Its proven that Abraham Lincoln was a Blackest man and his features is even said from Abraham to be Black.
Heres a picture of Abraham lincoln that people have shown shows him as Blackest.
[ 18. April 2022, 12:07 PM: Message edited by: the lioness, ]
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
You can google Black Abraham Lincoln picture on google and see the diffrent pictures.
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
Interesting,the brotha's feature set is thinner in terms of the narrowest of the face,his eyes aren't recessed and a bit closer to each other,on top of a slimmer nose. I'm surprised he's Liberian,his look is more akin to Somalis,Ethiopians and similar type Africans to Somalis.
Posted by Antalas (Member # 23506) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thereal: Interesting,the brotha's feature set is thinner in terms of the narrowest of the face,his eyes aren't recessed and a bit closer to each other,on top of a slimmer nose. I'm surprised he's Liberian,his look is more akin to Somalis,Ethiopians and similar type Africans to Somalis.
Liberia was built for afro-americans therefore he probably had european admixture that's why
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
The image isn't that clear and his nose bridge is high but it doesn't look like a European nose. What you said is rather silly,Bantu speakers can and do have high bridges.
Posted by Antalas (Member # 23506) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thereal: The image isn't that clear and his nose bridge is high but it doesn't look like a European nose. What you said is rather silly,Bantu speakers can and do have high bridges.
having some european admixture won't make someone automatically fully european facially but it will most certainly affects its phenotype
here see in comparison these liberians :
Just accept the fact that some features aren't present everywhere in Africa.
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
That is a snapshot of a particular people and not some average of nose hight or size. Please don't be ridiculous.
Posted by Antalas (Member # 23506) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thereal: That is a snapshot of a particular people and not some average of nose hight or size. Please don't be ridiculous.
alright go ahead and find me a west african crowd with caucasoid features
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
What are you talking about? I referring to having a high or high-ish bridge not whether the nose juts out like a European.
Syvlain Distin.
Kevin Constant from Guinea.
Alexandra Burke from Jamaica.
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
I got the info here. When I first saw Kevin I was wondering where is he from.
@thereal none of the people you posted are fully west african they all have european admixture
Posted by Antalas (Member # 23506) on :
the level of delusion is crazy ready to cherrypick anything in order to claim "we come in all shades and color" just stop its pathetic some features are induced by mutations that did not appear in africa.
I live among west africans here meanwhile you're only surrounded by mixed afro-americans so you clearly don't really know how west africans really look.
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
quote:Originally posted by Antalas: @thereal none of the people you posted are fully west african they all have european admixture
You know this how? Also,caucasoid means like a Caucasian that doesn't entail the phenotype has to be 1:1.
Posted by Antalas (Member # 23506) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thereal:
quote:Originally posted by Antalas: @thereal none of the people you posted are fully west african they all have european admixture
You know this how? Also,caucasoid means like a Caucasian that doesn't entail the phenotype has to be 1:1.
first two are known where I live and the black carribeans like jamaicans have european admixture
the only people in all west africa who have somewhat thin features are fulanis but that's not surprising since they have north african ancestry.
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
Only certain famous people put out clear information on their background. Others keep it more private or vague and in some cases might not even know certain details.
You aren't making sense,your are implying just because they look non stereotypical that it's a sign of admixture,which wasn't what I initially post.
It's not like they guys are Kevin and Jerome Boateng Pierre-Emerick Aubamayeng.
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
West,East,North Africa are regions that doesn't really describe phenotype. Arab is a culture with Afro-Arabs and India is a sub-continent that houses a lot of groups with various phenotypes. Why are you being incredulous with certain African people?
Posted by Antalas (Member # 23506) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thereal: Only certain famous people put out clear information on their background. Others keep it more private or vague and in some cases might not even know certain details.
You aren't making sense,your are implying just because they look non stereotypical that it's a sign of admixture,which wasn't what I initially post.
