And peanut butter was not "invented", that's your ignorance speaking, however there were "300 uses of Peanuts" DISCOVERED, by G.W. Carver, which is quite an accomplishment for a formerly OPPRESSED slave descendant, so yes I'd say I'm proud of that. But all Black Americans are NOT the same complexion, that's the problem with your thought process. Some are as light as George Bush, and some are as dark as Wesley Snipes and all shades in between. We are proud of WHO WE ARE, not of our skin color that we have no control over, but of our heritage and the accomplisments we made, even after 400 years of oppression and racism that still prevails in this country. In fact, its African Americans in this country that are three times as likely to "emphathize" with Arabs who are just now beginning to experience what "we" have experienced all along. Many have turned to the African American community for support. A black person knows far to well what its like to be racially profiled. I guess the Arabs are discovering that now, huh?
http://www.freep.com/news/locway/deport11_20020111.htm

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Oh, and another thing if you are speaking about the Hamitic MYTH, once Black Americans learned to read the Bible for themselves, they knew that no where written did it say all Blacks should be slaves. Which is my point, people need to stop twisting the logic of religious text to justify immoral behavior. American slavery was for economical reasons not for religious reasons!

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American slavery was indeed for economic purposes but the moral justification came from the bible.

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Originally posted by homeylu:
Ausur, didn't their prophet muhammad marry a 6 year old girl named Aisha when he was 49 and consummated the marriage with sex by the time she was 9???? I heard they have a tradition of marrying girls after their first menstrual cycle.

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We're talking about a completely different time period. BTW, wasn't Joseph quite old when he married Mary, the mother of Jesus, who was just barely a teenager? There was nothing unusual about that kind of relationship in those times.

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I did hear that some of the Guld Arabs go to places in India and Pakistan and buy "top of the line virgins" that are still in pre-adolescent stage.

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People from every race and culture do this kind of thing. Americans go to southeast Asia and south America to have sex with chidren. There are people in Africa who think they can be cured of AIDS by having sex with virgins. There are sickos everywhere and they will find places where they can behave how they wish.

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I mean no one can take away that their are Christian ministers and priests involved in child molestation in America, but our government would in no way JUSTIFY these acts. I think the problem with places like Saudi, is they need to separate church from religion.

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I have yet to see anybody prove that pedophilia is legal in Saudi Arabia...

Kimo you get hung up on salvery and kept going on and on about it while you failed to answer the most impotant interesting part of "homely"'s posting, and who are you calling African Americans anyway...I know I'm not one...Be a stud and answer this ...

"didn't their prophet muhammad marry a 6 year old girl named Aisha when he was 49 and consummated the marriage with sex by the time she was 9???? I heard they have a tradition of marrying girls after their first menstrual cycle. So if their prophet did this type of stuff and this is who they look up to, then maybe that's how they justify some of their acts.[/QUOTE]

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Oh, and another thing if you are speaking about the Hamitic MYTH, once Black Americans learned to read the Bible for themselves, they knew that no where written did it say all Blacks should be slaves. Which is my point, people need to stop twisting the logic of religious text to justify immoral behavior. American slavery was for economical reasons not for religious reasons!

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Kimo you get hung up on salvery and kept going on and on about it while you failed to answer the most impotant interesting part of "homely"'s posting, and who are you calling African Americans anyway...I know I'm not one...Be a stud and answer this ...

[b]"didn't their prophet muhammad marry a 6 year old girl named Aisha when he was 49 and consummated the marriage with sex by the time she was 9???? I heard they have a tradition of marrying girls after their first menstrual cycle. So if their prophet did this type of stuff and this is who they look up to, then maybe that's how they justify some of their acts.

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Well I think I replied to that before. Anyway here we go again: Maybe that's true (haven't heard of it before), but so what that's what everyone of every religion did at that time: Marry young because they die young.

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Well I think I replied to that before. Anyway here we go again: Maybe that's true (haven't heard of it before), but so what that's what everyone of every religion did at that time: Marry young because they die young!

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I really could care less about the second part of your answer...let's focus on the first part.....where did you get that from....what are your resources....That's why I basically asked you again, because answers of "I think,I remember and may be" are not really valid in such serious topics...People die every day because of these beliefs, this is not "The Meal of the Day" T.V show. I never post anything on this board without resources /references/proofs/books/page numbers/chapters...where are yours???

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I really could care less about the second part of your answer...let's focus on the first part.....where did you get that from....what are your resources....That's why I basically asked you again, because answers of "I think,I remember and may be" are not really valid in such serious topics...People die every day because of these beliefs, this is not the Meal of the day T.V show. I never post anything on this board without resources /references/proofs/books/page numbers/chapters...where are yours???

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I couldn't care less about what you say anywhere!!!

Didn't I tell you toz feek.

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Anyway, why don't I hear any of you African Americans protesting slavery in hardcore black animist Africa. The practice of slavery in communities that are not even remotely Muslim is well documented, but you barely hear any protests against them. What? Are you ashamed that Blacks like you are practicing slavery? Well, you shouldn't because you have nothing in common with them except skin colour! And that's all I am saying, you shouldn't be ashamed of what people of your race do, just the same way as you shouldn't be proud that someone with a shade of skin pigmentation similar to yours "invented" peanut butter. Race is not something you choose, it should not confine you one way or another.

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I have yet to see anybody prove that pedophilia is legal in Saudi Arabia

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Amun AKA Neo*Geo (Yeah I know it's you, your blackplanet page, gave you away, lol)
Did you read the article I posted. The Royal family participates in this, do you think any government officials will "punish" them for these acts, who are you kidding? And what's your point bringing up the "sickos" in all aspects of society, did I dare say it wasn't? Did I not specifically state that it happens with Catholic Priests? Are you trying to argue that it's okay for the Saudi's to be pedophiles because "everyone else is doing it?" How do you sound Neo????? Are you sick? Will you defend R. Kelly, because Michael Jackson's doing it?? Give me a break NEO*GEO, I thought your logic was better than this. (Or are you just trying to debate me under a different name, because you know I understand how contradictory your logic is from other debates that you and I had) You make no sense.

The point is, no matter if its Catholic Priests, Saudi Pedophilias, or South Africans, the world will have to speak out against this type of behavior and not allow people to use religion to justify this. I don't give a damn what ethnic group in society is doing it.

BTW, there is no real scientific evidence that Mary and Joseph really existed, so we don't REALLY know their ages (remember those stories could just be jewish "folklore", isn't that what you said in another forum-did you forget?, I'll be happy to quote you on it" lol) but we do know about Muhammad and the 9 year old.

Just for the fun of it

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Ausur, why does Wally keep making new accounts?

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The Bible is right about many things but to take it literally or as unquestionable history is stretching its value. Remember that it was originally written by Jews and for Jews so there is bias and exaggerating on the part of the authors.

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And just because I can be a B*tch sometimes....from the AE thread, About your interests in AE

Originally posted by Neo*geo

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[/b] You can see my picture on www.blackplanet.com as well. My member page is godz_son81[/b]

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LMAO,
There is no opinion I respect less than that of a HYPOCRITE....

