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This channel has been up since 2009. I have been listening to this channel for 5 years now.
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"PERRY: So I talked to a researcher from University of Michigan. Her and her team have been tracking all incidents of anti-Asian racism and violence that were reported in the news during all of 2020. I just want to back up and say that these numbers are spotty because a lot of these incidents don't get reported. So what the team did find out is that white people accounted for 90% of anti-Asian incidents in 2020, but only 5% of perpetrators were Black."
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Of course Biden is gonna sidestep reparations. Its a losing hand for Dems. His approach is Social Programs "Enhance"- that is - put a little more money into basically what we are already doing, and shifting some dollars around for "social justice." Hire some more social workers, fund some more police training, etc etc, tweaking the budget line items, but with no real fundamental systemic changes. With Kammy Harris as cover, and on board, the black establishment, having nowhere else to go, will fall in line.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: This was very deep. And more is going on.
"PERRY: So I talked to a researcher from University of Michigan. Her and her team have been tracking all incidents of anti-Asian racism and violence that were reported in the news during all of 2020. I just want to back up and say that these numbers are spotty because a lot of these incidents don't get reported. So what the team did find out is that white people accounted for 90% of anti-Asian incidents in 2020, but only 5% of perpetrators were Black."
Interesting that 90% of anti-Asian incidents are by white people. Pretty much tracks historically- if Some white people perceive of non- whites s doing too well there is a violent reaction. Happened with the Chinese and Japanese in Calif in the 1800s, in Japanese Ww2 internment in part, and reflected today, as Asians are out-performing white people and grabbing many prestige spots and slots from whites. Why do you think white people are still holding on to AA? It allows "percentages" to be fixed in some areas. The black percentage in higher ed high end university slots has barely budged for 30 years- its still 4-9% roughly despite all the hysteria about "affirmative action." The game is to limit Asians, a "ceiling cap" on them, and this is done via AA, as well as "legacy" alumni admissions.
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Interesting that 90% of anti-Asian incidents are by white people. Pretty much tracks historically- if Some white people perceive of non- whites s doing too well there is a violent reaction. Happened with the Chinese and Japanese in Calif in the 1800s, in Japanese Ww2 internment in part, and reflected today, as Asians are out-performing white people and grabbing many prestige spots and slots from whites. Why do you think white people are still holding on to AA? It allows "percentages" to be fixed in some areas. The black percentage in higher ed high end university slots has barely budged for 30 years- its still 4-9% roughly despite all the hysteria about "affirmative action." The game is to limit Asians, a "ceiling cap" on them, and this is done via AA, as well as "legacy" alumni admissions.
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Of course Biden is gonna sidestep reparations. Its a losing hand for Dems. His approach is Social Programs "Enhance"- that is - put a little more money into basically what we are already doing, and shifting some dollars around for "social justice." Hire some more social workers, fund some more police training, etc etc, tweaking the budget line items, but with no real fundamental systemic changes. With Kammy Harris as cover, and on board, the black establishment, having nowhere else to go, will fall in line.
Whites account for …: 94% of all hate crimes 99% of anti-Black hate crimes 75% of anti-Asian hate crimes
quote: Using 1992–2014 data from the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS), the present study examines the nature and characteristics of hate crimes against Asian Americans by comparing them with those of hate crimes against African Americans and Hispanics. Minority-general and minority-specific models are proposed to guide the analysis. The findings are mixed. The analyses of all victim-related and most offender-related variables show similarities of hate crimes against Asian Americans to those against African Americans and Hispanics. These findings provide support for the minority-general model. Offenders’ race and all incident-related variables of hate crimes against Asian Americans, however, differ significantly from those of hate crimes against African Americans and Hispanics. These significant differences provide support for the minority-specific model.
(Yan Zhang, 2021 Jan 7;1-21., Hate Crimes against Asian Americans)
quote:Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: Of course Biden is gonna sidestep reparations. Its a losing hand for Dems. His approach is Social Programs "Enhance"- that is - put a little more money into basically what we are already doing, and shifting some dollars around for "social justice." Hire some more social workers, fund some more police training, etc etc, tweaking the budget line items, but with no real fundamental systemic changes. With Kammy Harris as cover, and on board, the black establishment, having nowhere else to go, will fall in line.
Whites account for …: 94% of all hate crimes 99% of anti-Black hate crimes 75% of anti-Asian hate crimes
quote: Using 1992–2014 data from the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS), the present study examines the nature and characteristics of hate crimes against Asian Americans by comparing them with those of hate crimes against African Americans and Hispanics. Minority-general and minority-specific models are proposed to guide the analysis. The findings are mixed. The analyses of all victim-related and most offender-related variables show similarities of hate crimes against Asian Americans to those against African Americans and Hispanics. These findings provide support for the minority-general model. Offenders’ race and all incident-related variables of hate crimes against Asian Americans, however, differ significantly from those of hate crimes against African Americans and Hispanics. These significant differences provide support for the minority-specific model.
(Yan Zhang, 2021 Jan 7;1-21., Hate Crimes against Asian Americans)
quote: Findings of this study, however, also provide support to the minority-specific model, which assumes that hate crimes against different racial minority groups are likely to show significant differences. First, the race of offenders differs significantly across hate crimes against Asian Americans, African Americans, and Hispanics. Specifically, hate crimes against Asian Americans are more likely than hate crimes against either African Americans or Hispanics to be committed by non-White offenders. This finding may be attributed to animosity toward the “model minority” from other minority groups. As aforementioned, the “model minority” stereotype assuming Asian Americans’ success in economics, education, and other opportunities generates potential competition or threats by members of other racial groups, which in turn may lead to resentment to be
When offender-related variables are compared, significant differences emerge in the race of offenders. Compared to hate crimes against African Americans, hate crimes against Asian Americans are more likely to be committed by non-White offenders (b = 3.60. exp.(b) = 36.72) than White offenders. Other offenders’ characteristics (i.e., sex and age) however, remain similar. Offenders of hate crimes against the two racial groups are likely to be male and young adults at ages of 18–34. Analysis of incident-related variables shows more significant differences. Comparing with hate crimes against African Americans, hate crimes against Asian Americans are more likely to be committed by strangers than acquaintances (b = −.43, exp.(b) = 0.65).
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Which is factual and per whom?
quote: Whites account for …: 75% of anti-Asian hate crimes
quote: hate crimes against Asian Americans are more likely to be committed by non-White offenders (b = 3.60. exp.(b) = 36.72) than White offenders.
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Short of a used car salesman pitch both cannot be accurate.
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Blacks have messed up in not censuring nigger Yellows have now have actual LAW against verbal slander towards them. America has never as much as considered outlawing the most hateful word in the English language. And now it never will thanks to the Hip Hop nation who have sanctioned use of the word to the point that non-blacks in stores where the clientele is black sling nigger out their mouth every other sentence. I have to hear Camel Jocks, Micks, Spics, Kikes, Wops, etc saying nigger and calling each other and customers nigger. The last four know better, they've been Americans for many a generation. What can I say to new immigrants about the history of the word when ignorant niggers are going to endorse store operator use of the word?
Not to mention in some cities police can freely use nigger.
Oh oh oh but call a yellow a chink jap gook gugu
Yellow wealth, contributions, and influence in the USA is why an Asian hate crimes bill can manifest and pass in a season while Blacks get nothing done by the gov that's explicitly for Blacks. Reds just got what, 30 or 40 billion though they are separate individual nations.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The article you link here says:
quote: Findings of this study, however, also provide support to the minority-specific model, which assumes that hate crimes against different racial minority groups are likely to show significant differences. First, the race of offenders differs significantly across hate crimes against Asian Americans, African Americans, and Hispanics. Specifically, hate crimes against Asian Americans are more likely than hate crimes against either African Americans or Hispanics to be committed by non-White offenders. This finding may be attributed to animosity toward the “model minority” from other minority groups. As aforementioned, the “model minority” stereotype assuming Asian Americans’ success in economics, education, and other opportunities generates potential competition or threats by members of other racial groups, which in turn may lead to resentment to be
When offender-related variables are compared, significant differences emerge in the race of offenders. Compared to hate crimes against African Americans, hate crimes against Asian Americans are more likely to be committed by non-White offenders (b = 3.60. exp.(b) = 36.72) than White offenders. Other offenders’ characteristics (i.e., sex and age) however, remain similar. Offenders of hate crimes against the two racial groups are likely to be male and young adults at ages of 18–34. Analysis of incident-related variables shows more significant differences. Comparing with hate crimes against African Americans, hate crimes against Asian Americans are more likely to be committed by strangers than acquaintances (b = −.43, exp.(b) = 0.65).
