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Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

here is what Ancient Egypt shares with East Africa

Egypt and East Africa share clay hats

the v scarfs shared with south Africa xhosa people

Ancient Egypt beadworks and Bantu bead work similarity

Ancient Egypt wearing animal coats like Black Africans

the hairstyles that is shared with East Africa:

egyptians and other east Africans with shared head carrying ways

Similar look of Ancient Egyptians and Africans

All these show cultural similarity that is not shared with the levant so how does the levant compare.

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

All these show cultural similarity that is not shared with the levant so how does the levant compare.

show us something from the ancient Levant that is dissimilar

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

All these show cultural similarity that is not shared with the levant so how does the levant compare.
show us something from the ancient Levant that is dissimilar

why would I waste my time when the proof is inside the culture of today. The levant and near east has no aspect of culture shared with the Ancient Egyptians

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
The levant and near east has no aspect of culture shared with the Ancient Egyptians

can you prove it or show any evidence of dissimilarity or just take your word for it?

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
The levant and near east has no aspect of culture shared with the Ancient Egyptians
can you prove it or show any evidence of dissimilarity or just take your word for it?

Then post evidence of levant people with hairstyles, beadworks, braids and clay hats and scarfs that is comparable to Ancient Egypt and Black Africa

Posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey (Member # 22253) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

All these show cultural similarity that is not shared with the levant so how does the levant compare.
show us something from the ancient Levant that is dissimilar

Your question/challenge is arse backwards you know that...How long have you actually been on this website? You should know all this stuff already, smh.

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

The Egyptians didn't wear clay hats

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
The Egyptians didn't wear clay hats

Wrong

Egyptians with clay hats

why dont you actually look at what I posted.

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey:

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

All these show cultural similarity that is not shared with the levant so how does the levant compare.
show us something from the ancient Levant that is dissimilar
Your question/challenge is arse backwards you know that...How long have you actually been on this website? You should know all this stuff already,

A claim is being made "similarity that is not shared with the levant"
therefore the burden of proof is on the claimant to show incongruity
(ES code 314, b)

I don't recall that being a frequent topic on ES,
"How the Levantine culture Differs form the Egyptian"

- didn't Akhenaten inspire Judaic monotheism?

Levantines

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

why dont you actually look at what I posted. [/QB]

I did look at it,
again, The Egyptians did not wear clay hats

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

why dont you actually look at what I posted.
I did look at it,
again, The Egyptians did not wear clay hats [/QB]

again you are wrong:

the clay hats are shared with Black Africa and Ancient Egypt

The picture clearly shows Ancient Egyptians with clay hats comparable to the Maasai women and the Black African Male.

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

I think these collars are similar. I wonder who had them first, South Africans or Egyptians

Posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey (Member # 22253) on :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFzyS_oBTeM

ANCIENT AFRICANS IN THE NEAR EAST/LEVANT

Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

I think these collars are similar. I wonder who had them first, South Africans or Egyptians

Are we going to ignore that Nguni clustered as closest match to AE according to popaffiliator matching of autosomal dna of new kingdom pharaohs?
Surely direct match with dna and clear cultural continuity is smoking gun territory...

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

Seems there's no cultural connection to the levant and near east.

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Seems there's no cultural connection to the levant and near east.

Did you watch this ?? >>

quote:
Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFzyS_oBTeM

ANCIENT AFRICANS IN THE NEAR EAST/LEVANT

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Seems there's no cultural connection to the levant and near east.
Did you watch this ?? >>

quote:
Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFzyS_oBTeM

ANCIENT AFRICANS IN THE NEAR EAST/LEVANT

How does that show culture, what did you find out from watching that video that shows culture that levant shares with Ancient Egypt

You can List the similarity of culture shared with Ancient Egypt and the levant and near east

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/culture

culture

1
a
: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group
also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time
popular culture
Southern culture
b
: the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization
a corporate culture focused on the bottom line
c
: the set of values, conventions, or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or societal characteristic
studying the effect of computers on print culture
Changing the culture of materialism will take time …
—Peggy O'Mara
d
: the integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Seems there's no cultural connection to the levant and near east.
Did you watch this ?? >>

quote:
Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFzyS_oBTeM

ANCIENT AFRICANS IN THE NEAR EAST/LEVANT
How does that show culture, what did you find out from watching that video that shows culture that levant shares with Ancient Egypt

You can List the similarity of culture shared with Ancient Egypt

The video is mainly showing Egyptian influence on
Persian and Mesopotamian art and architecture
That is a more fundamental cultural influence than
borrowing clothing and jewelry elements

although Persia and ancient Iran are not in the Levant but you included Near East in your thread title that they are a part of

As for Egyptian/Levantine connections

https://egyptianexpedition.org/articles/contacts-between-egypt-and-the-southern-levant-in-the-late-early/

Contacts between Egypt and the Southern Levant in the Late Early Bronze Age: An Open Question

The second half of the third millennium BCE is traditionally interpreted as a period of intense interactions between the southern Levant and Egypt. In past scholarship, interpretative frameworks for these activities have centered either on conflicts or commercial relations linked to the trade of southern Levantine copper with Egypt, both considered limited to the time of the Old Kingdom with virtually no evidence of contacts afterward until the early Middle Kingdom. However, nothing is virtually known about southern Levantine– Egyptian connections during this time span. This article reconsiders, from the southern Levant perspective, the impact of the lack of chronological resolution in the sub-phasing of the southern Levantine Early Bronze IV on this question and discusses how recent archaeological research may enhance our understanding of this phase in an interregional context.