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And BTW those people practicing slavery in Sudan are ALL blacks. The masters are black and the slaves are black...
Anyway, why don't I hear any of you African Americans protesting slavery in hardcore black animist Africa. The practice of slavery in communities that are not even remotely Muslim is well documented, but you barely hear any protests against them. What? Are you ashamed that Blacks like you are practicing slavery? Well, you shouldn't because you have nothing in common with them except skin colour! And that's all I am saying, you shouldn't be ashamed of what people of your race do, just the same way as you shouldn't be proud that someone with a shade of skin pigmentation similar to yours "invented" peanut butter. Race is not something you choose, it should not confine you one way or another.

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Kimo_the_maniac, before you make serious and layperson remarks such as the ones above, you might want to do some thorough research first. The so called black slave owners are actually working under the auspices of Western coorporations to reap benefits of "cheap laber". Here is an excerpt from World Socialist website (formed by a group of independent lettered journalists): "Although there may be a superficial resemblance to the African slave trade of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, the driving forces behind this modern form of slavery are entirely new. The roots of today's slave trade are to be discovered in the way that capitalism has developed in Africa during the last few decades.

The conditions of extreme poverty in Sub-Saharan Africa have attracted transnational corporations (TNCs), which can profit from Africa's rich mineral resources and other primary products by exploiting the plentiful cheap labour needed to produce and process them. The TNCs are able to sell these products in Europe and America for many times more than they cost to produce. They are aided in this enterprise by the corrupt regimes in many African countries, which are often dominated by the military and kept in power thanks to the backing they receive from the West.

The disastrous impact of IMF policies on Sub-Saharan Africa is also a major factor leading to a resurgence of the traffic in child slaves. Many of the countries expend far more in debt repayments than they do on health and education, in spite of all the fanfare about “debt cancellation”.

There is also a thin layer of elite Africans who acquire unpaid servants to work in their houses. Countries in the front line of this trade include Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Côte d'Ivoire, Gabon, Nigeria and Togo. Traders say girls from Benin and Togo are particularly in demand by wealthy families in Lagos, in Nigeria, and in Libreville, in Gabon. Other children are taken from as far away as Banui in the Central Africa Republic. Children from Banui are said to be in high demand in Cameroon. In one instance, in July 1997, the Benin authorities found 400 children aboard a boat anchored in Cotonou harbour, the site of an historic slaving market. Benin police arrested five West Africans preparing to ship them to Gabon. The police said the children, some aged only eight, had been bought from families for the equivalent of about $30. The arrest of these particular slave traders is the exception, however, not the rule.

To supply the need for child slaves, traffickers pay the fares, including food for the children during their journey, as well as bribes to ensure the collaboration of border guards. They then recoup this money from the profits arising from the child's labour in their destination country. Often, the parents of those being sold are told their children may have the chance to become rich in another country. Once at their final destination, however, the children receive no money at all.

In case you were thinking this phenomenon was limited to "black Africans", think again!!!

Here's another eye opening excerpt from the same website:

"A Central Intelligence Agency report leaked to the New York Times describes a flourishing trade in slave labor that brings some 50,000 women and children into the United States every year to serve as prostitutes, domestic servants or bonded workers. The report estimates that the number of slave laborers imported into the US from around the world has grown rapidly over the past decade, and predicts their ranks will continue to increase.

The scale of human misery indicated in the report is difficult to quantify: women and children from Asia, Africa, Latin America and Eastern Europe lured to the US with promises of jobs and educational opportunities, only to be forced at gunpoint to work in brothels or sweatshops, or labor as domestics. Others, born into unspeakable poverty, are sold into bondage by their parents.

The report, entitled “International Trafficking in Women to the United States: a Contemporary Manifestation of Slavery,” reveals not only the growth of slavery alongside staggering levels of wealth for those at the top, but a political and legal system which is indifferent to the problem.

The very fact that the report had to be leaked to reach the light of day is indicative of this indifference. The agency study was completed last November and circulated within the government. It is not classified, but has never been released. According to the Times, which published an account of the report on April 2, the newspaper was provided a copy by a government official “who wanted the report's findings publicized.”

The spread of slave labor, estimated by the CIA to involve 700,000 to 2 million women and children a year, coincides with growing poverty and social inequality on a global scale. The US, in the midst of a record boom in profits and share values on Wall Street, is not exempt from this phenomenon.

That such conditions exist in the US is not a new revelation. Over the past five years several cases of groups of foreign workers living under conditions of bondage have been exposed. In 1995, 72 Thai clothing workers were found imprisoned in a Los Angeles sweat shop where they were forced to labor 22 hours a day for 62 cents an hour. Two years ago a slave-labor ring was discovered in the Jackson Heights section of Queens, New York. In all, 57 Mexican deaf mutes were forced to labor from dawn to midnight, selling $1 trinkets on the subways and at New York's airports.

But outside of some well-publicized statements from the Clinton administration deploring the international slave trade, and the establishment of a federal task force on the enslavement of women headed by Attorney General Janet Reno, virtually nothing has been done. The token character of the task force is indicated by the Times' description of its activities. It meets every two or three months and sponsors training seminars for law-enforcement personnel. Beyond this, the Justice Department has set up a “hot line” for victims, which is only staffed during weekday business hours.

The CIA report acknowledges that the government's efforts are fragmented and ineffectual. A number of federal agencies have jurisdiction, including the FBI, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), the Department of Labor and the State Department, but none of them consider prosecuting trafficking of women and children as a “desirable” assignment, because “investigating trafficking and slavery cases is arduous” and “unrewarding.”

The INS noted in an internal assessment last fall that agents had found 250 brothels in 26 cities that appeared to be holding trafficking victims. When such brothels are raided, according to the Times article, immigration officers generally move to deport the victims, while their captors are rarely prosecuted. In the few cases where traffickers have been convicted, the penalties have been light."

Yet another excerpt:

"There are “more slaves alive today than all the people stolen from Africa in the time of the transatlantic slave trade,”writes Kevin Bales. He estimates there are more than 27 million people “enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation” and the number is increasing. A feature of the new slavery is that slaves become disposable once the slaveholder has used them.

Although officially illegal in every country, a new form of slavery is arising because of globalisation, Bales explains. Transnational companies switch their production to subsidiaries and subcontractors in the developing world and “take advantage of slave labour to improve their bottom line and increase dividends to their shareholders”.

NEED I GO ON?...concerning your ridiculous argument that Black Americans should some how criticize "Black" slave masters and traders. You have to look at the root of problem, not just the people who are involved in it. Certainly, the conditions that have encouraged this evil, are not "African" inventions. Let's stick to the issue at hand about "Gulf arabs being sodomites". If you want to argue this, fine! But don't you blame Black Africans or African Americans for these views of Gulf Arabs! If Gulf Arabs have this reputation in Arabic speaking countries, it must be because of how the fellow citizens of the "victims" feel about they way they've been, and perhaps are still, treated by Gulf Arabs, be it in Asia or Africa.

