and a Deathbolow to your fantacy of Egypt being European. To do that you need the Cairan and Delta Egyptians.
There are abundant images of light-skinned ancients, as I have more than demonstrated, not that you will acknoweldge the fact.
See this is the problem, you talking out your ass. I already said there were lightskinned Egyptians in A. Egypt dummy. I acknowleded this fact before you were even known to exist on E.S. You can find plenty of quotes testifying to this years before you came here.
quote:Originally posted by The Whore-tep: There is ample evidence of near-Eastern presence in Egypt from the Neolithic onwards, for example:
What is "Near Eastern" there were blacks in the Near East As well, once again the Egyptian population came from the South and Western Deserts of Africa not the Near East.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': White people wish the ancient Egyptians looked like them.
Not all white people, some are level headed, Look at Basil Davidson, although Im not sure he considered Egypt to be "Negro" in the sense of what the word mean in his time but he def. admitted that Egypt roots and Founding and Creation was by black Africans and that Egypt was fundamentally more African. Again I chould be wrong but I have a lot of respect to Basil Davidson none the less... Most whites don't give a damn, they think Egypt is Arab.
quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': Even this guy who, as Jari has noted repeatedly, wants Delta Egyptians to resemble ancient Egyptians because they look more like him. He even uses the name of an ancient Egyptian prince as a moniker
I observed this from day one. As a matter of fact he came here claiming the Modern Egypt is Darker than Ancient Egypt due to slavery. He was refuted and has not brought it up again but I doubt he discarded that belief, if anything he keeps quiet on that because if further displays his Hypocrisy, In one hand he claims Anceint and Modern Egypt are the same but in the very same breath claims Modern Egypt is darker due to Slavery. This thread brought out his true nature, Not only did he call the Aswani woman a "Negro" on no Grounds but posted an image of a person being killed next to her. I posted that image purposely to see how he would react, I thought he would ignore it like he always does but their similarity to the Skin color of the Mural Painting over the Woman he used obviously struck a cord...
Like I said he uses the Delta Egyptians because they resemble him..
The Black Egyptians when next to Europeans complement their African Tropical origins..
Blows to hell and back any idea of a Med. Egypt, which is why him and his ilk are so afraid to accept the fact that they were the dominant phenotype.
They are the flip coin of Africentrics.
Posted by Calabooz' (Member # 18238) on :
quote:There is ample evidence of near-Eastern presence in Egypt from the Neolithic onwards, for example:
The sample size is so small in this study. And As the authors note:
"Notwithstanding signs of expected genetic drift"
You do know what genetic drift is right?
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
So much straw man. I dare say the Aswani woman may have ancestry in that region going back thousands of years but her facial features are typical of how ancient Egyptians represented their southern foes, not themselves, and that is the point I was making. You can't reasonably deny it. I don't see how I was any more disrespectful towards that particular woman than your friend Swenet has been to the Coptic Egyptians from my images- whom he has repeatedly insisted on comparing to ancient asiatics despite the ancient Egyptians I found who match their colour equally well. I didn't see you condemning that behaviour. You were saying something about hypocrisy I believe? Got a mirror handy?
And if you're not running scared, answer the question, please:
I don't need to be reminded of the existence of dark modern Egyptians, nor have I ever suggested that they are necessarily less authentic than their lighter-skinned compatriots, so much of this is quite unnecessary. There are light and dark modern Egyptians and there are light and dark paintings of ancient Egyptians. Astonishing, eh? Its you, Sewenut, who can't believe that the light-skinned modern Egyptians can descend from light-skinned ancient Egyptians. I don't understand this thinking.
You issued a challenge to produce images of groups of light skinned ancient Egyptians, matching the flesh tones of the modern ones in your photos. I found plenty, and there was not a fake among them. Will you be reasonable and concede the point? In what way did I fail? Why do you fail to admit the likelihood that light-skinned modern Egyptians are their direct descendants of the light-skinned ancient Egyptians?
Osirion, how is it even remotely relevant that someone who was not me painted a blond Jesus, or if someone else painted a yellow tutankhamun? Did I include these images, I think not!
Gang up spam up, all very predictable. Genetic study proves that modern Egyptians are the same as the ancients, there's nothing about it being only the dark ones:
I was asked me a bit more nicely about identifying these images, so here goes...