It's not like they guys are Kevin and Jerome Boateng Pierre-Emerick Aubamayeng.
one is literally from the antilles and the other one is half french just stop pls
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
And? France has Black folks,how do you know the guys aren't ethically mixed? You made the whole conversation about race which I didn't. Are you obsessed over your "purity?" Because it's weird you seem to know who's mixed by looks which isn't always accurate.
Posted by Antalas (Member # 23506) on :
??? go read about the genetic landscape of the antilles these people have french ancestry that has already been proven many times and it's physically visible. Why do you force like this ? Is there something you don't like about typical west african phenotypes ? What's next ? Posting these melanesian kids to prove that "black" people can have blond hair ?
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
I don't doubt that but how much ancestry does a West African need to receive to have a Euro type nose? Does the ancestry need to be direct? Also,what about the French who have a mulatto partner? Does their theoretical offspring loose all West African traits to never appear down the generations?
Posted by Antalas (Member # 23506) on :
quote:Originally posted by Thereal: I don't doubt that but how much ancestry does a West African need to receive to have a Euro type nose? Does the ancestry need to be direct? Also,what about the French who have a mulatto partner? Does their theoretical offspring loose all West African traits to never appear down the generations?
No they won't necessarily lose all the SSA traits and sometimes it can even appear after multiple generations that's why you have many individuals who look facially fully eurasian but can have afro/kinky type of hair or everted lips.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
It says that he is Abraham Lincoln
And this is Sojourner Truth with the unidentified white man who is the false Abraham lincoln standing while she sits
Let an African, Asian, or American vary from the extreme stereotype conquerors allotted them and polygeneticists, and even some people who should know better, will declare them mixed.
Let a European not have * long pointy nose with slit nostrils * paper thin fleshless lips * straight up and down so-called orthognathic profile * flop down long thin hair and they remain pure white European caucasian, though not from the Caucasus.
Let an African not have * short broad nose with round nostrils * thick everted "soup cooler" lips * jutting prognathic face * tight woolly/'coilly' 1/4 inch short hair and they are deemed mixed blood African impure negroes.
Ain't nobody going for that illogical mess except mostly whites, some racists, and their subservient negro yes men, whether claiming to be scientists or not.
They invented the true negro but forgot all about the true blanco. What's up with that? No sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander?
This why Dixon(1923) lists his Proto-Negroids for all continents including Oceania but neglects to do the very same for Europe. His Europe chapter however does reveal everywhere a Proto-Negroid cranio-facial type is. Dixon's work was relegated to the discard heap of physical anthropology.
If interested I can post all Dixon excerpts of Proto-Negroid Europeans, a dismay to the purity-of-my-people kinda racists.
Originally, Ethiopian was the geography based term for an African black since used by the earliest racial anthropologists no different than their Greco-Latin ancestors called the ancient Sudanis and all 'non-Libyan' Africans, as well as the blacks of Asia. Ethiopia is IndoEuropean for Kush. In modern Hebrew kushi means nigger. How do Israeli anti-blacks reconcile that with Tanakh, Josephus, and Talmudh?
With slavery and the Napoleonic expedition etc the negro was invented. Anthroplogy's negro (a black item) replaced Ethiopian (ethnonym/nisbe) after people became chattel. It wouldn't do for the enslaved and the colonized to be seen as creators of an ancient civilization or creators of any civilization of their own. Not to mention conquerors of an Egypt ruled by nationals proud of their Meshwesh-ity.
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
Yes,post if it's not any trouble for you.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
I am not saying it lied because what it says is that he is Abraham Lincoln changing the writing around does not refute this.
Look at sojourner truth sitting with the false abraham lincoln standing. It shows that she is dominanant over the false abraham lincoln
That links to the Abraham lincoln picture because that Black guy resembles the false abraham lincoln while still looking as Abraham Lincoln as he gets. Also John Hanson is sitting regal and dressed well how is he a slave if they have the real life picture of the Blackest John Hanson how do they show a white man and claim his picture is John Hanson.
Lioness you believe everything the lying white people tell you?
Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
Extremely silly thread. Take a look into the archival material about Abraham Lincoln and you can see with your own eyes that he was not black. Who invents these low brow, silly stories? And who is retarded enough to believe in them? SMH
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Extremely silly thread. Take a look into the archival material about Abraham Lincoln and you can see with your own eyes that he was not black. Who invents these low brow, silly stories? And who is retarded enough to believe in them? SMH
The nerves got to you huh Archeoptèryx . No matter what people say the Blackest Abraham Lincoln looks like the white Abraham Lincoln except the Blackest Abraham Lincoln is not standing to blackest sojourner truth who is sitting while the white abraham lincoln is standing
Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
Well, instead of showing a simple photo, show me archival material, peer reviewed studies, biographical books and other serious material which proves that Abraham Lincoln was black. How much archival studies have you done in this matter? How many biographical books have you read? How many peer reviewed articles and scholarly books have you read? You make an extraordinary claim, which as you know requires extraordinary proof and evidence. When you have done your studies, and still maintain your story, then I suggest you write a scholarly article and send it to a serious scholarly journal dedicated to American history.
Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
Seems like this thread is just a troll thread.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Archeopteryx
It seems you do not understand that we have photographic proof that Abraham lincoln is Black theres no way that the picture would show a slave from the library of congress
Nothing needs to be peer reviewed black Abraham Lincoln has been said also on pinterest.
Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
Haha, there is not a shred of evidence that Abraham Lincoln was black. Stop trolling.
Pinterest? That is hardly a peer reviewed journal; hahaha, now I know that you are trolling.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
So Walt Whitman says Abraham Lincoln face is dark brown, a person who saw Abraham Lincoln first person.
Knockout ha ha
Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
People in that time were not politically correct (according to our standard), if Abraham Lincoln really had been black like the guy in the picture they would have described him as a "negro", not only as having dark complexion or dark skin. Some of his political adversaries tried to spread some rumours about his unusual devotion for black people, but the rumours could of course not be confirmed. Seems some of these myths have lived on to this day, especially among some blackcentrists, who want to paint all famous historical persons black.
We have many pictures of him at different ages, we have pictures of his father, and his son and other relatives, yes there are even relatives to him who live today.
Remember those who took photos of him are also eye witnesses who actually saw him, and depicted him.
As stated there is not a shred of evidence that Abraham Lincoln was black, or that the portrait of an unknown black man should be Lincoln. The idea is just preposterous.
I still think this is a troll thread, no one can really be so stupid that he thinks that the black man on the portrait King posted is the real Abraham Lincoln.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
A pamphlet I used to vend last millenium in the early 1980s
So Walt Whitman says Abraham Lincoln face is dark brown, a person who saw Abraham Lincoln first person.
Knockout ha ha
Archeopetryx
Hey why dont you listen to Lincolnian . Org who showed that Walt Whitman said that Abraham Lincoln had a dark brown face.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: Tukuler
Hey Tukuler love to see a King type respond to this about Abraham Lincoln i realize your expert opinion has proven that Abraham Lincoln is Black.
What do you think of walt whitman who said Abraham Lincoln had a dark brown face?
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Hi King
I don't doubt any contemporaneous eye witnesses. Thing is I don't know what "white" people mean by BROWN. Nothing in its current color or racial usage has anything to do with the color of the obviously brown crayon. The way they use color is crazy. Except for the NW and far north Euros, who have extremely pale damn near white skin as a rule, Europeans are pink to lightest beige.
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Just for the sake of clarity my opinion does not favor a Black Abraham Lincoln. That Roger's pamphlet also points out a one-drop type coloured (only the USA has a population of "white" people they shunt off into a coloured/negro category) won a Lincoln look alike contest.
But I guess if an American who's phenotypically "white" can be a social Black ... ?
During America's slavery era slavers would sell a "white" European born person into slavery as a black coloured negro. As the African origin enslaved had absolutely no power or authority what could they do but accept people less than even 50% African origin as part of their ethnic group's breeding pool?
The American Freedmen (the Americans freed from slavery no matter continental origins) are all given Black status because the slavery was supposed to be relegated to African blacks only.
