A: Before 9/11, Afganistan and Iraq invasions/occupations:
The country where you can make a living in as long as you are as competitive as the Americans, the land that can offer you, regardless of race/nationality/religion, the opportunity to show your genuine excellence/intelligence and let you have the position that you deserve. The vast North American continent from coast to coast with almost everywhere everything in both a large and luxorious scale (upon visiting nearly 25 States not from the Am Propaganda texts).

B After Invasion/occupation of Iraq:
Whenever I see the (stars&stripes) I feel threatened, a mighty power, I dont know how was offering its leadership to religous fanatics, and this power considered my religion Islam and consequently the Moslems as the Enemy. A mighty power that decided to get the colonial ages to a revival. A mighty power that apparently could be unsure of its excellence in Science and Technology or feeling an inevitable descending trend in the output of its intelligencia! So, the mighty power in an emotinal move decided to Conquest the Lands of Islam - the weakest political/economical systems on this planet by the Apatchi and F-15 & F-16 war planes wishing to manipulate or manage it better than the present governing systerms and this has been by killing people and massdestruction of the infrastructure!
I am threatened that this mighty power has decided to tell me what is acceptable in our Holy Book the Quran and what is not unacceptable and will be ommitted! This mighty power will let the Israelis enter our country and kill our briliant scientists as they do now in Iraq. I myself might be killed by either the Israelis or the Americans as will be considered an intellectual insurgent refusing occupation by using the power of writing articles in Newpapers or threads in ES Forum!
Please don't say SS got a sun burn in his brain while he was stretching on the West Coast beach. The Eastern side of our borders witness anything everything except reason and rationale. Two mighty powers came to a conclusion that by Guns and Torture the Mideast will submit to their will!
Wrong and a Stupid Ideology, period.

Well Ladies and Gentleman,
That was what the (Stars&Stripes) used to mean to me, and how it means to me Now.
What do you think?
Salam
Yours: ScienceSailor

SS, I really can't stand any of your posts. Not anyone! And I needed to tell you that.

You are really trying to poison this forum with your ANTI-AMERICAN bla-bla stories.

And guess what? My husband is an American and my children are half-Americans!

And you hate Americans????? All Americans????

Poor you of having the chance as an Egyptian to come and get education in the US, most of the Egyptians never get that chance of studying, living and working overseas in their whole life!

You even mentioned you work for an American company back in Cairo, right? Why don't you tell your big boss what do you really think of him?

Because you can't, your poor little old man, because these people make your and your wife's living!

Stop blaming and black-marking the US and all citizen for everything. Get a grip!

Have you ever been in person to Afghanistan before Oct 2001 or even to Iraq before Mar 2003? Guess not or you would know how the living standard of most people was......

Stop your BS - SS - or go onto another board.

One more question though I asked myself. Your wording "I hate the American Policy in the Mideast. Up to when I would manage control? Not long." is still ringing in my ears.

So if you can't control yourself anymore WHAT will you do. WHAT WILL YOU DO??????

To ALL here:

I really really don't know whats going on here on that forum. This forum is about Egypt, about its people, culture, tourism, history etc.

I really love this country, I spent there over 1200 days and nights. I appreciated people's friendlyness and helpfullness. But within the last two months I read so much bad stuff and everything was about US politics in Iraq!

My husband and my little lovely children are US citizens and we are really trying to come back to your country to live there. We appreciate you guys, your culture, we have so many wonderful memories of Cairo and other areas inside Egypt.

But I don't want to feel hatred and unsafe in Egypt, no I don't even want to come anymore than on holidays ...........

PS: SS, no need to reply. I told you that once before.

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Originally posted by Tigerlily:

My husband and my little lovely children are US citizens and we are really trying to come back to your country to live there. We appreciate you guys, your culture, we have so many wonderful memories of Cairo and other areas inside Egypt.

But I don't want to feel hatred and unsafe in Egypt, no I don't even want to come anymore than on holidays ...........

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You will not be unsafe in Egypt, wether you are an American Citizen or else...You know it..