Here are the websites I sited the above quotes from: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/apr2001/slav-a19.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/sep1999/slav-s09.shtml

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Let's stick to the issue at hand about "Gulf arabs being sodomites". If you want to argue this, fine! But don't you blame Black Africans or African Americans for these views of Gulf Arabs! If Gulf Arabs have this reputation in Arabic speaking countries, it must be because of the how fellow citizens of the "victims" feel about they way they've been, and perhaps are still, treated by Gulf Arabs, be it in Asia or Africa.

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Originally posted by homeylu:
Keimo, the "slavery" you speak of in "hardcore" Africa-whatever that means, is similar to the caste system in India, where people are born into it, it is not the same of being "forced" into accepting a culture/religion that is not your own, and I don't care if they are black or white that's doing it.

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Originally posted by Amun:
People from every race and culture do this kind of thing. Americans go to southeast Asia and south America to have sex with chidren. There are people in Africa who think they can be cured of AIDS by having sex with virgins. There are sickos everywhere and they will find places where they can behave how they wish.

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Look for this:
U.S. Crime Bill

In 1994, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act (Crime Bill) was signed into U.S. law. Under this law, it is illegal for a U.S. citizen to travel overseas with the intent to engage in sexual acts with a minor. Few Americans know this law exists. To be effective, it must be made known to the American public.

Yeah, not many Americans know about this law?

How about after Dateline, MSNBC, CNN, Today Show and many thousands of local newstations, local and national newspapers do exposes on this law since American business rely so heavily on the global economy. Not yet a hundred Americans have been prosecuted for this yet, but a nasty dentist from Ohio was profiled on Dateline to his extreme embarrasment.

Now do European countries have a similar law?

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Originally posted by Amun:
People from every race and culture do this kind of thing. Americans go to southeast Asia and south America to have sex with chidren. There are people in Africa who think they can be cured of AIDS by having sex with virgins. There are sickos everywhere and they will find places where they can behave how they wish.

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Look for this:
U.S. Crime Bill

In 1994, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act (Crime Bill) was signed into U.S. law. Under this law, it is illegal for a U.S. citizen to travel overseas with the intent to engage in sexual acts with a minor. Few Americans know this law exists. To be effective, it must be made known to the American public.

Yeah, not many Americans know about this law?

How about after Dateline, MSNBC, CNN, Today Show and many thousands of local newstations, local and national newspapers do exposes on this law since American business rely so heavily on the global economy. Not yet a hundred Americans have been prosecuted for this yet, but a nasty dentist from Ohio was profiled on Dateline to his extreme embarrasment.

Now do European countries have a similar law?

Now look to the left hand column of that weblink, thats right about the child porn stuff, USA and Germany has worked very hard over the last decade to pound the living **** out of the industry. Now who can do any better?

oh and by the way...

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Amun AKA Neo*Geo (Yeah I know it's you, your blackplanet page, gave you away, lol)

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Congrats on stating the obvious. As if I took great pains to hide my identity. You're about 4 months late with this discovery. Welcome to egyptsearch newbie. Most people have figured this out by the similar writing styles and opinions.

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Did you read the article I posted. The Royal family participates in this, do you think any government officials will "punish" them for these acts, who are you kidding?

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That's a shame and I'm not going to defend the Saudi government's human rights record(since it's pretty indefensible). As corrupt as the Saudi gov't is, it still hasn't been proven that pedophila is anything but taboo in Saudi culture. Are there pedophiles in Saudi Arabia? Without a doubt. Are Saudis generally pedophiles? No and that's the basis of my argument.

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Originally posted by homeylu:

The point is, no matter if its Catholic Priests, Saudi Pedophilias, or South Africans, the world will have to speak out against this type of behavior and not allow people to use religion to justify this. I don't give a damn what ethnic group in society is doing it.

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No disagreement here.

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Originally posted by homeylu:

BTW, there is no real scientific evidence that Mary and Joseph really existed, so we don't REALLY know their ages (remember those stories could just be jewish "folklore", isn't that what you said in another forum-did you forget?, I'll be happy to quote you on it" lol) but we do know about Muhammad and the 9 year old.

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Regardless of whether Mary and Jospeh existed or not, the point is(and you always miss the point) that that kind of relationship wasn't uncommon in the ancient middle east. I'm against judging people in ancient times by 21st century values. It's just unfair because times were too different. Just look at how much cultural change has happened in western society over the past 200 years. Less than 200 years ago it was normal for human beings to own other human beings in the West. Human nature remains the same throughout history but social norms change.

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There is no opinion I respect less than that of a HYPOCRITE....

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Originally posted by Carleen:
No Kimo, race isn't something we "choose". But when you consider how oppressed & maligned people of African descent have been (and still are), when we can achieve great things *in spite* of that, I think that's something to be proud of.

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Don't really care if Mohammed was a child molestor or not.

You know Ayazid posted this from another message board but has yet to comment on anything. I personally believe Ayazid posted this to start trouble on this board or a flame war. So let's hear from you Ayazaid.

You know I really don't dislike Arabs,nor Arabic people. Unlike other Egyptians,I won't sit around and kiss Arab ass. I guess you can say that's the Saidi in me through my great Aswani father's side.

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Americans go to southeast Asia and south America to have sex with chidren. There are people in Africa who think they can be cured of AIDS by having sex with virgins

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Where did you hear such a dumb thing! What facts have prompted you to say "there are people in Africa who think they can be cured of AIDS by having sex with virgins"? The same could probably be said about Americans, considering the spread of AIDS. Have you even been to much of Africa, aside from your trip to Egypt?
Spread of AIDS in Africa is more due to lack of adequate medical treatment compared to nations like the U.S., restricted accessibility to condoms for "every" community (particularly harder for rural communities), restricted accessibility to blood tests before sexual activity, and lack of proper funding for "awareness" programs and development of medicines, by Governments who should know better.
I would urge you to think critically or do some research before you make serious claims such as the ones I quoted above.

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Where did you hear such a dumb thing! What facts have prompted you to say "there are people in Africa who think they can be cured of AIDS by having sex with virgins"?

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"The myth that sex with a virgin is a cure for HIV/AIDS is one of many that make the fight against an epidemic that has struck 40 million people worldwide -- nearly two-thirds of them in sub-Saharan Africa -- even more difficult."
http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefresources/107036097535.htm

This 'thing' is dumb indeed but it's a reality for some. Be sure to do some fact checking next time you want to bash the message...

It should also be emphasized that in Senegal has one of the lowest AIDS rate in all of Africa. People there have a very low AIDS rate. I have actually been to Western Africa,and the atmosphere in Western Africa is much different than it's in Southern Africa. Africa's a big continent with lots of different people abound. What one African does in one country does not apply to the whole.

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Originally posted by Amun:
"The myth that sex with a virgin is a cure for HIV/AIDS is one of many that make the fight against an epidemic that has struck 40 million people worldwide -- nearly two-thirds of them in sub-Saharan Africa -- even more difficult."
http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefresources/107036097535.htm

This 'thing' is dumb indeed but it's a reality for some. Be sure to do some fact checking next time you want to bash the message...

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If for a moment that you think this author is someone who is an expert on African issues, think again. For instance, he states,

" But perhaps the biggest myth remains the belief that AIDS can be cured or that it always happens to someone else."