They used different models based on data use from 1992–2014, from the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS). But there's a disparity between Black Americans and Asia-Americans. I already posted the FBI hate crime states of both demographics.
For Black Americans it consistently has been between 50% to 70%, while for Asians it has been around 5% consistently, based on data from 2004 to 2019, which I will post in the following post.
quote:"Two theoretical models, minority-general and minority-specific models, are proposed to guide the analyses that compare the effects of victim, offender, and incident-related variables. The data reveal several interesting findings."
It says that 3.60. exp.(b) = 36.72) of the attacks was more done by non-whites compared to African Americans. The 3.60. exp.(b) = 36.72) equals 25%. They used this variable: p < 0.05, p < 0.01.
They explain missing values by indicator variables:
quote:Because of the challenge and difficulty to collect and record information on reported hate crimes, substantial missing values existed among variables in the dataset. Our data screening showed that missing values were mainly from offender-related variables. For example, there were 2121 (19.3%) missing values in offender race, 1873 (17.1%) missing values in offender sex, 2533 (23.1%) missing values in offender age, and 1798 (16.4%) cases had missing values in all three offender-related variables. When encountering missing values in statistical analysis, missing data imputation might be utilized. When the extent of missing data is beyond 15%, or when many variables have missing values simultaneously, however, imputation of missing values may not be appropriate (Tabachnick, & Fidell, 2007)
To examine the pattern of missing values, we created a binary indicator variable.
This is the part where I am confused. There's Asians that are poor, but this differs from country of origin to country of origin.
quote:As aforementioned, the “model minority” stereotype assuming Asian Americans’ success in economics, education, and other opportunities generates potential competition or threats by members of other racial groups, which in turn may lead to resentment to be further acted upon through hate crimes."
This is dishonest at best.
quote: "In 2016, 17.2% of immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree and another 12.8% had attained a postgraduate degree, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data. Both shares are up since 1980, when 7.0% held a bachelor's degree and another 8.7% held a postgraduate degree." [...] "More than half of immigrants from South and East Asian countries (52.1%) had a bachelor’s degree or more in 2016, which is in part explained by Asian countries being the largest source of foreign college graduates who stay to work in the United States. Asian immigrants also make up a majority of H-1B visa holders and foreign students. Latin American immigrants, by contrast, tend to have lower levels of education."
quote:Overall, a total of 3400 law enforcement agencies reported 28,094 racially motivated hate crimes through NIBRS between 1992 and 2014. We used the subset data of the anti-Asian American, anti-African American, and anti-Hispanic incidents for our analysis. Furthermore, considering the purpose of the current study, we limited the victim type to individual victims, and offense type to violent crimes. These historical data made available sufficient cases to be analyzed and covered more jurisdictions. In total, there were 10,981 violent hate crime incidents against these three racial/ethnic groups in the dataset. Among which were 478 anti-Asian, 8628 anti-African American, and 1875 anti-Hispanic hate crimes.
(Yan Zhang, 2021 Jan 7;1-21., Hate Crimes against Asian Americans)
Furter more they claim:
quote:In 2008, for example, Asian American victims accounted for 4.0% of murder victims, 4.7% of rape victims, 11.6% of robbery victims, 5.2% of aggravated assault victims, and 10.3% of all grand larceny victims in the New York City.
These numbers increased to 6.9%, 8.0%, 15.6%, 7.7%, and 15.7% respectively in 2019. Hate crimes against Asian Americans have also increased over the years. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the number of bias-motivated hate crime incidents against Asian Americans had an annual rate of increase of approximately 12% from 2012 to 2014.
(Yan Zhang, 2021 Jan 7;1-21., Hate Crimes against Asian Americans)
FBI, Hate crime statistics comparison.
2004
67.5 percent resulted from an anti-black bias,
Slightly more than 5 percent (5.2) of racially motivated incidents were driven by an anti-Asian or Pacific Islander bias
They haven’t yet updated 2020, but I’m sure it’s the same.
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quote:California State University’s Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism compiled data from 16 of the most populous cities in the U.S. and found 122 incidents of anti-Asian American hate crimes last year compared to the 49 recorded incidents in 2019, reports VOA. Experts believe the trend has continued this year. New York City, which has a significant Asian population, registered the highest increase in anti-Asian hate crime in 2020. Last year, the NYPD investigated a record of 28 incidents involving Asian victims, nearly a tenfold increase from the three cases in 2019. […] The increase coincides with the trend that Asian American advocacy groups have been tracking. Based on Stop AAPI Hate’s data, there were over 2,800 anti-Asian hate incidents between March and December 2020. Of the figures, nearly 9% accounted for physical assault while over 90% were verbal harassment and shunning."
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Thanks, that's a lot to digest.
While doing so though, my focus was on percentages of perpetrators committing anti-yellow hate crimes.
This term Asian is as bad as POC. Israelis are Asian. Indians are Asian. Caucasus caucasians are Asian.
I think I've seen 'commercials' where Harris' people are adapting the term to benefit from the bill.
The both are referred to as Koolis Each have their own pejoratives for black peoples whether African or Asian. Their political concerns are personal without begging for allies or demurring to POC or minority as their prime identity.
American Negroes were outright slaves. They change their ethnic identifier every couple of generations since dropping African to avoid forced 'repatriation'. Though not spoken of as Freedmen, that's exactly the American permanent under caste status their treatment and place in USA society proves.
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Another problem is. How is it even possible when Blacks and Asians mostly live separate from one another? The riddle ism why did Asians keep setting up businesses in Black communities, if Blacks attacked them so heavy as is being claimed by some online?
And when you go look up that paper you will see a lot of activity, where they try to blame Blacks for attacks on Asians. They bring up the most ridiculous arguments.
We also have this article, by a website named after a historically racist company. Of course they don't tell the truth about the misdemeanors.
quote:"Quillette is a right-wing "academic"[note 1] online magazine that tries to present itself as centrist and libertarian when in reality it serves to legitimize many views shared by the alt-right. For example, it regularly publishes articles from a strong conservative viewpoint that are anti-feminist, anti-immigration, Islamophobic and anti-transgender, with some articles more controversially supporting racialism and HBD ("human-biodiversity") pseudoscience, popular among white nationalists."
quote: The New York Police Department compiles the most extensive data on hate crimes in the country. These data confirm the Oakland officer’s observation. A black New Yorker is over six times as likely to commit a hate crime against an Asian as a white New Yorker, according to New York Police Department data. In 2020, blacks made up 50 percent of all suspects in anti-Asian attacks in New York City, even though blacks are 24 percent of the city’s population. Whites made up 10 percent of all suspects in anti-Asian attacks in 2020 in New York City but account for 32 percent of the city’s population. If we include black Hispanics in the black category, blacks account for 60 percent of all anti-Asian attacks in 2020.
This is the NY Hate Crimes Reports source, but they don't explain the causes of the cases, but they do call them misdemeanor criminal mischiefs.
Based on what is gathered from other sources we know this: "Of the figures, nearly 9% accounted for physical assault while over 90% were verbal harassment and shunning."
So these misdemeanors are part of the 90% collective, if these numbers indeed would go into attacks on Asians, which they report doesn't say.
Asian victims 9.9%, suspects 3.8%, arrestees 4.1% Black victims 39.1%, suspects 52.7%, arrestees 45.4% White victims 20.9%, suspects 13.6%, arrestees 15.6% Hispanics victims 24.4%, suspects 29.6%, arrestees 34.6%
quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: Another problem is. How is it even possible when Blacks and Asians mostly live separate from one another? The riddle ism why did Asians keep setting up businesses in Black communities, if Blacks attacked them so heavy as is being claimed by some online?
And when you go look up that paper you will see a lot of activity, where they try to blame Blacks for attacks on Asians. They bring up the most ridiculous arguments.
National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) data from 1992 to 2014 were used for the analysis.
the race of offenders differs significantly across hate crimes against Asian Americans, African Americans, and Hispanics. Specifically, hate crimes against Asian Americans are more likely than hate crimes against either African Americans or Hispanics to be committed by non-White offenders.
The article is not up-to-date it ends 7 years ago, but it is still somewhat recent, starting in 1992, ending 2014
and not a record going back to the beginning of the U.S. where who attacked Asians the most might average differently if you look at the whole history But if it is true hate crimes against Asian Americans now in more recent years are more likely to be committed by non-Whites why is that?
However I think a more relevant question is have hate crimes against Asians increased during the pandemic, this past year and why. I guess it's obvious. People are blaming them for the virus.