People vent on the internet....Egyptians about Americans and others about others... between work and other responsibilities...but does it mean that people will bother you in Egypt ...NOT!

Forums have ups and downs ~ you know it!

Thanks, Monica, but I am inside torn apart about all the political developments lately and whether it was the right thing to do for the US to go to war in Iraq or not - I feel very unsafe for the life of my husband, my children.

During my long stay in Egypt I never ever experienced this hate of Egyptians towards another race. Sometimes I heard bad stuff against Jewish people. I really didn't want to join in since I don't know many Jewish people, I don't have anything against Jewish and remember what my own country did to them........

But maybe politics weren't one of the issues I would discuss with Egyptians.

I really don't know, Monica, it is very frustrating and frightening to me. Maybe I am also watching too much TV.

Egyptians adore children...so they will be really nice to yours, you'll see...!!!

Happy Holidays!!!

My daughter, who is now 5, speaks a little arabic and I got offered many camels already for her!

She has been the first time to Cairo when she was 7.5 weeks old, altogether she visited Egypt a good 6 times! She looks a little like Egyptian herself, well actually she has more Latina in her.

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Originally posted by Tigerlily:

Thanks, Monica, but I am inside torn apart about all the political developments lately and whether it was the right thing to do for the US to go to war in Iraq or not -

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Originally posted by sciencesailor:

PS. Yes, uptill this moment, I am controlling/withholding saying it: I Hate America. Up till this very moment I say it; I hate the American Policy in the Mideast. Up to when I would manage control? Not long.

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Originally posted by homesick2:
All those wacky people who find this Post strange, you would be amazed at how many Egyptians share exactly the same views.
Tigerlilly, next time you're in Egypt discuss (if you know enough arabic)politics and US policy with ordinary average Egyptians and I gaurantee you will never go back their again.

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Everage Egyptians are not that ordinary like you are. Because you don't like anything and you are always looking to stir up trouble. You one of these people I wouldn't even look at neither discuss anything with them.

Take it easy and enjoy the day whereever you are.

Everyone has a great weekend!

PS: Just adopted a new doggie!!!!!

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Originally posted by Undead:
You got offered camels for your daughter?

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Not to worry, Undead, its all a joke. I got offers for my little daughter already for marriage (its like I think about THAT already!!!)

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Originally posted by Tigerlily:
Everage Egyptians are not that ordinary like you are. Because you don't like anything and you are always looking to stir up trouble. You one of these people I wouldn't even look at neither discuss anything with them.

Take it easy and enjoy the day whereever you are.

Everyone has a great weekend!

PS: Just adopted a new doggie!!!!!

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Good, go ahead burry your head in the sand a little more and keep wondering "whether it was the right thing to do for the US to go to war in Iraq or not "

you seem to feel quite "jammed" by "imperialistic yankees" at times. Here is some politically colored humor for you to get a bit fresher perspective on "yankees" and American public opinion of the current US govt and its policy in some cirlces:

As the President is getting off the helicopter in front of the White House,
he is carrying a baby pig under each arm. The Marine guard snaps to attention, salutes, and says: "Nice pigs, sir."

The President replies: "These are not pigs, these are authentic Texan Razorback Hogs. I got one for VP Cheney, and I got one for Defense Secretary Rumsfeld."

The Marine again snaps to attention, salutes, and replies, "Nice trade, sir."

Have a good laugh and relax. Here at least some people do think about a big picture too, understand and know quite a bit. Yet, here is some more campaign slogans in satirical colors:

Bush/Cheney '04: Compassionate Colonialism
Bush/Cheney '04: Because the truth just isn't good enough.
Bush/Cheney '04: Four More Wars! Bush/Cheney '04: In your heart, you know they're technically correct. Bush/Cheney '04: Putting the "con" in conservatism
Bush/Cheney '04: Thanks for not paying attention.
Bush/Cheney '04: The last vote you'll ever have to cast.
Bush/Cheney '04: Asses of Evil

Bush/Cheney '04: Don't think. Vote Bush!

Bush/Cheney '04: Apocalypse Now!