I would say this is a common myth even in Western nations!

Here is another one:

"The myths are very powerful but they believe them. They also think it’s a disease of their parents’ generation, that it is a white, foreign disease or that there are some kind of pills that can protect you.”

Isn't it a common belief in the West, that AIDS is of African Origin or that it is mainly an African problem when in fact, AIDS is very prevalent in their own societies?

If an uncle rapes his niece, we have to take the words of such a person as being sane?

Your statement of "generalizing" Africans as believing "The myth that sex with a virgin is a cure for HIV/AIDS", is just ridiculous. What is even more ridiculous, is to use some western journalist as an expert of African traditions. Sure there are myths regarding AIDS, but these aren't much different from those found in the West!
This is why I suggested that you do thorough research to find the roots of the problem, instead of relying on some "Reuters" journalist who probably has no idea of African culture, much less give you a broad picture of Africans. I already gave you examples for the reason AIDS spread in Africa. This notion of blaming African "myths" as the culprit for spread of AIDS, is just ridiculous. Any self-proclaimed expert who makes such foolish claims, should not show his/her face to peers for such a retarded and unfounded observation. "Myths" about AIDS exist everywhere, but the situation is worse in Africa, for reasons I have already pointed out!

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Originally posted by supercar:
If for a moment that you think this author is someone who is an expert on African issues, think again. For instance, he states,

[b]" But perhaps the biggest myth remains the belief that AIDS can be cured or that it always happens to someone else."

I would say this is a common myth even in Western nations!

Here is another one:

"The myths are very powerful but they believe them. They also think it’s a disease of their parents’ generation, that it is a white, foreign disease or that there are some kind of pills that can protect you.”

Isn't it a common belief in the West, that AIDS is of African Origin or that it is mainly an African problem when in fact, AIDS is very prevalent in their own societies?

If an uncle rapes his niece, we have to take the words of such a person as being sane?

Your statement of "generalizing" Africans as believing "The myth that sex with a virgin is a cure for HIV/AIDS", is just ridiculous. What is even more ridiculous, is to use some western journalist as an expert of African traditions. Sure there are myths regarding AIDS, but these aren't much different from those found in the West!
This is why I suggested that you do thorough research to find the roots of the problem, instead of relying on some "Reuters" journalist who probably has no idea of African culture, much less give you a broad picture of Africans. I already gave you examples for the reason AIDS spread in Africa. This notion of blaming African "myths" as the culprit for spread of AIDS, is just ridiculous. Any self-proclaimed expert who makes such foolish claims, should not show his/her face to peers for such a retarded and unfounded observation. "Myths" about AIDS exist everywhere, but the situation is worse in Africa, for reasons I have already pointed out!

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Why whenever you're proven wrong you cover your crap with more BS? Stop twisting the the words of others, people on this board are capable of reading you know.

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Why whenever you're proven wrong you cover your crap with more BS? Stop twisting the the words of others, people on this board are capable of reading you know.

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Who proved me wrong and how? With a reference, I am supposed to take wholeheartedly as fact? You are the one full of crap, always attacking people when you have nothing worthwhile to say. Instead of coming up with facts or well thought out statements to show me why I am wrong, you just start your usual childish name calling and nonsense. Obviously you are incapable of reading, to come to the conclusion that I have twisted someone's words!

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Originally posted by Amun:
"The myth that sex with a virgin is a cure for HIV/AIDS is one of many that make the fight against an epidemic that has struck 40 million people worldwide -- nearly two-thirds of them in sub-Saharan Africa -- even more difficult."
http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefresources/107036097535.htm

This 'thing' is dumb indeed but it's a reality for some. Be sure to do some fact checking next time you want to bash the message...

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Originally posted by Amun:
"The myth that sex with a virgin is a cure for HIV/AIDS is one of many that make the fight against an epidemic that has struck 40 million people worldwide -- nearly two-thirds of them in sub-Saharan Africa -- even more difficult."
http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefresources/107036097535.htm

This 'thing' is dumb indeed but it's a reality for some. Be sure to do some fact checking next time you want to bash the message...

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To add to that...go to the following and see for yourself.It happened,it still does and it makes me sick.
http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2002/april/virgin.htm
http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2002/april/rape.htm
http://www.speakout.org.za/about/child/child_baby_rape.html
http://www.suntimes.co.za/2001/12/09/insight/in01.asp
http://www.news24.com/Regional_Papers/Components/Category_Article_Text_Template/0,2430,433_1121366~E,00.html

Just dont eat before attempting to search...you might want to vomit!

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Originally posted by Natashiah:
Or if you want detailed info go to the following search engine www.aardvark.co.za type in "infant rape" but make sure your search is under africa....and you will know more then you ever wanted to know.

Just dont eat before attempting to search...you might want to vomit!

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I don't know about South African beliefs regarding the rape of infants, but to generalize Africans the way Amun did, is a very futile observation. When mentioning these things, it is best to be specific about who you are talking about. Simply say "there are Africans who believe in so and so" leaves the possibility that it could be Africans from anywhere in the continent. That is just erroneous! Africa is a continent for God sake. It would be like lumping Canadians, Mexicans, and Americans into one big country with no variation in cultures or attitudes! In the same token, Gulf Arabs would just be "Asians". Enough said.

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Originally posted by supercar:
I don't know about South African beliefs regarding the rape of infants, but to generalize Africans the way Amun did, is a very futile observation. When mentioning these things, it is best to be specific about who you are talking about. Simply say "there are Africans who believe in so and so" leaves the possibility that it could be Africans from anywhere in the continent. That is just erroneous! Africa is a continent for God sake. It would be like lumping Canadians, Mexicans, and Americans into one big country with no variation in cultures or attitudes! In the same token, Gulf Arabs would just be "Asians". Enough said.

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Originally posted by supercar:
Instead of coming up with facts or well thought out statements to show me why I am wrong

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What is the point if you will just change what I say? Exactly, no point.
You have been proven a hypocrite several times already, why don't you just give it up?

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Originally posted by supercar:
Who proved me wrong and how? With a reference, I am supposed to take wholeheartedly as fact?

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Do a google search on "Aids" "Africa" and "Myths". Hundreds of articles have been written on this from Western and African sources. You are looking foolish by not backing away from your original statement. My original statement was that there are people in Africa who believe in this myth not that Africans in general believe this crap...

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Originally posted by Natashiah:

Well also you cannot say South African beliefs regarding infant rape...because not all South Africans are completelly insane and uneducated.South Africa is one the most developed countries in Africa...but we have problems you can only dream of...so can you imagine whats going on in west and east Africa? Those peoples believes are...well I dont know...kind of sick I suppose.Because they still have these people worshiping ancestors and spirits etc.Same here...you cannot judge a person by his religion...but some are just...insane. Its basicly the uneducated people coming from rural areas...but there are still some educated nutcases that still believe in witch doctors etc. who gives them these **** solutions.Yep you cannot generalise but you will be suprised what people believe.Thats not all...we really have a rainbow nation...all colors and cultures...which means even more different believes...some will scare the hell out of you.