I was walking done the street one day in the period of the 911 attacks and some people say a couple of Muslims walking down the street minding their business and somebody said something like them causing the attacks, I forget what was said
So a similar thing may be going on now with Chinese people getting attacked or people that look Chinese, old people in a lot of cases getting pushed down into the concrete, one guy got slashed in the face in NY, this happening adding a bigger jump in these attacks that what already may have been increasing
It seems to doubt there have been more attacks on them recently, on Chinese people and people that look Chinese. As for this 1992-2014 period there could have been an increase there or just more people reporting harassment and attacks. They say Asians, a lot of them immigrants and many who don't speak English well don't report these incidents a lot of times. I think they will now since there was a bigger jump in these attacks during the pandemic. But the vibe I'm getting is that these attacks are going to reduce a bit with all the talk on this and some protests.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The article here you referenced states this:
National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) data from 1992 to 2014 were used for the analysis.
The article is not up-to-date it ends 7 years ago, but it is still somewhat recent, starting in 1992, ending 2014
I have no idea why you try to argue over something I have highlighted.
I included that data that from the FBI, till 2019. And it showed a consistent trend.
"These numbers increased to 6.9%, 8.0%, 15.6%, 7.7%, and 15.7% respectively in 2019. Hate crimes against Asian Americans have also increased over the years. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)".
Supposedly you didn't see it and skipped over it for convenience.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: the race of offenders differs significantly across hate crimes against Asian Americans, African Americans, and Hispanics. Specifically, hate crimes against Asian Americans are more likely than hate crimes against either African Americans or Hispanics to be committed by non-White offenders.
I already have covered what is and can be considered a hate crime against Asians. For something to be a hate against a Black person one has to go through great lengths and extreems. As much as bumping into an Asian or having a dispute over whatever can be considered a hate crime, now.
What must be noticed is that this only counts for Black and perhaps Latinos, but not for whites. The white man who attacked the elderly Asian woman, this was not considered a hate crime. They guy who shop up those Asian Spa's, was not considered a hate crime. And there are many other cases like that where it's not considered a hate crime.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: and not a record going back to the beginning of the U.S. where who attacked Asians the most might average differently if you look at the whole history But if it is true hate crimes against Asian Americans now in more recent years are more likely to be committed by non-Whites why is that?
What are you talking about? There's records of this going back to the gold rush.
quote: Jeu Gong Lum was part of a wave of immigrants who tried to get around the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act (which prohibited Chinese laborers from immigrating to the U.S.) by sneaking across the Canadian border. He fled to the South, where he had a relative, and where he was less likely to be caught by patrol officers. He came to America as an adult, but married a woman who had come over as an indentured servant at age 10 or 11, Berard estimates. That woman, Katherine Wong, grew up thoroughly acclimated to the American South, socializing with white southerners at church, cooking southern food and speaking and writing English fluently.
After they married, they opened a small grocery store—a popular choice for many Chinese immigrants in the South, as it made them “merchants” and therefore carried special permissions that were prohibited to Chinese laborers. They primarily served an African-American clientele. Their children attended white schools, and when they moved to Rosedale their second daughter, Martha Lum, excelled academically. (She had already been keeping the books for her family’s grocery store since she was 5 or 6.) Still, when she and her older sister Berda arrived for the first day of school in 1924, their second year in Rosedale, they were told to leave and attend the black school in town instead—they were now considered colored.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: However I think a more relevant question is have hate crimes against Asians increased during the pandemic, this past year and why. I guess it's obvious. People are blaming them for the virus. .
I think Doxie can answer that question best. Her president created this xenophobia.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I was walking done the street one day in the period of the 911 attacks and some people say a couple of Muslims walking down the street minding their business and somebody said something like them causing the attacks, I forget what was said
Yes, I heard that a lot. From what I recall sikh people were attacked as well. And a lot of Pakistani people were deported. The same happened when Trump started with the "ban plan". A lot of people were attacked by well we know who. And it wasn't Black people. Because Black people had to deal with the old racist trope, go back to Africa.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So a similar thing may be going on now with Chinese people getting attacked or people that look Chinese, old people in a lot of cases getting pushed down into the concrete, one guy got slashed in the face in NY, this happening adding a bigger jump in these attacks that what already may have been increasing
Yes, this happens. And it's shady at best. These people are usually not Black Americans (ADOS) people and or homeless. Homeless people in many cases suffer from mental illness. I think moe is going on, because it can't just pop out of nothing, with a weekly based consistency. That is strange.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: It seems to doubt there have been more attacks on them recently, on Chinese people and people that look Chinese. As for this 1992-2014 period there could have been an increase there or just more people reporting harassment and attacks. They say Asians, a lot of them immigrants and many who don't speak English well don't report these incidents a lot of times. I think they will now since there was a bigger jump in these attacks during the pandemic. But the vibe I'm getting is that these attacks are going to reduce a bit with all the talk on this and some protests.
It's a bit more complicated. Asian businesses lost a lot of money during the hight of the pandemic in 2020. This is a way to get funding. It was already proposed in mid-2020 to set up a large stimulus Bill for Asian businesses. That is how the stimulus Bill was passed from those companies.
That is what many suspect!
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This is a digitized version of an article from The Times’s print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them.
Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions.
quote: Led by a man posing as an agent of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, four Chinese men kidnapped a wealthy 26-year-old Chinese woman from her home in this Los Angeles suburb last fall. Then they called from Japan to demand ransom of $1 million, to be paid in Tokyo.
Just before the victim was to be shot, the police rescued her and arrested three of the kidnappers. They turned out to be members of the Four Seas Gang, a powerful criminal syndicate from Taiwan whose members include movie stars and prosperous business executives.
The incident is one of a growing number of cases of Chinese organized crime in the United States, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the President's Commission on Organized Crime and police departments around the country.
''Asian organized crime will end up being the No. 1 organized crime problem in North America in the next five years,'' said Jon D. Elder, Chief of Police in Monterey Park, a town where a local supermarket is built to resemble a Chinese palace and the streets are lined with shops like the Golden Shark Restaurant, Ma's Acupuncture and East-West Real Estate.
''In my humble opinion,'' Mr. Elder said, ''they'll make the Sicilian Mafia look like a bunch of Sunday school kids.''
Chinese gangs in particular pose a threat, he suggested, because with bases in Hong Kong, Taiwan and Southeast Asia, they have access to more money and people and enjoy a greater sophistication than their Italian counterparts.
The police agree that the vast majority of Chinese are law-abiding, and in recent years Chinese immigrants have gained widespread public recognition for their accomplishments in fields like physics, engineering and business.
In the past, the police were aware of a low level of crimes like gambling and extortion in some of the country's Chinatowns. But the situation suddenly became much more serious, the law-enforcement officials say, after the immigration laws were changed in 1965, ending a virtual ban on entry by Asians to the United States.
From 1970 to 1980, according to the Census Bureau, the number of Chinese in the United States jumped 85 percent, to 806,027 from 435,062. In 1984 alone, nearly 50,000 ethnic Chinese from China, Hong Kong and Taiwan settled in the United States, making them the second largest group of legal immigrants after Mexicans, figures from the Immigration and Naturalization Service show.
''Some of these new immigrants are kids who had a record as toughs on the streets of Hong Kong,'' said Inspector John R. McKenna, head of the Asian gang unit of the San Francisco Police Department. ''They don't speak much English, and when their parents took jobs as waiters in restaurants or workers in garment factories with long hours, they began forming bands to engage in petty extortion from businesses in Chinatown.''
Moving Into New Territory
At the same time, some well-established gang leaders from Hong Kong and Taiwan apparently saw a lucrative new opportunity in the growing Chinese communities in America and began trying to set up operations, a number of police officials believe.
In December, in response to this growing problem, the F.B.I. completed an 18-month study of Asian organized crime in the United States, according to Oliver B. Revell, assistant director of the bureau's criminal investigative division. Mr. Revell declined to discuss its conclusions, but others with the F.B.I. said the bureau was considering setting up a special unit on Asian crime.
Last fall the President's Commission on Organized Crime, established by President Reagan in 1983, held three days of hearings on Chinese, Vietnamese and Japanese organized crime in the United States. James D. Harmon Jr., the commission's chief counsel, asserted that secret Chinese criminal groups, known as triads, were involved in gambling, extortion, prostitution, robbery, corruption of government officials and murder in a number of American cities.
Mr. Harmon also contended that these groups, through links to Chinese triads in Asia, were responsible for smuggling 20 to 30 percent of the heroin now entering the United States and were engaged in huge money-laundering operations using American banks in Hong Kong to hide their illegal activities.
Skepticism on Drug Link
There is skepticism among some local police departments and the Drug Enforcement Administration about the commission's contention of heavy Chinese involvement in heroin traffic.