__________________________________

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

__________________________________

Reconsidering Egyptian-South Levantine Interaction: Evidence from Early Bronze Age II Contexts at Tell es-Sultan and Tell el-Far‘ah North
Vol. 37: Egypt and the Mediterranean World from the Late Fourth through the Third Millennium BCE March 2023
Maura Sala

https://egyptianexpedition.org/articles/reconsidering-egyptian-south-levantine-interaction/

____________________________________

Egypt and the Mediterranean World from the Late Fourth through the Third Millennium BCE
Vol. 37: Egypt and the Mediterranean World from the Late Fourth through the Third Millennium BCE March 2023
Matthew J. Adams and Karin Sowada

https://egyptianexpedition.org/articles/egypt-and-the-mediterranean-world-from-the-late-fourth-through-the-third-millennium-bce/

_______________________________

Similarities among North Mesopotamian (Late Halaf), Egyptian (Naqada), and Nubian (A-Group) Female Figurines of the 6–4th Millennia BCE
Vol. 27 September 2020
Lloyd D. Graham

https://egyptianexpedition.org/articles/similarities-among-north-mesopotamian-ate-halaf-egyptian-naqada-and-nubian-a-group-female-figurines-of-the-6-4th-millennia-bce/

________________________________________

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/culture

culture

1
a
: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group
also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time
popular culture
Southern culture
b
: the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization
a corporate culture focused on the bottom line
c
: the set of values, conventions, or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or societal characteristic
studying the effect of computers on print culture
Changing the culture of materialism will take time …
—Peggy O'Mara
d
: the integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Seems there's no cultural connection to the levant and near east.
Did you watch this ?? >>

quote:
Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFzyS_oBTeM

ANCIENT AFRICANS IN THE NEAR EAST/LEVANT
How does that show culture, what did you find out from watching that video that shows culture that levant shares with Ancient Egypt

You can List the similarity of culture shared with Ancient Egypt
The video is mainly showing Egyptian influence on
Persian and Mesopotamian art and architecture
That is a more fundamental cultural influence than
borrowing clothing and jewelry elements

although Persia and ancient Iran are not in the Levant but you included Near East in your thread title that they are a part of

As for Egyptian/Levantine connections

https://egyptianexpedition.org/articles/contacts-between-egypt-and-the-southern-levant-in-the-late-early/

Contacts between Egypt and the Southern Levant in the Late Early Bronze Age: An Open Question

The second half of the third millennium BCE is traditionally interpreted as a period of intense interactions between the southern Levant and Egypt. In past scholarship, interpretative frameworks for these activities have centered either on conflicts or commercial relations linked to the trade of southern Levantine copper with Egypt, both considered limited to the time of the Old Kingdom with virtually no evidence of contacts afterward until the early Middle Kingdom. However, nothing is virtually known about southern Levantine– Egyptian connections during this time span. This article reconsiders, from the southern Levant perspective, the impact of the lack of chronological resolution in the sub-phasing of the southern Levantine Early Bronze IV on this question and discusses how recent archaeological research may enhance our understanding of this phase in an interregional context.

__________________________________

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

__________________________________

Reconsidering Egyptian-South Levantine Interaction: Evidence from Early Bronze Age II Contexts at Tell es-Sultan and Tell el-Far‘ah North
Vol. 37: Egypt and the Mediterranean World from the Late Fourth through the Third Millennium BCE March 2023
Maura Sala

https://egyptianexpedition.org/articles/reconsidering-egyptian-south-levantine-interaction/

____________________________________

Egypt and the Mediterranean World from the Late Fourth through the Third Millennium BCE
Vol. 37: Egypt and the Mediterranean World from the Late Fourth through the Third Millennium BCE March 2023
Matthew J. Adams and Karin Sowada

https://egyptianexpedition.org/articles/egypt-and-the-mediterranean-world-from-the-late-fourth-through-the-third-millennium-bce/

_______________________________

Similarities among North Mesopotamian (Late Halaf), Egyptian (Naqada), and Nubian (A-Group) Female Figurines of the 6–4th Millennia BCE
Vol. 27 September 2020
Lloyd D. Graham

https://egyptianexpedition.org/articles/similarities-among-north-mesopotamian-ate-halaf-egyptian-naqada-and-nubian-a-group-female-figurines-of-the-6-4th-millennia-bce/

________________________________________

How is that shared culture??

Lioness You posted lies about the video and the shared culture between Ancient Egypt and levant and the near east

you were asked to list the shared culture between Ancient Egypt and the levant and near east.

Can you please list lioness the shared culture of Ancient Egypt and the levant and near east

Lioness What culture of Ancient Egypt does the Levant and Near East still practice from Ancient Egypt times???

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

What culture of Ancient Egypt does the Levant and Near East still practice from Ancient Egypt times???

I have listed the same culture between Ancient Egypt and Black Africa, now You Lioness can list all the shared practices of culture still being used inside the levant and near east from Ancient Egypt.

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

At the top left is Lady Tuty of the 18th dynasty
she is wearing a Perfume cone.
It took scholars nearly a decade to secure funding and complete a substantial examination of these perfume head cones, giving them a chance to test another popular theory about the unusual objects: the head cones were actually solid lumps of perfumed fat that melted over the heads of their wearers and acted as a sort of ancient, fragranced hair gel.

The findings from Amarna seem to negate the ancient styling product theory. The cones weren’t solid-they were hollow shells folded around brown-black organic matter the team thinks may be fabric. Both head cones had chemical signatures of decayed wax; the team concluded they were made of beeswax, the only biological wax known to be used by ancient Egyptians.
Without more archaeological evidence, though, there’s no way to know how the cones were really used-or if they were used more widely

The sculpture of Lady Tuty is made of wood including the head cone which is gilded with gold
_____________________

Rendille women, clay coiffure called a "doko"

____________________________

There is no evidence that the Rendille doka is related to the Egyptian perfume head cone.
Also the shape of the Rendille doka is typically flattened at the sides

You have to do more detailed research on these things. It takes more an just a similarity to prove there is an intentional relation between these objects

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

At the top left is Lady Tuty of the 18th dynasty
she is wearing a Perfume cone.
It took scholars nearly a decade to secure funding and complete a substantial examination of these perfume head cones, giving them a chance to test another popular theory about the unusual objects: the head cones were actually solid lumps of perfumed fat that melted over the heads of their wearers and acted as a sort of ancient, fragranced hair gel.

