Study suggests Black women are more sexually objectified than White women
New research provides evidence that Black women are sexually objectified by White people to a greater degree than are White women. The study was published in Psychology of Women Quarterly.
The research sought to investigate the Jezebel stereotype — the belief that Black women are innately promiscuous and hypersexual.
“As a field, we are continuing to establish evidence about how we constitutes attributions of ‘humanness,'” said study author Joel Anderson of the Australian Catholic University.
“For example, there are constantly improvements in the complexities of human-machine interactions (consider how life-life robots can be these days!). However, it is equally important to understand why we sometimes deny these attributions to other groups of humans — and in particular, it is important to understand the mechanisms driving these processes and the risk-factors that make certain social groups more vulnerable to being objectified or dehumanised.”
The researchers conducted an eye-tracking experiment with 38 White college students, which found that participants attended more often, and for longer durations, to the sexual body parts of Black women compared to White women. This was especially true when the women were wearing bikinis rather than normal clothing.
In two more experiments, which included another 251 White participants, the researchers used a Go/No-Go Association Task to assess automatic associations between race and certain concepts. The associations with human attributes did not significantly differ between White and Black woman, but Black women were more strongly associated with both animals and objects.
All of the participants were from the United States.
“The Jezebel stereotype is still alive and kicking. Although blatant instances of the dehumanization and objectification of Black people have attenuated over time, subtle and dehumanizing perceptions still exist,” Anderson told PsyPost.
“We measured these inter-group processes using eye-tracking software and implicit measures, and we found considerable evidence that Black women are both objectified and dehumanized to a greater extent than White women.”
“Specifically, relative to White women, Black women were more frequently targets of an objectifying gaze (i.e., participants fixated more often on their the hips/waist and chest) and were implicitly (non-consciously) associated with words about animals and machines (relative to words about humanity),” Anderson said.
Like all research, the study includes some limitations.
“This is a first-step in this important line of research. We used categorical target race groups (i.e., visually identifiable as Black or White). This overlooks the complexities of the issue, for example, some Black people are less stereotypically Black in their visual appearance, and this might impact how they are perceived by others,” Anderson explained.
“Identifying as bi-racial might be either a protective factor or a risk factor for objectifying and dehumanising processes. In addition, it is important to understand if minority groups apply this process towards their own group. Little is known about the prevalence and impact of self-dehumanization for vulnerable social groups.”
The study, “Revisiting the Jezebel Stereotype: The Impact of Target Race on Sexual Objectification“, was authored by Joel R. Anderson, Elise Holland, Courtney Heldreth, and Scott P. Johnson.
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Moved to Kemet as I felt the topic was more appropriate there than in Hetheru’s Corner (the latter forum being more about arts and culture than racial politics).
quote:Originally posted by BrandonP: Moved to Kemet as I felt the topic was more appropriate there than in Hetheru’s Corner (the latter forum being more about arts and culture than racial politics).
This thread does not belong here either... it literally belongs in Lioness Deshret thread.. since her subjects are as follows
Deshret History, Race, Sociocultural discussion, alternative theories
Since it black women's objectification is related to history, race, and society and culture
PLEASE MOVE IT...
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Since it black women's objectification is related to history, race, and society and culture
PLEASE MOVE IT...
Yes move ot back. This should have stayed in Hetheru's Corner. Art is part of culture no doubt. Art is not immune form criticism, whether it be a music videos or cartoons. Cultures is not some isolated thing with no manifestation, not at all.
and since Black woman can be hypersexualized and objectified and are for money it should be in Hetheru's Corner. Eve if it makes some people uncomfortable
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Interesting study, but maybe it ought to be expanded with experiments about how black males look at black and white women for comparison. Maybe also other groups should be included to get a broader perception of different attitudes between and inside racial groups.
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Since it black women's objectification is related to history, race, and society and culture
PLEASE MOVE IT...