1 Tomb of Nefertari QV 66. 2 Tomb of Nefertari 3 Great Harris Papyrus showing Ramesses III 4 Hunefer Papyrus (Book of the Dead) 5 Nany Papyrus (B o t D) 6 Nebqed (B o t D) 18th Dyn. 7 Papyrus of the lady Anhai ( B o t D) 8 Moutners, tomb of Ramose, 18th Dynasty 9 Ramesses III and prince Khaemwaset, 19th dynasty. Tomb of Khaemwaset, QV 44. 10 Papyrus of the lady Anhai. (B o t D) 10b Nebqed funeral scene (B o t D) 11 B o t D, unknown provenance. 12 Tutankhamun and Ankhesenamun from a chest lid, Tutakhamun's tomb, 18th Dyn. 13 Egyptian servant figurines carrying baskets. Not sure where this particular example is, but similar 11th/12th dynasty examples are to be seen in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo... And from the Palais Royale museum in Paris: 14 Nebqed (B o t D) 15 Tomb painting of couple playing senet, from University of Waterloo website http://gamesmuseum.uwaterloo.ca/VirtualExhibits/Ancient/Senet/index.html Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
quote:Originally posted by Calabooz':
quote:There is ample evidence of near-Eastern presence in Egypt from the Neolithic onwards, for example:
The sample size is so small in this study. And As the authors note:
"Notwithstanding signs of expected genetic drift"
You do know what genetic drift is right?
You do know what 'notwithstanding' means, right?
'Near Eastern' does not suggest fairs northern European types, but would encompass the peoples ranging from Palestine to Armenia and Georgia. Such types appear to be fairly well represented in both anciet and modern Egypt.
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': White people wish the ancient Egyptians looked like them.
Not all white people, some are level headed, Look at Basil Davidson, although Im not sure he considered Egypt to be "Negro" in the sense of what the word mean in his time but he def. admitted that Egypt roots and Founding and Creation was by black Africans and that Egypt was fundamentally more African. Again I chould be wrong but I have a lot of respect to Basil Davidson none the less... Most whites don't give a damn, they think Egypt is Arab.
quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': Even this guy who, as Jari has noted repeatedly, wants Delta Egyptians to resemble ancient Egyptians because they look more like him. He even uses the name of an ancient Egyptian prince as a moniker
I observed this from day one. As a matter of fact he came here claiming the Modern Egypt is Darker than Ancient Egypt due to slavery. He was refuted and has not brought it up again but I doubt he discarded that belief, if anything he keeps quiet on that because if further displays his Hypocrisy, In one hand he claims Anceint and Modern Egypt are the same but in the very same breath claims Modern Egypt is darker due to Slavery. This thread brought out his true nature, Not only did he call the Aswani woman a "Negro" on no Grounds but posted an image of a person being killed next to her. I posted that image purposely to see how he would react, I thought he would ignore it like he always does but their similarity to the Skin color of the Mural Painting over the Woman he used obviously struck a cord...
Like I said he uses the Delta Egyptians because they resemble him..
The Black Egyptians when next to Europeans complement their African Tropical origins..
[IMG] [IMG] [IMG] [IMG] [IMG] Blows to hell and back any idea of a Med. Egypt, which is why him and his ilk are so afraid to accept the fact that they were the dominant phenotype.
They are the flip coin of Africentrics.
Picture spam time! It's quite easy to find pictures of black Americans visiting Egyptians who look white next to them!
By the way, why is it 'black travel' when black people do it, and 'travel' when white people do it?
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
A few more, including males as light as some of the women...
Posted by Calabooz' (Member # 18238) on :
quote:You do know what 'notwithstanding' means, right?
Of course I do. What they are saying is that, although there was a Near Eastern influence there are clear signs of genetic drift. How is that relevant to the fact that you have no idea what genetic drift is?
Where is the scientific evidence that they looked like Georgians or Armenians? There is none. This is simply a product of your interpretation of subjective artwork, not objective anthropological studies.
That's all I have to say in this thread. You're expected to respond to the challenge issued here:
There wouldn't be any different racial types (or even species) but for genetic drift. Egyptians started to evolve apart from Southern Africans due to their relative geographical isolation, and they were subsequently influenced by back-migrating Eurasians, from a population that has undergone further and more extensive genetic drift outside of Africa.