''Chinese do collect the opium in the Golden Triangle in Southeast Asia and start turning it into heroin, but they use intermediaries to get it to the U.S. market,'' an official of the Drug Enforcement Administration said in Washington. ''Chinese are not the major players in heroin trafficking in the United States.''
Some Chinese were angered by the accusations of large-scale Chinese organized crime at the recent hearings of the President's commission. ''It makes me mad - they slandered the Chinese community,'' said Rose Pak, a social activist in San Francisco's Chinatown.
''I'm not saying there are no gangs, but it was all very exaggerated,'' Miss Pak said. ''There is nothing like the Mafia here.''
Rapidly Growing Problem
But interviews with local police officials around the country as well as with agents of the F.B.I. and the Drug Enforcement Administration found widespread agreement that Chinese organized crime has grown rapidly in the past few years, posing troublesome questions for those law-enforcement agencies.
The agencies have found the problem especially difficult to handle because few police officers speak Chinese and because of the clandestine nature of the Chinese crime groups.
''They are very similar to the early stages of La Cosa Nostra,'' said Mr. Elder, noting the penchant of both the Chinese and Italian organized crime groups for secrecy, a love of rituals and strict hierarchical loyalty. Morever, the Chinese triads, like their Italian counterparts, have a long history and assert a nationalistic origin.
Image as Robin Hoods
The triads, in fact, are corrupted descendants of 17th-century secret societies founded to resist the seizure of the imperial throne by the alien Qing dynasty. In classic Chinese novels their members have often been portrayed as Robin Hoods.
Chiang Kai-shek used one such group, the Green Gang, which controlled Shanghai's underground, to massacre Communist labor union members in 1927 and seize control of the city. The term triad is a purely English derivation from the groups' sacred symbol, a triangle whose sides represent Heaven, Earth and Man, the three basic forces of nature for the Chinese.
In recent years the triads have splintered into competing factions. But American law-enforcement officers admit they know very little about whether there is any central control over the groups in America from Hong Kong or Taiwan or whether direct links from city to city exist inside this country.
New York Case Noted
One recent case that has intrigued the police is that of Edward Tse Chiu Chan, a prominent business owner in New York who was named in hearings before the Presidential crime commission as a leader of organized crime in Chinatown. Mr. Chan is said to have financial interests in a funeral home, two Chinatown restaurants and a chain of movie theaters that includes one in New York.
A staff investigator for the commission testified that Mr. Chan, a former Hong Kong police sergeant, had ordered the shooting of dissident gang members in Chicago and was an executive of an international financial group under Federal investigation in connection with fraudulent trading in commodities.
The commission investigator also identified Mr. Chan as a former national president of the On Leong Tong, one of the so-called benevolent societies set up in Chinatowns around the United States in the 19th century. The investigator said the tong controlled a youth gang known as the Ghost Shadows.
Mr. Chan has never been indicted, and his lawyer, Frederick P. Hafetz, said his client denied all the accusations.
A Variety of Situations
Other recent cases indicating the extent of the problem include these:
- In the Chinatown section of Los Angeles, two Chinese robbing a jade and gold shop died, along with a police officer, in a gun battle in December; another officer was critically wounded. One of the dead robbers turned out to be a Hong Kong-born Chinese who had been the key prosecution witness in the trial of Chinese gang members who killed five bystanders and wounded 11 others in a shooting spree in the Golden Dragon Restaurant in San Francisco in 1977. The Los Angeles police said the two dead robbers and three other Chinese subsequently arrested were part of an Asian-American armed robbery ring with links in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York and Hong Kong.
- In November the F.B.I. announced that three top leaders of the Bamboo Gang, a criminal syndicate from Taiwan, were wanted for the slaying of Henry Liu, a Chinese writer in San Francisco. Mr. Liu's critical biography of President Chiang Ching-kuo of Taiwan had just been published. The lawyer for the slain author has asserted that the killing was ''ordered and planned by powerful figures in Taiwan.'' Two of the three suspects wanted by the F.B.I. have been arrested in Taiwan. Officials there have told Mayor Dianne Feinstein of San Francisco that they will not extradite the men but will try them if the evidence warrants..
- A Federal grand jury in San Francisco is investigating Vincent Jew, a 32- year-old Chinese born in Hong Kong, who is said to be a leader of the Wah Ching, the dominant gang in that city's Chinatown, according to the Bay area police. Mr. Jew, who also owns a restaurant and operates a lucrative agency that brings popular Chinese singers from Taiwan and Hong Kong, disappeared in October after refusing to testify before the President's commission. Appalachin Reprise Seen
The commission wanted to question Mr. Jew about his attendance at a five- day meeting in a Hong Kong hotel in early 1983 that Mr. Harmon of the crime commission compares to the 1957 gathering of American organized crime figures in Appalachin, N.Y.
Sgt. Barry Hill of the Toronto police, a specialist on Chinese gangs, said the Hong Kong meeting was attended by five other leaders of Chinese gangs from New York, Boston, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Toronto. He said they went to Hong Kong to confer with Lau Wing-keung, head of the Kung Lok triad, one of the four largest triads in Hong Kong.
According to the sergeant, Mr. Lau was deported from Canada in 1977 for his involvement in triad activity but keeps in touch with a branch of the Kung Lok triad in Toronto by telephone and oversaw one of its recent elections.
Although the police do not know what occurred at the Hong Kong meeting, Mr. Harmon of the Presidential panel believes it was ''an attempt to centralize control over Chinese organized crime in the United States.''
Burning the Yellow Paper
Sergeant Hill cites other connections between some of the participants in the gathering. They earlier set up a company, now defunct, to bring Chinese singers and movie stars to North America; this gave them exclusive rights in each of their own cities.
In addition, Sergeant Hill asserted that Stephen Tse, who he said was the leader of an organized crime group in Boston, frequently went to Toronto to meet with Danny Mo, local head of the Kung Lok triad. On one occasion the two men, both born in Hong Kong, carried out a triad ceremony known as ''burning the yellow paper,'' signifying an agreement between different groups.
Mr. Tse has been in jail in Boston since October after refusing to answer questions by the President's commission about the Hong Kong meeting. An affidavit filed with the Federal District Court in Boston by the commission contended that Mr. Tse was known as ''Skyd ragon'' and was head of a group that had ''conducted illegal gambling operations, extortion of Chinese merchants, prostitution, narcotics trafficking and other criminal activities, including murder.'' Case Studies of Problems
The city of Monterey Park provides case studies of some of the Asian crime problems faced in many communities.
Its Asian populace has jumped to 39 percent of all residents from 2 percent in the last decade at the same time that its overall population has risen to 59,000 from 49,000. Most of the new inhabitants, who are largely from Taiwan, are law-abiding, Police Chief Elder is careful to point out.
The number of banks in Monterey Park, which is only seven miles square, has soared to 28 from 4 in the last decade, and most are owned by Chinese. That worries Mr. Elder, because he says he has information that they ''launder'' $1.5 million to $2 million every day from illegal activities.
Other law-enforcement officials suggest that some of the money may be capital sent to the United States by nervous residents of Hong Kong and Taiwan.
Mr. Elder is also disturbed by the appearance of nightclubs such as the Golden Fountain and Mr. J's in nearby El Monte, which feature ''dancing bears,'' Chinese women who sit and drink or dance with patrons for $18 an hour. The nightclubs are copies of bars in Taiwan, where customers can pay to take the women home, and most of the taxi dancers hold student visas, Mr. Elder said.
Efforts in Legal Gambling
The Golden Fountain is owned by a group of investors from Hong Kong who have tried to buy into a legal poker club in the nearby city of Commerce, where they proposed to run Chinese gambling games like mah-jongg, Mr. Elder reported. They have also sought to buy a casino in Las Vegas, Mr. Elder said, and he is concerned that the investors may only be a front for a triad group from Hong Kong.
Besides the Four Seas Gang, which staged the recent kidnapping in Monterey Park, there are at least three other Chinese gangs in the town, Mr. Elder said, and fighting among them over control of local rackets led to eight shootings in the Los Angeles area this fall. Among the many unanswered questions about Chinese gangs is the degree to which the old tongs are involved in organized crime. These include groups like the On Leong Tong, based in New York, and the Hop Sing Tong, in San Francisco, which provide cheap meals and a meeting place for elderly Chinese.
Dispute Over Tongs
Mr. Revell of the F.B.I. said some of the tongs were heavily involved in gambling and extortion, with their own youth gangs to act as enforcers. But others are not, he said, adding that he could not go into detail because of current investigations.
''There is a significant difference between the Chinese and La Cosa Nostra,'' Mr. Revell said. ''The Chinese don't have a network, a commission to arbitrate disputes.''