Yes move ot back. This should have stayed in Hetheru's Corner. Art is part of culture no doubt. Art is not immune form criticism, whether it be a music videos or cartoons. Cultures is not some isolated thing with no manifestation, not at all.
and since Black woman can be hypersexualized and objectified and are for money it should be in Hetheru's Corner. Eve if it makes some people uncomfortable
NO it belongs in your forum.. since it is a social cultural discussion money is besides the point
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You know what, Yatunde, you’re right. I get the function of the Kemet and Deshret forums confused sometimes. I have no power to move threads out of Kemet, but I will notify the admins about it.
quote:Originally posted by BrandonP: You know what, Yatunde, you’re right. I get the function of the Kemet and Deshret forums confused sometimes. I have no power to move threads out of Kemet, but I will notify the admins about it.
Thanks
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Yes this topic fits best in Deshret. as Yatunde points out.
...as it relates to the OP.
This whole ordeal is shallow. "Objectified more than white women"
Men objectify women universally. We naturally instinctively do so until we get more experienced. So as expected the magnitude of said objectification will be heightened when looking outside of you bio-social sphere. Wanna see objectification? you go to India or some far east country and have locker room talk about European (typically white) women. There's a weird trend of stigmatizing human nature by perceiving everything about us as some social construct. Of course BW will be objectified more that WM in america, the latter outnumber the former 3 fold.
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quote:Men objectify women universally. We naturally instinctively do so until we get more experienced. So as expected the magnitude of said objectification will be heightened when looking outside of you bio-social sphere. Wanna see objectification? you go to India or some far east country and have locker room talk about European (typically white) women. There's a weird trend of stigmatizing human nature by perceiving everything about us as some social construct. Of course BW will be objectified more that WM in america, the latter outnumber the former 3 fold.
I don't know if sexual desire as such is really the same thing as objectification. You don't necessarily think of a woman as a lesser human being simply because you think she's hot. Even saying she has a nice rack or a nice booty shouldn't be much different from saying she has pretty eyes or a cute smile since you are commenting on physical qualities in all those cases.
For it to be objectification, I think, there has to be an aspect of dehumanization, degradation, or disrespect. And you do see that in certain areas of pop culture, such as men calling women "bitches" or "hoes" in porn or music videos. And yes, there are too many guys out there who treat women in a callous and disrespectful way. But that's not the same thing as simple sexual appreciation of anyone.
quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro: Yes this topic fits best in Deshret. as Yatunde points out.
...as it relates to the OP.
This whole ordeal is shallow. "Objectified more than white women"
Men objectify women universally. We naturally instinctively do so until we get more experienced. So as expected the magnitude of said objectification will be heightened when looking outside of you bio-social sphere. Wanna see objectification? you go to India or some far east country and have locker room talk about European (typically white) women. There's a weird trend of stigmatizing human nature by perceiving everything about us as some social construct. Of course BW will be objectified more that WM in america, the latter outnumber the former 3 fold.
The best fit for the thread in my opinion is where the forum where the hypersexualizing of and fetishizing of Black women is going on and being sold
That's being covered up and excuses made for
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The best fit for the thread in my opinion is where the forum where the hypersexualizing of and fetishizing of Black women is going on and being sold
That's being covered up and excuses made for
So basically this is lioness being passive-aggressive again, trying to rile up someone who frequently posts in Deshret without having the courage to even say a name (though I think I know whom you are trying to troll). That's all they have ever fucking done on ES, passive-aggressively trolling people with non-sequiturs and anonymous callouts. That is not behavior any forum should tolerate.
They should consider themselves lucky the site admins need someone to moderate the Deshret subforum. Were it up to me, I would have kicked lioness out and deleted the whole Deshret forum a long time ago.
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It could spoken about without me putting you on full blast for hypersexualizing of and fetishizing of Black women
quote:Originally posted by BrandonP: A few hundred millennia ago, this prehistoric woman has invented a pose that will be immortalized in the annals of history as the classic "Jack-O" pose. It's perhaps the most significant development for humankind since the domestication of fire!
this is racial hit-it-from-the-back sexual fantasy. It's presented like it's educational. and it's disrespect of Black women as sex objects
If somebody is going call me a troll and say my moderatorship should taken away (yet hypocritcally make various comments about the content of my threads) then that person's sex fetish is going to be exposed, because it's being sold and "promoted"
quote:Originally posted by One Third African: It's a hot day on the African plains circa 200,000 BC, so you could say this early Homo sapiens woman is dressed for the occasion!