The findings from Amarna seem to negate the ancient styling product theory. The cones weren’t solid-they were hollow shells folded around brown-black organic matter the team thinks may be fabric. Both head cones had chemical signatures of decayed wax; the team concluded they were made of beeswax, the only biological wax known to be used by ancient Egyptians.
Without more archaeological evidence, though, there’s no way to know how the cones were really used-or if they were used more widely

_____________________

Rendille women, clay coiffure called a "doko"

____________________________

There is no evidence that the Rendille doka is related to the Egyptian perfume head cone

You have to do more detailed research on these things. It takes more an just a similarity to prove there is an intentional relation between these objects

Not only are you being disengenious you should know that what the egyptologist stated does not make sense and is used as seperation when there is no seperation.

not only are the clay hats similar to the rendille, it is on there head and that is what the egyptians have inside the wall paintings.

you do not make sense lioness, not only are they shaped similar to the rendilles it is shared with the pictures on the wall paintings of egyptians it looks the same and is the same.

not only do you not understand that the perfume cone is the same as the rendille cones the picture says fragrance so the Black Africans and the Ancient Egyptians they used the same perfume cone.

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

to the untrained eye perhaps

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

you should know that what the egyptologist stated does not make sense

which Egyptologist or statement that you can quote are you referring to?

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

you should know that what the egyptologist stated does not make sense
which Egyptologist or statement that you can quote are you referring to?

What you posted below

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness
At the top left is Lady Tuty of the 18th dynasty
she is wearing a Perfume cone.
It took scholars nearly a decade to secure funding and complete a substantial examination of these perfume head cones , giving them a chance to test another popular theory about the unusual objects: the head cones were actually solid lumps of perfumed fat that melted over the heads of their wearers and acted as a sort of ancient, fragranced hair gel.

The findings from Amarna seem to negate the ancient styling product theory. The cones weren’t solid-they were hollow shells folded around brown-black organic matter the team thinks may be fabric. Both head cones had chemical signatures of decayed wax; the team concluded they were made of beeswax, the only biological wax known to be used by ancient Egyptians.
Without more archaeological evidence, though, there’s no way to know how the cones were really used-or if they were used more widely

The sculpture of Lady Tuty is made of wood including the head cone which is gilded with gold

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
to the untrained eye perhaps

Getting back to the topic of culture

What culture of Ancient Egypt does the Levant and Near East still practice from Ancient Egypt times???

I have listed the same culture between Ancient Egypt and Black Africa, now You Lioness can list all the shared practices of culture still being used inside the levant and near east from Ancient Egypt.

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

you should know that what the egyptologist stated does not make sense
which Egyptologist or statement that you can quote are you referring to?

Lioness you may of lied, You said the Ancient Egyptians did not wear clay hats, yet the perfume cones is exactly that they wore them on there head like the rendille cones

not only is there Ancient Egyptians with red ocre cones on their head so is the rendille red ocre cones showing Ancient Egypt and Black Africa same culture

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
to the untrained eye perhaps
Getting back to the topic of culture

What culture of Ancient Egypt does the Levant and Near East still practice from Ancient Egypt times???

I have listed the same culture between Ancient Egypt and Black Africa, now You Lioness can list all the shared practices of culture still being used inside the levant and near east from Ancient Egypt.

you are moving the goal posts now

Yutunde posted this
showing Egyptian influence on Persian and Mesopotamian art and architecture (and I will also add the Egyptian architecture was heavily influential on Greek Post-and-lintel column architecture as well as American buildings, especially government ones and including use of the obelisk)

quote:
Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFzyS_oBTeM

ANCIENT AFRICANS IN THE NEAR EAST/LEVANT

BUT NOW you require "still practiced" culture.
Why is "still practiced" relevant ??

AND
tell us of an example of Ancient Egyptian culture
still being practiced today anywhere not just some clothing or jewelry you think looks similar.
"Culture" is more than that , it includes religion, art, rituals, music, language

Look at China or Japan today, they wear Western clothes, suit and tie and so on.
The clothing is only a superficial borrowing

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
to the untrained eye perhaps
Getting back to the topic of culture

What culture of Ancient Egypt does the Levant and Near East still practice from Ancient Egypt times???

I have listed the same culture between Ancient Egypt and Black Africa, now You Lioness can list all the shared practices of culture still being used inside the levant and near east from Ancient Egypt.
you are moving the goal posts now

Yutunde posted this
showing Egyptian influence on Persian and Mesopotamian art and architecture (and I will also add the Egyptian architecture was heavily influential on Greek Post-and-lintel column architecture as well as American buildings, especially government ones and including use of the obelisk)

quote:
Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFzyS_oBTeM

ANCIENT AFRICANS IN THE NEAR EAST/LEVANT
BUT NOW you require "still practiced" culture.
Why is "still practiced" relevant ??

AND
tell us of an example of Ancient Egyptian culture
still being practiced today anywhere not just some clothing or jewelry you think looks similar.
"Culture" is more than that , it includes religion, art, rituals, music

Look at China or Japan today, they wear Western clothes, suit and tie and so on.
The clothing is only a superficial borrowing

lioness there is no moving of goal post the shared culture with the Ancient Egyptians has not being shown.

Where is the shared culture of Ancient Egypt and the levant and near east.

what does influence has to do with culture?????????????????

Posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey (Member # 22253) on :

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey:

Well done Yatunde, It shows these fragrance hats were very much a part of Ancient Egypt Culture

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

The burial of an adult woman in Amarna, Egypt contained a cone-shaped wax object placed on her head.
PHOTOGRAPH BY THE AMARNA PROJECT, ANTIQUITY PUBLICATIONS LTD.

https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/history-and-civilisation/2019/12/ancient-egyptian-head-cone-mystery-solved-by-archaeologists

Ancient Egyptian 'head cone mystery' solved by archaeologists
Researchers have long speculated about the purpose and meaning of pointy “head cones” depicted in Egyptian art. Now they’ve actually found the real thing.
BY ERIN BLAKEMORE
PUBLISHED 15 DEC 2019,

The cones weren’t solid—they were hollow shells folded around brown-black organic matter the team thinks may be fabric. Both head cones had chemical signatures of decayed wax; the team concluded they were made of beeswax, the only biological wax known to be used by ancient Egyptians. Furthermore, no traces of wax were found in the hair of the most well-preserved skeleton.

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

Not only is Lioness being a possible LIAR

She has not shown a List of Cultures shared between Ancient Egypt and The levant and near east.

I upped the the cash and said Where is Ancient Egyptians Culture practiced today Inside the Levant and Near East.