The Chinese gangs ''enjoy a degree of autonomy the L.C.N. doesn't,'' he said. ''But some of the Chinese in the United States belonged to gangs while they lived in Hong Kong and they still have personal ties there, so we can't be sure about the real connections.''
Miss Pak, the San Francisco social activist, said the tongs consisted of ''just a bunch of tired old men who were discriminated against for years'' and asserted that even gambling had virtually disappeared from Chinatown, with fleets of daily buses now taking Chinese up to Reno to gamble legally and leaving only one or two old women running small mah-jongg games.
But a Chinese-speaking F.B.I. agent recalled visiting one of those games a few weeks ago. When he went in, he conceded, there were only a handful of old women playing mah-jongg, even though he had to pass through three steel doors.
''They let us see just enough to make us think we saw everything,'' the agent said. ''But a few minutes after we left, they went back to their regular games, I know.'
A version of this article appears in print on Jan. 13, 1985, Section 1, Page 1 of the National edition with the headline: CHINESE ORGANIZED CRIME SAID TO RISE IN U.S..
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So a similar thing may be going on now with Chinese people getting attacked or people that look Chinese, old people in a lot of cases getting pushed down into the concrete, one guy got slashed in the face in NY, this happening adding a bigger jump in these attacks that what already may have been increasing
Yes, this happens. And it's shady at best. These people are usually not Black Americans (ADOS) people and or homeless. Homeless people in many cases suffer from mental illness. I think moe is going on, because it can't just pop out of nothing, with a weekly based consistency. That is strange.
You are saying these people are usually not Black Americans (ADOS) ?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So a similar thing may be going on now with Chinese people getting attacked or people that look Chinese, old people in a lot of cases getting pushed down into the concrete, one guy got slashed in the face in NY, this happening adding a bigger jump in these attacks that what already may have been increasing
Yes, this happens. And it's shady at best. These people are usually not Black Americans (ADOS) people and or homeless. Homeless people in many cases suffer from mental illness. I think moe is going on, because it can't just pop out of nothing, with a weekly based consistency. That is strange.
You are saying these people are usually not Black Americans (ADOS) ?
From what people have gathered, no they aren't ADOS in many cases. Nor will the media outlets elaborate on the history of these people. They always do, the same way they did with Trayvon Martin etc.
For example: Yahya Muslim, with whom this started. Finding something about him as a teen is simply not possible. And so it is with many others. Where are this man's family members etc.?
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Thanks, that's a lot to digest.
While doing so though, my focus was on percentages of perpetrators committing anti-yellow hate crimes.
This term Asian is as bad as POC. Israelis are Asian. Indians are Asian. Caucasus caucasians are Asian.
I think I've seen 'commercials' where Harris' people are adapting the term to benefit from the bill.
The both are referred to as Koolis Each have their own pejoratives for black peoples whether African or Asian. Their political concerns are personal without begging for allies or demurring to POC or minority as their prime identity.
American Negroes were outright slaves. They change their ethnic identifier every couple of generations since dropping African to avoid forced 'repatriation'. Though not spoken of as Freedmen, that's exactly the American permanent under caste status their treatment and place in USA society proves.
This paper goes by the ethnicities.
PREJUDICE INCIDENTS TARGETING U.S. AAPI POPULATIONS BY VICTIM ETHNICITY MARCH 19 - DECEMBER 31, 2020
FACT SHEET: Anti-Asian Prejudice March 2021 Center for the Study of Hate & Extremism
Anti-Asian Hate Crime Reported to Police in America’s Largest Cities: 2019 & 2020
Anti-Asian Hate Crimes Surge 145%, while overall hate crime Drops 6% in 2020.
Statistically these attacks are rare and we don't hear cultural things against Asians in the black community that much but this keeps happening and is happening more and the suspects are often black, let's be honest. The Asians are not going to keep taking this and the backlash could get ugly
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Statistically these attacks are rare and we don't hear cultural things against Asians in the black community that much but this keeps happening and is happening more and the suspects are often black, let's be honest. The Asians are not going to keep taking this and the backlash could get ugly
Do you have the complete screen capture?
What is suspected is that these people are operatives, because it all seems very odd. Tariq Nasheed said that they are most likely people who are comprised.
I notice that all this started happening after the 6th of jan insurrection. There were a lot of Asian flags. Something is very off here.
quote: The flags of Canada, Cuba, Georgia, India, Israel, South Korea, and South Vietnam were spotted in the mob. It’s unclear why many of these flags appeared, though a number of the white supremacist and militia groups that were present have international chapters. For example, the presence of the Canadian flag could have been because the white nationalist group the Proud Boys was founded by a Canadian.
To be honest, since we don't know anything about these perpetrators background. I even think some of them aren't even Black people, but folks with silicon masks. It's not like it never happened. Keen way to derail the goal, after a massive crowed of Trump supporters went against Asians in 2020.
White bank robber Conrad Zdzierak nabbed wearing black man mask.
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This case is well known. This man killed his own mother in 2002. Why he wash out of jail is why everybody is wondering about. He lived in a homeless shelter. We have Black men who do more time over selling 3 gram weed. Something is very off here!
The black authority did a broadcast on this incident as well.
quote: Tonight the man police say behind a brutal attack on an Asian woman is sitting in jail. Brandon Elliot faced a judge tonight for a hate crime after an intense manhunt tracked him down. Elliot is a convicted killer who was out on parole when police say he turned on the woman in Hell's Kitchen. And tonight, we have new information on how bystanders reacted to this attack. Eyewitness News reporter CeFaan Kim with more.
CEFAAN KIM: The alleged assailant in Monday's brutal attack in Hell's Kitchen arrested overnight and charged with assault as a hate crime. He lived here three blocks away from the hate-filled attack at the Four Points by Sheraton Hotel on West 40th street, which is being used as a homeless shelter. 38-year-old Brandon Elliot is already a convicted murderer, released from prison 16 months ago on lifetime parole for stabbing his mother to death in 2002 in front of his five-year-old sister at their Bronx home when he was 19.
DERMOT SHEA: I don't understand why we are releasing or pushing people out of prison, not to give them second chances, but to put them into homeless facilities or shelters.
CEFAAN KIM: Investigators say Elliot kicked a 65-year-old Filipino American woman while walking to church, then stomped on her head three times before telling her you don't belong here.
quote:How 5.9 grams of marijuana landed man in prison for 20 years
When Ronald Hammond appeared in a Baltimore courtroom on a charge of possessing 5.9 grams of marijuana, the judge scoffed at the case.
District Judge Askew Gatewood told the prosecutor that "5.9 grams won't roll you a decent joint," according to a transcript of the 2012 case. "Why would I want to spend taxpayers' money putting his little raggedy butt in jail — feeding him, clothing him, cable TV, Internet, prayer, medical expense, clothing — on $5 worth of weed?"
Gatewood encouraged Hammond to plead guilty and said he would let him off with a small fine.
But months later, the case would land Hammond in prison for 20 years.
quote:Man gets 80 years for drug possession, family says sentence doesn't fit crime
"An 80-year sentence, a justifiable 80-year sentence for a drug possession? Maybe for a kingpin, maybe for El Chapo," community activist Deric Muhammad said.
"I just feel he didn't have a fair trial from day one, because you had 11 white jurors and one black juror," Tunisha Holmes added.
The family is asking the conviction be overturned and say the time doesn't fit the crime. Relatives say in July of 2017, Holmes was visiting family in Upshur County when he was involved in a road rage incident with a Caucasian woman.
They say he threw a beer bottle. No one was hurt, but he was pulled over for the incident.
The family says he was charged with possession of 16 grams of cocaine and neither he nor the woman faced charges for the road rage allegations.
To be honest, since we don't know anything about these perpetrators background. I even think some of them aren't even Black people, but folks with silicon masks.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] March 30
Videos shows 65-year-old Asian women attacked as witnesses don't help
This case is well known. This man killed his own mother in 2002. Why he was out of jail is what everybody is wondering about. He lived in a homeless shelter.
The mans name is Brandon Elliot. Elliot was convicted of stabbing his mother to death in 2002 and served 17 years in prison. He was denied parole twice and then released on lifetime parole in 2019. He was living at a homeless shelter.
Man, 68, Punched in Face on NY Subway Victim of Anti-Asian Hate A 68-year-old man punched in the face by a stranger on a Tribeca subway train, leaving him in critical condition, _________________________________________
Woman Attacked While on Her Way to Anti-Asian Violence Rally | NBC New York
I think it's a trend. People are coping each other. I hope it stops before someone retaliates attacking a random black person
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DERMOT SHEA: I don't understand why we are releasing or pushing people out of prison, not to give them second chances, but to put them into homeless facilities or shelters.