Bush/Cheney '04: Deja-voodoo all over again!
Bush/Cheney '04: Leave no billionaire behind
Bush/Cheney '04: Lies and videotape but no sex!
Bush/Cheney '04: Or else.
Bush/Cheney '04: The economy's stupid!

Bush/Cheney '04: This time, elect us!

Bush/Cheney '04: We're Gooder!
Bush/Cheney: 1984 Now
George W. Bush: Leadership without a doubt
George W. Bush: The buck stops Over There
George W. Bush: A brainwave away from the presidency
George W. Bush: It takes a village idiot
George W. Bush: Let them eat yellowcake! Vote Bush!
Vote Bush in '04: "I Has Incumbentory Advantitude"
Vote Bush in '04: "Because every vote counts -- for me!"
Vote Bush in '04: "Because I'm the President, that's why!"
Vote Bush in '04: Because dictatorship is easier.
Vote Bush in '04: It's a no-brainer!

Sciencesailor, believe me, a lot of people do not support "imperialistic" US policy and look forward to the leadership change in November. KAT

Wish you all a goodnight and have a nice weekend.

I wrote something like:

stripes, stars, prints or else, falaoona welad el eih......
And then decided that was not a very productive post...

About El Ahly...

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Originally posted by sciencesailor:
Yes the above link worked:
<www.alwafd.org>
my memory is OK.

Ms. Monica
Please, would you give me a hint about what was deleted in the above post of yours. Whatever you write in my threads is important to me. Thanks in advance.
Salam
Yours: ScienceSailor
PS. Didn't watch Ahly vs Zamalik last game, I predicted the defeat of Ahly and decided to save myself more depressing feelings to the above.

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Originally posted by dajjal:
I am sick of all this bull **** about America going to free Iraq and Afghanistan. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out that the freedom part was a benevolent consequence and not the real reason those wars were carried out. So shut up with that crap, America is not as generous as some of you are trying to portray it.
And my views of America has also changed since the wars and it has definitely lost respect from most of the middle eastern nations except for Israel who the US don't feel are a threat with their large arsenal of WMD's. USA operates with double standards.
What's even more sick is the recent news released of how Iraqi women were raped, men tortured and humiliated at the hands of these 'liberators'. And those if you who say it was carried out by military officials must not forget that those young soldiers were regular civilians hanging out with normal American citizens, went through the same schools, played the same sports etc. So they pretty much sum up the average American and the views they hold. Anyone who has morals will not have them changed with a few months of military training, which goes to show those soldiers would have treated the Iraqis the way they did even if they were back in the US as ordinary citizens.
America is the land of arrogance and ignorance, not the land of the free.

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I was and I still am morified by the brutal treatment and humilation that the POW faced at the hands of the US military in Iraq. But bear in mind it was the Washington Post that broke the story, I would say most Americans are appalled by the behaviour of those military personnel responsible for the inhumane way they treated the POW. They deposed of Saddam because of how he treated his people with no dignity, in the same breathe the military is doing the exact same thing. It boggles the mind as to the double standards. I think it is all about power, really frightening stuff.

Do take care
Dreamcatcher

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Originally posted by dajjal:
I am sick of all this bull **** about America freeing Afghanistan and Iraq. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the freedom of those nations was a benevolent consequence and wars were not carried out for that purpose. It was more of a war motivated by the self interest of the US. The plight of people in other parts of the world is just as bad if not worst and the US turns a blind eye to it as it will not benefit the US by doing anything in those places.
My views also have drastically changed about Americans since the wars. One must not forget the fact that those sick acts of rape against female Iraqi detainees, and humiliation,torture and murder of Iraqi male detainees were carried out by soldiers who a few months back were in college or just an ordinary citizen in the US. So it pretty much sums up the way the average Americans perceive arabs. I don't want to even jump to the double standards the US operates with when dealing with Israel, we all know the large arsenal of WMD's that they possess.
America is the land of arrogance and ignorance, and far from being the land of the free.