That's part of the fun of drawing prehistoric humans. In most circumstances, you get to make up their outfits (or lack thereof).
It's a fetish being promoted, the hyper-sexalization of Black women and you can click for the uncensored version. And we are supposed to not notice it because " 200,000 BC" is attached to it
I'm tired of this soft race-porn being promoted
quote:Originally posted by BrandonP: Oshun, the Yoruba orisha (or divinity) of love and beauty, is taking a bath in the river in Nigeria that bears her name. The river in question flows through the country’s southwestern corner, passing through the city of Osogbu on its way to the Gulf of Guinea.
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^ So I presume you would be happier with imagery like this?
In all honesty, though, I don't think you give a damn about this supposed "cause", Giant. All you're looking for is a fight. That's all you've done on this forum since Day One, try to irritate the fuck out of the other posters. You wore out any welcome you had here years ago.
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No, this is an Egyptology and ancient history website we don't need sexist pin-up girl cartoons. That is completely useless and objectification of women.
This has bothered me for a long time and I have complained about it before, it's a racial sex fetish pretending to be history
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^ This coming from the same person who started a thread in the Egyptology subforum claiming that there were naturally blond AE, with the implication clearly being that they were of a "Caucasoid" or European-like race. You're not fooling anyone with this act here.
quote:Originally posted by BrandonP: ^ This coming from the same person who started a thread in the Egyptology subforum claiming that there were naturally blond (and therefore presumably Nordic) AE. You're not fooling anyone with this act here.
That is the last thing I will say in this thread.
It's a thread from July you are using to deflect
I came across this photo of a wig in the Petrie collection and I don't think it was ever discussed before.
I never claimed there were blonds in Egypt (but so what if I did). I showed the artifact and then quoted various experts discussing it.
You can't discuss something like this because you are too busy sucking up and patronizing to try to excuse your weird exploitive racial fetish.
"presumably Nordic" , those are your ancestors I never said anything about "Nords" In fact there was a poster named "white Nord" that I got banned. So go back and wank in your hoochie momma dinosaur fantasy land.
A thread about a wig does not exonerate or have anything to do with your racial fetishes
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quote:Originally posted by BrandonP: I don't know if sexual desire as such is really the same thing as objectification. You don't necessarily think of a woman as a lesser human being simply because you think she's hot. Even saying she has a nice rack or a nice booty shouldn't be much different from saying she has pretty eyes or a cute smile since you are commenting on physical qualities in all those cases.
For it to be objectification, I think, there has to be an aspect of dehumanization, degradation, or disrespect. And you do see that in certain areas of pop culture, such as men calling women "bitches" or "hoes" in porn or music videos. And yes, there are too many guys out there who treat women in a callous and disrespectful way. But that's not the same thing as simple sexual appreciation of anyone.
Women Are initially perceived as sexual objects. And men are perceived as violent ones. I think a layer of objectification is required for sexual desire though it's less about desire and more about curiosity. It's more of a natural instinct. I don't think objectification requires disrespect or degradation but can be perceived as such based on how it's handled. "Sexual appreciation" sounds better than objectification but it's truly the same if not worse (based on perception). The truth is, your willingness or curiosity about engaging in sexual exchange with someone will always be perceived negatively if it's not reciprocated and that is where the issue lies.
As it pertains to the racial element there's a reality checklist of things to go through before we arrive at dehumanization. - Acknowledgement in differences in body composition. - Sexual inexperience with people outside of your social circle. - indiscriminant sexual practices (despite relationship preference.)
And when we do arrive at behavior which can be seen as dehumanizing such as comparing people to objects and animals I think we have to be hyper critical as to why. Is the goal to dehumanize, or is it how men rationalize why they like what they see. Notice how when people sexualize non humans or things they almost 100% of the time anthropomorphize them or give it human traits. From furries to sexy extension-chords everything is given the relative anatomy of a human female. It's naturally contradictory...fact of the matter is, Most men are aroused or interested in sex with women. Human women. Personable and or non physical traits are not a requirement for a males sexual interest. It just so happens that those are the traits we consider exclusively human; therefor men dehumanize women.