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For the record you are the one who said it is true about South Africans, the belief that AIDS can be cured by having sex with young virgins. You have even attempted to provide me with more references and a search engine. Don't put words in my mouth! In fact, I was trying to refute such a notion, until you tried to back up Amun's claims.

Here are your very own words:

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Posted by Natashiah:
Sorry for those who do not believe the above mentioned...IT IS THE TRUTH!!! I live in South Africa and here babies are being raped with the believe that they will be cured from Aids.Some of these infants are hurt so badly that their intestines hangs between their legs.Yes disgusting,grusome,violent etc...but it is the truth!!!In the rural arease some of the tribes xhosa,zulu etc. girls are being tested to see if they are still virgins and they get a certificate ....which makes them even bigger targets!!!Honestly I dont want to read the newspapers or watch TV anymore because it makes me sick to my stomach!!The sad part is these perpertraters dont get a harsh enough punishment.

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Posted by dajjal supreme:
What is the point if you will just change what I say? Exactly, no point.
You have been proven a hypocrite several times already, why don't you just give it up?

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I hope you can read your own quote above, so as to not imply that I have twisted your words. I am not going to give up my arguments simply because you don’t have the audacity to come up with well thought out arguments to refute me or anyone else for that matter. You just go on with childish claims that have no bearing with what is being discussed.

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Posted by Amun:
Do a google search on "Aids" "Africa" and "Myths". Hundreds of articles have been written on this from Western and African sources. You are looking foolish by not backing away from your original statement. My original statement was that there are people in Africa who believe in this myth not that Africans in general believe this crap...

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Let us go back to your original statement Amun:

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Originally posted by Amun:
People from every race and culture do this kind of thing. Americans go to southeast Asia and south America to have sex with chidren. There are people in Africa who think they can be cured of AIDS by having sex with virgins. There are sickos everywhere and they will find places where they can behave how they wish.

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I am not going to back away from my original statement, because I said that you were wrong for saying that Africans had such myths, as you described above. I said that your claim, leaves the possibility for one to conclude that Africans form anywhere in the continent believe in such crap, as you put it. You said , as pointed out above, that there are “people in Africa who think…” Why not be specific, which people are you talking about? You are the one who is looking foolish for trying to stick with your in-discriminatory description of Africans. Had you been specific, that would have made things much clearer. Africans apply to the people of the African continent. You are just lumping everyone into one big country, as if there are no variations in culture or traditions. If Canadians had some weird myth, and I simply stated that there are people in America who believed in so and so myth. The first reaction by U.S. citizens would be who am I referring to, because they aren’t familiar with such a myth (which really happens to be prevalent in Canada). And even for South Africans, as Natashiah later on back tracked from her initial attempts to associate them with the myths, not all had such a belief! It is not like it is a tradition, but rather some uneducated observation by people who have not fully grasp the epidemic proportions of AIDS growth. It is likely that these people, for the most part, have not accessed middle education or higher education. Even still, myths will occur about AIDS, just as they do in the more affluent nations.

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Originally posted by supercar:
For the record you are the one who said it is true about South Africans, the belief that AIDS can be cured by having sex with young virgins. You have even attempted to provide me with more references and a search engine. Don't put words in my mouth! In fact, I was trying to refute such a notion, until you tried to back up Amun's claims.

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Let me rephrase that...some South Africans think raping infants can cure Aids...!Sorry for the misunderstanding.But yes it is true...but its some south africans...not all of them.

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Originally posted by supercar:
I am not going to back away from my original statement, because I said that you were wrong for saying that Africans had such myths, as you described above. I said that your claim, leaves the possibility for one to conclude that Africans form anywhere in the continent believe in such crap, as you put it.

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There is a strong possibility that this belief can be found in other parts of Africa since it has also appeared in places outside Africa. The reason South Africa is cited most in discussions about infant rape is because it happens so much there. Anyone who can read and comprehend knows that I certainly wasn't saying all Africans engage in that kind of behavior.

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Originally posted by supercar:

Africans apply to the people of the African continent. You are just lumping everyone into one big country, as if there are no variations in culture or traditions.

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Posted by Amun:
There is a strong possibility that this belief can be found in other parts of Africa since it has also appeared in places outside Africa. The reason South Africa is cited most in discussions about infant rape is because it happens so much there. Anyone who can read and comprehend knows that I certainly wasn't saying all Africans engage in that kind of behavior.

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Name other African countries in Western Africa, Central or Northern Africa who have the same belief as you stated. Here you are making generalizations again, only to back track when brought to light. I have yet to hear that any of the areas I mentioned have infant rapes, just so people can protect themselves from AIDS. This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! Obviously you have a hard time reading. It shows through your writing. How can you make such an unspecified description in your statement and expect the layperson, particularly people who don't know much about Africa or its people much less have been to the continent, to just come to the conclusion that you weren't referring to all Africans. My point was that, your unspecified description could mean that, people from "anywhere" in Africa harbor such belief. This would certainly be incorrect. You have the layperson guessing which parts of Africa have this belief. Some might just believe that it is widespread throughout the entire continent, which is also another incorrect observation. My example using Canada, has obviously been lost on you! You only rely on newspapers to acquire your knowledge about Africans. Have you gone to various African nation states, and stay long enough to figure out their beliefs or traditions? Because if you have, I doubt you would make a comment like the one you did.

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Originally posted by Amun:
All I did was make a comment about a myth that some Africans believe in. It's wasn't a loaded statement and it isn't false. I certainly wasn't trying to be political.

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Congrats on stating the obvious. As if I took great pains to hide my identity. You're about 4 months late with this discovery. Welcome to egyptsearch newbie. Most people have figured this out by the similar writing styles and opinions

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Neo, Amun, whoever you come back as, you are funny. I've only been on ES 3 months and even I know, you can have your forgotten password e-mailed to you, you mean and "oldie" like yourself was not aware of this. The personalities ARE NOT the same, that's the reason I called you out.

Amun-use the Bible to argue a point
Neo-The Bible can't be used to make an argument

Where's the similarity? You are always accusing me of being the same person as Wally because our "style" is the same, but yet you seem to have your own alter ego. On this thread you're antagonizing Ausar's statements, on AE, you follow him around agreeing with his every word as if it's your lifeline, you're hilarious.

But for the record, there is nothing in the Bible that claims these young ages you speak of. If one were to take the Bible literally, you would think people were marrying at 376 years old and still having kids. That's the point-it can't be taken literally, no one lives that long!!

Yet there are Islamic fundamentalist that try to model their lives after verses written 2,000 years ago, some of those countries model the state laws based on the Islamic faith- like polygamy, for instance. Wearing the veil, blah, blah, blah, when you question them on something the first thing they say is, it's in the Koran. Well, if they "molest" a child, some extremists may use this to justify his acts by claiming its in the koran, the prophet did it. THAT"S MY POINT!!! GET IT???????

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Originally posted by kimo_the_maniac:
Belive it or not but the age of marriage in old times was very low. Does that mean that should be condoned now? No, but it means there is nothing wrong with people marrying when they were 14 in the middle ages, after all what was their age expectancy?