Some people attribute violence in New York to bail reform. Others say it's due to other factors Shootings, murders and hate crimes on Asians are up in NY
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quote: DERMOT SHEA: I don't understand why we are releasing or pushing people out of prison, not to give them second chances, but to put them into homeless facilities or shelters.
Some people attribute violence in New York to bail reform. Others say it's due to other factors Shootings, murders and hate crimes on Asians are up in NY
And some say it's both. Yet, when we look at the numbers we see that Black people are the main victims. This can be see in the FBI table. But every victim is one too many.
It appears you don't read, but act on emotions, not rationality.
City Population New York New York City, NY 8,336,817
Total Hate Crimes 2019: 428
Total Hate Crimes 2020: 265
% of Change for Total Hate Crimes 2019-2020 -38%
% of Population - AAPI 14.5%
Percent of Change Anti-Asian Hate Crimes 833%
2019 Anti-Asian: 3
2020 Anti-Asian: 28
Anti-Asian Hate Crimes Surge 145%, while overall hate crime Drops 6% in 2020
Anti-Black victim incidents 2019 to 2018: 1,930 from 1,943
Anti-Black victim incidents 2018 to 2014: 1,930 from 1,621
Anti-Asian victim incidents 2019 to 2018: 158 from 148
Anti-Asian victim incidents 2018 to 2014: 148 from 104
For above table Anti-Asian does NOT include Pac. Isl./Alaska Native. Source: FBIPosts: 22235 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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To be honest, since we don't know anything about these perpetrators background. I even think some of them aren't even Black people, but folks with silicon masks.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: March 30
Videos shows 65-year-old Asian women attacked as witnesses don't help
This case is well known. This man killed his own mother in 2002. Why he was out of jail is what everybody is wondering about. He lived in a homeless shelter.
The mans name is Brandon Elliot. Elliot was convicted of stabbing his mother to death in 2002 and served 17 years in prison. He was denied parole twice and then released on lifetime parole in 2019. He was living at a homeless shelter.
I have a question here. Do you actually read posts before you respond?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ttps://www.officer.com/investigations/news/21215244/man-68-punched-in-face-on-ny-subway-victim-of-antiasian-hate
Man, 68, Punched in Face on NY Subway Victim of Anti-Asian Hate A 68-year-old man punched in the face by a stranger on a Tribeca subway train, leaving him in critical condition,
Tariq Nasheed had a presentation on the suspect.
It appears this man was also at some Andrew Yang rally.
Tariq also commented on his outdated fashion from the '80s. People from New York have been asked about this fashion and people from New York do not recognize this trend. New York can be extravagant when it comes to fashion, but this? Nobody like this goes unnoticed.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Woman Attacked While on Her Way to Anti-Asian Violence Rally | NBC New York
The only trend I am seeing is that something shady is going on.
Tariq and Jason Black suggested that they make deals with these homeless people, who are often also mentally ill and drug addicts, and or of immigrant background.
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Commuter, 61, who was slashed across the face with a box cutter on NYC subway
A suspect, Aditya Vemulapati.
No, Aditya Vemulapati is not the suspect in the above incident. The man above has not been caught as far as I know
"On Thursday morning, another woman was pushed in front of a train at Union Station. The woman, in her 40s, miraculously survived by rolling between the tracks as the train passed over her.
A suspect, Aditya Vemulapati, was held at the scene by transit workers and is charged with attempted murder, felony assault, and reckless endangerment. His last known address is in Michigan and he is believed to be homeless. "
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Man, 68, Punched in Face on NY Subway Victim of Anti-Asian Hate A 68-year-old man punched in the face by a stranger on a Tribeca subway train, leaving him in critical condition, [/qb]
Tariq Nasheed had a presentation on the suspect.
It appears this man was also at some Andrew Yang rally.
Tariq also commented on his outdated fashion from the '80s. People from New York have been asked about this fashion and people from New York do not recognize this trend. New York can be extravagant when it comes to fashion, but this? Nobody like this goes unnoticed.
Somebody commits a crime wearing a bright pink hoodie. Then they leave. Did some people there remember a man with a pink shirt there? Maybe so what
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Commuter, 61, who was slashed across the face with a box cutter on NYC subway
A suspect, Aditya Vemulapati.
No, Aditya Vemulapati is not the suspect in the above incident. The man above has not been caught as far as I know
"On Thursday morning, another woman was pushed in front of a train at Union Station. The woman, in her 40s, miraculously survived by rolling between the tracks as the train passed over her.
A suspect, Aditya Vemulapati, was held at the scene by transit workers and is charged with attempted murder, felony assault, and reckless endangerment. His last known address is in Michigan and he is believed to be homeless. "
Why would they mention Aditya Vemulapati, if he had nothing to do with the incident?
quote: "Homeless man who shoved woman onto NYC subway tracks held without bail"
Aditya Vemulapati, 24, was arraigned on charges of attempted murder in the second-degree, attempted assault in the first-degree, assault in the second-degree and first-degree reckless endangerment during the virtual Manhattan Criminal Court hearing.
Authorities say surveillance video captured Vemulapati attack the unsuspecting 40-year-old woman while she waited for a train at 14th Street-Union Square station at 8:30 a.m. Thursday.
Vemulapati, who was seen pacing the platform, allegedly ran up behind the woman and pushed her onto the tracks just as a No. 5 train entered the station.
The only trend I am seeing is that something shady is going on.
Tariq and Jason Black suggested that they make deals with these homeless people, who are often also mentally ill and drug addicts, and or of immigrant background. [/QB]
It's sad these conspiracy are proposed with zero evidence. Homeless or crazy people attack people sometimes Are we to believe that anybody who attacks somebody who is black was paid by somebody top do it?
Brandon Elliot seen in a viral video kicking a 65-year-old Asian-American woman in the stomach and then repeatedly kicking her once she fell to the ground.
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The only trend I am seeing is that something shady is going on.
Tariq and Jason Black suggested that they make deals with these homeless people, who are often also mentally ill and drug addicts, and or of immigrant background.
It's sad these conspiracy are proposed with zero evidence. Homeless or crazy people attack people sometimes Are we to believe that anybody who attacks somebody who is black was paid by somebody top do it?
Brandon Elliot seen in a viral video kicking a 65-year-old Asian-American woman in the stomach and then repeatedly kicking her once she fell to the ground.
It is not strange at all, considering American history. Often police has used forceful tactics to make people do false testimonies or pressure them into doing things.
And this is the third time you are posting about Brandon Elliot, while I literally had a post on him explaining the incident.
Tariq commented on his clothes and there's indeed something strange going on with these people's fashion.
These people do not just attack, they are outspoken in their attacks and usually make sure they say something outrages and loudly. These are some of patterns, he mentioned.
Tariq did some digging into George Okrepkie history, and it was very reveling.
Also the locations where these things take place often seem odd according to people from New York.
The fact that Black Americans have these broadcast hours upon hours explains there is concern of what's going on.
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Commuter, 61, who was slashed across the face with a box cutter on NYC subway
A suspect, Aditya Vemulapati.
No, Aditya Vemulapati is not the suspect in the above incident. The man above has not been caught as far as I know
"On Thursday morning, another woman was pushed in front of a train at Union Station. The woman, in her 40s, miraculously survived by rolling between the tracks as the train passed over her.
A suspect, Aditya Vemulapati, was held at the scene by transit workers and is charged with attempted murder, felony assault, and reckless endangerment. His last known address is in Michigan and he is believed to be homeless. "
Why would they mention Aditya Vemulapati, if he had nothing to do with the incident?
Aditya Vemulapati was also mentioned in the article because in a separate unrelated incident he pushed someone onto subway tracks a day before the face slashing above and the NYPD Commissioner Dermot Shea said attacks in recent months were 'too common and something that is very disturbing.'
Liliana Sagbaicela was pushed onto subway tracks by Vemulapati but was not seriously injured since she landed between the row bed and the rails.
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Man, 68, Punched in Face on NY Subway Victim of Anti-Asian Hate A 68-year-old man punched in the face by a stranger on a Tribeca subway train, leaving him in critical condition,
Tariq Nasheed had a presentation on the suspect.
It appears this man was also at some Andrew Yang rally.
Tariq also commented on his outdated fashion from the '80s. People from New York have been asked about this fashion and people from New York do not recognize this trend. New York can be extravagant when it comes to fashion, but this? Nobody like this goes unnoticed.