..it's a slippery slope.
It's one of those uncomfortably messy things about human nature. But it's much deeper than a social construct. Black women aren't objectified by white men because rappers call them bitches and hoes. They aren't objectified solely because of racism though it should play a minor part. There's way more things to consider before arriving at culture to explain something that's pretty much universal among human beings. I'm certain that if black men in the majority were surveyed the conclusion would be flipped. Most men in general would prefer pursue a relationship or have an emotional investment with women within their respective sphere (race,culture) however men's selectivity (sexually) is non-discriminatory. That facet alone plays a huge part in how we perceive men's inclination to objectifying women outside of their "race".
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It is always interesting to see who is attracted (sexually, but also in other ways) to whom. Some answers we can maybe glean from statistics from dating sites where certain patterns have been recognized. Seems there is a kind of racial hierarchy in peoples preferences and choice of potential partners (at least here in the west).
Seems like Asian women are considered at the top of attractiveness, followed by Latino women. Black women are least sought after. This goes both for White and Black men.
When concerns men, it seems White men are most sought after, followed by Black men who at least are sought after by Black women.
Seems race still is an important factor in sexual relations and/or choice of partner
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Seems race still is an important factor in sexual relations and/or choice of partner
Why wouldn't that be the case? If people are still having ethnic problems than why skip that and jump to race? It seems illogical to me to not have some sense of peace with your neighbor and aligned yourself with group you don't have any kind of connection to.
Wow! I remember seeing something like this a few years back. What's ridiculous about the diagram is Asian and Latino are too nebulous of a term to gather whether white, Indigenous or African lLatinos are being used,which night skew the respondents answer. Also in Asia,colorism does exist so I wonder If there is a bias to account for. Lastly,Black had a higher percentage of wanting to date out amongst all men,I want to believe that isn't right.
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quote:Originally posted by Elmaestro: @Lioness So you made this thread to get at Brandon for fetishizing black women?
Why not just Make a transparent thread about that?
Because I realized this website doesn't do things like other websites. Normally you might see see moderators arguing a topic a topic but attacking each other publicly about moderation. Those types of disputes are handled behind the scenes normally and I complained about this before So I decided that although that's not how things should be done I'm not going to sit back and let people take shots at me publicly with no retaliation
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quote:Originally posted by BrandonP: Today, I am excited to announce that I have published my newest historical-fiction novella, The Slave Prince of Zimbabwe, on the Kindle store. It's set primarily in the medieval civilization of Great Zimbabwe in southern Africa, around 1215 AD.
quote:Hailing from the land known as Ruthenia in eastern Europe, Drazhan Khazanov has found himself forced into bondage and brought all the way to the Sultanate of Kilwa on the southeastern coast of Africa. His master the Sultan has offered him a chance at manumission if he can abduct the fierce and beautiful Mambokadzi of Zimbabwe. But when she foils Drazhan's attempts to capture her and offers him an alternate path to the freedom he craves, they find themselves confronting the wrath of not only his former master but also the mightiest empire in the medieval world.
You can read a couple of excerpts from the new novella here on my writing blog, or listen to my reading them out loud on Youtube.
this is his latest post, January 6
I would like to know the marketing strategy. Who's going to buy this book? 15 year old white boys who have this fantasy that the warriors of Zimbabwe are going to let their women get down white slave? "Beat me with that whip mistress, hit me again, I've been naughty you wonderful big assesed hoochie mama"
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quote: Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Seems like Asian women are considered at the top of attractiveness, followed by Latino women. Black women are least sought after. This goes both for White and Black men.
@Archeopteryx
I Don't know where you got this ideal from, but...
Black Men (on average) are most attracted to Black Women.
Black Men, are "Body First" when it comes to attraction, especially when it come to the "Back Side".
Black Women win this hands down. And all "Brothas" know this!
Asian Woman (on average) don't fit the body aesthetic that most Black Men are checking for.
Order of Women Black Men are Checking for (on average):
1. Black Women 2. Latina/Hispanic Women. 3. Some White Women (If they have "Black Women aesthetics"). 4. "Middle Eastern" Women. 5. Asian Women (If they have "Black Women Aesthetics").