Yet we Know from the pictures that Ancient Egyptian Culture is Practiced today with Black Africans

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey:

Well done Yatunde, It shows these fragrance hats were very much a part of Ancient Egypt Culture

the problem is is this is not a "fragrance hat"

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey:

Well done Yatunde, It shows these fragrance hats were very much a part of Ancient Egypt Culture

the problem is is this is not a "fragrance hat"

Lioness what dont you understand???

That When you look at the picture it says that Fragrance is part of the red ocre clay hats

no matter what is said YOU POSSIBLY LIED LIONESS WHEN YOU SAID THE EGYPTIANS DID NOT WEAR CLAY HATS

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Where is the shared culture of Ancient Egypt and the levant and near east.

what does influence has to do with culture?????????????????

The word "culture" has deeper implications than just jewelry similarities.
I think you should have titled this thread >>

Similarities Between the Jewelry and Headdress' of Ancient Egypt to other places in Africa

The Mesopotamians used actual symbols found in Egypt art such as the winged sun disk

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Where is the shared culture of Ancient Egypt and the levant and near east.

what does influence has to do with culture?????????????????
The word "culture" has deeper implications than just jewelry similarities.
I think you should have titled this thread >>

Similarities Between the Jewelry and Headdress' of Ancient Egypt to other places in Africa

The Mesopotamians used actual symbols found in Egypt art such as the winged sun disk

Its not just jewelry similarites.

theres

Culture shared between Black Africa and Ancient Egypt

1.Hairstyles
2.V Scarfs
3.Clay Hats
4.Dances
5.Beadwork
6. Animal Skins worn from chiefs
7. Painting of People with reddish brown skin tones
among other things

List what the Mesopotamian share with Ancient Egyptian Culture what you stated is a Lie people used winged sun disk from Egypt to china possibly does not mean it came from egypt.

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

List what the Mesopotamian share with Ancient Egyptian Culture what you stated is a Lie people used winged sun disk from Egypt to china possibly does not mean it came from egypt.

quote:
Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFzyS_oBTeM

ANCIENT AFRICANS IN THE NEAR EAST/LEVANT

times:

1) 13:02 - 15:04

2) 15:53

3)16:14 - 16:45

4) 16:56

5) 17:25

6) 19:13

7) 22:32

8) 23:00

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

List what the Mesopotamian share with Ancient Egyptian Culture what you stated is a Lie people used winged sun disk from Egypt to china possibly does not mean it came from egypt.

quote:
Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFzyS_oBTeM

ANCIENT AFRICANS IN THE NEAR EAST/LEVANT
times:

1) 13:02 - 15:04

2) 15:53

3)16:14 - 16:45

4) 16:56

5) 17:25

6) 19:13

7) 22:32

8) 23:00

Im not stating to list a time frame of a video.

If you can list that time frame you can list the culture.
Now List what the mesopatamians the levant and the near east culture that is Shared with the Ancient Egyptians.

if you can list the time frames you can list the cultures

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

you seem scared to look at the video, do I have to go repeating every name and place of each piece of art or architecture and art that is mentioned already in the video?

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
you seem scared to look at the video, do I have to go repeating every name and place of each piece of art or architecture and art that is mentioned already in the video?

You Lioness gave no list.

Art and Architecture is debateable. I dont see how a Door way is similar just does not make sense EVERYONE MAKES A DOOR WAY THE SAME.

what of the Architecture is similar to Ancient Egypt from the near east Mesopotamian and the Levant

and what Art is similiar to Ancient Egypt from Mesopotamian the levant and the near east

List the shared culture between Ancient Egypt and the Mesopotamians the levant and the Near East

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Where is the shared culture of Ancient Egypt and the levant and near east.

what does influence has to do with culture?????????????????
The word "culture" has deeper implications than just jewelry similarities.
I think you should have titled this thread >>

Similarities Between the Jewelry and Headdress' of Ancient Egypt to other places in Africa

The Mesopotamians used actual symbols found in Egypt art such as the winged sun disk
Its not just jewelry similarites.

theres

Culture shared between Black Africa and Ancient Egypt

1.Hairstyles
2.V Scarfs
3.Clay Hats
4.Dances
5.Beadwork
6. Animal Skins worn from chiefs
7. Painting of People with reddish brown skin tones
among other things

List what the Mesopotamian share with Ancient Egyptian Culture what you stated is a Lie people used winged sun disk from Egypt to china possibly does not mean it came from egypt.

O.k. fine

Similarities Between the Jewelry, Headdress' and clothing of Ancient Egypt to other places in Africa

Culture has deeper implications>

language, writing, religion, art, architecture, technology

look into it

I doubt those Rendille women are claiming their clay headpiece is Egyptian, this ish is an AA trip

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Where is the shared culture of Ancient Egypt and the levant and near east.

what does influence has to do with culture?????????????????
The word "culture" has deeper implications than just jewelry similarities.
I think you should have titled this thread >>

Similarities Between the Jewelry and Headdress' of Ancient Egypt to other places in Africa

The Mesopotamians used actual symbols found in Egypt art such as the winged sun disk
Its not just jewelry similarites.

theres

Culture shared between Black Africa and Ancient Egypt

1.Hairstyles
2.V Scarfs
3.Clay Hats
4.Dances
5.Beadwork
6. Animal Skins worn from chiefs
7. Painting of People with reddish brown skin tones
among other things

List what the Mesopotamian share with Ancient Egyptian Culture what you stated is a Lie people used winged sun disk from Egypt to china possibly does not mean it came from egypt.
O.k. fine

Similarities Between the Jewelry, Headdress' and clothing of Ancient Egypt to other places in Africa

Culture has deeper implications>

language, writing, religion, art, architecture, technology

look into it

I doubt those Rendille women are claiming their clay headpiece is Egyptian, this ish is an AA trip

Lioness Ancient Egyptians wear red ocre clay hats like the Rendille.

list the culture that is shared between Ancient Egypt and mesopotamian near east and the levant

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Lioness Ancient Egyptians wear red ocre clay hats like the Rendille.

stop lying

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Lioness Ancient Egyptians wear red ocre clay hats like the Rendille.

stop lying

What are you talking about?? look at the picture it shows Ancient Egyptians with red ocre clay hats on their head along with the rendille:

List the shared culture between mesopotamians the levant and the near east and Ancient Egypt

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

Take it up with Yatunde, she's the one that posted that video. I'm tired

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Lioness Ancient Egyptians wear red ocre clay hats like the Rendille.