Somebody commits a crime wearing a bright pink hoodie. Then they leave. Did some people there remember a man with a pink shirt there? Maybe so what
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Aditya Vemulapati was also mentioned in the article because in a separate unrelated incident he pushed someone onto subway tracks a day before the face slashing above and the NYPD Commissioner Dermot Shea said attacks in recent months were 'too common and something that is very disturbing.'
Liliana Sagbaicela was pushed onto subway tracks by Vemulapati but was not seriously injured since she landed between the row bed and the rails.
The article was horrible written.
Vemulapati, who was seen pacing the platform, allegedly ran up behind the woman and pushed her onto the tracks just as a No. 5 train entered the station.
But they showed another man?
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Tariq commented on his clothes and there's indeed something strange going on with these people's fashion.
These people do not just attack, they are outspoken in their attacks and usually make sure they say something outrages and loudly. These are some of patterns, he mentioned.
Tariq did some digging into George Okrepkie history, and it was very reveling.
Also the locations where these things take place often seem odd according to people from New York.
The fact that Black Americans have these broadcast hours upon hours explains there is concern of what's going on.
Tariq has got you believing a whole lot of conspiratorial nonsense and he does this for views on youtube
Asians are getting brutally attacked and you are talking about some homeless persons bad fashion sense is some kind of clue to a conspiracy.
So the FBI or CIA or some right wing group is paying these homeless people to attack Asians but telling them dress in 1980s styles, they need them to look weird and stand out
and if it's not that it's actually a white agent in a rubber mask. Stop the denial and deal with reality
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Tariq commented on his clothes and there's indeed something strange going on with these people's fashion.
These people do not just attack, they are outspoken in their attacks and usually make sure they say something outrages and loudly. These are some of patterns, he mentioned.
Tariq did some digging into George Okrepkie history, and it was very reveling.
Also the locations where these things take place often seem odd according to people from New York.
The fact that Black Americans have these broadcast hours upon hours explains there is concern of what's going on.
Tariq has got you believing a whole lot of conspiratorial nonsense and he does this for views on youtube
Asians are getting brutally attacked and you are talking about some homeless persons bad fashion sense is some kind of clue to a conspiracy.
So the FBI or CIA or some right wing group is paying these homeless people to attack Asians but telling them dress in 1980s styles, they need them to look weird and stand out
and if it's not that it's actually a white agent in a rubber mask
In many cases there's indeed something shady going on. And in many cases his analysis has been correct. George Okrepkie happened to be a hardcore blue lives matter supporter. And "Marc Mathieu" is indeed not a Black American (ADOS / FBA).
Nobody is saying. Black persons can't commit crime, but these things that go on are often really strange.
And yes, the FBI or CIA have used Black people, in particularly of immigrant background to undermine Black Americans (ADOS / FBA). That is historically accurate as can be. Although I've never mentioned these organizations you did.
And yes, police do set up horrible traps for Black America, that too is historical accurate.You act as if they have his cozy relationship with the Black community.
quote: A widely touted study found no evidence of racism in police shootings. It’s full of errors.
The authors retracted it because of those flaws — not for political reasons
A deeply flawed study of police shootings, published in an influential journal, has been retracted by its authors. This is a positive step for the crucial debate on police violence, because pundits continue to use this baseless article to dismiss concerns over racial bias in policing.
Despite the social unrest following George Floyd’s killing — and despite polls finding that most Americans believe the incident reflects a broader societal problem — unscientific denialism about the possibility of police racism remains prevalent among some partisans, up to and including the president. Indeed, on Tuesday, President Trump echoed a prominent misleading argument — that “more white people” are killed by police than black people, a statement offered as a rebuttal of discriminatory police violence but one that is true only because there are so many more white than black people in the United States.
quote: Exonerated! Falsely Accused Black Folks Freed From Prison
However, his legal troubles are far from over. Alford, 47, recently filed a lawsuit against Hertz, alleging that the rental company lost a receipt that would prove he was nowhere in the vicinity of the 2011 killing he was charged with, The New York Times reports. Alford was convicted of murdering 23-year-old Michael Adams on the night of Oct. 18, 2011. Investigators state Adams was killed during a dispute over 50 pounds of stolen marijuana. Alford maintained he was too far away to be ruled as suspect, he was renting a car at Hertz’s Capital Region International Airport location in Lansing, Michigan. Hertz finally produced the receipt in 2018, but Alford wasn’t released until 2020.
A man who spent 19 years in prison was exonerated this week after it was determined his conviction was based on false testimony and suspicious evidence that may have centered on a police cover up.
And yes, the FBI or CIA have used Black people, in particularly of immigrant background to undermine Black Americans (ADOS).
Are you ADOS ?
Not all black people in America are ADOS
This term is becoming some sort of status symbol now. It's like "we're ADOS. We're getting our reparations soon. You other black people, we like you but don't come in here trying to get a piece of this pie, go get your Caricom, ADOS is our thing"
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And yes, the FBI or CIA have used Black people, in particularly of immigrant background to undermine Black Americans (ADOS).
Are you ADOS ?
Not all black people in America are ADOS
This term is becoming some sort of status symbol now. It's like "we're ADOS. We're getting our reparations soon. You other black people, we like you but don't come in here trying to get a piece of this pie, go get your Caricom, ADOS is our thing"
No I am not ADOS. I made that clear along time ago. It's as if I am talking to a total stranger here. Why is that?
The native Black people want to refer to themselves as ADOS or FBA (not every singel person, but in general yes.)
And yes there's some xenophobia sentiment in it, but that doesn't go for all. And the Caricom argument is ridiculous, however some people from the Caribbean did act weird when the reparations talk became national. Like why are we not included? When it comes to this subject, I did talk to relatively a lot of people over the years and it was from all groups, native Black Americans, Caribbean and Africa and even Latin America.
I was the one in these discussion to make clear that Caricom exists. I also made clear that there's a long history of Caribbean immigration into North America, which gives a lot of people a foreign grandfather or mother.
In this thread I have posted how some of these people are indeed from a foreign background, which is twice as frustrating. And there's foreign Black people who do create troubles and hysteria for ADOS / FBA.
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Yte Germans can't claim yte Irish Estonians can't claim Portuguese But recent immigrant Africans abracadabra American Negro And recent immigrant Caribbes presto change-o American Negro
Those peoples have neither American Negro heritage nor certainly have they American Negro lineage
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Those who do the work get the pay.
Have you ever worked a job or had a career where black new hires got a piece of your wages, salary, and pension and it's OK because they too are black in the same company? Madness. You wouldn't stand for it much less go along with and promote it.
Yet this is what's being foisted onto American Negroes by their bought out DNC politicos and their intelligentsia and gentry.
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American Negroes only ones owed USA Slavery reparations American Negroes only ones owed Reconstruction reparations American Negroes + black in-laws only ones due Jim Crow reparations Caribbes before the 1960s had at times married American Negroes Partial Jim Crow + full Jim Crow Jr reparations may be due their American descendants.
Africans have relayed how Jim Crow didn't effect them Africans didn't embrace repatriated American Negroes (colonial proxies) Africans sold the African ancestors of American Negroes to all buyers.
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Luso-Hispanics of African descent seemed removed from the conversation? I've never heard, eg, a Nego or Cocolito claiming Black American identity.
USA Atlantic and Caribbe 'colonies'? Once owned by European nations, despite Caribbe accents they are United States citizens and serve in the US military. At what point in time and which set(s) of reparations apply to them are yet to enter the equation.
Americans, Africans, and Caribbes all have their cultures of their own.
American Negroes have USA slavery cuisine, Soul Food. Ghanaians have their 'stinking fish' with fufu. Various Caribbes have cou cou and codfish. American Negroes have nothing like either. They do not dip fish in sauce or paste then have a handful of starch to down it.
American Negroes did not create Reggae, Socca, or Zouk. American Negroes did not create Hi-Life, Soukous, or Gnawa Trance. No other people but American Negroes created field chants during USA slavery. That gave the whole wide world the Spirituals, Blues, Jazz, Rock&Roll, Soul, Rhythm&Blues, and Funk. In my mind Caribbes are as responsible for the Rap Era and coalescent Hip Hop as are American Negroes. Slightly Africanized Hip Hop is all over the Continent making once Petit Sapeurs into overnight Congo millionaires.
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Harlem's Aethiopian Hebrew community was born of mostly Caribbe Jews and includes any African descent black Jewish without prejudice. In my 25 years congregating with them between 1986 and 2011 not once ever did I hear a Continental nor Caribbe claim to be an American Negro or their people as American Negroes.
Continentals and Caribbes in the USA hail from self-ruled majority black nations and freely chose to immigrate to America. American Negroes aren't immigrants to the USA. They are freedmen whose greatest proportion of ancestry was transported against their free will, powerless to prevent it.