Of course whenever possible the vast majority of predominantly European "white" ancestry freedmen naturally took their place back in "white" society where they belong. Passing is BS. People who look like and are overwhelmingly majority European are not black people in my opinion. Accepting their right to self-determination they may classify themselves as they please. "White" off-"white" and near "white" persons have contributed to ADOS society. Many early 20th century ADOS organizations were stocked with them, especially at the top levels. Isn't it funny how today some Ashkenazi want to claim people of colour benefits but none of them belonged to the NAACP even though two "white" Jews founded it.
As a redblack I know precisely what a black person is but honestly I'm clueless as to what a "white" is? Only post 19th century European immigrants are about assuredly "white". "White" settler peoples were at first without "white" mates/spouses. Nearly all the old settler males took on indigenee "wives". Funny American sociology never refers to their further inter-marrying offspring as coloured due to no matter how many drops of non-European blood.
Posted by Thereal (Member # 22452) on :
What's a redblack?
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
It seems Walt Whitman saw Abraham Lincoln first hand, and stated that Abraham Lincoln face was dark brown meaning Black
Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
Here are some photos. If this is not Abraham Lincoln who is it then?
Abraham Lincoln 1846
Abraham Lincoln 1848
Abraham Lincoln 1858
Abraham Lincoln with his son
There are more photos of him but I´ll start with these
Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
Abraham's mother may have had Melungeon ancestry
quote:Melungeons (/məˈlʌndʒənz/ mə-LUN-jənz) are an ethnic group of people from the Southeastern United States who descend from European and sub-Saharan Africans brought to America as indentured servants. This was in the mid-17th century before slavery and an example of early race-mixing.[1] Historically, the Melungeons were associated with settlements in the Cumberland Gap area of central Appalachia, which includes portions of East Tennessee, Southwest Virginia, and eastern Kentucky. Tri-racial describes populations who claim to be of mixed European, African and Native American ancestry. Although there is no consensus on how many such groups exist, estimates range as high as 200
Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
Seems his mothers family history is a bit fuzzy
quote: Although no documentation has been found to identify Nancy Hanks' parents, there were two main theories about the identity of Nancy's mother:
One popular theory among historians and genealogists is that she was the illegitimate daughter of Lucy Hanks, who married Henry Sparrow in 1790 in Mercer County, Kentucky. This theory has been proved using mitochondrial DNA obtained from descendants of Lucy Hanks Sparrow and mtDNA of descendants of daughters of Ann (Lee) Hanks, wife of Joseph Hanks of Nelson County, Kentucky which all match.
Information from the Shipley and Berry families, as well as some historical sites, claim that Nancy's mother was Lucy or Lucey Shipley, sister to Rachel Shipley Berry. This theory has been disproved by the same mtDNA study.
Wasn't Lincoln still somewhat racist toward Black people despite opposing slavery? I recall he was against Black and White people living as equals in US society and instead wanted to repatriate African-Americans to Africa after the abolition of slavery. That would have made him a moderate on racial issues back in the 19th century.
Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
Abraham Lincoln 1864
Abraham Lincoln 1865
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
[QUOTE] Rumors spread that Abraham Lincoln was Black even before he was elected president and have persisted for over 150 years — but is there any truth to them?/QUOTE]
So Walt Whitman says Abraham Lincoln face is dark brown, a person who saw Abraham Lincoln first person.
Knockout ha ha
Archeopetryx
Hey why dont you listen to Lincolnian . Org who showed that Walt Whitman said that Abraham Lincoln had a dark brown face. Thats the thing Archeopetryx he seemed to realize Sojourner truth aĺßo ßo i would not deny he is a slave caste or related to the real Abraham Lincoln
Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
Abraham Lincoln 1859
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Correction the white Abraham lincoln maybe of slave caste.
My words is being twisted.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
So Walt Whitman says Abraham Lincoln face is dark brown, a person who saw Abraham Lincoln first person.
Knockout ha ha
Archeopetryx
Hey why dont you listen to Lincolnian . Org who showed that Walt Whitman said that Abraham Lincoln had a dark brown face.
Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
Abraham Lincoln in 1846
Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: A pamphlet I used to vend last millenium in the early 1980s
Abraham Lincoln & His Moorish Links 14,440 views Jun 17, 2021 This chapter of "You Are Not Black" deals with curious links between Abraham Lincoln, Moors, and a peculiar drawing of Lincoln.…
A discussion of this drawing of Abe as a MOOR by a German sympathizer of the Confederacy
Posted by Yatunde Lisa (Member # 22253) on :
Tom Hanks is a distant relative of Abe's Mom Ms. Hanks.. pretty sure that Tom hanks is a known to have melungeon ancestry
George Clooney is Lincoln’s half-first cousin 5 times removed. Tom Hanks is Lincoln’s 3rd cousin 4 times removed.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING: Correction the white Abraham lincoln maybe of slave caste.
My words is being twisted.
Are you saying there are two separate Abraham Lincolns, one white and another black?
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by KING: Correction the white Abraham lincoln maybe of slave caste.
My words is being twisted.
Are you saying there are two separate Abraham Lincolns, one white and another black?
No lioness what I am saying is that there is people who tried to make Abraham lincoln white with claims from that man we thought was Abraham Lincoln. The real Abraham Lincoln has a dark brown face like what walt Whitman said
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
So Walt Whitman says Abraham Lincoln face is dark brown, a person who saw Abraham Lincoln first person.
Knockout ha ha
Archeopetryx
Hey why dont you listen to Lincolnian . Org who showed that Walt Whitman said that Abraham Lincoln had a dark brown face.
Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
Have you no more pictures of your alleged black Lincoln? Have you no pictures of his father or mother, or grandfather, or children or cousins?
In the mean time I post pictures of the real Abraham Lincoln.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by KING:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by KING: Correction the white Abraham lincoln maybe of slave caste.
My words is being twisted.
Are you saying there are two separate Abraham Lincolns, one white and another black?
No lioness what I am saying is that there is people who tried to make Abraham lincoln white with claims from that man we thought was Abraham Lincoln. The real Abraham Lincoln has a dark brown face like what walt Whitman said
He looks a bit dark here Do you think this is Abraham Lincoln and Walt Whitman meant something like "He's dark for a white person, he tans easily and his skin turns brown"
Or do you think Abraham Lincoln was not this man above but an entirely different person?
Posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey (Member # 22253) on :
Joe Manganiello, just found out from Skip Gates program about ancestry that he is not Italian at all and his Grandfather was a mixed race black man.
Ryan Giggs Welsh Footballer Grandfather was a African man from Sierra Leonne
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Have you no more pictures of your alleged black Lincoln? Have you no pictures of his father or mother, or grandfather, or children or cousins?
In the mean time I post pictures of the real Abraham Lincoln.
I dont need any other picture of Abraham Lincoln because what Walt Whitman says is what matters.and that is the face of Abraham Lincoln is dark brown
Posted by Archeopteryx (Member # 23193) on :
Hehe, your reasoning would not hold up in a court, or in a scientific article
Picture of the real Abraham Lincoln from 1858
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Hehe, your reasoning would not hold up in a court, or in a scientific article
Picture of the real Abraham Lincoln from 1858, lines in the forehead showing, etc
A few posts back I just posted a better quality version of that same Byers 1858 photo
So Walt Whitman says Abraham Lincoln face is dark brown, a person who saw Abraham Lincoln first person.
Knockout ha ha
Archeopetryx
Hey why dont you listen to Lincolnian . Org who showed that Walt Whitman said that Abraham Lincoln had a dark brown face.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
He looks a bit dark here Do you think this is Abraham Lincoln and Walt Whitman meant something like "He's dark for a white person, he tans easily and his skin turns brown"
Or do you think Abraham Lincoln was an entirely different person not this man above and Walt Whitman was not talking about this person?
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
So Walt Whitman says Abraham Lincoln face is dark brown, a person who saw Abraham Lincoln first person.
Hey why dont you listen to Lincolnian . Org who showed that Walt Whitman said that Abraham Lincoln had a dark brown face. [/qb][/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
Linoclonian .org is the website theres no such thing as dark for a white guy people know what they is talking about