Again you may have found one rare picture of one of those perfume cones, that red colored on the outside

but you have zero evidence that is a solid piece
of red clay as the Rendille have.

Also if someone was not able to show any cultural similarities between Egypt and the Levant/Near East that does not then prove any claim as to continuity between any African culture you choose and AE

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Take it up with Yatunde, she's the one that posted that video. I'm tired

if you can post a video and list the time frames. you can post a list of what is said inside the video that is Shared culture between Ancient Egypt and the levant and Mesopotamian and the near east.

you can list what is shared culture between Ancient Egypt and the levant, Mesopotamian and the near east. use the video to support yourself

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Take it up with Yatunde, she's the one that posted that video. I'm tired

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Lioness Ancient Egyptians wear red ocre clay hats like the Rendille.

Again you may have found one rare picture of one of those perfume cones, that red colored on the outside

but you have zero evidence that is a solid piece
of red clay as the Rendille have.

Lioness, you said Ancient Egyptians did not wear red clay hats. Yet we see the perfumed cones on the Ancient Egyptians head with red ocre that is shared with the Rendille red ocre hats

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
Take it up with Yatunde, she's the one that posted that video. I'm tired

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Lioness Ancient Egyptians wear red ocre clay hats like the Rendille.

Again you may have found one rare picture of one of those perfume cones, that red colored on the outside

but you have zero evidence that is a solid piece
of red clay as the Rendille have.

Also if someone was not able to show any cultural similarities between Egypt and the Levant/Near East that does not then prove any claim as to continuity between any African culture you choose and AE

whats proven as culture shared between Black African and Ancient Egypt has already shown:

1.Hairstyles
2.V Scarfs
3.Clay Hats
4.Dances
5.Beadwork
6. Animal Skins worn from chiefs
7. Painting of People with reddish brown skin tones
among other things

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
[qb]
The burial of an adult woman in Amarna, Egypt contained a cone-shaped wax object placed on her head.
PHOTOGRAPH BY THE AMARNA PROJECT, ANTIQUITY PUBLICATIONS LTD.

https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/history-and-civilisation/2019/12/ancient-egyptian-head-cone-mystery-solved-by-archaeologists
.

.

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
you said Ancient Egyptians did not wear red clay hats. Yet we see the perfumed cones on the Ancient Egyptians head with red ocre that is shared with the Rendille red ocre hats

the fact that you put some red ochre paint on a fragrance cone that is hollow and made of wax does not mean it is made of clay so stop the nonsense

and it's also funny how someone wrote "white clay' on that, when the statuette is made of wood including the cone

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

The burial of an adult woman in Amarna, Egypt contained a cone-shaped wax object placed on her head.
PHOTOGRAPH BY THE AMARNA PROJECT, ANTIQUITY PUBLICATIONS LTD.

https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/history-and-civilisation/2019/12/ancient-egyptian-head-cone-mystery-solved-by-archaeologists
.

.

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
you said Ancient Egyptians did not wear red clay hats. Yet we see the perfumed cones on the Ancient Egyptians head with red ocre that is shared with the Rendille red ocre hats
Originally posted by the lioness,:
the fact that you put some red ochre paint on a fragrance cone that is hollow and made of wax does not mean it is made of clay so stop the nonsense

and it's also funny how someone wrote "white clay' on that, when the statuette is made of wood including the cone [/qb]

You is Lying some more Lioness, not only do you accuse me of putting red ocre on the egyptians painting, how would I of painted the egyptians with red ocre??????? instead of it being an picture that is already there.

The Black African with the red ocre hats is compared to the Ancient Egyptians with red ocre hats inside the picture

Not only are you a liar, your making a big hill that egyptians had perfume cones on there head when you said they did not have clay hats thats a possible lie

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

Wax is a part of Clay Lioness,

Your sounding like an Racist claiming Clay done from the Black Africans is less then Ancient Egyptians Wax Cones on their head because the Ancient Egyptians used wax as if the Black Africans could not use Wax.

Also you ignore that the Egyptologist are trying to separate Egypt from Africa. Why would I believe them.

Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :

@King. You mention "Culture" being linked to "Black Africa".

IF there is a geographic "Black Africa" then give me a map of geographic "White Africa". Once you supply one, we will continue. Lets play this out and see how it goes.

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
@King. You mention "Culture" being linked to "Black Africa".

IF there is a geographic "Black Africa" then give me a map of geographic "White Africa". Once you supply one, we will continue. Lets play this out and see how it goes.

theres no such thing as white Africa, what you are proposing is because there is a Black Africa there should automatically be a White africa.

when I post Black Africa inside comparison to North Africa.

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Wax is a part of Clay Lioness,

Your sounding like an Racist claiming Clay done from the Black Africans is less then Ancient Egyptians Wax Cones on their head because the Ancient Egyptians used wax as if the Black Africans could not use Wax.

Also you ignore that the Egyptologist are trying to separate Egypt from Africa. Why would I believe them.

I don't know much about wax, what is it made of?
and here was it first used?

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

KING, what are these head cones made out of?
Also are they solid or hollow?

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
Wax is a part of Clay Lioness,

Your sounding like an Racist claiming Clay done from the Black Africans is less then Ancient Egyptians Wax Cones on their head because the Ancient Egyptians used wax as if the Black Africans could not use Wax.

Also you ignore that the Egyptologist are trying to separate Egypt from Africa. Why would I believe them.
I don't know much about wax, what is it made of?
and here was it first used?

If you lioness did not know about Wax then you should not of claimed that Ancient Egyptians were somehow superior to other Africans for using Wax when other Africans used clay. You sounded like a racist.

Wax is made from animal parts and plants and petroleum.

Clay is made of a fine-grained (small particle size) sedimentary rock

Wax vs Clay means they are similar products and its someone's preference to what they like to use

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Wax is made from animal parts and plants and petroleum.

I'm looking at you photos above, you are showing a yellowish colored material in the top picture.
Then at the bottom a brown one looking like a sandwich made of chocolate and it says "wax" under it. Is that North African wax and Black African wax?