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Kimo the Meniac ...Along with this thread I really tried hard to avoid talking about Aisha...but here...you brought it up to yourself....for every one else, the following are the roots of enjoying children in the Arab world...

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áÇ íÌæÒ æØÁ ÇáÒæÌÉ ÞÈá ÅßãÇá ÊÓÚ Óäíä ¡ ÏæÇãÇ ßÇä ÇáäßÇÍ Ãæ ãäÞØÚÇ ¡ æ ÃãÇ ÓÇÆÑ ÇáÇÓÊãÊÇÚÇÊ ßÇááãÓ ÈÔåæÉ æ ÇáÖã æ ÇáÊÝÎíÐ ÝáÇ ÈÃÓ ÈåÇ ÍÊì Ýì ÇáÑÖíÚÉ ¡ æ áæ æØÃåÇ ÞÈá ÇáÊÓÚ æ áã íÝÖåÇ áã íÊÑÊÈ Úáíå ÔìþÁ ÛíÑ ÇáÇËã Úáì ÇáÇÞæì ¡ æ Åä ÃÝÖÇåÇ ÈÃä ÌÚá ãÓáßì ÇáÈæá æ ÇáÍíÖ æÇÍÏÇ Ãæ ãÓáßì ÇáÍíÖ æ ÇáÛÇÆØ æÇÍÏÇ ÍÑã Úáíå æØÄåÇ ÃÈÏÇ áßä Úáì ÇáÇÍæØ Ýì ÇáÕæÑÉ ÇáËÇäíÉ ¡ æ Úáì Ãí ÍÇá áã ÊÎÑÌ Úä ÒæÌíÊå Úáì ÇáÇÞæì ¡ ÝíÌÑí ÚáíåÇ ÃÍßÇãåÇ ãä ÇáÊæÇÑË æ ÍÑãÉ ÇáÎÇãÓÉ æ ÍÑãÉ ÃÎÊåÇ ãÚåÇ æ ÛíÑåÇ ¡ æ íÌÈ Úáíå äÝÞÊåÇ ãÇÏÇãÊ ÍíÉ æ Åä ØáÞåÇ Èá æ Åä ÊÒæÌÊ ÈÚÏ ÇáØáÇÞ Úáì ÇáÇÍæØ ¡ Èá áÇ íÎáæ ãä ÞæÉ ¡ æ íÌÈ Úáíå ÏíÉ ÇáÇÝÖÇÁ ¡ æ åì ÏíÉ ÇáäÝÓ ¡ ÝÅÐÇ ßÇäÊ ÍÑÉ ÝáåÇ äÕÝ ÏíÉ ÇáÑÌá ãÖÇÝÇ Åáì ÇáãåÑ ÇáÐí ÇÓÊÍÞÊå ÈÇáÚÞÏ æ ÇáÏÎæá ¡ æ áæ ÏÎá ÈÒæÌÊå ÈÚÏ ÅßãÇá ÇáÊÓÚ ÝÃÝÖÇåÇ áã ÊÍÑã Úáíå æ áã ÊËÈÊ ÇáÏíÉ ¡ æ áßä ÇáÇÍæØ ÇáÇäÝÇÞ ÚáíåÇ ãÇÏÇãÊ ÍíÉ æ Åä ßÇä ÇáÇÞæì ÚÏã ÇáæÌæÈ .
ÊÍÑíÑ ÇáæÓíáÉ ááÅãÇã áÑæÍ Çááå ÇáãæÓæí ÇáÎãíäí .. ßÊÇÈ ÇáäßÇÍ .. ßÊÇÈ ÇáäßÇÍ ãÓÃáÉ 12 .
http://www.ansar.org/arabic/radee3ah.htm
http://www.al-shia.com/html/ara/books/tahrir/tahrir25.htm#a4

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ãÍãÏ íáÈÓ ãÑØ ÚÇÆÔÉ æåæ ãÖØÌÚ ßÇÔÝÇ ÝÎÐíå

þÍÏËäÇ þ þíÍíì Èä íÍíì þ þæíÍíì Èä ÃíæÈ þ þæÞÊíÈÉ þ þæÇÈä ÍÌÑ þ þÞÇá þ þíÍíì Èä íÍíì þ þÃÎÈÑäÇ þ þæ ÞÇá þ þÇáÂÎÑæä þ þÍÏËäÇ þ þÅÓãÚíá íÚäæä ÇÈä ÌÚÝÑ þ þÚä þ þãÍãÏ Èä ÃÈí ÍÑãáÉ þ þÚä þ þÚØÇÁ þ þæÓáíãÇä ÇÈäí íÓÇÑ þ þæÃÈí ÓáãÉ Èä ÚÈÏ ÇáÑÍãä þ þÃä þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÞÇáÊ þþßÇä ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þãÖØÌÚÇ Ýí ÈíÊí ßÇÔÝÇ Úä ÝÎÐíå þ þÃæ ÓÇÞíå þ þÝÇÓÊÃÐä þ þÃÈæ ÈßÑ þ þÝÃÐä áå æåæ Úáì Êáß ÇáÍÇá ÝÊÍÏË Ëã ÇÓÊÃÐä þ þÚãÑ þ þÝÃÐä áå æåæ ßÐáß ÝÊÍÏË Ëã ÇÓÊÃÐä þ þÚËãÇä þ þÝÌáÓ ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þæÓæì ËíÇÈå þ þÞÇá þ þãÍãÏ þ þæáÇ ÃÞæá Ðáß Ýí íæã æÇÍÏ þ þÝÏÎá ÝÊÍÏË ÝáãÇ ÎÑÌ ÞÇáÊ þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÏÎá þ þÃÈæ ÈßÑ þ þÝáã þ þÊåÊÔ þ þáå æáã þ þÊÈÇáå þ þËã ÏÎá þ þÚãÑ þ þÝáã þ þÊåÊÔ þ þáå æáã þ þÊÈÇáå þ þËã ÏÎá þ þÚËãÇä þ þÝÌáÓÊ æÓæíÊ ËíÇÈß ÝÞÇá þ þÃáÇ ÃÓÊÍí ãä ÑÌá ÊÓÊÍí ãäå ÇáãáÇÆßÉ.