Black Men (on average) prefer "Thick Women".
The problem with many of these "Studies" is that they are created in "Echo Chambers", and don't reflect the actual facts.
Go check who the average Black Man is following on Instagram (or social media in general), 9 times out of 10 is going to be a "Sista".
Any other "Non Black" chicks they follow, typically have "Black Women Aesthetics", either naturally or artificially (BBL, Surgery).
Regarding Asian Women, Black Men (on average) are checking for Filipina, Cambodian, Laotian Women who (on average) are "Thicker".
Before they are checking for any other types of Asian Women.
The issue, is that "White People" are used as the "Litmus Test", on which the rest of the world is judged by.
Black Men and Women walk by the beat of our own drum, and have our own reasons why we like or don't like certain things.
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Also there is a reason a lot of these "Non Black" Instagram "Models" have resorted to "Black Fishing".
As the "Black Women Aesthetics" bring them more attention. Otherwise their would ZERO reason to "Black Fish" for followers.
I don't know any "Brotha" that would turn down Beyonce for Scarlet Johansson, or Angela Basset for Angelina Jolie.
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Dating apps could probably bolster the fetishization case as most people who use a "Dating" app are using it for a quick hook up.
If Black women are fetishized Im sure Asian women are more so, if we are going by the standards of white men, which the purpose of this thread seems to be.
I never understood racism, like the same people who bemoan Globaliztion and Multiculturalism are almost obsessed with Asian women, Latinas, Anime etc. They pretend they want a white ethnostatem pretending that even if they did create one in like one generation they would break their necks to find and Asian or Mexican chick to hook up with.
But thats just it Racism can't exist without an "other", remove that other and human nature will resort to discrimination against whoever fills the void at the bottom.
The most ironic thing I ever saw was a white friend who married and had a kid with a Mexican bemoan how white people were going to disappear in 100 years, (an idea which in itself is stupid and not going to happen)....Like I was astonished at the Irony
quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: It is always interesting to see who is attracted (sexually, but also in other ways) to whom. Some answers we can maybe glean from statistics from dating sites where certain patterns have been recognized. Seems there is a kind of racial hierarchy in peoples preferences and choice of potential partners (at least here in the west).
Seems like Asian women are considered at the top of attractiveness, followed by Latino women. Black women are least sought after. This goes both for White and Black men.
When concerns men, it seems White men are most sought after, followed by Black men who at least are sought after by Black women.
Seems race still is an important factor in sexual relations and/or choice of partner
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The Lioness you're not even constributing to your own thread you're just trolling Brandon P for no real reason as he's not even engaging you.....
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: The Lioness you're not even constributing to your own thread you're just trolling Brandon P for no real reason as he's not even engaging you.....
he was engaging me in other threads in two other forums, trying to spark Djehuti on me (which of course worked) I fight back at a certain point but his fetish for African women has always struck me as weird and objectifying and I don't think a pin up mentality (he use this term) should be disguised as history. He's exposed. Maybe because you're male you don't care but he's not engaging because he knows it's indefensible and embarrassing And the thread was on it's way to inactivity until your ass showed up - that's sneak trolling, highlight the thing by bringing it back up to the top and then try to skirt responsibility
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quote:Originally posted by Ty Daniels: Also there is a reason a lot of these "Non Black" Instagram "Models" have resorted to "Black Fishing".
As the "Black Women Aesthetics" bring them more attention. Otherwise their would ZERO reason to "Black Fish" for followers.
I don't know any "Brotha" that would turn down Beyonce for Scarlet Johansson, or Angela Basset for Angelina Jolie.
The statistics I referred to was made on dating sites and reflects what people on those sites preferred. It is of course difficult to know how those preferences apply outside those sites
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I've been on better terms with BrandonP recently its unfortunate you did not start a new thread as opposed to reviving this one which had it's time
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You need a study to confirm this?? It's called hip-hop culture and Hollywood which is controlled propaganda and social engineering. This is done on purpose.
There is a West African (Yoruba?) proverb that goes something like the morals of a community or nation come from the morals of its mothers. When the women/mothers are debased then so is the community/nation. And debasing women becomes easy when the fathers/men are taken out of the way.
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