Dark Brown Classic Clay – 50lb Case

https://afasupplies.com/product/j-mac-2-ab210-medium-dark-brown-classic-clay-50-lb-case/

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Wax is made from animal parts and plants and petroleum.

I'm looking at you photos above, you are showing a yellowish colored material in the top picture.
Then at the bottom a brown one looking like a sandwich made of chocolate and it says "wax" under it. Is that North African and Black African waxes?

Lioness Wax is made of animals and plants, theres not a North African to Black Africa difference, Animals are found inside all Parts of Africa so the potential to make wax is there clay is just easier to make.

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Wax is made from animal parts and plants and petroleum.

I'm looking at you photos above, you are showing a yellowish colored material in the top picture.
Then at the bottom a brown one looking like a sandwich made of chocolate and it says "wax" under it. Is that North African and Black African waxes?
Lioness Wax is made of animals and plants, theres not a North African to Black Africa difference, Animals are found inside all Parts of Africa so the potential to make wax is there clay is just easier to make.

Are you retracting the petroleum part?

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Wax is made from animal parts and plants and petroleum.

I'm looking at you photos above, you are showing a yellowish colored material in the top picture.
Then at the bottom a brown one looking like a sandwich made of chocolate and it says "wax" under it. Is that North African and Black African waxes?
Lioness Wax is made of animals and plants, theres not a North African to Black Africa difference, Animals are found inside all Parts of Africa so the potential to make wax is there clay is just easier to make.
Are you retracting the petroleum part?

Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :

@King so you are contrasting "Black Africa" with "North Africa" thus "North Africa" is NOT Black Africa?

Please provide me the border of "Black Africa". You have to give me something. And if you CANT give me something then why even use these terms? [Roll Eyes]

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

KING, did you make that graphic where it says "wax vs clay" ?
What program is that?

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
@King so you are contrasting "Black Africa" with "North Africa" thus "North Africa" is NOT Black Africa?

Please provide me the border of "Black Africa". You have to give me something. And if you CANT give me something then why even use these terms?

North Africa is from Libya, Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia thats the end of North Africa

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
@King so you are contrasting "Black Africa" with "North Africa" thus "North Africa" is NOT Black Africa?

Please provide me the border of "Black Africa". You have to give me something. And if you CANT give me something then why even use these terms?

maybe instead of it being white Africa it's more Puerto Rican, I'll wait on KING's explanation

Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :

The wax headcones found in the Egyptian tombs were made of bees wax

quote:
In both cases, the cones appear cream colored; spectroscopic analysis indicated that the cones were likely made of beeswax.

The First Evidence of 'Head Cones' Found in 3,300-Year-Old Egyptian Tomb

This woman, who was between age 20-29 at time of death, was found buried with a head cone made of beeswax. She lived more than 3,300 years ago and was buried in a cemetery at the site of Amarna in Egypt. (Image credit: Amarna Project)

Beeswax

Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
@King so you are contrasting "Black Africa" with "North Africa" thus "North Africa" is NOT Black Africa?

Please provide me the border of "Black Africa". You have to give me something. And if you CANT give me something then why even use these terms?
North Africa is from Libya, Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia thats the end of North Africa

Egypt is not "North Africa"...even when its geographically IN "North Africa"? [Roll Eyes]

This type of thinking is so stupid. But you know what I can still prove a point:

These specific Crops Where the first to arrive in Egypt and formed the basis of their Agriculture thousand of years before West Asian farming was known. So according to YOU, Egypt's earliest major technical innovations, the diffusion of Egyptians first agriculture, associated with some of Egypts first pottery, AND Egypts first animal husbandry didnt come from "Black Africa". [Wink]

This is how this works right?
Congratulations, you played yourself..

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
@King so you are contrasting "Black Africa" with "North Africa" thus "North Africa" is NOT Black Africa?

Please provide me the border of "Black Africa". You have to give me something. And if you CANT give me something then why even use these terms?
North Africa is from Libya, Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia thats the end of North Africa
Egypt is not "North Africa"...even when its geographically IN "North Africa"?
This type of thinking is so stupid. But you know what I can still prove a point:

These specific Crops Where the first to arrive in Egypt and formed the basis of their Agriculture thousand of years before West Asian farming was known. So according to YOU, Egypt's earliest major technical innovations, the diffusion of Egyptians first agriculture, associated with some of Egypts first pottery, AND Egypts first animal husbandry didnt come from "Black Africa".

This is how this works right?
Congratulations, you played yourself..

How did I play myself?? I looked at the article and all it said was what was there during the green sahara where did it state anything about Egypt

what you focus on is the written word and the written word is controlled by White People.

What I mean by Near East and Levant and the Middle east is Light Skinned people.

I did not mean Black skinned People during the forming of Ancient Egypt

egypt is NorthEast Africa

post where these things came from the levant and the near east. and not brought there from Black African type people. also you have no pictures that back you up so I would shut up about what is written by European racists who do not accept Herodotus and the word of romans who saw Ancient Egyptians directly

show when Egypts earliest major technical innovations came from the near east or levant

show when Egypts first Pottery came from the middle east the levant and near east

Not only are all the things you spoke on arbitrary the people would of been Black African Types that brought them into Africa if that was what happened.

I believe that Egypt and Black Africa did not get domestics of animal husbandry and agriculture from the middle east. I do not care what is written by white racists. What is found is not what the truth is

List the shared culture between Ancient Egypt and the rest of North Africa??? we know what is shared between Black Africa and Ancient Egypt, List whats the same between Ancient Egypt and North Africa

also Since Ancient Egypt was a Picture type civilization you can post where the North Africans are doing the same culture as Ancient Egypt and Black Africa

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

egypt is North East Africa

List the shared culture between Ancient Egypt and the rest of North Africa??? we know what is shared between Black Africa and Ancient Egypt, List whats the same between Ancient Egypt and North Africa

Sometimes people use the terns together "North Africa" and South of that "Sub-Saharan Africa" and that means below the Sahara

but instead you are instead switching to skin color definition and calling Sub-Saharan Africa "Black Africa"
That implies North Africa is not black in some way.
not saying white but in some way not black

Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :

Sometimes people use the terns together "North Africa" and South of that "Sub-Saharan Africa" and that means below the Sahara

I didn't original know this but Xyyman pointed out that northern Africa is on the back end of the continent if you think of north and south as an up and down position,so Sub Sahara Africa should be south heading north. North Africans should be "authentically" Sub Sahara Africans sense they live below the Sahara.