þÍÏËäÇ þ þÚÈÏ Çáãáß Èä ÔÚíÈ Èä ÇááíË Èä ÓÚÏ þ þÍÏËäí þ þÃÈí þ þÚä þ þÌÏí þ þÍÏËäí þ þÚÞíá Èä ÎÇáÏ þ þÚä þ þÇÈä ÔåÇÈ þ þÚä þ þíÍíì Èä ÓÚíÏ Èä ÇáÚÇÕ þ þÃä þ þÓÚíÏ Èä ÇáÚÇÕ þ þÃÎÈÑå þ þÃä þ þÚÇÆÔÉ ÒæÌ ÇáäÈí þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þæÚËãÇä þ þÍÏËÇå þþÃä þ þÃÈÇ ÈßÑ þ þÇÓÊÃÐä Úáì ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þæåæ ãÖØÌÚ Úáì ÝÑÇÔå áÇÈÓ þ þãÑØ þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÝÃÐä þ þáÃÈí ÈßÑ þ þæåæ ßÐáß ÝÞÖì Åáíå ÍÇÌÊå Ëã ÇäÕÑÝ Ëã ÇÓÊÃÐä þ þÚãÑ þ þÝÃÐä áå æåæ Úáì Êáß ÇáÍÇá ÝÞÖì Åáíå ÍÇÌÊå Ëã ÇäÕÑÝ ÞÇá þ þÚËãÇä þ þËã ÇÓÊÃÐäÊ Úáíå ÝÌáÓ æÞÇá þ þáÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÇÌãÚí Úáíß ËíÇÈß ÝÞÖíÊ Åáíå ÍÇÌÊí Ëã ÇäÕÑÝÊ ÝÞÇáÊ þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þíÇ ÑÓæá Çááå ãÇáí áã ÃÑß þ þÝÒÚÊ þ þáÃÈí ÈßÑ þ þæÚãÑ þ þÑÖí Çááå ÚäåãÇ þ þßãÇ þ þÝÒÚÊ þ þáÚËãÇä þ þÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þÅä þ þÚËãÇä þ þÑÌá Ííí æÅäí ÎÔíÊ Åä ÃÐäÊ áå Úáì Êáß ÇáÍÇá Ãä áÇ íÈáÛ Åáí Ýí ÍÇÌÊå.

ÕÍíÍ ãÓáã .. ßÊÇÈ ÝÖÇÆá ÇáÕÍÇÈÉ .. ÈÇÈ ãä ÝÖÇÆá ÚËãÇä Èä ÚÝÇä ÑÖí Çááå Úäå
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=1&Rec=5672
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=4415&doc=1

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íÃÊíå ÇáæÍí æåæ Ýí ËæÈ ÚÇÆÔÉ

þÍÏËäÇ þ þÅÓãÇÚíá þ þÞÇá ÍÏËäí þ þÃÎí þ þÚä þ þÓáíãÇä þ þÚä þ þåÔÇã Èä ÚÑæÉ þ þÚä þ þÃÈíå þ þÚä þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÑÖí Çááå ÚäåÇ þÃä äÓÇÁ ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þßä ÍÒÈíä ÝÍÒÈ Ýíå þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þæÍÝÕÉ þ þæÕÝíÉ þ þæÓæÏÉ þ þæÇáÍÒÈ ÇáÂÎÑ þ þÃã ÓáãÉ þ þæÓÇÆÑ äÓÇÁ ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þæßÇä ÇáãÓáãæä ÞÏ ÚáãæÇ ÍÈ ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÝÅÐÇ ßÇäÊ ÚäÏ ÃÍÏåã åÏíÉ íÑíÏ Ãä íåÏíåÇ Åáì ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þÃÎÑåÇ ÍÊì ÅÐÇ ßÇä ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þÝí ÈíÊ þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÈÚË ÕÇÍÈ ÇáåÏíÉ ÈåÇ Åáì ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þÝí ÈíÊ þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÝßáã ÍÒÈ þ þÃã ÓáãÉ þ þÝÞáä áåÇ ßáãí ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þíßáã ÇáäÇÓ ÝíÞæá ãä ÃÑÇÏ Ãä íåÏí Åáì ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þåÏíÉ ÝáíåÏå Åáíå ÍíË ßÇä ãä ÈíæÊ äÓÇÆå ÝßáãÊå þ þÃã ÓáãÉ þ þÈãÇ Þáä Ýáã íÞá áåÇ ÔíÆÇ ÝÓÃáäåÇ ÝÞÇáÊ ãÇ ÞÇá áí ÔíÆÇ ÝÞáä áåÇ Ýßáãíå ÞÇáÊ ÝßáãÊå Ííä ÏÇÑ ÅáíåÇ ÃíÖÇ Ýáã íÞá áåÇ ÔíÆÇ ÝÓÃáäåÇ ÝÞÇáÊ ãÇ ÞÇá áí ÔíÆÇ ÝÞáä áåÇ ßáãíå ÍÊì íßáãß ÝÏÇÑ ÅáíåÇ ÝßáãÊå ÝÞÇá áåÇ þ þáÇ ÊÄÐíäí Ýí þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÝÅä ÇáæÍí áã íÃÊäí æÃäÇ Ýí ËæÈ ÇãÑÃÉ ÅáÇ þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÞÇáÊ ÝÞÇáÊ ÃÊæÈ Åáì Çááå ãä ÃÐÇß íÇ ÑÓæá Çááå Ëã Åäåä ÏÚæä þ þÝÇØãÉ ÈäÊ ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þÝÃÑÓáÊ Åáì ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þÊÞæá Åä äÓÇÁß íäÔÏäß Çááå ÇáÚÏá Ýí ÈäÊ þ þÃÈí ÈßÑ þ þÝßáãÊå ÝÞÇá íÇ ÈäíÉ ÃáÇ ÊÍÈíä ãÇ ÃÍÈ ÞÇáÊ Èáì ÝÑÌÚÊ Åáíåä ÝÃÎÈÑÊåä ÝÞáä ÇÑÌÚí Åáíå ÝÃÈÊ Ãä ÊÑÌÚ ÝÃÑÓáä þ þÒíäÈ ÈäÊ ÌÍÔ þ þÝÃÊÊå ÝÃÛáÙÊ æÞÇáÊ Åä äÓÇÁß íäÔÏäß Çááå ÇáÚÏá Ýí ÈäÊ ÇÈä þ þÃÈí ÞÍÇÝÉ þ þÝÑÝÚÊ ÕæÊåÇ ÍÊì ÊäÇæáÊ þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þæåí ÞÇÚÏÉ ÝÓÈÊåÇ ÍÊì Åä ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þáíäÙÑ Åáì þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þåá Êßáã ÞÇá ÝÊßáãÊ þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÊÑÏ Úáì þ þÒíäÈ þ þÍÊì ÃÓßÊÊåÇ ÞÇáÊ ÝäÙÑ ÇáäÈí þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þÅáì þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þæÞÇá ÅäåÇ ÈäÊ þ þÃÈí ÈßÑ

ÕÍíÍ ÇáÈÎÇÑí .. ßÊÇÈ ÇáåÈÉ æ ÝÖáåÇ æ ÇáÊÍÑíÖ ÚáíåÇ .. ÈÇÈ ãä ÃåÏì Åáì ÕÇÍÈå æ ÊÍÑì ÈÚÖ äÓÇÆå Ïæä ÈÚÖ
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=2393&doc=0