American Negroes have an identity crisis evinced by their change of ethnic label every few generations. In the 1960s they began a new stage of identity flux from 3rd World Revolution and Pan-African notions where they were the only ones not thinking ME FIRST or that nationality doesn't delineate differences.
Caribbe-Americans have a card hand they call West Indies landlord and Black American tenants. What does this demic reality mean re red-lining reparations?
In conversations with yte Ameicans, West Africans have called American Negroes stupid slaves behind their backs. This behind yte America not applying Jim Crow to the blackest African. Then the once notorious term akata but the ones who loosely slung the word today are somehow the USA Black WildCats too now?
Then the USA ytes introduced 'minority' as American Negro identity and continued pouring acid on American Negro identity until today many American Negroes have graduated from being Coloured People to being People of Color which includes everybody but some ytes as certain Ashkenazi are claiming to be of Color cos of Adolf n them.
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Only American Negroes are American Negroes born and bred in the continental United States from West Central & SE African, various European, and American Indian stocks. They have no mother tongue other than non-patois non-criole American English (and so-called Ebonics whose lexicon is slang). The only country 'back home' they'd send MoneyGrams to would be down south.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber:
And yes, the FBI or CIA have used Black people, in particularly of immigrant background to undermine Black Americans (ADOS).
Are you ADOS ?
Not all black people in America are ADOS
This term is becoming some sort of status symbol now. It's like "we're ADOS. We're getting our reparations soon. You other black people, we like you but don't come in here trying to get a piece of this pie, go get your Caricom, ADOS is our thing"
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Spoken position caricature from a yte person's perspective who's never lived even 24 hrs among American Negroes.
Capital B Black Americans are American Negroes. They adopted Black as their ethnic identity not merely a racial one.
Small b black Americans should properly be used for blacks from where ever, Melanesia even, who are American citizens.
All these blacks have a separate ethnic/national identity beyond the color/race label 'black'. Not Black Americans. They and most 'New World' blacks were stripped of language faith and name. These others are and many call themselves * Jamaican American (born Jamerican) * Senegalese American or Mauritanian American (no intentions of ever going back to Africa) or don't add American as a 'last-name' to their home nationality 'first name' * Bajan * Trini * Nigerian This type frequently hops back and forth between the USA and back home. Citizens or not they don't consider America home more than a (temporary) economic opportunity.
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Video shows suspect punch Asian 7-Eleven worker in apparent hate crime
quote:New surveillance footage shows the moment an unhinged suspect slugged an Asian 7-Eleven worker in Manhattan in an apparent hate crime.
The 26-year-old Asian victim was working at the convenience store on Eighth Avenue near West 39th Street, shortly before 6 a.m. Saturday when his attacker stormed in without a mask and repeatedly socked him in the face, according to cops.
Video released late Thursday shows the suspect punching the victim, stepping back slightly, but then appearing to go in for another attack before the clip cuts out.
“You Chinese motherf—er!” the suspect snarled during the attack, cops said.
Cops said the victim, who suffered a cut under his left eye, had previously confronted the suspect after he allegedly tried to steal merchandise.
Police initially said the assault was not being classified as a hate crime because the attack was over “a previous larceny and dispute,” but later confirmed that it was being investigated as a bias crime.
The summary below was written by the Congressional Research Service, which is a nonpartisan division of the Library of Congress, and was published on Mar 23, 2021.
COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act
This bill requires a designated officer or employee of the Department of Justice (DOJ) to facilitate the expedited review of COVID-19 (i.e., coronavirus disease 2019) hate crimes and reports of COVID-19 hate crimes.
It defines COVID-19 hate crime as a violent crime that is motivated by two things:
(1) the actual or perceived characteristic (e.g., race or ethnicity) of any person, and
(2) the actual or perceived relationship to the spread of COVID-19 of any person because of that characteristic.
The bill requires DOJ to issue guidance for state and local law enforcement agencies on how to establish online hate crime reporting processes in multiple languages and how to expand culturally competent education campaigns. Additionally, DOJ and the Department of Health and Human Services must issue guidance on best practices for mitigating racially discriminatory language in describing the COVID-19 pandemic. ___________________________
Do you think this attack on Asians, has anything to do with the pandemic and people losing family and friends?
Of course it’s strange to attack random Asian people.
There are already crazy people who to attack people randomly for no reason or for some insane mentally ill idea. If somebody looks weak and old they make an easier target. If they don't speak English well, that is also a better target because they might not report the crime or have trouble describing details.
Add to this a virus from China and fear about getting the virus. So some people think Chinese people are spreading it. So crazy people who already were on the verge of attacking people see this as justified, that Chinese people are the enemy
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Do you think this attack on Asians, has anything to do with the pandemic and people losing family and friends?
Of course it’s strange to attack random Asian people.
There are already crazy people who to attack people randomly for no reason or for some insane mentally ill idea. If somebody looks weak and old they make an easier target. If they don't speak English well, that is also a better target because they might not report the crime or have trouble describing details.
Add to this a virus from China and fear about getting the virus. So some people think Chinese people are spreading it. So crazy people who already were on the verge of attacking people see this as justified, that Chinese people are the enemy
Just found this article by Time Magazine …, but what's confusing is that Black Americans exponentially stil are more targeted. What can be the cause for that?
quote:The rise in hate crimes targeting Asian communities is global, with increased reports coming from Canada, and a number of cases involving anti-Asian discrimination and xenophobia reported by Human Rights Watch in Italy, Russia and Brazil last summer. In New Zealand, research by the New Zealand Human Rights Commission released last month found that 54% of Chinese respondents had experienced discrimination since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, and 55% of Māori respondents had also faced discrimination since the start of the pandemic.
U.K. police data suggests a rise of 300% in hate crimes toward Chinese, East and South East Asians in the first quarter of 2020 compared to the same period in 2018 and 2019. Over the past year in the U.K., Chinese takeaway owners have reported being spat at and attacked, nurses of ESEA heritage working in the National Health Services have reported incidents of racial abuse from patients, and people of ESEA descent have been victims of violent and racially aggravated street attacks.
Just found this article by Time Magazine …, but what's confusing is that Black Americans exponentially stil are more targeted. What can be the cause for that?
quote: ‘This Isn't Just a Problem for North America.' The Atlanta Shooting Highlights the Painful Reality of Rising Anti-Asian Violence Around the World
The rise in hate crimes targeting Asian communities is global, with increased reports coming from Canada, and a number of cases involving anti-Asian discrimination and xenophobia reported by Human Rights Watch in Italy, Russia and Brazil last summer. In New Zealand, research by the New Zealand Human Rights Commission released last month found that 54% of Chinese respondents had experienced discrimination since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, and 55% of Māori respondents had also faced discrimination since the start of the pandemic.
U.K. police data suggests a rise of 300% in hate crimes toward Chinese, East and South East Asians in the first quarter of 2020 compared to the same period in 2018 and 2019. Over the past year in the U.K., Chinese takeaway owners have reported being spat at and attacked, nurses of ESEA heritage working in the National Health Services have reported incidents of racial abuse from patients, and people of ESEA descent have been victims of violent and racially aggravated street attacks.
The reason for the article is that there has been a recent rise in attacks on Chinese people and it is thought to related to the pandemic.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The reason for the article is that there has been a recent rise in attacks on Chinese people and it is thought to related to the pandemic.
Yes, as I said previously. Could it be a lot of people are upset with the spread of Covid-19. I heard that this anti-Asian and in particularly hate against Chinese is increasing in Europe. It's not in all countries, but only certain countries. Certainly these folks already had hate in them, with or without Covid-19.
The correlation is that these countries have a fascist history and have high death tolls due to Covid-19. A dangerous mixture.
Here are some articles.
quote:The virus has no nationality’: Asians in France protest against hate crime
Rising anti-Asian violence is a problem not only in the US, where incidents of racial violence have been growing amid the pandemic. Reports of violence and verbal abuse against ethnic Asians have also been increasing across Europe, including in the UK, Germany and Italy. In France, several dozen people gathered on March 24, 2021, outside a Paris court where five men were being tried for alleged online incitement of violence against Asians.
quote: Government leaders and senior officials in some instances have directly or indirectly encouraged hate crimes, racism, or xenophobia by using anti-Chinese rhetoric. Several political parties and groups, including in the United States, United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Greece, France, and Germany have also latched onto the Covid-19 crisis to advance anti-immigrant, white supremacist, ultra-nationalist, anti-semitic, and xenophobic conspiracy theories that demonize refugees, foreigners, prominent individuals, and political leaders.
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