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Dear dajjal,

please do not forget the fact that many many people from the Middle East are well intergrated into the American society, have a good living standard because of their hard and honest work and might have right now to suffer from consequences since Sep 2001 - which is not fair.

we must try to change ur selves tyr to learne saying NO and even yes so as to have personnality that thing we lost since years

to tell people there r lot of horrors in the world is not the only way for making change
yes there r horrors but where is the solution or just ur real proposition of solution

i ll tell u what i did til now i try to stop buying every american procuct and i also try to convence my friends i succed till now that the first thing secondly i try to make all my friends and people i know proud of being arab.The thing i m sure i love the best is my identitymy arab dentity and i ll never loose this.

Egypt and each country in the Middle East would become autonomous, healing their economy and their military status to enable it to turn into a more peaceful country, relying on their own natural resources, without fear or intimidation from another.

A nighmare:

Egypt and most countries in the Middle East rely on US funds, in one way or another ...slaves they have become...power hungry are the top officials...hungry are the people....corruption abounds..undeniably true!

Rationale:

Is it logical that the whole entire world is standing numb to what is going on? Wouldn't it be logical to think that there is in fact a global conspiracy? and whenever the people try to resist they are simply wiped out...so I have no other rationale but :

It must be within the benefit of the world, somehow, to keep the US government doing whatever it's doing...from wars to rapes to stinking feeding the war victims'families after the crimes... to keep the 'goodness' going....and it will never stop!

Stab me with one hand, and feed me and my family with the other...!!!

There are NO solutions to what's going on people..if there was...Palestine would be freed by now...50 some years later..there are no stinking solutions!

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Originally posted by dajjal:
Yeah they are suffering in America because of the ignorance of the Americans and the way the American media has been portraying people from this region. And from the high number of attacks against people from this region in America it is quite clear that a large number of the Americans are ignorant as the stereotypes used to describe the typical American.

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I disagree. From my perspective, Arabs are generally accepted just as all other ethnic groups in the US. Of course you'll have the occasional attacks on Arabs by racist pigs but these are not widespread and dont happen anymore often than attacks on other ethnic groups. Arabs come to the US and go to college, open businesses, and become lawyers, doctors, etc..

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Originally posted by Monica:
[BA nighmare:

Egypt and most countries in the Middle East rely on US funds, in one way or another ...slaves they have become...power hungry are the top officials...hungry are the people....corruption abounds..undeniably true!
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Every one is responsible for conspiring with the US. And the Us has an interest in keeping the corruption abounding and it's a circle thus there's no solution..

Why do you think those officials are still there, when in reality they screwed up big time?? is that logical???

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Originally posted by neo*geo:
This is true but the US is not to blame. What has Saudi Arabia done for the Middle East with the billions they get from oil? What has Arafat done with his billons for the Palestinian people? What is Mubarak doing to help Egypt become less reliant on US funds and tourism?

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Saudi Arabia or else...all bought all all all...

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Monica, "Everybody knows" By Leonardo Cohen pretty much says it all, don't you think?

We can talk until we're blue in the face...vent as we wish..it will not change a thing..we can either go blow ourselves with 'dinomyte' ... to make a statement.. or sit and try to make sense out of a nonsense situation that is and will always exist and persist..or again..get on with our lives and try to pay our bills and survive with whatever we can...and life goes on..until someone blows us with a bomb or a gun..or even simpler until we get a heart attack or cancer or something..

On a more positive note...summer is almost everywhere...some people are going on holidays soon...and some are going to Egypt soon

Goodnite everyone..take care!

Monica

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Originally posted by katrina:
Monica, "Everybody knows" By Leonardo Cohen pretty much says it all, don't you think?

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...So it pretty much sums up the way the average Americans perceive arabs.[This message has been edited by dajjal (edited 22 May 2004).]

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That is the most absurd thing I've ever read, and I'm deeply offended by it. I shouldn't even bother to respond to such ignorance, but keep in mind - if it's at all possible for you to reason - that it was an AMERICAN soldier who reported the photos, and several AMERICAN media outlets who covered the abuses.