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ãÍãÏ Ýí áÍÇÝ ÚÇÆÔÉ

þÍÏËäÇ þ þÚÈÏ Çááå Èä ÚÈÏ ÇáæåÇÈ þ þÍÏËäÇ þ þÍãÇÏ þ þÍÏËäÇ þ þåÔÇã þ þÚä þ þÃÈíå þ þÞÇá þþßÇä ÇáäÇÓ íÊÍÑæä ÈåÏÇíÇåã íæã þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÞÇáÊ þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÝÇÌÊãÚ ÕæÇÍÈí Åáì þ þÃã ÓáãÉ þ þÝÞáä íÇ þ þÃã ÓáãÉ þ þæÇááå Åä ÇáäÇÓ íÊÍÑæä ÈåÏÇíÇåã íæã þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þæÅäÇ äÑíÏ ÇáÎíÑ ßãÇ ÊÑíÏå þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÝãÑí ÑÓæá Çááå þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þÃä íÃãÑ ÇáäÇÓ Ãä íåÏæÇ Åáíå ÍíË ãÇ ßÇä Ãæ ÍíË ãÇ ÏÇÑ ÞÇáÊ ÝÐßÑÊ Ðáß þ þÃã ÓáãÉ þ þááäÈí þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þÞÇáÊ ÝÃÚÑÖ Úäí ÝáãÇ ÚÇÏ Åáí ÐßÑÊ áå ÐÇß ÝÃÚÑÖ Úäí ÝáãÇ ßÇä Ýí ÇáËÇáËÉ ÐßÑÊ áå ÝÞÇá þ þíÇ þ þÃã ÓáãÉ þ þáÇ ÊÄÐíäí Ýí þ þÚÇÆÔÉ þ þÝÅäå æÇááå ãÇ äÒá Úáí ÇáæÍí æÃäÇ Ýí áÍÇÝ ÇãÑÃÉ ãäßä ÛíÑåÇ.

ÕÍíÍ ÇáÈÎÇÑí .. ßÊÇÈ ÇáãäÇÞÈ .. ÝÖá ÚÇÆÔÉ ÑÖí Çááå ÚäåÇ
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=0&Rec=5672

Enough for now....my hands are tired...

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Originally posted by homeylu:
Supercar, you are debating with Neo*geo, enough said.

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Originally posted by homeylu:

Amun-use the Bible to argue a point
Neo-The Bible can't be used to make an argument

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It's a shame you have to lie to prove your point. I never said the bible couldn't be used to make an argument. Here's my exact statement:

"The Bible is right about many things but to take it literally or as unquestionable history is stretching its value."

Keeping things in context, I recognized that the bible is inaccurate on many things, however I did not say it couldn't be used in an argument. I believe the bible has some historical value. Don't make a fool of yourself trying to out-wit me.

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Originally posted by homeylu:

On this thread you're antagonizing Ausar's statements, on AE, you follow him around agreeing with his every word as if it's your lifeline, you're hilarious.

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Ausar has been aware that I use two names for quite a while. We talk outside of these forums. I stand by what I said about generalizations. As a black American I deal with enough generalizations and stereotypes and I refuse to treat others the same way.

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Originally posted by supercar:
You may not be sensitive to your comments, because in your mind Africans are just one big family with no cultural variations, values or traditions.

How are you going to assume something like that? I recognize that Africa is a large continent with many nations. I don't see how you could get that much from the simple comment that I made...

When approaching African issues, it is best not to use the mentality that it is one big country with no cultural variation. This is a continent we are talking about!

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Your whole argument is deeply flawed because you have yet to seperate indivuals from entire ethnic groups or nations. Nations have borders, individuals don't. They migrate and bring both good and bad behavior with them. Hence, it can and does happen outside of South Africa, and in Europe, and in Asia. Maybe I used the wrong word. Instead of saying some "people" in Africa I should have said some "individuals" in Africa to be more concise. Either way, you seem to be the only person making generalizations and an ass out of yourself trying not to admit that you were wrong.

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Originally posted by Amun:
Your whole argument is deeply flawed because you have yet to seperate indivuals from entire ethnic groups or nations. Nations have borders, individuals don't. They migrate and bring both good and bad behavior with them. Hence, it can and does happen outside of South Africa, and in Europe, and in Asia. Maybe I used the wrong word. Instead of saying some "people" in Africa I should have said some "individuals" in Africa to be more concise. Either way, you seem to be the only person making generalizations and an ass out of yourself trying not to admit that you were wrong.

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You not only make stupid comments, but you also keep on making an ass out of yourself by repeating the same senseless comments. I am an individual, and I don't keep my silence simply because other people have failed to point out what I saw in your senseless comment. Hek, if every person thought like every other person(s) all the time, we wouldn't have people we call "inventors". Should we say that these gifted people are stupid, because they saw something others failed to see, in order to be able to come up with a working invention? This seems to be your retarded way of thinking. Just because I had the audacity to point out your error, you want to call me names, instead of dealing with the issue at hand. This is what I expect of somebody of your intelligence level! I am not going to admit to being wrong, when in fact I am right about what I said concerning you thoughtless comment. Throwing stupid names at me, isn't going to change my mind. Your way of lumping African people into one group is just ridiculous. It shows your utter ignorance and indifference when it comes to people of Africa. First you say "some people in Africa", then you speak of "individuals" within and outside of Africa. In that case, why did you single out Africans? Let me guess, it is because those "individual Africans" go to Europe and America, and elsewhere. Just ridiculous! Why don't you come out of your shell, and admit that you made an error in the way you presented your comment. But again, such rational thinking evades you!

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Originally posted by supercar:

You not only make stupid comments, but you also keep on making an ass out of yourself by repeating the same senseless comments. I am an individual, and I don't keep my silence simply because other people have failed to point out what I saw in your senseless comment. Hek, if every person thought like every other person(s) all the time, we wouldn't have people we call "inventors". Should we say that these gifted people are stupid, because they saw something others failed to see, in order to be able to come up with a working invention? This seems to be your retarded way of thinking. Just because I had the audacity to point out your error, you want to call me names, instead of dealing with the issue at hand. This is what I expect of somebody of your intelligence level! I am not going to admit to being wrong, when in fact I am right about what I said concerning you thoughtless comment. Throwing stupid names at me, isn't going to change my mind. Your way of lumping African people into one group is just ridiculous. It shows your utter ignorance and indifference when it comes to people of Africa.

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Another pointless rant which shows how hopeless you are as an individual.

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Originally posted by supercar:

Why don't you come out of your shell, and admit that you made an error in the way you presented your comment. But again, such rational thinking evades you!

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Let's see. Did I not admit that I may have used the wrong wording?

"Maybe I used the wrong word. Instead of saying some "people" in Africa I should have said some "individuals" in Africa to be more concise."

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Originally posted by Amun:
Let's see. Did I not admit that I may have used the wrong wording?

"Maybe I used the wrong word. Instead of saying some "people" in Africa I should have said some "individuals" in Africa to be more concise."

Unlike you I can admit to my mistakes and move on...

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Originally posted by supercar:
Here you go again, claiming to be what you aren't. Knowing fully well, that I am right about your thoughtless comment, all you can say is that I am ranting. You make a donkey look far brighter, when it comes to intelligence. Just hopeless!

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Originally posted by dajjal supreme:
Super car this is the nth person to indicate you're an idiot. I told you a while back that you were a confused individual, numerous other members implied so as well, and Amun won't be the last person to point out your an idiot as long as you keep posting.
Just pack up your hodgepodge array of 'facts' and pay a visit to the doctor.
Honestly it's like you won't believe you are a fool even if god himself descended to earth to personally tell you he created you as an idiot.

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