It is self-evident that many Egyptians resemble Georgians and Armenians. The ancient people of Georgia were the Colchians, and their resemblance to the Egyptians was noted by Herodotus. Rohl describes the dynastic race as Armenoid, although on precisely what basis I'm not yet clear.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
ROTFLMAOH @ this idiotic thread!
I see Da-whore has nothing left but to cling on to select images of women painted symbolically yellow, yet NEVER the countless images of women in their true dark (black) color let alone men! And when he is presented with images of dark women, he compares them to white women in dim light or selects the darkest spots on their faces with his silly color palette!!
The guy is obviously deranged!
quote:Originally posted by Dawhoreslips101: There wouldn't be any different racial types (or even species) but for genetic drift. Egyptians started to evolve apart from Southern Africans due to their relative geographical isolation, and they were subsequently influenced by back-migrating Eurasians, from a population that has undergone further and more extensive genetic drift outside of Africa.
Any evidence for all these claims?? How were Egyptians isolated from other Africans when archaeology and anthropology shows they are actually a continuation of other Africans since again for the hundredth time the Sahara desert did not always exist thus no such thing as African populations being divided into "North" and "Sub-Sahara" even today there are many blacks who live as far north as Tunisia let alone the many black Egyptians who live in the Delta today. Yes Eurasian back-migration occurred but only in HISTORICAL times with the Arab-Islamic invasion and the Ottoman Turkish Empire being two large sources of influx!
quote:It is self-evident that many Egyptians resemble Georgians and Armenians. The ancient people of Georgia were the Colchians, and their resemblance to the Egyptians was noted by Herodotus. Rohl describes the dynastic race as Armenoid, although on precisely what basis I'm not yet clear.
How many times must we tell you that the ONLY Egyptians who resemble Georgians and Armenians are northern Delta people who ARE Georgians and Armenians as noted by historical records of such immigrants coming in during the Ottoman Period!
As for Herodotus, here is what he actually stated!
"It is in fact manifest that the Colchians are Egyptian by race ... several Egyptians told me that in their opinion the Colchians were descended from soldiers of Sesostris. I had conjectured as much myself from two pointers, firstly because they have black skins and wooly hair (to tell the truth this proves nothing for other peoples have them too) and secondly, and more reliably for the reason that alone among mankind the Egyptians and the Ethiopians have practiced circumcision since time immemorial..."
So quit with the lies already!
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by DaWhoreSlips: As for the yellow 'artistic convention' why would a black African people invent such a convention?...
If you think it wasn't a convention but realistic, why is there such a color disparity between the sexes with men being portrayed remarkably darker with complexions of mahogany to chocolate?? Do you really think such a color disparity among sexes of a general population exists? Even mainstream Egyptologists acknowledge that such artistic portrayals were not real but symbolic, yet interesting how they all agree the symbolism was in the female color and NOT the male. Why would they assume the female color is symbolic and not the male?? Obviously they know something about the physical appearance of ancient Egyptians as gleaned from physical anthropology. The aforementioned field of study for decades now has made it quite clear how the Egyptians looked like (no different from other indigenous northeast Africans) and trust me they did not resemble Europeans or peoples of the Caucasus! LOL
As for the reason why a black African people would choose such a convention, no one knows. All that is known is that the yellow color symbolizes the feminine. Many Egyptologists like Gay Robins suggest the color to have some spiritual or ritual symbolism.
I will say there are societies in Africa today, particularly Afrisian speakers from the Horn to the Sahara where women would wear yellowish makeup especially during special occasions.
quote:Originally posted by A Simpleton: Contrasting color images by the Egyptians themselves:
Actually young boys who have not reached adulthood and have not been circumcised were also painted in the same lighter convention as women.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': White people wish the ancient Egyptians looked like them.
Actually it has been my experience that far more white people than you think are open to the possibility of the ancient Egyptians being black. Outside the Internet I've had plenty of success convincing my white family, friends, and peers. It's actually not that difficult to do, for most white people in America know at least that Egypt is in Africa and that ancient Egyptian culture was in some way distinct from modern "Arabic" Egyptian culture; all you have to do is connect those dots for them.
It's the white people who have been exposed to the Eurocentric perspective, with all of its distortions, who are the least receptive. That's why spending all our energy trying to reason with the likes of rahotep101 and the other trolls is a waste of energy that would be better spent educating the open-minded. Better to write the truth on a blank slate than chisel out the lies on a damaged one.
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