I thought know if anybody else does this but I like to think of North Africa as "yellowbone to redbone" Africans sense are still pigmented.

Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :

Lets analyze what happened here:

King - Makes a thread arguing Egyptian culture is linked to "Black Africa".

Beyoku - "You are contrasting "Black Africa" with "North Africa" thus "North Africa" is NOT Black Africa?"

King - "North Africa is from Libya, Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia thats the end of North Africa."

Beyoku - Provides data showing MAJOR Cultural influence and the initial technical innovation came from a region you consider NOT to be "Black Africa" (Libya)

This is how you PLAYED yourself: (1) You played ethnocentric games focused on skin tone and arbitrarily defined "Black Africa"..exactly what Keita warned about. (2) Archeology caught you lacking and destroyed your race game. (3)You then back pedal and switch the focus to the Levant and Near East. If it was ALWAYS about the Levant/Near East vs ALL of Africa Why make it an INITIAL pissing contest between the Levant and "Black Africa"? (4) The work avoidance tactic where you negatively associate the archeology with "WhItE pEoPle" as if that has any bearing on it's accuracy or usefulness as a teaching tool. What, we ain't reading books written by "White people" anymore? This (point 4) type of talk is infantile and has no business coming from someone who is serious in studying science. It's an excuse NOT TO READ. Is this something your would say In a conference in from of a ROOM of Academics? [Confused]

Moral of the Story : Why play the dumb, outdated, ethnocentric games when you can just talk about ALL The groups who contributed to the Nile Valley REGARLDESS of how phenotypically and genetically diverse they were? Treat this shit like SCHOOL. You not telling the professor you not reading a book or peer review because it was published by whites. IF you think like that....just watch sports. Its passive.

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

Using the term "Black Africa" is considered simplistic and obsolete

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
Lets analyze what happened here:

King - Makes a thread arguing Egyptian culture is linked to "Black Africa".

Beyoku - "You are contrasting "Black Africa" with "North Africa" thus "North Africa" is NOT Black Africa?"

King - "North Africa is from Libya, Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia thats the end of North Africa."

Beyoku - Provides data showing MAJOR Cultural influence and the initial technical innovation came from a region you consider NOT to be "Black Africa" (Libya)

This is how you PLAYED yourself: (1) You played ethnocentric games focused on skin tone and arbitrarily defined "Black Africa"..exactly what Keita warned about. (2) Archeology caught you lacking and destroyed your race game. (3)You then back pedal and switch the focus to the Levant and Near East. If it was ALWAYS about the Levant/Near East vs ALL of Africa Why make it an INITIAL pissing contest between the Levant and "Black Africa"? (4) The work avoidance tactic where you negatively associate the archeology with "WhItE pEoPle" as if that has any bearing on it's accuracy or usefulness as a teaching tool. What, we ain't reading books written by "White people" anymore? This (point 4) type of talk is infantile and has no business coming from someone who is serious in studying science. It's an excuse NOT TO READ. Is this something your would say In a conference in from of a ROOM of Academics?

Moral of the Story : Why play the dumb, outdated, ethnocentric games when you can just talk about ALL The groups who contributed to the Nile Valley REGARLDESS of how phenotypically and genetically diverse they were? Treat this shit like SCHOOL. You not telling the professor you not reading a book or peer review because it was published by whites. IF you think like that....just watch sports. Its passive.

Beyoku What is claimed by you is not correct the Near East and the Levant is meant by the light skinned individuals living there now. Not the Black Skinned that Was the majority inside the past.

White people control the written word therefor its biased and racist teachings is actually all you get

Herodotus and roman historians taught that the Ancient Egyptians were Black:

quote:

Written word by Herodotus:

For it is plain to see that the Colchians are Egyp
tians; and this that I say I myself noted before I heard it
from others. When I began to think on this matter, I in
quired of both peoples; and the Colchians remembered the
Egyptians better than the Egyptians remembered the
Colchians; the Egyptians said that they held the Colchians
to be part of Sesostris' army. I myself guessed it to be so,
partly because they are dark-skinned [melagchroes] and
woolly-haired [oulotriches]; though that indeed goes for though that indeed goes for
nothing, seeing that other peoples, too, are such

https://www.jstor.org/stable/24572916

How can you take people seriously who deny what Herodotus saw back when he watched the Ancient Egyptians? Not only was Herodotus around the Egyptians he had first hand knowledge of what the egyptians looked like and europeans call herodotus the father of lies just because he claims egyptians as black

Posted by beyoku (Member # 14524) on :

Nevermind. I see you still stuck in 2001. Fuck Herodotus.

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
Nevermind. I see you still stuck in 2001. Fuck Herodotus.

Why do you say bleep Herodotus, when he stated that the Egyptians were Black skinned and wooly haired? Let’s try not to make the Europeans proud now

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

So there is no levant or near east or Mesopotamian culture that is similar to Egypt and Black Africa Practiced today.

While we see cultures from east south and west Africa practicing egyptian culture today.

There was no pictures shown of people from the levant or Near East practicing the cultures of Egypt and Black Africa

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

more cultures similar inside egypt and Black Africa:

Use of Noble Staff between Ghana and Egypt

Ancient Egyptian Collars similar to the Black African Collars:

Hairstyles of Males also Similar

similar looks of the Egyptians and Black African

Hairstyles similar from the culture

Exact profiles between Black Africans and Egyptians

again the Egyptians look unabashedly African With Lady Khereduankh mother of imohotep based looking decidedly Black African

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Ancient Egyptian Collars similar to the Black African Collars:

In your opinion who had these collars first, tribal groups in Kenya or the Egyptians?

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

Ancient Egyptian Collars similar to the Black African Collars:

In your opinion who had these collars first, tribal groups in Kenya or the Egyptians?

It goes back to when Ancient Egypt was building there Civilization. People started off as tribal before they built big civilization.

So I would say Kenya had the collars first

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

Egypt, Cairo, Egyptian Museum, from the tomb of Ita-Uret, daughter of Amenemhat 2, Dashur : Large collar (Usekh collar)
https://www.alamy.com/egypt-cairo-egyptian-museum-from-the-tomb-of-ita-uret-daughter-of-amenemhat-2-dashur-large-collar-usekh-collar-with-beads-image401916568.html

Necklace and arm ornament
Pokot people, Kenya

http://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/bodyarts/index.php/body-arts-and-lifecycles/puberty/90-necklace-and-arm-ornament.html

Collar necklace, Pokot people, Kenya

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

we also have the Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs where they say Km't equals Black People

Means Black People. from Egyptian hieroglyphs

This was used by the Ancient Egyptians to say they are Black People

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

was the rest of Africa black at that time?

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
was the rest of Africa black at that time?

Possibly, they may of meant this as a way of showing who Ancient Egyptians stand with Black Africans, and looking at the levant and near east as enemies.

Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :

^ Nice picture examples, King. There were a couple of African posters who posted similar pictures.

Plus I covered this topic before: Ancient Egypt, A Black African Civilization?

quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
culture:
Divine Kingship: The pharaoh was seen as both king and god and is believed to have divine powers. This belief is widespread in Africa. Whereas many peoples in Sudan and East Africa have a "rain-maker" king, the Egyptian king is believed to make the Nile flood.
the significant role of women: women in Egyptian society were not suppressed like those of the Near-East and had active roles in public life. They had freedom and independence and could run their own businesses and own their own properties. Again this is prevalent in African societies.
Circumcision Rites: The Egyptians practiced circumcision as a rite of passage for boys into adulthood, as do many African peoples.
sacred colors & numbers: The Egyptians, like many Africans held sacred beliefs for certain numbers like 1 for the beginning of all, 2 for duality, and the color black for life and regeneration and the color red for chaos and destruction. Many Africans also share these beliefs. Many groups in East Africa worship a supremed deity that is concieved of as black whereas destructive deities are red.
Totemism & their taboos: The Egyptians held certain animals and plants to be sacred because they are living symbols of their gods. Another belief prevalent in black Africa.
Ancestor veneration: The Egyptians believed in honoring their departed and deceased. They would hold feasts and make images of their dead etc. These beliefs are also common to Africa
Zar possession rituals: Even today in rural parts of Egypt, they continue to practice the possession ritual of Zar that is practiced by Africans from East to West. It is even a special ritual among West African voodoo! And speaking of voodoo...
The Practice of Magic (Voodoo): The Egyptians believed in the power of magic and used them in many rituals. There were execration rituals in which images of enemies were made and destroyed. Or images of enemies made on the Pharaohs sandals so he may symbolically step on them. The key to Egyptian (and essentially all African) beliefs in magic is the symbolism. The power of magic is to make the symbolic real. Like voodoo dolls etc.
I could go on and on, but there are so many African aspects to Egyptian culture that unfortunately I cannot think of anymore.

Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ELIMU:

They say a picture speaks a thousand words. Well listen carefully..

Ancient Egyptian collars,hats,necklaces and corsets.

Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :

Leopard skin as an attire of priesthoods all over Africa.

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

wow, great post Djehuti,

This shows that all these cultural things is practiced with Egyptians and Black Africans up to today and not practiced with near east or the levant or even other
light skin North Africans

EDIT: Why is light skin North Africans not practicing the culture of Ancient Egypt today, like the Black Africans?

Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :

Concerning Egypt, North Africa and the Levant there have been rather big cultural shifts. For example so have Christianity and later Islam played a significant role. Also foreign invaders have come and gone and changed the cultural landscape. Some African cultures were located in such a way that these changes did not reached them until later and not in such high degree. We can see similar phenomena in other parts of the world too where some people have went through radical changes while others have been more isolated, or been able to better protect themselves against changes.

Then one can also wonder if one can always show a continuity in material culture or customs or beliefs from ancient Egypt up until today? And why have just certain traits been preserved and not others? Have all the peoples for example always dressed the same since pharaonic times, or have only some people had certain material culture and later secondarily spread it?

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

What I am getting at is that, The cultures of Ancient Egypt is still practiced by the Black Africans. its something that recognizes that these cultures are African.

We have never seen the near east or the levant practice these cultures of Ancient Egypt even before islam etc came into affect.

there is no artifacts found inside the levant or near east that speaks to these Ancient Egyptians cultures being practiced inside the past of the near east or the levant

Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :

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Originally posted by KING:
What I am getting at is that, The cultures of Ancient Egypt is still practiced by the Black Africans. its something that recognizes that these cultures are African.

We have never seen the near east or the levant practice these cultures of Ancient Egypt even before islam etc came into affect.

there is no artifacts found inside the levant or near east that speaks to these Ancient Egyptians cultures being practiced inside the past of the near east or the levant

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Originally posted by KING:

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Originally posted by the lioness,:
In your opinion who had these collars first, tribal groups in Kenya or the Egyptians?
It goes back to when Ancient Egypt was building there Civilization. People started off as tribal before they built big civilization.

So I would say Kenya had the collars first

If tribes in Kenya had this collar first, that means that Kenyans today who still wear this collar are not
practicing Egyptian culture,
The Kenyans had it first and the Egyptians later made a similar necklace

Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

quote:
Originally posted by KING:
What I am getting at is that, The cultures of Ancient Egypt is still practiced by the Black Africans. its something that recognizes that these cultures are African.

We have never seen the near east or the levant practice these cultures of Ancient Egypt even before islam etc came into affect.

there is no artifacts found inside the levant or near east that speaks to these Ancient Egyptians cultures being practiced inside the past of the near east or the levant

quote:
Originally posted by KING:

quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
In your opinion who had these collars first, tribal groups in Kenya or the Egyptians?
It goes back to when Ancient Egypt was building there Civilization. People started off as tribal before they built big civilization.

So I would say Kenya had the collars first
If tribes in Kenya had this collar first, that means that Kenyans today who still wear this collar are not
practicing Egyptian culture,
The Kenyans had it first and the Egyptians later made a similar necklace

Im not tryingto say that its Egyptian Culture, Im trying to say that its Black African Culture shared betweeen the Kenyans and Egyptians to show that Egypt is related to Black Africans.